Simulating a spreadsheet in PCL?

[JJ]

Hi folks,

Hoping someone out there will have some tips or tricks for me. Or can
direct me in the right direction.

I'd like to be able to read in a CSV file that my system creates into a PCL
file and somehow simulate the cells that you would see in an Excel
spreadsheet. In other words, I need the little cells/boxes around the
numerical data or it will be just too hard to read.

If I can get this data into some sort of PCL "grid", I can convert that to
PDF and my users would be much happier with the PDF files vs. the CSV files
they get now. Even though the current CSV opens into Excel with no problem.
They much prefer the manual PDF files I was making daily. But this job now
runs seven days a week and I can't always be sitting AT my desk to make the
file manually at the same time every day of my life. So, I automated it but
at the time, could only create a CSV for them.

Can anyone direct me on how best to create "cells" or boxes in PCL around
data like this?

Thx in advance, JJ

[Mark T. B. Carroll]

"JJ" <jefferson...@hotmail.com> writes:
(snip)

> I'd like to be able to read in a CSV file that my system creates into a PCL
> file and somehow simulate the cells that you would see in an Excel
> spreadsheet. In other words, I need the little cells/boxes around the
> numerical data or it will be just too hard to read.

I don't know if you have to worry about wrapping onto multiple pages or
anything, which complicates things a little extra, but it should be
fairly easy to write a program that reads your CSV and writes out
PostScript that renders what you want, then there are opensource tools
that can convert PostScript to PCL. Let us know a bit about what extra
complications might exist, like multiple pages or multi-cell-spanning
special cells, if you want to do something like this and would like
further help. For instance, you mention numerical data: does it need
some special justification, like right- or by-decimal-point or anything?
And, there isn't any special character or font stuff to worry about,
like text in Hebrew? Is the simplest one-page center-all-data or
whatever good enough?

Mark

[JJ]

"Mark T. B. Carroll" <mt...@bcs.org> wrote in message
news:87k41we...@ixod.org...

>
> I don't know if you have to worry about wrapping onto multiple pages or
> anything, which complicates things a little extra, but it should be
> fairly easy to write a program that reads your CSV and writes out
> PostScript that renders what you want, then there are opensource tools
> that can convert PostScript to PCL. Let us know a bit about what extra
> complications might exist, like multiple pages or multi-cell-spanning
> special cells, if you want to do something like this and would like
> further help. For instance, you mention numerical data: does it need
> some special justification, like right- or by-decimal-point or anything?
> And, there isn't any special character or font stuff to worry about,
> like text in Hebrew? Is the simplest one-page center-all-data or
> whatever good enough?
>
> Mark

Hi Mark,

It would be three pages long so I would like to page break and there are all
column headers. But otherwise, it's just straight numbers. It's a daily
report and the days of the month are the first column.

1 - 31 or however many days in the month. Then data in rows for each day of
the month. It runs every day populating each day as it goes along.

I've written stuff in PCL before. We use it quite a bit but not the
"graphics" so much with grids or lines. Finding info on that is hard and I
do have PCL manuals.

I have no experience with post script and adding another conversion is not
ideal. So, I'd rather try to write something directly in PCL and just run
one conversion we have to PDF.

Thanks for the info! JJ

[SaGS]

On Apr 4, 2:13 pm, "JJ" <jeffersonjj.nos...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Mark T. B. Carroll" <m...@bcs.org> wrote in messagenews:87k41we...@ixod.org...
> ...

> I've written stuff in PCL before.  We use it quite a bit but not the
> "graphics" so much with grids or lines.  Finding info on that is hard and I
> do have PCL manuals.

In PCL, the easiest way to draw horizontal/ vertical lines is to draw
narrow rectangles. If you have the PCL Reference, take a look at the
PCL Rectangular Area Fill command; you basically set current point,
width & height, pattern/ shade of gray and then draw the rectangle.
(If you don’t have the PCL Reference Manual, do a Google search for
"site:hp.com PCL Reference manual".)

>
> I have no experience with post script and adding another conversion is not
> ideal.  So, I'd rather try to write something directly in PCL and just run
> one conversion we have to PDF.

It’s actually easier to do it in PostScript from the start (not
yourApp->PCL->PS->PDF or yourApp->PS->PCL->PDF, but yourApp->PS->PDF),
and there are already-made tools to help. In case you’ll want to give
it a try, one that I know of (but have not used) is TinyDict with its
TinyTables. Basically you use a fixed prologue (the tool), then emit
your text with markup commands.
http://www.cappella.demon.co.uk/tinyfiles/tinymenu.html#resources

> ...

[JJ]

"SaGS" <sags...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c8a3ce2a-2cd2-4248...@dc2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...

Thanks. I do have PCL manuals and have done a rectangle and even filled
with color so that does appear to be the way to go.

For us, we already have the ability to do PCL -> PDF. So, I'm trying to do
this with tools and functions we already have in place. We convert 100's of
PCL files to PDF daily and I can just use that existing function for this.

Many thanks! JJ

[Mark T. B. Carroll]

"JJ" <jefferson...@hotmail.com> writes:
(snip)

> It’s actually easier to do it in PostScript from the start (not
> yourApp->PCL->PS->PDF or yourApp->PS->PCL->PDF, but yourApp->PS->PDF),
> and there are already-made tools to help.

yourApp->XeTeX->PDF may be easier still, it doesn't sound like we're
talking about hundreds of pages per second. (-:

Good luck with whatever you choose, though. I haven't used PCL directly
much at all myself so I'm not much help with your hoped-for path.

Mark

[JJ]

"Mark T. B. Carroll" <mt...@bcs.org> wrote in message

news:87bon68...@ixod.org...

> yourApp->XeTeX->PDF may be easier still, it doesn't sound like we're
> talking about hundreds of pages per second. (-:
>
> Good luck with whatever you choose, though. I haven't used PCL directly
> much at all myself so I'm not much help with your hoped-for path.
>
> Mark

Thanks! JJ

[luser- -droog]

I second the recommendations to ditch PCL and go straight for
postscript.

Here's my take on a postscript form from CSV data. This is generated
by a
PERL script which transforms the CSV formatting into a postscript
array.

Since I also controlled the creation of the CSV files, I could get
away
with a very simple transform:
chomp;
s/^/{(/;
s/,/)(/g;
s/$/)}/;
print;



530(1)01:01 PM:sindex 0> cat form.ps
%!
% persuade acrobat reader to obey the numbers
[ {Catalog} << /ViewerPreferences << /PrintScaling /None >> >> /PUT
pdfmark


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