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Etienne Robillard
Oct 4, 2012, 2:10:46 PM10/4/12
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Dear list,
Due to lack of energy and resources i'm really sad to announce the removal of notmm from pypi and bitbucket. I deleted
also my account from bitbucket as it was not really useful for me. notmm will continue to be accessible from my master
site at http://gthc.org/dist/notmm until the server get down, as I cannot find money to pay for the hosting of notmm.org,
neither anyone to encourage the project so it can grow further.
I have tried to develop a coherent extension for Django using the open source model but I'm afraid to have been
bitten by its failure to encourage a free market over one dictated by profit and the use of cheap tricks to compete unfairly
with perhaps too much openness. I always will also continue to love and use free softwares but sadly it seems asking for a little
fairness is too much asked to competitors dedicated in stealing and subverting my work for their own advantages...
I therefore refuse to continue any longer being mocked by competitors asking excessive prices for having a broken Internet dictated by
a few companies and decide the content I should be visiting.
Shall you have anything you wish saying I'll be open to discuss further on this list. I wish also to thanks the supporters
of the project who have invested time and energy into my business and dedication to the notmm project.
Best wishes,
Etienne
--
Etienne Robillard
Green Tea Hackers Club
Fine Software Carpentry For The Rest Of Us!
http://gthc.org/
er...@gthcfoundation.org
"If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich." -John F. Kennedy
Due to lack of energy and resources i'm really sad to announce the removal of notmm from pypi and bitbucket. I deleted
also my account from bitbucket as it was not really useful for me. notmm will continue to be accessible from my master
site at http://gthc.org/dist/notmm until the server get down, as I cannot find money to pay for the hosting of notmm.org,
neither anyone to encourage the project so it can grow further.
I have tried to develop a coherent extension for Django using the open source model but I'm afraid to have been
bitten by its failure to encourage a free market over one dictated by profit and the use of cheap tricks to compete unfairly
with perhaps too much openness. I always will also continue to love and use free softwares but sadly it seems asking for a little
fairness is too much asked to competitors dedicated in stealing and subverting my work for their own advantages...
I therefore refuse to continue any longer being mocked by competitors asking excessive prices for having a broken Internet dictated by
a few companies and decide the content I should be visiting.
Shall you have anything you wish saying I'll be open to discuss further on this list. I wish also to thanks the supporters
of the project who have invested time and energy into my business and dedication to the notmm project.
Best wishes,
Etienne
--
Etienne Robillard
Green Tea Hackers Club
Fine Software Carpentry For The Rest Of Us!
http://gthc.org/
er...@gthcfoundation.org
"If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich." -John F. Kennedy
Etienne Robillard
Oct 4, 2012, 7:13:51 PM10/4/12
to Chris Angelico, pytho...@python.org
Thanks, but I tried all that and don't have much energy for continuing. If you're
serious about open source then maybe you can forward the thread to django-developers
and get some fundings to pay for a minimalistic fee to get the project maintained
by someone else, otherwise I'd prefer sticking with more profitable activities.
E
On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 08:23:05 +1000
Chris Angelico <ros...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Etienne Robillard <anime...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > For $399 i give you the current source code and you can do whatever you like with it, including
> > putting in github or sf. i think to have lost too many time already with further
> > maintaining the open source version without getting a penny out of it.
>
> Like I said, I'm not personally interested; but perhaps say that to
> the django list and someone'll bite. But if you're really tired of it,
> then just post the source code and someone may end up taking your
> project to places you never had the energy to.
>
> <anecdote>
> There was - and, incidentally, still kinda is - a project called Gmud,
> a 32-bit (but Win32s compatible) Windows MUD client. Its author asked
> people to send him money if they liked and used the program - $US20 I
> think - but almost nobody ever did. For years, Gmud was the
> recommended Windows client for Threshold RPG, and yet still something
> like *four* people ever sent the author money. So the author threw the
> source out to the world and said "I'm done, have fun".
>
> Enter the Threshold RPG community. Gmud has been extremely popular (in
> fact, some people still use it today), in spite of some limitations
> that may have been reasonable a few years ago, but are ridiculous now,
> like a fixed 500-line scrollback buffer. So some of the people there
> ask me to grab the source, tweak a few things, and recompile. I'm a
> geek, I do these sorts of things.
