Any Chez Scheme/Petite Chez Scheme-specific mailing list/newsgroups?
Benjamin L. Russell
list/newsgroups currently available?
For some reason, although Chez Scheme has been claimed to be one of
three major Scheme implementations used in university courses (the
others being MIT/GNU Scheme and PLT Scheme) [1], unlike the other two,
it does not seem to have its own mailing list/newsgroup.
Or am I missing something?
-- Benjamin L. Russell
[1] Hsu, Aaron W. "Re: Ideas for an SICP'?". Online posting. 19 Oct.
2009. 25 Nov. 2009. <news://comp.lang.scheme>. Also
available at
<http://groups.google.co.jp/group/comp.lang.scheme/msg/c80c339e4c04c473>.
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Grant Rettke
wrote:
> Are there any Chez Scheme/Petite Chez Scheme-specific mailing
> list/newsgroups currently available?
>
> For some reason, although Chez Scheme has been claimed to be one of
> three major Scheme implementations used in university courses (the
> others being MIT/GNU Scheme and PLT Scheme) [1], unlike the other two,
> it does not seem to have its own mailing list/newsgroup.
>
> Or am I missing something?
I haven't found anything out there either.
Well, you know that the veil of mystery surrounding Chez's user's is
part of its appeal I guess, too ;).
Benjamin L. Russell
<gre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 25, 5:48?am, Benjamin L. Russell <DekuDekup...@Yahoo.com>
In that case, since both MIT/GNU Scheme and PLT Scheme have their own
mailing lists, I think that it would be a good idea to have one
created for Chez Scheme/Petite Chez Scheme.
Would anybody reading this newsgroup be in favor of creating a
comp.lang.scheme.chez-scheme USENET newsgroup?
-- Benjamin L. Russell
Aaron W. Hsu
>Are there any Chez Scheme/Petite Chez Scheme-specific mailing
>list/newsgroups currently available?
There is not mailing list that I know of, but this newsgroup will work
as well as any other. If you have problems or suggestions, you can also
contact the author. :-)
Chez Scheme is an implementation that provides commercial support, so
many of its users have support contracts directly with the developers of
Chez Scheme. This makes a mailing list less appealing for many of Chez
Schemes users, especially considering that they may not be able to post
some of their code due to disclosure issues.
>For some reason, although Chez Scheme has been claimed to be one of
>three major Scheme implementations used in university courses (the
>others being MIT/GNU Scheme and PLT Scheme) [1], unlike the other two,
>it does not seem to have its own mailing list/newsgroup.
The people that use Chez Scheme in the university have university and
class level support groups that usually aren't distributed to the
public.
>Or am I missing something?
Chez Scheme uses fairly standard extensions, and is also
well-documented. The interface and usage patterns are actually quite
simple, so usually a standard Scheme newsgroup is quite sufficient to
answer most questions.
However, if you have a specific Chez Scheme question, feel free to send
it out here, and someone ought to be able to help you. I certainly try
to help people who ask. :-)
Aaron W. Hsu
Aaron W. Hsu
>Well, you know that the veil of mystery surrounding Chez's user's is
>part of its appeal I guess, too ;).
Hahahaha. Oh, come on now, am I that mysterious? :-P
Yeah, use Chez Scheme, it's like the secret Scheme that all the best
Scheme secret agents use!
Aaron W. Hsu
Aaron W. Hsu
>Would anybody reading this newsgroup be in favor of creating a
>comp.lang.scheme.chez-scheme USENET newsgroup?
I'm not opposed, and I would probably subscribe to this, but I tend to
think that it's as good to use comp.lang.scheme as anything else. I am
not sure I really like general user mailing lists for scheme
implementations that get used for all users of that implementation
whenever they have a question. I would think that it would make more
sense to submit as many questions as possible into a main Scheme group,
and only have very very specific things maybe shot off into other
groups. I really prefer to look at Scheme as a whole, rather than
breaking it up unnecessarily. What's wrong with discussing PLT-isms
here? I don't use it, but I think it would be great. Same goes for Chez
Scheme in my mind.
I seem to recall having this discussion of a sorts on here before.
Aaron W. Hsu
Benjamin L. Russell
wrote:
There are two problems with this approach:
1) The main comp.lang.scheme newsgroup has too little traffic. Even
the plt-scheme mailing list has more traffic.
2) If a particular user gets into a negative argument with someone who
is influential (say, an administrator) on a particular Scheme
implementation-specific mailing list which has more traffic than
comp.lang.scheme, then that user may have difficulty in enjoying the
same level of discussion for a different implementation unless that
different implementation also has a similar implementation-specific
newsgroup or mailing list (preferably with the same level of traffic).
