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Peter Henry
Apr 9, 2017, 1:53:45 PM4/9/17
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Hi Group
I have a package that has been altered to imported in to python, however I tired to get is working but without success I be missing something obvious
The Swiss Ephemeris enable planetary coordinate to be imported and used in your program
Files access https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyswisseph
Many thanks in advance
Peter
I have a package that has been altered to imported in to python, however I tired to get is working but without success I be missing something obvious
The Swiss Ephemeris enable planetary coordinate to be imported and used in your program
Files access https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyswisseph
Many thanks in advance
Peter
Deborah Swanson
Apr 9, 2017, 9:52:44 PM4/9/17
to
Peter Henry wrote, on Sunday, April 09, 2017 10:53 AM
I've also worked on the problem of getting sweph into Python and have
mostly struck out so far myself.
I found one reliable means to get sweph's planetary data into Python,
but it's more or less a cheat. Nonetheless, if you want to see how much
good it does you, try the Swiss Ephemeris Test Page at
http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swetest.htm. If you can successfully
formulate a query useful to your purposes, you can download a csv of
results, read it into Python, and work from there. Right now I'm working
on converting some Excel spreadsheets and Excel VBA I use into Python
and recoding it all, using the CSVs for jumping off points. That works
pretty well, except the times from swetest are off a bit and I haven't
figured out why. But I'm concentrating on getting all my VBA code ported
to Python, and will go back to getting bang on data from sweph after I
have my code done.
The first thing I tried was to get sweph's C source code into a free
IDE, but that whole project went down in flames. You can read bits and
pieces of that misadventure at the tail end of the "Python application
launcher (for Python code)" thread. I found sweph's C source code at
some link off "Programming interface to the Swiss Ephemeris" at
http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swephprg.htm (or maybe it was on
http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swephinfo_e.htm - I can't easily find it
now, but the download link is in one of those two pages somewhere.)
Then I tried picking through sweph's C source code, attempting to
manually reproduce the logic and the calculations in Python. That was a
highly qualified semi-success because the times were still off, but it
essentially produces the most basic planetary data. The swetest output
CSVs were more complete however, and easy to read the planetary data
into Python from, so I'd pretty much abandoned efforts to "translate"
the C source code. And now, all my efforts to leverage the C source
code. Even if successful it would be a lot more time sunk into working
with a language other than Python, which I likely wouldn't have a use
for after this project is completed.
However, I have seen bits here and there on this list that are at least
interesting. Tim Chase mentioned in passing that he encapsulated C
source code in a class, which may bear looking into. Lutz Horn also gave
a link for building a Python module to add a C language library to
Python, which also might be worth checking out:
https://docs.python.org/3/extending/index.html (I changed the 2 to a 3
from the link he gave, but you can change it back to 2 if your working
in a build of Python 2.)
But many thanks for your pypi link to pyswisseph, which I will check
out. I can reply to this thread after I give it a shot and tell you what
I think of it. But like I said earlier, that won't be until all my Excel
VBA code, which jumps off from the sweph bare planetary data, is ported
to Python and working. Could be awhile yet. And if pyswisseph doesn't
pan out, I'll likely work on refining the two methods I have for
producing the planetary data, both of which are only lacking precisely
accurate time data in my local time, and both are off by only 5-30
minutes. I easily limped along for years with my Excel spread sheets
using the swetest CSVs for input, even though my times then were more
than a day off.
Good luck! (and this venture is a goodly portion of luck...)
Deborah
PS. I've been using medical astrology to look ahead at my medical
condition for years in advance. And being off by a day or so doesn't
matter that much when you're looking at trends over the course of years
and decades. I also have a little software widget to look at the
planetary data in graphical chart form at any particular second, also
based on sweph, which has been quite astoundingly accurate in following
the rather complex kaleidoscope of my symptoms during the course of a
day. (Though it doesn't do you a bit of good if you forget to look!
Which is my entire motivation to get it encoded and available with a few
clicks.) And it is quite useful to know in advance what will be
happening when, and most importantly when it will stop. Knowledge is
power!
Caveat. This kind of precision and accuracy is only found in the
specific forms of astrology which relate to pure physical phenomena, and
most of what you see these days masquerading as astrology is pure hooey,
almost entirely invented on a large scale in the Middle Ages and
flowered in the Renaissance. By pure physical phenomena, which is the
only phenomena that is at least debatably influenced by physical
planetary forces, I mean things like the moon's tides, sunspots, plant
and animal activity throughout the year, and supremely, the inner
workings of the human body, the first wholly Western medicine devised by
the ancient Greeks. (The ancient Greek physicians are an excellent
fallback if modern medicine is failing you - if you can find enough that
remains today of their art.)
mostly struck out so far myself.
I found one reliable means to get sweph's planetary data into Python,
but it's more or less a cheat. Nonetheless, if you want to see how much
good it does you, try the Swiss Ephemeris Test Page at
http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swetest.htm. If you can successfully
formulate a query useful to your purposes, you can download a csv of
results, read it into Python, and work from there. Right now I'm working
on converting some Excel spreadsheets and Excel VBA I use into Python
and recoding it all, using the CSVs for jumping off points. That works
pretty well, except the times from swetest are off a bit and I haven't
figured out why. But I'm concentrating on getting all my VBA code ported
to Python, and will go back to getting bang on data from sweph after I
have my code done.
The first thing I tried was to get sweph's C source code into a free
IDE, but that whole project went down in flames. You can read bits and
pieces of that misadventure at the tail end of the "Python application
launcher (for Python code)" thread. I found sweph's C source code at
some link off "Programming interface to the Swiss Ephemeris" at
http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swephprg.htm (or maybe it was on
http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swephinfo_e.htm - I can't easily find it
now, but the download link is in one of those two pages somewhere.)
