Proper place for everything

[Jason Benjamin]

Anybody know of the appropriate place to troll and flame about various
Python related issues? I'm kind of mad about some Python stuff and I
need a place to vent where people may or may not listen, but at at least
respond. Thought this would be a strange question, but I might as well
start somewhere.

[Robert Kern]

There are plenty of good, free blog hosting options.

--
Robert Kern

"I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma
that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had
an underlying truth."
-- Umberto Eco

[Tim Golden]

A Blog seems the obvious choice. If you don't already have one there are
certainly freely-hosted ones available: blogspot, wordpress, etc.

TJG

[Alister]

Trolls & flames are probably best sent to /dev/null




--
The meta-Turing test counts a thing as intelligent if it seeks to
devise and apply Turing tests to objects of its own creation.
-- Lew Mammel, Jr.

[Ulrich Eckhardt]

Depending on the kind of responses you want I would try
alt.comp.zoo.reptiles or maybe a PHP mailinglist. Alternatively, if you
are willing to invest some real money, I would suggest a good Islay
single malt or a gym membership. If health, money and time are of no
importance to you, I heard of these things called girlfriends or
boyfriends, these could be completely overhyped rumours though.

Uli

[Jason Benjamin]

Yeah, alright. I've just found that if you mention anything about a
library that has well established competitors, the post will tend to get
ignored here.

[Zero Piraeus]

:

On 2 November 2012 07:20, Jason Benjamin <hexus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anybody know of the appropriate place to troll and flame about various
> Python related issues?

I don't know about appropriate, but there'd be a certain amount of
poetic justice in using one of the alt.conspiracy.* or alt.religion.*
newsgroups ...

-[]z.

[Tim Golden]

On 02/11/2012 13:49, Jason Benjamin wrote:
> Yeah, alright. I've just found that if you mention anything about a
> library that has well established competitors, the post will tend to get
> ignored here.

I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to. (Perhaps you can link to
an existing post or discussion).

Without hearing a tone of voice, I'm not sure whether with "... will
tend to get ignored here" you're suggesting a conspiracy of silence or
merely a general lack of interest.

The people who read and post here are the people who read and post here.
And they comment according to whatever interests them or whatever
opinions they hold. That people choose to respond to a post about
Library A and not to one about Library B should not be construed as
representing any kind of behind-the-scenes action encouraging or
suppressing interest. It simply means that the people who felt like it
commented on Library A and not on Library B.

Or have I misunderstood the tenor of your comment?

TJG

[Jason Benjamin]

It's a *really* old post, but it was back when I was first started
learning Python when Python 3 wasn't out yet. It was a dumb question so
I can see why people wouldn't have had interest in answering it, but I
had been developing a game and wanted to find a recommendation on a GUI
toolkit. Now that that's out, yes, I realize I could have searched the
Internet for some ideas, but I tend to have tunnel vision when it comes
to the Internet, much like modern teenagers seem to only realize they
can communicate with Facebook. The incident may have been isolated, but
I stereotype.


On 11/02/2012 10:31 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 06:49:18 -0700, Jason Benjamin
> <hexus...@gmail.com> declaimed the following in
> gmane.comp.python.general:

>
>> Yeah, alright. I've just found that if you mention anything about a
>> library that has well established competitors, the post will tend to get
>> ignored here.
>>

> Interesting... The oldest post still in my news reader's cache is
> October 17.
>
> Since that time, there are only two posts under your name in that
> cache, both in this thread. You should maybe provide some link to such a
> post so late-comers or others can find them... a message-ID could be
> useful...
>
> I'll concede some posts may have been removed from the cache due to
> filter actions (though for this group as found on gmane I only have
> three active filters, and your name is not in any of them).
>

[Jason Benjamin]

On another note, it appears that Google (the only archive I can find for
this group) only has a little under 400 messages archived for this
group, while the slackware newsgroup has upwards 40,000 and contains
posts I can't even remember that were made with one of the first emails
I've ever used.

On 11/02/2012 10:31 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 06:49:18 -0700, Jason Benjamin
> <hexus...@gmail.com> declaimed the following in
> gmane.comp.python.general:
>

>> Yeah, alright. I've just found that if you mention anything about a
>> library that has well established competitors, the post will tend to get
>> ignored here.
>>

[Tim Golden]

On 02/11/2012 18:51, Jason Benjamin wrote:
> On another note, it appears that Google (the only archive I can find for
> this group) only has a little under 400 messages archived for this
> group

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/


http://markmail.org/search/?q=python#query:python%20list%3Aorg.python.python-list+page:1+state:facets

and doubtless others.