>
> Well, it turned out to be not that simple, for a few reasons. But
> eventually, after a near-complete rewrite, I produced a new MUD client
> that uses the same look and feel as Gmud, as an acknowledged
> derivative. RosMud++ is now the officially recommended Windows client
> for Threshold, and it would never have happened if Gmud's source
> hadn't been given away.
> </anecdote>
>
> It's really hard to make money off software, these days. Which is a
> pity, because there's lots of good software that'd be worth money. I
> do see your pain. :( This is part of why my newest MUD client, Gypsum,
> is open-sourced from the very beginning.
>
> ChrisA
serious about open source then maybe you can forward the thread to django-developers
and get some fundings to pay for a minimalistic fee to get the project maintained
by someone else, otherwise I'd prefer sticking with more profitable activities.
E
On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 08:23:05 +1000
Chris Angelico <ros...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Etienne Robillard <anime...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > For $399 i give you the current source code and you can do whatever you like with it, including
> > putting in github or sf. i think to have lost too many time already with further
> > maintaining the open source version without getting a penny out of it.
>
> Like I said, I'm not personally interested; but perhaps say that to
> the django list and someone'll bite. But if you're really tired of it,
> then just post the source code and someone may end up taking your
> project to places you never had the energy to.
>
> <anecdote>
> There was - and, incidentally, still kinda is - a project called Gmud,
> a 32-bit (but Win32s compatible) Windows MUD client. Its author asked
> people to send him money if they liked and used the program - $US20 I
> think - but almost nobody ever did. For years, Gmud was the
> recommended Windows client for Threshold RPG, and yet still something
> like *four* people ever sent the author money. So the author threw the
> source out to the world and said "I'm done, have fun".
>
> Enter the Threshold RPG community. Gmud has been extremely popular (in
> fact, some people still use it today), in spite of some limitations
> that may have been reasonable a few years ago, but are ridiculous now,
> like a fixed 500-line scrollback buffer. So some of the people there
> ask me to grab the source, tweak a few things, and recompile. I'm a
> geek, I do these sorts of things.
>
> Well, it turned out to be not that simple, for a few reasons. But
> eventually, after a near-complete rewrite, I produced a new MUD client
> that uses the same look and feel as Gmud, as an acknowledged
> derivative. RosMud++ is now the officially recommended Windows client
> for Threshold, and it would never have happened if Gmud's source
> hadn't been given away.
> </anecdote>
>
> It's really hard to make money off software, these days. Which is a
> pity, because there's lots of good software that'd be worth money. I
> do see your pain. :( This is part of why my newest MUD client, Gypsum,
> is open-sourced from the very beginning.
>
> ChrisA
Chris Angelico
Oct 4, 2012, 7:25:18 PM10/4/12
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On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Etienne Robillard <anime...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, but I tried all that and don't have much energy for continuing. If you're
> serious about open source then maybe you can forward the thread to django-developers
> and get some fundings to pay for a minimalistic fee to get the project maintained
> by someone else, otherwise I'd prefer sticking with more profitable activities.
Apologies to all for the non sequitur, Etienne and I were indulging in
> Thanks, but I tried all that and don't have much energy for continuing. If you're
> serious about open source then maybe you can forward the thread to django-developers
> and get some fundings to pay for a minimalistic fee to get the project maintained
> by someone else, otherwise I'd prefer sticking with more profitable activities.
an off-list conversation. I don't mind it being public (there's
nothing secret in it), but it may be a tad confusing to those who just
got the tail end of that!
ChrisA
Steven D'Aprano
Oct 4, 2012, 8:22:06 PM10/4/12
to
On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 14:10:46 -0400, Etienne Robillard wrote:
> Dear list,
>
> Due to lack of energy and resources i'm really sad to announce the
> removal of notmm from pypi and bitbucket.
Well that's just rude. Even if you don't intend to maintain the software
> Dear list,
>
> Due to lack of energy and resources i'm really sad to announce the
> removal of notmm from pypi and bitbucket.
any more, why are you removing it from pypi? Since you say you are a fan
of Open Source software, just flag it as unmaintained and leave it for
somebody else to pick up.
If you are going to abandon the project, release it on PyPI with a dual
MIT and GPL licence, and let it be taken over by somebody else.
If you were looking for sympathy here, starting off by removing your
project from free hosting, then complaining that you can't pay for the
non-free hosting, was NOT the right way to do so.
By the way, the latest version of notmm (0.4.4) has an empty licence
file. No licence means that everyone using it is unlicenced and therefore
infringing your copyright.