Then I tried picking through sweph's C source code, attempting to
manually reproduce the logic and the calculations in Python. That was a
highly qualified semi-success because the times were still off, but it
essentially produces the most basic planetary data. The swetest output
CSVs were more complete however, and easy to read the planetary data
into Python from, so I'd pretty much abandoned efforts to "translate"
the C source code. And now, all my efforts to leverage the C source
code. Even if successful it would be a lot more time sunk into working
with a language other than Python, which I likely wouldn't have a use
for after this project is completed.
However, I have seen bits here and there on this list that are at least
interesting. Tim Chase mentioned in passing that he encapsulated C
source code in a class, which may bear looking into. Lutz Horn also gave
a link for building a Python module to add a C language library to
Python, which also might be worth checking out:
https://docs.python.org/3/extending/index.html (I changed the 2 to a 3
from the link he gave, but you can change it back to 2 if your working
in a build of Python 2.)
But many thanks for your pypi link to pyswisseph, which I will check
out. I can reply to this thread after I give it a shot and tell you what
I think of it. But like I said earlier, that won't be until all my Excel
VBA code, which jumps off from the sweph bare planetary data, is ported
to Python and working. Could be awhile yet. And if pyswisseph doesn't
pan out, I'll likely work on refining the two methods I have for
producing the planetary data, both of which are only lacking precisely
accurate time data in my local time, and both are off by only 5-30
minutes. I easily limped along for years with my Excel spread sheets
using the swetest CSVs for input, even though my times then were more
than a day off.
Good luck! (and this venture is a goodly portion of luck...)
Deborah
PS. I've been using medical astrology to look ahead at my medical
condition for years in advance. And being off by a day or so doesn't
matter that much when you're looking at trends over the course of years
and decades. I also have a little software widget to look at the
planetary data in graphical chart form at any particular second, also
based on sweph, which has been quite astoundingly accurate in following
the rather complex kaleidoscope of my symptoms during the course of a
day. (Though it doesn't do you a bit of good if you forget to look!
Which is my entire motivation to get it encoded and available with a few
clicks.) And it is quite useful to know in advance what will be
happening when, and most importantly when it will stop. Knowledge is
power!
Caveat. This kind of precision and accuracy is only found in the
specific forms of astrology which relate to pure physical phenomena, and
most of what you see these days masquerading as astrology is pure hooey,
almost entirely invented on a large scale in the Middle Ages and
flowered in the Renaissance. By pure physical phenomena, which is the
only phenomena that is at least debatably influenced by physical
planetary forces, I mean things like the moon's tides, sunspots, plant
and animal activity throughout the year, and supremely, the inner
workings of the human body, the first wholly Western medicine devised by
the ancient Greeks. (The ancient Greek physicians are an excellent
fallback if modern medicine is failing you - if you can find enough that
remains today of their art.)
Rick Johnson
Apr 10, 2017, 12:00:21 AM4/10/17
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On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 8:52:44 PM UTC-5, Deborah Swanson wrote:
> PS. I've been using medical astrology to look ahead at my
> medical condition for years in advance. And being off by a
> day or so doesn't matter that much when you're looking at
> trends over the course of years and decades. I also have a
> little software widget to look at the planetary data in
> graphical chart form at any particular second, also based
> on sweph, which has been quite astoundingly accurate in
> following the rather complex kaleidoscope of my symptoms
> during the course of a day. (Though it doesn't do you a bit
> of good if you forget to look! Which is my entire
> motivation to get it encoded and available with a few
> clicks.) And it is quite useful to know in advance what
> will be happening when, and most importantly when it will
> stop. Knowledge is power!
It's simply amazing what technology can do these days. And
> PS. I've been using medical astrology to look ahead at my
> medical condition for years in advance. And being off by a
> day or so doesn't matter that much when you're looking at
> trends over the course of years and decades. I also have a
> little software widget to look at the planetary data in
> graphical chart form at any particular second, also based
> on sweph, which has been quite astoundingly accurate in
> following the rather complex kaleidoscope of my symptoms
> during the course of a day. (Though it doesn't do you a bit
> of good if you forget to look! Which is my entire
> motivation to get it encoded and available with a few
> clicks.) And it is quite useful to know in advance what
> will be happening when, and most importantly when it will
> stop. Knowledge is power!
with medical diagnosis now just a few clicks away, someone
really should tell those medical students to stop wasting
time and money at university.
> Caveat. This kind of precision and accuracy is only found
> in the specific forms of astrology which relate to pure
> physical phenomena, and most of what you see these days
> masquerading as astrology is pure hooey, almost entirely
> invented on a large scale in the Middle Ages and flowered
> in the Renaissance.
> By pure physical phenomena, which is the only phenomena
> that is at least debatably influenced by physical planetary
> forces, I mean things like the moon's tides, sunspots,
> plant and animal activity throughout the year, and
> supremely, the inner workings of the human body, the first
> wholly Western medicine devised by the ancient Greeks. (The
> ancient Greek physicians are an excellent fallback if
> modern medicine is failing you - if you can find enough
> that remains today of their art.)
Deborah Swanson
Apr 10, 2017, 1:56:47 AM4/10/17
to
Fully recognizing that most of what you wrote was tongue-in-cheek, I
just want to say that regardless of the wonders of modern medicine, it's
a pity they learn so little about successful medicines other than their
own. In other academic scientific disciplines such as physics and
chemistry it's not uncommon to see history of science courses in the
curriculum. But not in medicine. I learned what I know about ancient
Greek science from a university physics professor, though I doubt he
would ever have guessed that one of his students would someday breathe
new life into that ancient science by attempting to ressurrect it. The
great ancients were no less endowed with intelligence than we are, they
simply directed it to different ends.
