PL1 on Windows 64bit machines

[Tim C.]

So I'm back briefly after a long gap. I recognise most of the names :-)


I'm looking for an officially supported by IBM PL1 compiler that runs under
Windows 7 (either 32 or 64 bit, it's not too important)
and the executables must run on 64 bit windows machines (Windows 2008
servers, I think).

The executables must also be callable from Visual Studio (this works fine
using our old code compiled with our VisualAge PL/I for Windows V2.R1.08
compiler).

Will the compiler that comes in the Enterprise zOS package do the trick?
Can anyone help shed some light please?

--
Tim C.

[robin....@gmail.com]

On Monday, 18 June 2012 22:31:07 UTC+10, Tim C. wrote:

> I'm looking for an officially supported by IBM PL1 compiler that runs under
> Windows 7 (either 32 or 64 bit, it's not too important)
> and the executables must run on 64 bit windows machines (Windows 2008
> servers, I think).
>
> The executables must also be callable from Visual Studio (this works fine
> using our old code compiled with our VisualAge PL/I for Windows V2.R1.08
> compiler).
>
> Will the compiler that comes in the Enterprise zOS package do the trick?
> Can anyone help shed some light please?

Jalih is using PL/I on Windows 7. He might be able to comment.

[Tim C.]

On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 08:57:04 -0700 (PDT), robin....@gmail.com wrote in
post : <news:9a63f877-f6b3-4861...@googlegroups.com> :

We gave up initially on Win7, but since then the situation has changed and
we want to try again. Our technical dept. will only accept official fully
supported (by IBM) solutions. I want to find out what our options are
anyway, just in case I can persuade them.

--
Tim C.

[robin....@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:26:42 UTC+10, Tim C. wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 08:57:04 -0700 (PDT), robin.....@gmail.com wrote in
> post : <news:9a63f877-f6b3-4861-89d7-b13....@googlegroups.com> :

> > Jalih is using PL/I on Windows 7. He might be able to comment.
>
> We gave up initially on Win7, but since then the situation has changed and
> we want to try again. Our technical dept. will only accept official fully
> supported (by IBM) solutions. I want to find out what our options are
> anyway, just in case I can persuade them.

He's using IBM's PL/I.
You can either wait for him to see your query, or
you can contact him directly. See his earlier post of snake game.

[jalih]

On Monday, June 18, 2012 3:31:07 PM UTC+3, Tim C. wrote:
>
> I'm looking for an officially supported by IBM PL1 compiler that runs under
> Windows 7 (either 32 or 64 bit, it's not too important)
> and the executables must run on 64 bit windows machines (Windows 2008
> servers, I think).
>

I have tested IBM PL/I on 64-bit Windows 7 and 32-bit Windows Vista. It seems to work just fine.

Download a trial from the IBM website for the IBM Rational Developer for zEnterprise and test whether it works for your purposes.

If I recall correctly, you must run the installer in compatibility mode (Windows XP (Service Pack 2) to be able to install the IBM Windows PL/I compiler. Windows PL/I compiler is also marked as depreciated in the installer and might be removed in future versions.

[Robert AH Prins]

...an officially supported by IBM PL1 compiler...

The RDz compiler (PL/I for Windows V8.0) is not supported in any way,
shape, of form. In fact, in the current version of RDz is serves just as
a syntax checker. It is also buggy (in the optimizer) and IBM has
currently no plans whatsoever to do anything about it.

Robert
--
Robert AH Prins
robert(a)prino(d)org

[Tim C.]

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:20:10 -0700 (PDT), jalih wrote in post :
<news:10829360-8d37-46d6...@googlegroups.com> :

Thanks Jalih, that's exactly what I wanted to know. :)
--
Tim C.

[Tim C.]

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:27:36 +0000, Robert AH Prins wrote in post :
<news:a4bnjp...@mid.individual.net> :

Interesting. I might have trouble persuading thech support on that, but
it's worth a try anyway.

--
Tim C.

[robin....@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, 20 June 2012 04:27:36 UTC+10, Robert AH Prins wrote:
> On 2012-06-19 15:20, jalih wrote:
> > On Monday, June 18, 2012 3:31:07 PM UTC+3, Tim C. wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm looking for an officially supported by IBM PL1 compiler that
> >> runs under Windows 7 (either 32 or 64 bit, it's not too important)
> >> and the executables must run on 64 bit windows machines (Windows
> >> 2008 servers, I think).
> >>
> >
> > I have tested IBM PL/I on 64-bit Windows 7 and 32-bit Windows Vista.
> > It seems to work just fine.
> >
> > Download a trial from the IBM website for the IBM Rational Developer
> > for zEnterprise and test whether it works for your purposes.
> >
> > If I recall correctly, you must run the installer in compatibility
> > mode (Windows XP (Service Pack 2) to be able to install the IBM
> > Windows PL/I compiler. Windows PL/I compiler is also marked as
> > depreciated in the installer and might be removed in future
> > versions.
>
> ...an officially supported by IBM PL1 compiler...
>
> The RDz compiler (PL/I for Windows V8.0) is not supported in any way,
> shape, of form.

That's not correct.

> In fact, in the current version of RDz is serves just as
> a syntax checker.

It does? How come it produces code?

> It is also buggy (in the optimizer)

If it's a syntax checker, how come it has an optimizer?

> and IBM has
> currently no plans whatsoever to do anything about it.