--
Steven
Etienne Robillard
Oct 4, 2012, 8:38:23 PM10/4/12
to Steven D'Aprano, pytho...@python.org
Err not exactly.. :)
Firstly notmm is still ISC licensed and available from here http://gthc.org/notmm/dist/.
Secondly i don't want to leave it to the hands of people without I can get a single dime for the work did, however some peoples
don't seem to get this point yet..
My apologies if you feel this removal was rude anyways. Feel free to contact me again
if you need further clarification or would like to take over maintainership of a branch
for a minimal fee.
Kind regards,
Etienne
On 05 Oct 2012 00:22:06 GMT
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Firstly notmm is still ISC licensed and available from here http://gthc.org/notmm/dist/.
Secondly i don't want to leave it to the hands of people without I can get a single dime for the work did, however some peoples
don't seem to get this point yet..
My apologies if you feel this removal was rude anyways. Feel free to contact me again
if you need further clarification or would like to take over maintainership of a branch
for a minimal fee.
Kind regards,
Etienne
On 05 Oct 2012 00:22:06 GMT
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Ian Kelly
Oct 4, 2012, 8:46:18 PM10/4/12
to Python
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Steven D'Aprano
<steve+comp....@pearwood.info> wrote:
> By the way, the latest version of notmm (0.4.4) has an empty licence
> file. No licence means that everyone using it is unlicenced and therefore
> infringing your copyright.
It's an ISC license. The notmm-0.4.4/LICENSE file is a link to the
<steve+comp....@pearwood.info> wrote:
> By the way, the latest version of notmm (0.4.4) has an empty licence
> file. No licence means that everyone using it is unlicenced and therefore
> infringing your copyright.
notmm-0.4.4/notmm-0.4.4-rc7/LICENSE file, unless your archiver fails
to reconstruct the link when untarring, in which case the former ends
up as an empty file (but the latter is still present).
Etienne Robillard
Oct 4, 2012, 8:56:43 PM10/4/12
to Ian Kelly, pytho...@python.org
You probably have a old tarball or something...
$ wget http://gthc.org/dist/notmm/notmm-0.4.4.tar.gz
$ md5sum notmm-0.4.4.tar.gz
dff1b2ec5373b5157cf79d57169a336e notmm-0.4.4.tar.gz
Cheers,
Etienne
On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 18:46:18 -0600
Ian Kelly <ian.g...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> <steve+comp....@pearwood.info> wrote:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
$ wget http://gthc.org/dist/notmm/notmm-0.4.4.tar.gz
$ md5sum notmm-0.4.4.tar.gz
dff1b2ec5373b5157cf79d57169a336e notmm-0.4.4.tar.gz
Cheers,
Etienne
On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 18:46:18 -0600
Ian Kelly <ian.g...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> <steve+comp....@pearwood.info> wrote:
> > By the way, the latest version of notmm (0.4.4) has an empty licence
> > file. No licence means that everyone using it is unlicenced and therefore
> > infringing your copyright.
>
> > file. No licence means that everyone using it is unlicenced and therefore
> > infringing your copyright.
>
> It's an ISC license. The notmm-0.4.4/LICENSE file is a link to the
> notmm-0.4.4/notmm-0.4.4-rc7/LICENSE file, unless your archiver fails
> to reconstruct the link when untarring, in which case the former ends
> up as an empty file (but the latter is still present).
> --
> notmm-0.4.4/notmm-0.4.4-rc7/LICENSE file, unless your archiver fails
> to reconstruct the link when untarring, in which case the former ends
> up as an empty file (but the latter is still present).
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Michael Torrie
Oct 4, 2012, 10:39:55 PM10/4/12
to pytho...@python.org
On 10/04/2012 05:13 PM, Etienne Robillard wrote:
> Thanks, but I tried all that and don't have much energy for continuing. If you're
> serious about open source then maybe you can forward the thread to django-developers
> and get some fundings to pay for a minimalistic fee to get the project maintained
> by someone else, otherwise I'd prefer sticking with more profitable activities.
Nothing in the existing license prevents someone from taking the latest
> Thanks, but I tried all that and don't have much energy for continuing. If you're
> serious about open source then maybe you can forward the thread to django-developers
> and get some fundings to pay for a minimalistic fee to get the project maintained
> by someone else, otherwise I'd prefer sticking with more profitable activities.
source and posting it back on Pypi as an unmaintained package. Isn't
that correct?
What are you referring to when you say "minimalistic fee." Would this
be a fee you require for transferring copyright assignment? I know of
no fee necessary for a new maintainer to take over should one wish to.