Rick Johnson wrote, on Sunday, April 09, 2017 9:00 PM
> --
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>
just want to say that regardless of the wonders of modern medicine, it's
a pity they learn so little about successful medicines other than their
own. In other academic scientific disciplines such as physics and
chemistry it's not uncommon to see history of science courses in the
curriculum. But not in medicine. I learned what I know about ancient
Greek science from a university physics professor, though I doubt he
would ever have guessed that one of his students would someday breathe
new life into that ancient science by attempting to ressurrect it. The
great ancients were no less endowed with intelligence than we are, they
simply directed it to different ends.
Rick Johnson wrote, on Sunday, April 09, 2017 9:00 PM
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>
Adriaan Renting
Apr 10, 2017, 7:10:36 AM4/10/17
to
There are at least two other packages with Python bindings that allow
ephimerides calculations.
1) PyEphem http://rhodesmill.org/pyephem/
2) Pyraphttp://www.astron.nl/casacore/trunk/pyrap/docs/ (This needs a
very big casacore c++ library and thus a pain to compile, but can give
second level accuracy if you use updated IERS tables).
As to the ancient's (Greek/Roman) nature philosophy. We still use some
of it today, especially in the fields of mathematics, mechanics and
observational astronomy, but their understanding of biology and
especially the human body was entirely incorrect.
Western/Islamic medicine largely followed Hippocrates for nearly 2000
years (although the ideas are originally from Indian Ayurveda) and some
of the methods had some merit, but overall the treatments were often
worse than the disease, for example George Washinton was almost
certainly killed by his doctors.
Only with the application of the scientific method to medicine after
the enlightenment have we started to make any real progress. The most
important of which is blind trials in which a treatment needs to show to
be better than a placebo.
One of the most important things that modern medicine has shown is that
a placebo can have a real effect and cure people. Some people do get
better after you give them a sugar pill or its equivalent.
As humans we're also very good at seeing correlation and causation when
none might exist. Matt Parker has a very entertaining talk about this
here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf5OrthVRPA
Cheers,
Adriaan Renting
P.S. I had an uncle who died of cancer 2 years ago who was a firm
believer in all kinds of non-mainstream cures and tried all kinds of
alternative cures from accupuncture to yoga to Gc-MAF. In the end the
only results I saw were that these people got many 10.000s euros from
him and he died very disillusioned and poor as these were not covered by
his health insurance. I learned a lot about magazines like "What doctors
don't tell you" - which use the images of people in white labcoats to
sell you things that doctors don't tell you about because they are known
to be ineffective or even bad for you. I understand that a lot of people
have a problem with authority and/or look for alternatives if mainstream
medicine can't help them. And sometimes the methods seem to work and
those are the stories you hear, as the other people end up like my
uncle, who's not here any more to tell his story. Don't end up like my
uncle.
>>>
> Fully recognizing that most of what you wrote was tongue-in-cheek, I
> just want to say that regardless of the wonders of modern medicine,
it's
> a pity they learn so little about successful medicines other than
their
> own. In other academic scientific disciplines such as physics and
> chemistry it's not uncommon to see history of science courses in the
> curriculum. But not in medicine. I learned what I know about ancient
> Greek science from a university physics professor, though I doubt he
> would ever have guessed that one of his students would someday
breathe
> new life into that ancient science by attempting to ressurrect it.
The
> great ancients were no less endowed with intelligence than we are,
they
> simply directed it to different ends.
>
>
> Rick Johnson wrote, on Sunday, April 09, 2017 9:00 PM
>>
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>
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Peter Henry
Apr 10, 2017, 3:06:21 PM4/10/17
to
Hi Deborah,
Thanks your reply and interest,
A few years ago did create a Excel addin, that extracted planetary
coordinates from the Swisseph source code and populated excel spreadsheet
This Marco addin had customised planetary settings of which was useful
Currently now learning to program in Python as it is flexible, popular
for machine learning and data science. The idea the planetary coordinate
can help with timing stock commodity and Forex markets, as both freely
trading markets and planetary movement adhere to natural law
Neural networks can also assist in extracting relationship information
between markets and planetary positions.
Whilst waiting for a solution can you advise of an efficient way of
producing a a CSV file similar to the file attached, only planetary data
required
Many thanks
Peter
On 10 April 2017 at 02:52, Deborah Swanson <pyt...@deborahswanson.net>
wrote:
> Peter Henry wrote, on Sunday, April 09, 2017 10:53 AM
Thanks your reply and interest,
A few years ago did create a Excel addin, that extracted planetary
coordinates from the Swisseph source code and populated excel spreadsheet
This Marco addin had customised planetary settings of which was useful
Currently now learning to program in Python as it is flexible, popular
for machine learning and data science. The idea the planetary coordinate
can help with timing stock commodity and Forex markets, as both freely
trading markets and planetary movement adhere to natural law
Neural networks can also assist in extracting relationship information
between markets and planetary positions.
Whilst waiting for a solution can you advise of an efficient way of
producing a a CSV file similar to the file attached, only planetary data
required
Many thanks
Peter
On 10 April 2017 at 02:52, Deborah Swanson <pyt...@deborahswanson.net>
wrote:
> Peter Henry wrote, on Sunday, April 09, 2017 10:53 AM
> PS. I've been using medical astrology to look ahead at my medical
> condition for years in advance. And being off by a day or so doesn't
> matter that much when you're looking at trends over the course of years
> and decades. I also have a little software widget to look at the
> planetary data in graphical chart form at any particular second, also
> based on sweph, which has been quite astoundingly accurate in following
> the rather complex kaleidoscope of my symptoms during the course of a
> day. (Though it doesn't do you a bit of good if you forget to look!
