Dolphin 6.2

[fjern]

Any hints on when to expect the Dolphin professional 6.2 release?
I am planning to use the wine support for launching an application in
the Apple world, and therefore the timing is very interresting.
regards
Soren

[gsa]

Sorry, some new about Dolphin 6.2, about time frame, new features,etc?

Thanks.

[Andy Bower]

Hi,

> Sorry, some new about Dolphin 6.2, about time frame, new features,etc?

The beta for D6.2 has been delayed (again) I'm afraid. We had hoped to
be able to get a release out last December but various circumstances
meant that this was not to be. I would hope that we can now aim for a
summer release, say June/July.

Features are as before:

* Remote/Shared STS repositories

* STS Administrator tool making it easier to connect with repositories
and backup etc.

* New easier to use property inspector

* All D6.1 bug fixes etc.

Best regards

Andy Bower

[fjern]

Good News :-)

[fjern]

Good News :-)
Den 06-04-2012 18:26, Andy Bower skrev:

[Udo Schneider]

I know XMas is over - I still have two wishes though: :-)

* Bring back IPDolphin.dll to allow COM in-proc Development
* A way to (optionally?) execute Smalltalk Code right on startup.
Currently the VM/Image is only started after the first call to
DllGetClassObject().

CU,

Udo

[Andreas Wacknitz]

I would like to have an immediate D6.1 release with what is available now (like eg. bug fixes and method spies).

While remote/shared STS repositories sound really nice but I fear that
these features are too late - the Dolphin community seems to be almost
vanished nowadays.

I still prefer Dolphin Smalltalk to other dialects but convincing people to products that didn't have any real release for more than 4 years is really hard. Replacing missed releases by new ones (like 6.1 -> 6.2) is also not very promising...

A later release with the STS enhancements might be nice to re-vitalize the Dolphin community, though.

Best regards
Andreas

[Friedrich Dominicus]

Andreas Wacknitz <A.Wac...@gmx.de> writes:

>
> While remote/shared STS repositories sound really nice but I fear that
> these features are too late - the Dolphin community seems to be almost
> vanished nowadays.

Well I'm using it and as long as it runs I'll use it. I once posted it
would be nice beeing able to access all of the .NET stuff, but that's
just because I'm lazy ;-(

>
> I still prefer Dolphin Smalltalk to other dialects but convincing
> people to products that didn't have any real release for more than 4
> years is really hard. Replacing missed releases by new ones (like 6.1
> -> 6.2) is also not very promising...

No it is not: Visual Basic application our out there in the tens of
thousands and there is NO Release since how long 5-7 years. And not even
bug-fixes. I do like Dolphin quite much and am using it. I'd prefer any
Dolphin like Smalltalk on Linux either but it's not there.

Dolphin just has one problem it is not C#, VB.NET, some Java, some C++
etc. That's the monoculture of programming. And I bet we'll see the
disadvantages sooner or later....

Regards
Friedrich

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[Andreas Wacknitz]

Am Samstag, 14. April 2012 12:27:46 UTC+2 schrieb Friedrich Dominicus:
> Andreas Wacknitz <A.Wac...@gmx.de> writes:
>
> >
> > While remote/shared STS repositories sound really nice but I fear that
> > these features are too late - the Dolphin community seems to be almost
> > vanished nowadays.
> Well I'm using it and as long as it runs I'll use it. I once posted it
> would be nice beeing able to access all of the .NET stuff, but that's
> just because I'm lazy ;-(

Yes, I am using it, too. And I am also lazy. So a new release with what is available now would be helpful for me.

>
> >
> > I still prefer Dolphin Smalltalk to other dialects but convincing
> > people to products that didn't have any real release for more than 4
> > years is really hard. Replacing missed releases by new ones (like 6.1
> > -> 6.2) is also not very promising...
> No it is not: Visual Basic application our out there in the tens of
> thousands and there is NO Release since how long 5-7 years. And not even
> bug-fixes. I do like Dolphin quite much and am using it. I'd prefer any
> Dolphin like Smalltalk on Linux either but it's not there.
>

The situation for VB is completely different: there is an successor (VB.NET)
available since. Furthermore, there is a by far greater user basis so it will take longer to diminish.