Copyright assignment is not strictly necessary.
Ramchandra Apte
Oct 5, 2012, 4:29:02 AM10/5/12
to django...@googlegroups.com
On Thursday, 4 October 2012 23:40:47 UTC+5:30, Etienne Robillard wrote:
> Dear list,
>
>
>
> Due to lack of energy and resources i'm really sad to announce the removal of notmm from pypi and bitbucket. I deleted
>
> also my account from bitbucket as it was not really useful for me. notmm will continue to be accessible from my master
>
> site at http://gthc.org/dist/notmm until the server get down, as I cannot find money to pay for the hosting of notmm.org,
Can't you use Google Code?
> Dear list,
>
>
>
> Due to lack of energy and resources i'm really sad to announce the removal of notmm from pypi and bitbucket. I deleted
>
> also my account from bitbucket as it was not really useful for me. notmm will continue to be accessible from my master
>
> site at http://gthc.org/dist/notmm until the server get down, as I cannot find money to pay for the hosting of notmm.org,
Etienne Robillard
Oct 5, 2012, 6:43:47 AM10/5/12
to Michael Torrie, pytho...@python.org
No. All past notmm licenses were and still ARE ISC licensed. The license fee
is simply because I'm shifting into commercial license for new releases, including
the newer 0.4.5 version... Pypi was not the authority source for notmm and
neither anyone can claim the license was left blank, thats once again a form of plagiarism.
Shall anyone is really serious about supporting the work i did then he'll want to pay a minimal fee to get
the proper license rights and can contact me off-list if he want to fork a branch
to github of google code.
Thanks,
Etienne
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
is simply because I'm shifting into commercial license for new releases, including
the newer 0.4.5 version... Pypi was not the authority source for notmm and
neither anyone can claim the license was left blank, thats once again a form of plagiarism.
Shall anyone is really serious about supporting the work i did then he'll want to pay a minimal fee to get
the proper license rights and can contact me off-list if he want to fork a branch
to github of google code.
Thanks,
Etienne
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Michael Torrie
Oct 5, 2012, 11:10:48 AM10/5/12
to pytho...@python.org
On 10/05/2012 04:43 AM, Etienne Robillard wrote:
> No. All past notmm licenses were and still ARE ISC licensed. The license fee
> is simply because I'm shifting into commercial license for new releases, including
> the newer 0.4.5 version... Pypi was not the authority source for notmm and
> neither anyone can claim the license was left blank, thats once again a form of plagiarism.
>
> Shall anyone is really serious about supporting the work i did then he'll want to pay a minimal fee to get
> the proper license rights and can contact me off-list if he want to fork a branch
> to github of google code.
Someone certainly could fork any past ISC version and proceed from
> No. All past notmm licenses were and still ARE ISC licensed. The license fee
> is simply because I'm shifting into commercial license for new releases, including
> the newer 0.4.5 version... Pypi was not the authority source for notmm and
> neither anyone can claim the license was left blank, thats once again a form of plagiarism.
>
> Shall anyone is really serious about supporting the work i did then he'll want to pay a minimal fee to get
> the proper license rights and can contact me off-list if he want to fork a branch
> to github of google code.
there. That is simply my point. Without any license fees and without
any accusation of "plagiarism." Indeed it wouldn't be plagiarism
because your name would still be on it, and copyright assigned to you.
I don't know what you are talking about with the plagiarism thing. If
there indeed was a tarball out there with an empty license file all that
would do would be to prevent the downloader from legally doing
*anything* with the file. That's all the original poster was saying.
We're just trying to be clear on the terms here, not accusing you of
anything, nor trying to denigrate all your hard work.
Etienne Robillard
Oct 5, 2012, 11:51:26 AM10/5/12
to Ian Kelly, pytho...@python.org
On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 09:29:39 -0600
Ian Kelly <ian.g...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 4, 2012 6:56 PM, "Etienne Robillard" <anime...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > You probably have a old tarball or something...
>
> Not unless you've replaced it since I made my post, as I had just
> downloaded it to check the license.
The 0.4.4 release is old, however, so you might really got a wrong tarball. :-)
Cheers,
Ian Kelly <ian.g...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 4, 2012 6:56 PM, "Etienne Robillard" <anime...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > You probably have a old tarball or something...
>
> downloaded it to check the license.