> Which is my entire motivation to get it encoded and available with a few
> clicks.) And it is quite useful to know in advance what will be
> happening when, and most importantly when it will stop. Knowledge is
> power!
>
> condition for years in advance. And being off by a day or so doesn't
> matter that much when you're looking at trends over the course of years
> and decades. I also have a little software widget to look at the
> planetary data in graphical chart form at any particular second, also
> based on sweph, which has been quite astoundingly accurate in following
> the rather complex kaleidoscope of my symptoms during the course of a
> day. (Though it doesn't do you a bit of good if you forget to look!
> Which is my entire motivation to get it encoded and available with a few
> clicks.) And it is quite useful to know in advance what will be
> happening when, and most importantly when it will stop. Knowledge is
> power!
>
> Caveat. This kind of precision and accuracy is only found in the
> specific forms of astrology which relate to pure physical phenomena, and
> most of what you see these days masquerading as astrology is pure hooey,
> almost entirely invented on a large scale in the Middle Ages and
> flowered in the Renaissance. By pure physical phenomena, which is the
> specific forms of astrology which relate to pure physical phenomena, and
> most of what you see these days masquerading as astrology is pure hooey,
> almost entirely invented on a large scale in the Middle Ages and
Deborah Swanson
Apr 10, 2017, 4:10:46 PM4/10/17
to
Hi Peter,
I would be interested in seeing your Excel addin with customized
planetary settings. I'd be curious what these customizations would be,
though if they look useful I'd more likely be scavenging the code to
rewrite it in Python and add to what I already have, rather than using
the addin in Excel. The only thing not quite right about what I have is
the times, which are a smidge off. This could be due to planetary
anomalies, so I definitely would like to look at it.
I totally agree with all you said about Python and more. I didn't start
out in Python looking to replace Excel or to migrate my planetary
project to it, those things just happened along the way. But looking
around to see what was new and what was better than anything I'd done
before, Python was a natural choice.
I'll have to say though that I don't share your enthusiasm for modeling
the market with planetary relationships, indeed any mathematical
modelling of the market can easily be overall wrong, and yet complex
enough to engage the explorer endlessly.
I've analyzed a couple of these schemes to draw that conclusion, though
it's tentative at best. Obviously there are mathematical models of the
market that do work, but I really don't know anything about them.
In this case though, I don't see the connection between planetary
configurations and a pure physical aspect of the market for them to
engage with. And as you may recall from somewhere, to establish
causality you must produce the causal link between the two sets of
events you're attempting to correlate. No matter how stunning an array
of coincidences might be, without producing the causal link you really
don't have anything. This is a key error that many who do statistical
analyses tend to overlook.
I looked at your CSV, but I'm not sure what you would like to add to it,
probably because I'm totally unfamiliar with this type of project.
Best in your endeavors,
Deborah
Peter Henry wrote, on Monday, April 10, 2017 11:58 AM
Hi Deborah,
Thanks your reply and interest,
A few years ago did create a Excel addin, that extracted planetary
coordinates from the Swisseph source code and populated excel
spreadsheet This Marco addin had customized planetary settings of which
I would be interested in seeing your Excel addin with customized
planetary settings. I'd be curious what these customizations would be,
though if they look useful I'd more likely be scavenging the code to
rewrite it in Python and add to what I already have, rather than using
the addin in Excel. The only thing not quite right about what I have is
the times, which are a smidge off. This could be due to planetary
anomalies, so I definitely would like to look at it.
I totally agree with all you said about Python and more. I didn't start
out in Python looking to replace Excel or to migrate my planetary
project to it, those things just happened along the way. But looking
around to see what was new and what was better than anything I'd done
before, Python was a natural choice.
I'll have to say though that I don't share your enthusiasm for modeling
the market with planetary relationships, indeed any mathematical
modelling of the market can easily be overall wrong, and yet complex
enough to engage the explorer endlessly.
I've analyzed a couple of these schemes to draw that conclusion, though
it's tentative at best. Obviously there are mathematical models of the
market that do work, but I really don't know anything about them.
In this case though, I don't see the connection between planetary
configurations and a pure physical aspect of the market for them to
engage with. And as you may recall from somewhere, to establish
causality you must produce the causal link between the two sets of
events you're attempting to correlate. No matter how stunning an array
of coincidences might be, without producing the causal link you really
don't have anything. This is a key error that many who do statistical
analyses tend to overlook.
I looked at your CSV, but I'm not sure what you would like to add to it,
probably because I'm totally unfamiliar with this type of project.