> Dolphin just has one problem it is not C#, VB.NET, some Java, some C++
> etc. That's the monoculture of programming. And I bet we'll see the
> disadvantages sooner or later....

For my paid work I have to deal with DOT.NET and C#. I don't like it that much.
Albeit from the bad languages (C#, Java, C++, ...) it's my preferred one :D

And, by the way, I have exactly the problem to convince people to even try Dolphin for the reason I posted. It's really hard to convince people if they
think it would be wasted time because they recognize Dolphin as being abandoned,
especially after it was officially abandoned by Object Arts before.

Nowadays most developers start with either C# or Java. There are a lot of interesting languages available for those who are willing to enhance their knowledge outside the mainstream. Smalltalk is just one of them and Dolphin is just one of the Smalltalks...

As far as I can see the Dolphin community is shrinking and not growing.
And even inside the Smalltalk community Dolphin seems to be vanishing.
Have there been any presentations on ESUG or STIC conferences regarding Dolphin?
I haven't heard about Dolphin in cross dialect projects (like cypress), too.

Regards,
Andreas

[Friedrich Dominicus]

Andreas Wacknitz <A.Wac...@gmx.de> writes:

>> >
>> > I still prefer Dolphin Smalltalk to other dialects but convincing
>> > people to products that didn't have any real release for more than 4
>> > years is really hard. Replacing missed releases by new ones (like 6.1
>> > -> 6.2) is also not very promising...
>> No it is not: Visual Basic application our out there in the tens of
>> thousands and there is NO Release since how long 5-7 years. And not even
>> bug-fixes. I do like Dolphin quite much and am using it. I'd prefer any
>> Dolphin like Smalltalk on Linux either but it's not there.
>>
>
> The situation for VB is completely different: there is an successor (VB.NET)
> available since. Furthermore, there is a by far greater user basis so
> it will take longer to diminish.

Successor? Well if you have to re-write all you code it's surely
anything but a successor.

[gsa]

Thanks for the update.

[Davorin Ruševljan]

Andy, nice to hear from you!

One thing that we might take an eye on is Cypress https://github.com/CampSmalltalk/Cypress

It is cross smalltalk, directory and file based format for packages, intended to be used on git or similar scm. Since Dolphin had for ages similar format - maybe it would not be very large undertaking to support it, and it would ease intake of fresh source from other smalltalks. And maybe then github could also be option as public repository.

Davorin Rusevljan
http://www.cloud208.com/

[Andreas Wacknitz]

Am Freitag, 6. April 2012 18:26:43 UTC+2 schrieb Andy Bower:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> > Sorry, some new about Dolphin 6.2, about time frame, new features,etc?
>
>
>
> The beta for D6.2 has been delayed (again) I'm afraid. We had hoped to
>
> be able to get a release out last December but various circumstances
>
> meant that this was not to be. I would hope that we can now aim for a
>
> summer release, say June/July.

I just realized that today is the last day of July.
Are there any news about a new release?

Regards,
Andreas

[Travis Kay]

Sure would be nice to see a release. Dolphin is great, and I hope to see some momentum again.

Travis

[dcoro...@gmail.com]

I would like to suggest a very simple and usefull (for me) improvement to D6.2: let us instantiate MORE objects. I know that go for a 64 bits its not easy so I won't ask for that, but today machines has lot of RAM and proccesing power and the 8 millon limit is becoming a very often problem. I know the trick of for modifying the VM, but it would be better to have that parameter built-in in a more appropiated value.

[fxga...@gmail.com]

Yes but the trick really works?
Sometimes leads to unexpected results and image crashes.

Regards
Sebastian Calvo

[dcoro...@gmail.com]

I have never tried, but I guess it should be something that could be changed very easy when OA compile the VM. If many of us need that improvement, we may persuade OA to include it.

Diego Coronel

[fxga...@gmail.com]

Hi Diego:

The ObjectArts support is still available so maybe we can elaborate a list of improvements and send that list to the support to get a quote for each item.

Cheers
Sebastian Calvo