If comp.lang.scheme actually had at least as much traffic as any other
implementation-specific mailing list, then there would be no problem.
However, lately, comp.lang.scheme has been having less traffic.
A new newsgroup could potentially solve this problem by creating a new
forum with potentially more discussion on Scheme-related issues than
that currently available on comp.lang.scheme.
Marek Kubica
Benjamin L. Russell <DekuDe...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> 1) The main comp.lang.scheme newsgroup has too little traffic. Even
> the plt-scheme mailing list has more traffic.
Im my experience the PLT mailing lsit has by far the most traffic of
all Scheme-related discussion ressources. So it is not really "even".
> 2) If a particular user gets into a negative argument with someone who
> is influential (say, an administrator) on a particular Scheme
> implementation-specific mailing list which has more traffic than
> comp.lang.scheme, then that user may have difficulty in enjoying the
> same level of discussion for a different implementation unless that
> different implementation also has a similar implementation-specific
> newsgroup or mailing list (preferably with the same level of traffic).
Or he could just use comp.lang.scheme?
> A new newsgroup could potentially solve this problem by creating a new
> forum with potentially more discussion on Scheme-related issues than
> that currently available on comp.lang.scheme.
So splitting off a comp.lang.scheme.chez-scheme group, would lead to
more discussion than there is comp.lang.scheme? Must be some kind of
reverse logic, since Chez Scheme is a one of the Schemes that are
represented by comp.lang.scheme.
The problem is not the lack of newsgroups, it is rather the quality. I
have to admit that the PLT mailing list is populated with a lot of
people that are really helpful when it comes to solving real world
problems with PLT. OTOH, comp.lang.scheme seems to be more focused on
discussion about the language. In an ideal world, all discussion would
be channelled into comp.lang.scheme, but creating new groups usually
only makes sense when there is much traffic in the "old" groups, so
discussion has to be split.
regards,
Marek
Aaron W. Hsu
>1) The main comp.lang.scheme newsgroup has too little traffic. Even
>the plt-scheme mailing list has more traffic.
What makes you think that adding a new group will make a difference? If
there isn't any traffic, it is because people aren't posting. Post a
question about Chez, and see if something happens.
>If comp.lang.scheme actually had at least as much traffic as any other
>implementation-specific mailing list, then there would be no problem.
I don't see the problem here.
>A new newsgroup could potentially solve this problem by creating a new
>forum with potentially more discussion on Scheme-related issues than
>that currently available on comp.lang.scheme.
If you think that you're going to get more traffic with a more specific
group, I don't think you'll find it. There isn't a ready made cohesive
Chez Scheme community just waiting to answer questions from newbies.
There are inviduals, like myself, who try to help when they can, and
there are the developers, but other than that, it's not like there are
"Chez Scheme User's Groups" sitting around just waiting for a mailing
list.
Aaron W. Hsu
Aaron W. Hsu
>The problem is not the lack of newsgroups, it is rather the quality.
Indeed, there is a lot of quality issues, but I wonder how much of that
is simply because people don't care to put quality in. I think sometimes
that people see a noisy group and don't realize that they can filter out
much of the noise.So they try to go elsewhere, until that becomes too
popular and the noise shows up again.
Aaron W. Hsu
Benjamin L. Russell
wrote:
>Benjamin L. Russell <DekuDe...@Yahoo.com> writes:
It seems that the issue probably boils down to one of a combination of
both quality and quantity of posts. People shouldn't need to go to
the plt-scheme mailing list to enjoy the same combination of quality
and quantity of posts about a Scheme implementation as exists there.
That combination probably exists because that mailing list is
populated by a combination of many educators and researchers who are
interested in educating newbies about using Scheme in teaching
concepts in programming. (Unfortunately, even educators and
researchers are only human, so they can and do also get into
arguments, which can sometimes get too heated....)
If one wants that same quantity and quality of content elsewhere, then
that user will need to find a way to get that content created somehow.
The first step is probably to post more content himself/herself, and
hope that others will follow. Okay, then I'll just need to
investigate the kinds of topics discussed there, and come up with a
way to post my own interesting content about another implementation
that will encourage the same level of discussion here. This may
require some hard work, but with enough effort, there seems no reason
that it wouldn't be possible. Lots of interesting discussion about
Scheme should benefit everyone here.
Aaron W. Hsu
>On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:15:15 -0600, Aaron W. Hsu <arcfide@local>
>wrote:
>I'll just need to
>investigate the kinds of topics discussed there, and come up with a
>way to post my own interesting content about another implementation
>that will encourage the same level of discussion here.
I'm sure most of us would appreciate some good topics here. If they are
about Chez, I know I would. ;-)
Aaron W. Hsu