Best in your endeavors,
Deborah
Peter Henry wrote, on Monday, April 10, 2017 11:58 AM
Hi Deborah,
Thanks your reply and interest,
A few years ago did create a Excel addin, that extracted planetary
coordinates from the Swisseph source code and populated excel
Peter Henry
Apr 10, 2017, 4:56:47 PM4/10/17
to
Hi Deborah
Very few people would believe there is correlation between planetary cycles
and the stockmarket however this is known to select few, for many years, I
can also visually see relationship on charts, however its hard to quantify
statically
http://astrologynewsservice.com/business/study-confirms-plan
ets-impact-stock-market-averages/
I'll forward the Excel addin later it works on Windows 7 and require
updating to Win10
The idea is to create a full and complete program in Python only, that
would import stock data, generate planetary coordinates, pre process train
then predict
I'll keep you updated
Peter
On 10 Apr 2017 9:10 p.m., "Deborah Swanson" <pyt...@deborahswanson.net>
wrote:
Very few people would believe there is correlation between planetary cycles
and the stockmarket however this is known to select few, for many years, I
can also visually see relationship on charts, however its hard to quantify
statically
http://astrologynewsservice.com/business/study-confirms-plan
ets-impact-stock-market-averages/
I'll forward the Excel addin later it works on Windows 7 and require
updating to Win10
The idea is to create a full and complete program in Python only, that
would import stock data, generate planetary coordinates, pre process train
then predict
I'll keep you updated
Peter
On 10 Apr 2017 9:10 p.m., "Deborah Swanson" <pyt...@deborahswanson.net>
wrote:
Deborah Swanson
Apr 10, 2017, 6:13:12 PM4/10/17
to
Hi Peter
I'm willing to believe there's a correlation between planetary cycles
and the stockmarket, if you say you see one. The question is whether
this correlation has truth value significance, or whether it's just a
set of coincidences.
The correlation is interesting, but I fail to see the causal link, the
reason why planetary cycles necessarily have a relationship with market
movements, and without that all you have is coincidence.
Though one could spend a great deal of time analyzing the correlation, I
have low confidence that it would be a strong and reliable correlation.
This has been the fate of many other misadventures in astrology, systems
of belief built around weak and unreliable correlations that are
sometimes right, but more often wrong, sad to say.
I don't have Windows 7 or 10. Any chance there's source code for the
addin? That's what I would be looking at anyway. ;)
Best,
Deborah
Peter Henry wrote, on Monday, April 10, 2017 1:56 PM
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>
I'm willing to believe there's a correlation between planetary cycles
and the stockmarket, if you say you see one. The question is whether
this correlation has truth value significance, or whether it's just a
set of coincidences.
The correlation is interesting, but I fail to see the causal link, the
reason why planetary cycles necessarily have a relationship with market
movements, and without that all you have is coincidence.
Though one could spend a great deal of time analyzing the correlation, I
have low confidence that it would be a strong and reliable correlation.
This has been the fate of many other misadventures in astrology, systems
of belief built around weak and unreliable correlations that are
sometimes right, but more often wrong, sad to say.
I don't have Windows 7 or 10. Any chance there's source code for the
addin? That's what I would be looking at anyway. ;)
Best,
Deborah
Peter Henry wrote, on Monday, April 10, 2017 1:56 PM
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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Rustom Mody
Apr 11, 2017, 2:50:21 AM4/11/17
to
On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:26:47 AM UTC+5:30, Deborah Swanson wrote:
> The great ancients were no less endowed with intelligence than we are, they
> simply directed it to different ends.
And just when I was convinced by the all-knowers that my gpa was a monkey
> The great ancients were no less endowed with intelligence than we are, they
> simply directed it to different ends.
you've spoilt my complacence
> ... medical astrology...
whether that is hooey or scepticism of it is hooey, I dont know
[Yeah I genuinely don't know what that term means for you]
However you may be interested in
http://blog.languager.org/2016/01/how-long.html
which is a motley collection of the incredible persistence of humans to
erroneous ways and outlooks and their damaging consequences
[Frank Admission: That list started with a discussion on this list where I
suggested that OOP is already debunked hooey and that FP is the way forward
for programming.
To which Steven asked that since FP is at least 50 years old and has not got
very far, what makes one think its going anywhere...
To which I wondered... Is 50 years a long time? By what standard?
Hence that list
]
Rick Johnson
Apr 11, 2017, 8:37:26 PM4/11/17
to
On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 12:56:47 AM UTC-5, Deborah Swanson wrote:
> Fully recognizing that most of what you wrote was tongue-
> in-cheek, I just want to say that regardless of the wonders
> of modern medicine, it's a pity they learn so little about
> successful medicines other than their own. In other
> academic scientific disciplines such as physics and
> chemistry it's not uncommon to see history of science
> courses in the curriculum. But not in medicine. I learned
> what I know about ancient Greek science from a university
> physics professor, though I doubt he would ever have
> guessed that one of his students would someday breathe new
> life into that ancient science by attempting to ressurrect
> it. The great ancients were no less endowed with
> intelligence than we are, they simply directed it to
> different ends.
Hmm. I would say the ancients had a relatively "equal
> Fully recognizing that most of what you wrote was tongue-
> in-cheek, I just want to say that regardless of the wonders
> of modern medicine, it's a pity they learn so little about
> successful medicines other than their own. In other
> academic scientific disciplines such as physics and
> chemistry it's not uncommon to see history of science
> courses in the curriculum. But not in medicine. I learned
> what I know about ancient Greek science from a university
> physics professor, though I doubt he would ever have
> guessed that one of his students would someday breathe new
> life into that ancient science by attempting to ressurrect
> it. The great ancients were no less endowed with
> intelligence than we are, they simply directed it to
> different ends.
intellectual capacity" as we moderns, but with far less
empirical evidence from which to theorize from.
Personally. i'm highly skeptical of astrology -- but being
that you're writing an application to categorize and present
this raw data in an intuitive form for study -- based purely
on the learing experience _alone_, i think the project has
merit. Hopefully your constantly pushing your technical
boundaries: learning new libraries; learning new languages;
experimenting with cutting-edge algorithms, etc.