You're wrong. Maintenance is continuing.

You would know that from Peter Elderon's email to the PL/I Listserver
in January this year, where he spoke of getting a bug fixed.

What does that tell you?

[Robert AH Prins]

Tim,

Both my "From" and "Reply-To" email addresses are valid, contact me
off-list if you want, RV lives in a parallel universe that is light
years away from reality.

[Tim C.]

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:20:10 -0700 (PDT), jalih wrote in post :
<news:10829360-8d37-46d6...@googlegroups.com> :

As an update.
I am currently in the early stages of testing the compiler that was
delivered with RD for z. As you said, the RD system needs to be installed
in Win XP compatibility mode, but otherwise the compiler seems to work ok.

As I said early days yet. Will post back when I have some significant
results.

A Single User Licence list price is over €5000/year, and a single floating
licence is over €9000/year. Fairly hefty I say, when you only want one tiny
bit of the whole thing. (That's without VAT so add around 20% or so).



--
Tim C. Linz, Austria.

[Robert AH Prins]

On 2013-07-30 12:26, Tim C. wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:20:10 -0700 (PDT), jalih wrote in post :
> <news:10829360-8d37-46d6...@googlegroups.com> :
>
>> On Monday, June 18, 2012 3:31:07 PM UTC+3, Tim C. wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm looking for an officially supported by IBM PL1 compiler that runs under
>>> Windows 7 (either 32 or 64 bit, it's not too important)
>>> and the executables must run on 64 bit windows machines (Windows 2008
>>> servers, I think).
>>>
>>
>> I have tested IBM PL/I on 64-bit Windows 7 and 32-bit Windows Vista. It seems to work just fine.
>>
>> Download a trial from the IBM website for the IBM Rational Developer for zEnterprise and test whether it works for your purposes.
>>
>> If I recall correctly, you must run the installer in compatibility mode (Windows XP (Service Pack 2) to be able to install the IBM Windows PL/I compiler. Windows PL/I compiler is also marked as depreciated in the installer and might be removed in future versions.
>
> As an update.
> I am currently in the early stages of testing the compiler that was
> delivered with RD for z. As you said, the RD system needs to be installed
> in Win XP compatibility mode, but otherwise the compiler seems to work ok.
>
> As I said early days yet. Will post back when I have some significant
> results.
>

> A Single User Licence list price is over �5000/year, and a single floating
> licence is over �9000/year. Fairly hefty I say, when you only want one tiny

> bit of the whole thing. (That's without VAT so add around 20% or so).

RDz V9.0 no longer includes the PL/I or COBOL for Windows compilers, so
continuing support seems doubtful, at least for the present time.

[Tim C.]

On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 18:58:02 +0000, Robert AH Prins wrote in post :
<news:b5q9if...@mid.individual.net> :

The IBM salesperson directed me to a trial download page for V9.0, but the
documentation linked to from there is for 8.5, which I did download.

[Tim C.]

On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 08:23:22 +0200, Tim C. wrote in post :
<news:76bujnoxkjno$.lokibk5u...@40tude.net> :

There is the pli compiler (PL/I for Windows 8.5 ) in v9.0 it I haven't
got it to run properly yet though, the backend abends. But I'll stick with
trying v8.0 for the moment, until I can find some more time to investigate.

[Robert AH Prins]

I've dissected RDz 9.0 looking for pli.exe but came up with nothing, and now you
say it's in there, that's very interesting. I guess I will have to do some more
dissecting!

[Tim C.]

On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:50:00 +0000, Robert AH Prins wrote in post :
<news:b5s8cc...@mid.individual.net> :

I can't get to the PC we installed it on at the moment. A colleague(who is
now on holiday until Monday) found it so I don't know exactly where it was.
Will get back to you if I find out where it was.

[Tim C.]

>> I've dissected RDz 9.0 looking for pli.exe but came up with nothing, and now you
>> say it's in there, that's very interesting. I guess I will have to do some more
>> dissecting!
>>

Robrt, my colleague found it here:
...\IBM\SDPShared\plugins\com.ibm.ccl.pli.win32_7.3.600.v20130415_1752\importer

Don't know if that's what you're looking for. It's not in the SDP directory
itself, but in the shared directory that gets installed alongside it.

[Irwan Aranya]

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 at 2:58:02 AM UTC+8, Robert AH Prins wrote:
> On 2013-07-30 12:26, Tim C. wrote:
> > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:20:10 -0700 (PDT), jalih wrote in post :
> > <news:10829360-8d37-46d6...@googlegroups.com> :
> >
> >> On Monday, June 18, 2012 3:31:07 PM UTC+3, Tim C. wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm looking for an officially supported by IBM PL1 compiler that runs under
> >>> Windows 7 (either 32 or 64 bit, it's not too important)
> >>> and the executables must run on 64 bit windows machines (Windows 2008
> >>> servers, I think).
> >>>

I had problems running "IBM Visualge PLI for wndows" under windows 7 but that problem is solved by using windows 7 professional and installing windows virtual PC. Under windows virtual PC you can install "windows/XP mode" and so you get full windows/XP SP3 installed under windows 7 professional. Then you can install "IBM visulaage PLI for windows" in windows/xp mode without any problems. One other requirement is that your PC hardware has virtualization hardware support.

About Windows vitual PC please see https://helpdeskgeek.com/windows-7/windows-7-xp-mode/