The 0.4.4 release is old, however, so you might really got a wrong tarball. :-)
Cheers,
Prasad, Ramit
Oct 5, 2012, 3:37:59 PM10/5/12
to pytho...@python.org
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 7:22 PM
> To: pytho...@python.org
> Subject: Re: notmm is dead!
exchange for letting someone else take over.
>
> By the way, the latest version of notmm (0.4.4) has an empty licence
> file. No licence means that everyone using it is unlicenced and therefore
> infringing your copyright.
>
>
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> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 7:22 PM
> To: pytho...@python.org
> Subject: Re: notmm is dead!
>
> On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 14:10:46 -0400, Etienne Robillard wrote:
>
> > Dear list,
> >
> > Due to lack of energy and resources i'm really sad to announce the
> > removal of notmm from pypi and bitbucket.
>
> Well that's just rude. Even if you don't intend to maintain the software
> any more, why are you removing it from pypi? Since you say you are a fan
> of Open Source software, just flag it as unmaintained and leave it for
> somebody else to pick up.
>
> If you are going to abandon the project, release it on PyPI with a dual
> MIT and GPL licence, and let it be taken over by somebody else.
>
> If you were looking for sympathy here, starting off by removing your
> project from free hosting, then complaining that you can't pay for the
> non-free hosting, was NOT the right way to do so.
I might be misunderstanding, but I think Etienne wants money in
> On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 14:10:46 -0400, Etienne Robillard wrote:
>
> > Dear list,
> >
> > Due to lack of energy and resources i'm really sad to announce the
> > removal of notmm from pypi and bitbucket.
>
> Well that's just rude. Even if you don't intend to maintain the software
> any more, why are you removing it from pypi? Since you say you are a fan
> of Open Source software, just flag it as unmaintained and leave it for
> somebody else to pick up.
>
> If you are going to abandon the project, release it on PyPI with a dual
> MIT and GPL licence, and let it be taken over by somebody else.
>
> If you were looking for sympathy here, starting off by removing your
> project from free hosting, then complaining that you can't pay for the
> non-free hosting, was NOT the right way to do so.
exchange for letting someone else take over.
>
> By the way, the latest version of notmm (0.4.4) has an empty licence
> file. No licence means that everyone using it is unlicenced and therefore
> infringing your copyright.
>
>
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88888 Dihedral
Oct 5, 2012, 9:43:49 PM10/5/12
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Prasad, Ramit於 2012年10月6日星期六UTC+8上午4時06分31秒寫道：
I think it is OK to have some string attatched in those open source projects.
Nowadays the software industry is just like the perfume and prtinting
and the audio-video entaertainment industry.
The replication cost is so low. Don't forget the lawsuites in Facebook
about the participants charged the founder in the courts.
Nowadays the software industry is just like the perfume and prtinting
and the audio-video entaertainment industry.
The replication cost is so low. Don't forget the lawsuites in Facebook
about the participants charged the founder in the courts.
88888 Dihedral
Oct 5, 2012, 9:43:49 PM10/5/12
to comp.lan...@googlegroups.com, pytho...@python.org
Prasad, Ramit於 2012年10月6日星期六UTC+8上午4時06分31秒寫道：
Michael Torrie
Oct 5, 2012, 10:58:46 PM10/5/12
to pytho...@python.org
On 10/05/2012 07:43 PM, 88888 Dihedral wrote:
> I think it is OK to have some string attatched in those open source projects.
What are you talking about? What "string?"
> I think it is OK to have some string attatched in those open source projects.
> Nowadays the software industry is just like the perfume and prtinting
> and the audio-video entaertainment industry.
> The replication cost is so low. Don't forget the lawsuites in Facebook
> about the participants charged the founder in the courts.
I suppose a person can fail a turing test...
Ramchandra Apte
Oct 6, 2012, 1:53:17 AM10/6/12
to pytho...@python.org
Ramchandra Apte
Oct 6, 2012, 1:53:17 AM10/6/12
to comp.lan...@googlegroups.com, pytho...@python.org
On Saturday, 6 October 2012 08:29:02 UTC+5:30, Michael Torrie wrote:
alex23
Oct 7, 2012, 9:19:05 PM10/7/12
to
On Oct 6, 12:59 pm, Michael Torrie <torr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I suppose a person can fail a turing test...
You did, yes :)
> I suppose a person can fail a turing test...
Dwight Hutto
Oct 7, 2012, 9:45:02 PM10/7/12
to alex23, pytho...@python.org
answer in the end?