I'm firmly convinced that time spent writing code is never
wasted, because programming is perpetual problem solving and
honing your problem solving skills can be beneficial to all
aspects of life. Many times you'll find the answer to one
problem while trying to solve another. Problem solving is
the task that consistently bears intellectual fruit. And
that's why i love writing code. It always presents me with a
challenge to overcome, or a riddle to solve.
jmp
Apr 12, 2017, 7:56:22 AM4/12/17
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On 04/10/2017 07:29 AM, Deborah Swanson wrote:
> Fully recognizing that most of what you wrote was tongue-in-cheek, I
2/ history of science is about history, not actual science
3/ Ancients were probably as intelligent as we are, they just lacked a
proper education and were filled with many false information
I can understand why people would study ancient medicines, I don't when
they decide to consider it actual applicable science. It could be
harmful in some cases.
But since it's done in Python, I guess we can let it slide :o)
jm
> Fully recognizing that most of what you wrote was tongue-in-cheek, I
> just want to say that regardless of the wonders of modern medicine, it's
> a pity they learn so little about successful medicines other than their
> own. In other academic scientific disciplines such as physics and
> chemistry it's not uncommon to see history of science courses in the
> curriculum. But not in medicine. I learned what I know about ancient
> Greek science from a university physics professor, though I doubt he
> would ever have guessed that one of his students would someday breathe
> new life into that ancient science by attempting to ressurrect it. The
> great ancients were no less endowed with intelligence than we are, they
> simply directed it to different ends.
1/ success of medicine astrology is yet to be demonstrated
> a pity they learn so little about successful medicines other than their
> own. In other academic scientific disciplines such as physics and
> chemistry it's not uncommon to see history of science courses in the
> curriculum. But not in medicine. I learned what I know about ancient
> Greek science from a university physics professor, though I doubt he
> would ever have guessed that one of his students would someday breathe
> new life into that ancient science by attempting to ressurrect it. The
> great ancients were no less endowed with intelligence than we are, they
> simply directed it to different ends.
2/ history of science is about history, not actual science
3/ Ancients were probably as intelligent as we are, they just lacked a
proper education and were filled with many false information
I can understand why people would study ancient medicines, I don't when
they decide to consider it actual applicable science. It could be
harmful in some cases.
But since it's done in Python, I guess we can let it slide :o)
jm
Deborah Swanson
Apr 13, 2017, 4:40:16 AM4/13/17
to
>
> Rustom Mody wrote, on Monday, April 10, 2017 11:50 PM
> thinking they're the smartest humans to ever walk this earth.
> We've gone farther with technology than any other time or
> culture, but invention (and innovation) is only one aspect of
> intelligence.
> interpretation of the orginal rules that you won't by find
> googling "medical astrology". (I know, I've tried, in the old
> Google as well as the new.) There's no pretension to mystic
> art in my form, but mine's a lot more accurate and
> information rich, so far as I can see in the few writings
> about it. I think concentrating on the actual and valid
> relationships while ignoring all the mysticism yields more
> useful results. I know the ancient Greeks were wed to their
> gods and I forgive them for that. I just think they would
> have done better without the mythology.
> other concepts and perceptions, notably in music and
> mathematics (which were always linked in earlier times).
>
> I would find your other examples of erroneous thinking a bit
> skewed in lengths of time. Tofler was right in Future Shock.
> We've accelerated our intellectual development since the
> Middle Ages, though I don't think it's because we're any
> smarter. I can't remember exactly when it was that the human
> brain reached it's current size and mental capacity, but it
> was shortly before the time of the ancients. Physiologically
> we've changed very little since then, but the knowledge base
> we've built on over time was what eventually caused the
> acceleration. No single person in modern times is
> intellectually capable of buiding the concepts we now use
> from scratch. We stand on the shoulders of giants.
> accelerated times we're living in. LISP is likely doomed
> though. It's chief claim to fame was AI, and it's unlikely to
> reclaim its former glory, not with languages like Python
> leading the charge. My only contact with LISP was from a
> computer science professor in 1975, who literally raved about
> how superior LISP was. I dunno. I was doing AI in PL1 then
> and had several debates with this fellow. I don't remember
> much of the substance of those debates, but I know he never
> persuaded me that LISP was superior to PL1.
>
> Deborah
>
> Rustom Mody wrote, on Monday, April 10, 2017 11:50 PM
> >
> > On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:26:47 AM UTC+5:30, Deborah Swanson
> > wrote:
> > On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:26:47 AM UTC+5:30, Deborah Swanson
> > wrote:
> > > The great ancients were no less endowed with intelligence than we
are,
> > > they simply directed it to different ends.
> >
are,
> > > they simply directed it to different ends.
> >
> > And just when I was convinced by the all-knowers that my gpa
> > was a monkey you've spoilt my complacence
>
> Good! It's unhealthy the way modern folk strut around
> > was a monkey you've spoilt my complacence
>
> thinking they're the smartest humans to ever walk this earth.
> We've gone farther with technology than any other time or
> culture, but invention (and innovation) is only one aspect of
> intelligence.
>
> > > ... medical astrology...
> >
> > whether that is hooey or scepticism of it is hooey, I dont
> > know [Yeah I genuinely don't know what that term means for you]
>
> I don't know that anyone does. I use a very strict
> > > ... medical astrology...
> >
> > whether that is hooey or scepticism of it is hooey, I dont
> > know [Yeah I genuinely don't know what that term means for you]
>
> interpretation of the orginal rules that you won't by find
> googling "medical astrology". (I know, I've tried, in the old
> Google as well as the new.) There's no pretension to mystic
> art in my form, but mine's a lot more accurate and
> information rich, so far as I can see in the few writings
> about it. I think concentrating on the actual and valid
> relationships while ignoring all the mysticism yields more
> useful results. I know the ancient Greeks were wed to their
> gods and I forgive them for that. I just think they would
> have done better without the mythology.