TJG

[Jason Benjamin]

Yeah, now that I take a look at the said old post on this group, I can
see why the post was ignored:

http://markmail.org/thread/mnxpzt4jzx3zjeio

[Steven D'Aprano]

On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 04:20:20 -0700, Jason Benjamin wrote:

Thank you for your honesty, but trolling is not welcome.

However if you have actual issues about Python, either pro or con, and
hope to have a serious, respectful dialog where both parties listen to
each other, feel free to raise them here. Keep in mind three things:

- We've probably heard all your arguments a thousand times before. It's
unlikely that you are either the first or the last person to notice
that (e.g.) Python has significant indentation. So expect a certain
amount of brusqueness.

- If your argument boils down to "Python isn't <insert language here>"
we will not be sympathetic, and will probably sneer or laugh at you
privately. And possibly publicly too.

- If you hope to convince the Python community to change <feature X>,
we are constrained by backwards-compatibility issues, policies, and
design decisions. Frequently there are (mis-)features that we simply
have to live with, for good or ill.


--
Steven

[Steven D'Aprano]

On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 11:51:29 -0700, Jason Benjamin wrote:

> On another note, it appears that Google (the only archive I can find for
> this group) only has a little under 400 messages archived for this
> group,

Google Groups is poison. If you post with it, you will be ignored by a
large percentage of the regulars here.

Good options are:

- Use the official email mailing list instead of news:

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Do yourself (and us) a HUGE favour and use regular mail, not daily
digests.

- If you prefer Usenet, and your ISP gives you access to comp.lang.python,
use that.

- If not, there are many cheap Usenet providers you can try.

- Try http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general


Bad options are:

- Absolutely anything to do with Google Groups. It's a crap user-
interface, posts don't follow established standards for email and news,
and Google requires you to sign in just to read the archives, which in
my opinion is morally indefensible.



--
Steven

[Steven D'Aprano]

On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:48:27 -0700, Jason Benjamin wrote:

> Yeah, now that I take a look at the said old post on this group, I can
> see why the post was ignored:
>
> http://markmail.org/thread/mnxpzt4jzx3zjeio

Good lord man, that was FOUR AND A HALF YEARS AGO. Have you been holding
a grudge for all that time? Maybe nobody knew the answer. I certainly
don't.

The question was:

[quote]
I have some PNGs with transparent backgrounds. How do I draw them
using PyGTK?
[end quote]


It is perfectly appropriate to wait three or four days, then reply with a
comment requesting attention. You probably would have got some answers,
even if they were only "take it to a specialist PyGTK mailing list".


--
Steven

[Aahz]

In article <509441cb$0$29967$c3e8da3$5496...@news.astraweb.com>,

You forgot the fourth point.
--
Aahz (aa...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"....Normal is what cuts off your sixth finger and your tail..." --Siobhan

[Steven D'Aprano]

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 22:19:19 -0700, Aahz wrote:

> In article <509441cb$0$29967$c3e8da3$5496...@news.astraweb.com>, Steven
> D'Aprano <steve+comp....@pearwood.info> wrote:
>>On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 04:20:20 -0700, Jason Benjamin wrote:
>>>
>>> Anybody know of the appropriate place to troll and flame about various
>>> Python related issues? I'm kind of mad about some Python stuff and I
>>> need a place to vent where people may or may not listen, but at at
>>> least respond. Thought this would be a strange question, but I might
>>> as well start somewhere.
>>
>>Thank you for your honesty, but trolling is not welcome.
>>
>>However if you have actual issues about Python, either pro or con, and
>>hope to have a serious, respectful dialog where both parties listen to
>>each other, feel free to raise them here. Keep in mind three things:

[snip three things]

> You forgot the fourth point.

Apparently so did you :)


--
Steven

[Roy Smith]

In article <5096202c$0$29967$c3e8da3$5496...@news.astraweb.com>,

"Amongst the points are such diverse elements as..."

[ru...@yahoo.com]

On 11/02/2012 04:12 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 11:51:29 -0700, Jason Benjamin wrote:
>
>> On another note, it appears that Google (the only archive I can find for
>> this group) only has a little under 400 messages archived for this
>> group,
>
> Google Groups is poison. If you post with it, you will be ignored by a
> large percentage of the regulars here.

>[...]

> Bad options are:
>
> - Absolutely anything to do with Google Groups. It's a crap user-
> interface, posts don't follow established standards for email and news,
> and Google requires you to sign in just to read the archives, which in
> my opinion is morally indefensible.

Jason,

You should also be aware that there are a number of
people here such as myself that use Google Groups for
various reasons and there is concurrently some discussion
of this in other threads including the correction of
just plain erroneous info about GG that has been
propagated here.

AFAIK, there is no real definition of "regular" nor
any count of how many of them (whoever "them" is) that
ignore GG. Pretty obviously "crap user interface" is
in the eye of the beholder and the login requirement
is a personal issue.