Failure becomes answer not given in interval required, but did anybody
else, and if so...how many?
--
Best Regards,
David Hutto
CEO: http://www.hitwebdevelopment.com
alex23
Oct 7, 2012, 10:08:07 PM10/7/12
to
On Oct 8, 11:45 am, Dwight Hutto <dwightdhu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What is failed, but a timeline in this scenario, if you found the
> answer in the end?
It was a _joke_ referring to Michael Torrie's email addressing the
> What is failed, but a timeline in this scenario, if you found the
> answer in the end?
88888 Dihedral bot _as if it was a person_.
> Failure becomes answer not given in interval required, but did anybody
> else, and if so...how many?
Michael Torrie
Oct 7, 2012, 10:54:32 PM10/7/12
to pytho...@python.org
On 10/07/2012 08:08 PM, alex23 wrote:
> On Oct 8, 11:45 am, Dwight Hutto <dwightdhu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> What is failed, but a timeline in this scenario, if you found the
>> answer in the end?
>
> It was a _joke_ referring to Michael Torrie's email addressing the
> 88888 Dihedral bot _as if it was a person_.
Well it would be useful to probe the bot's parameters...
> On Oct 8, 11:45 am, Dwight Hutto <dwightdhu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> What is failed, but a timeline in this scenario, if you found the
>> answer in the end?
>
> It was a _joke_ referring to Michael Torrie's email addressing the
> 88888 Dihedral bot _as if it was a person_.
Jason Friedman
Oct 7, 2012, 11:42:04 PM10/7/12
to Michael Torrie, pytho...@python.org
>> It was a _joke_ referring to Michael Torrie's email addressing the
>> 88888 Dihedral bot _as if it was a person_.
>
>> 88888 Dihedral bot _as if it was a person_.
>
> Well it would be useful to probe the bot's parameters...
Five eights is a busy bot:
http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t806110-p8-ok-lets-start-real-programming-in-c-for-problems.html
http://www.edaboard.co.uk/a-cheap-or-free-version-of-system-verilog-t521889.html
Michael Torrie
Oct 7, 2012, 11:45:34 PM10/7/12
to pytho...@python.org
On 10/07/2012 09:42 PM, Jason Friedman wrote:
>>> It was a _joke_ referring to Michael Torrie's email addressing the
>>> 88888 Dihedral bot _as if it was a person_.
>>
>>> It was a _joke_ referring to Michael Torrie's email addressing the
>>> 88888 Dihedral bot _as if it was a person_.
>>
>> Well it would be useful to probe the bot's parameters...
>
> Five eights is a busy bot:
> http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t806110-p8-ok-lets-start-real-programming-in-c-for-problems.html
> http://www.edaboard.co.uk/a-cheap-or-free-version-of-system-verilog-t521889.html
Indeed and he doesn't make much more sense in any of these venues. And
>
> Five eights is a busy bot:
> http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t806110-p8-ok-lets-start-real-programming-in-c-for-problems.html
> http://www.edaboard.co.uk/a-cheap-or-free-version-of-system-verilog-t521889.html
it does not seem to engage in conversation on any of these other forums
either.
Dwight Hutto
Oct 8, 2012, 12:18:45 AM10/8/12
to Etienne Robillard, django...@googlegroups.com, pytho...@python.org
> Due to lack of energy and resources i'm really sad to announce the removal of notmm from pypi and bitbucket. I deleted
> also my account from bitbucket as it was not really useful for me.
Not 1 response?
> also my account from bitbucket as it was not really useful for me.
notmm will continue to be accessible from my master
> site at http://gthc.org/dist/notmm until the server get down, as I cannot find money to pay for the hosting of notmm.org,
> neither anyone to encourage the project so it can grow further.
Saw a niche, and announced your takeover?
>
> I have tried to develop a coherent extension for Django using the open source model but I'm afraid to have been
> bitten by its failure to encourage a free market over one dictated by profit and the use of cheap tricks to compete unfairly
> with perhaps too much openness. I always will also continue to love and use free softwares but sadly it seems asking for a little
> fairness is too much asked to competitors dedicated in stealing and subverting my work for their own advantages...
>
> I therefore refuse to continue any longer being mocked by competitors asking excessive prices for having a broken Internet dictated by
> a few companies and decide the content I should be visiting.
>
> Shall you have anything you wish saying I'll be open to discuss further on this list. I wish also to thanks the supporters
> of the project who have invested time and energy into my business and dedication to the notmm project.
statistically valued features.
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