>
> > However you may be interested in
> > http://blog.languager.org/2016/01/how-long.html
> > which is a > motley collection of the incredible
> > persistence of humans to erroneous ways and outlooks and
> > their damaging consequences
>
> I think you also talk about the incredible persistence of
> > However you may be interested in
> > http://blog.languager.org/2016/01/how-long.html
> > which is a > motley collection of the incredible
> > persistence of humans to erroneous ways and outlooks and
> > their damaging consequences
>
> other concepts and perceptions, notably in music and
> mathematics (which were always linked in earlier times).
>
> I would find your other examples of erroneous thinking a bit
> skewed in lengths of time. Tofler was right in Future Shock.
> We've accelerated our intellectual development since the
> Middle Ages, though I don't think it's because we're any
> smarter. I can't remember exactly when it was that the human
> brain reached it's current size and mental capacity, but it
> was shortly before the time of the ancients. Physiologically
> we've changed very little since then, but the knowledge base
> we've built on over time was what eventually caused the
> acceleration. No single person in modern times is
> intellectually capable of buiding the concepts we now use
> from scratch. We stand on the shoulders of giants.
>
> > [Frank Admission: That list started with a discussion on this list
> > where I
> > suggested that OOP is already debunked hooey and that FP is
> > the way forward for programming. To which Steven asked that
> > since FP is at least 50 years old and has not got
> > very far, what makes one think its going anywhere...
> > To which I wondered... Is 50 years a long time? By what standard?
> > Hence that list ]
>
> 50 years isn't that long, though you must consider the
> > [Frank Admission: That list started with a discussion on this list
> > where I
> > suggested that OOP is already debunked hooey and that FP is
> > the way forward for programming. To which Steven asked that
> > since FP is at least 50 years old and has not got
> > very far, what makes one think its going anywhere...
> > To which I wondered... Is 50 years a long time? By what standard?
> > Hence that list ]
>
> accelerated times we're living in. LISP is likely doomed
> though. It's chief claim to fame was AI, and it's unlikely to
> reclaim its former glory, not with languages like Python
> leading the charge. My only contact with LISP was from a
> computer science professor in 1975, who literally raved about
> how superior LISP was. I dunno. I was doing AI in PL1 then
> and had several debates with this fellow. I don't remember
> much of the substance of those debates, but I know he never
> persuaded me that LISP was superior to PL1.
>
> Deborah
>
Deborah Swanson
Apr 13, 2017, 4:40:16 AM4/13/17
to
Rustom Mody wrote, on Monday, April 10, 2017 11:50 PM
>
>
> On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:26:47 AM UTC+5:30, Deborah Swanson
wrote:
> > The great ancients were no less endowed with intelligence than we
are,
> > they simply directed it to different ends.
>
> And just when I was convinced by the all-knowers that my gpa
> was a monkey you've spoilt my complacence
wrote:
> > The great ancients were no less endowed with intelligence than we
are,
> > they simply directed it to different ends.
>
> And just when I was convinced by the all-knowers that my gpa
> was a monkey you've spoilt my complacence
Good! It's unhealthy the way modern folk strut around thinking they're
the smartest humans to ever walk this earth. We've gone farther with
technology than any other time or culture, but invention (and
innovation) is only one aspect of intelligence.
the smartest humans to ever walk this earth. We've gone farther with
technology than any other time or culture, but invention (and
innovation) is only one aspect of intelligence.
> > ... medical astrology...
>
> whether that is hooey or scepticism of it is hooey, I dont
> know [Yeah I genuinely don't know what that term means for you]
>
> whether that is hooey or scepticism of it is hooey, I dont
> know [Yeah I genuinely don't know what that term means for you]
I don't know that anyone does. I use a very strict interpretation of the
orginal rules that you won't by find googling "medical astrology". (I
know, I've tried, in the old Google as well as the new.) There's no
pretension to mystic art in my form, but mine's a lot more accurate and
information rich, so far as I can see in the few writings about it. I
think concentrating on the actual and valid relationships while ignoring
all the mysticism yields more useful results. I know the ancient Greeks
were wed to their gods and I forgive them for that. I just think they
would have done better without the mythology.
orginal rules that you won't by find googling "medical astrology". (I
know, I've tried, in the old Google as well as the new.) There's no
pretension to mystic art in my form, but mine's a lot more accurate and
information rich, so far as I can see in the few writings about it. I
think concentrating on the actual and valid relationships while ignoring
all the mysticism yields more useful results. I know the ancient Greeks
were wed to their gods and I forgive them for that. I just think they
would have done better without the mythology.
> However you may be interested in
> http://blog.languager.org/2016/01/how-long.html
> which is a > motley collection of the incredible
> persistence of humans to erroneous ways and outlooks and
> their damaging consequences
> http://blog.languager.org/2016/01/how-long.html
> which is a > motley collection of the incredible
> persistence of humans to erroneous ways and outlooks and
> their damaging consequences
I think you also talk about the incredible persistence of other concepts
and perceptions, notably in music and mathematics (which were always
linked in earlier times).
I would find your other examples of erroneous thinking a bit skewed in
lengths of time. Tofler was right in Future Shock. We've accelerated our
intellectual development since the Middle Ages, though I don't think
it's because we're any smarter. I can't remember exactly when it was
that the human brain reached it's current size and mental capacity, but
it was shortly before the time of the ancients. Physiologically we've
changed very little since then, but the knowledge base we've built on
over time was what eventually caused the acceleration. No single person
in modern times is intellectually capable of buiding the concepts we now
use from scratch. We stand on the shoulders of giants.
and perceptions, notably in music and mathematics (which were always
linked in earlier times).
I would find your other examples of erroneous thinking a bit skewed in
lengths of time. Tofler was right in Future Shock. We've accelerated our
intellectual development since the Middle Ages, though I don't think
it's because we're any smarter. I can't remember exactly when it was
that the human brain reached it's current size and mental capacity, but
it was shortly before the time of the ancients. Physiologically we've
changed very little since then, but the knowledge base we've built on
over time was what eventually caused the acceleration. No single person
in modern times is intellectually capable of buiding the concepts we now
use from scratch. We stand on the shoulders of giants.
> [Frank Admission: That list started with a discussion on this list
where I
> suggested that OOP is already debunked hooey and that FP is
> the way forward for programming. To which Steven asked that
> since FP is at least 50 years old and has not got
> very far, what makes one think its going anywhere...
> To which I wondered... Is 50 years a long time? By what standard?
> Hence that list ]
where I
> suggested that OOP is already debunked hooey and that FP is
> the way forward for programming. To which Steven asked that
> since FP is at least 50 years old and has not got
> very far, what makes one think its going anywhere...
> To which I wondered... Is 50 years a long time? By what standard?
> Hence that list ]
Rustom Mody
Apr 13, 2017, 8:39:38 AM4/13/17
to
On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 2:10:16 PM UTC+5:30, Deborah Swanson wrote:
> Rustom Mody wrote, on Monday, April 10, 2017 11:50 PM
> >
> > On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:26:47 AM UTC+5:30, Deborah Swanson
> wrote:
> > > The great ancients were no less endowed with intelligence than we
> are,
> > > they simply directed it to different ends.
> >
> > And just when I was convinced by the all-knowers that my gpa
> > was a monkey you've spoilt my complacence
>
> Good! It's unhealthy the way modern folk strut around thinking they're
> the smartest humans to ever walk this earth. We've gone farther with
> technology than any other time or culture, but invention (and
> innovation) is only one aspect of intelligence.
Quote from Peter Landin, one of the precursors of modern functional programming:
> Rustom Mody wrote, on Monday, April 10, 2017 11:50 PM
> >
> > On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:26:47 AM UTC+5:30, Deborah Swanson
> wrote:
> > > The great ancients were no less endowed with intelligence than we
> are,
> > > they simply directed it to different ends.
> >
> > And just when I was convinced by the all-knowers that my gpa
> > was a monkey you've spoilt my complacence
>
> Good! It's unhealthy the way modern folk strut around thinking they're
> the smartest humans to ever walk this earth. We've gone farther with
> technology than any other time or culture, but invention (and
> innovation) is only one aspect of intelligence.
Most papers in computer science describe how their author learned what someone else already knew
[And this dates from 60s/70s]
Applies beyond just CS…
Rick Johnson
Apr 15, 2017, 12:57:07 AM4/15/17
to
On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 7:39:38 AM UTC-5, Rustom Mody wrote:
> Quote from Peter Landin, one of the precursors of modern
> functional programming: Most papers in computer science
> describe how their author learned what someone else already
> knew [And this dates from 60s/70s] Applies beyond just
> CS…
There are very few truely orignal ideas. Most of what we
> Quote from Peter Landin, one of the precursors of modern
> functional programming: Most papers in computer science
> describe how their author learned what someone else already
> knew [And this dates from 60s/70s] Applies beyond just
> CS…
say, do and know are derivative works. For example; the
kernel of Python was formed in the mind of Guido from his
observations of another language called "ABC" -- he saw many
good ideas in ABC, but also, many design flaws (kinda coming
full circle now, eh?). The key to success in evolution is to
propagate the good traits whilst discarding the bad ones.
And like most other languages, Python is simply an evolution
of many likable traits with a few new features sprinkled on
top to "sweeten the pot".
Much is the same in any field of study. There are countless
examples of theorists and experimentors who knew the answers
long before the "named discoverer" was given credit for the
supposed discovery. In the reams of the historical record,
many times, good communication skills and friends in
academic/political circles can be the difference between a
Nobel laureate and a nobody.
Peter Henry
Apr 17, 2017, 5:11:20 AM4/17/17
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Hi
I hired a programmer to help to extract data for windows 10 64 Bit system
You will be able generate data and use for your models, the idea is to
eventually get Swiss Ephemeris working as phython file
Create folder and use and drop Swedll64.dll and Swetest64.exe into same
folder as spreadsheet
Happy Easter
I hired a programmer to help to extract data for windows 10 64 Bit system
You will be able generate data and use for your models, the idea is to
eventually get Swiss Ephemeris working as phython file
Create folder and use and drop Swedll64.dll and Swetest64.exe into same
folder as spreadsheet
Happy Easter
prit...@yantrajaal.com
Jul 28, 2019, 12:22:43 AM7/28/19
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Hello Peter
I too was looking for a pythonic implementation of Swiss Ephemeris and arrived at https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyswisseph
After some fiddling around with the various parameters, I have finally made it work to calculate Ayanamsa, Planetary Body Positions & Speed and Ascendant ( which is essentially what I need for Indic Astrology )
If you want to see a working demo of the entire software please check my Google Colab Notebook located at http://bit.ly/2yhu9Cz
In case you are not aware, Colab is free hosted environment for running python program on an Ubuntu platform.
Cheers
Prithwis
I too was looking for a pythonic implementation of Swiss Ephemeris and arrived at https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyswisseph
After some fiddling around with the various parameters, I have finally made it work to calculate Ayanamsa, Planetary Body Positions & Speed and Ascendant ( which is essentially what I need for Indic Astrology )
If you want to see a working demo of the entire software please check my Google Colab Notebook located at http://bit.ly/2yhu9Cz
In case you are not aware, Colab is free hosted environment for running python program on an Ubuntu platform.
Cheers
Prithwis
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