[IDE] - The Dynamic Opportunity - ActiveState Komodo IDE / Open Source
Ilias Lazaridis
[I will read the other groups, too]
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The following suggestions result out of an one-day website review of
Active State [1].
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http://lazaridis.com/samples/com/ActiveState/
*Suggestions:*
Near Future:
*Open* Source the Komodo IDE.
Immediately:
*Free* the Personal Edition for non-commercial use (now $29,95 ).
*Change* "killer" to "dynamic": Komodo - The Dynamic IDE.
*Clarify* product overview on the home page.
*Simplify* Komodo Trial download.
*Automate* license installation.
*Enhance* Company Section
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As a first step, a free personal edition (non-commercial and academic
use) would help to spread the Komodo IDE within the communities.
This would be a gentle contribution to the open source dynamic
languages, which are a foundation for the ActiveStates business.
An Open Source Komodo IDE would allow the several dynamic language
communities to collaborate on a common goal.
Dynamic Language are more powerfull than just for scripting, aren't
they? Placing this power on top of an huge java source-code base, like
eclipse is, reduces this power [3].
ActiveState has everything needed, including the backup of Sophos [4], a
large scale company in the threat-management domain (which would benefit
from an open-source implementation, too).
This could (at a later point) become similar to the eclipse [2] project,
but specialized on dynamic languages.
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If you think that an Open Source Komodo IDE would be of benefit for the
dynamic languages, just ensure to spread this thought around.
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Any comments are very welcome.
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[1] - http://www.activestate.com
[2] - http://www.eclipse.org
[3] - http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/dltk/
[4] - http://www.sophos.com/
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Matt Garrish
"Ilias Lazaridis" <il...@lazaridis.com> wrote in message
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> followup to comp.lang.perl.misc
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> [I will read the other groups, too]
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> The following suggestions result out of an one-day website review of
> Active State [1].
>
> -
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> http://lazaridis.com/samples/com/ActiveState/
>
> *Suggestions:*
>
> Near Future:
> *Open* Source the Komodo IDE.
>
> Immediately:
> *Free* the Personal Edition for non-commercial use (now $29,95 ).
>
> This would be a gentle contribution to the open source dynamic
> languages, which are a foundation for the ActiveStates business.
>
So, in other words, you just don't want to pay for an IDE? I have no problem
with them charging for it, since it's neither essential nor necessary for
developing in any of the languages it supports. And if those sales translate
into their survival and continued support of the open-source languages you
take for granted, then maybe they should up the price.
Matt
Vladimir Agafonkin
TERRIBLY slow. To compare, for example, if a recent quiz program does
it's job in 0.2 seconds in Eclipse, in Komodo the execution time is
something like 120 seconds. Even simple "Hello World" program executes
in 10 seconds or so! Totally unusable.
umpt...@gmail.com
a commercially developed tool and it is natural that the developers
should want to eat. The website seems fine also.
Adding an API so that people could write extensions in the various
languages Komodo supports might be a excellent idea.
Larry W. Virden
editor?
Ilias Lazaridis
factor 600.
this would be one more reason to open source the IDE.
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But I think you should notify the support about this issue.
Or... check up your setup.
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Ilias Lazaridis
> "Ilias Lazaridis" <il...@lazaridis.com> wrote in message
> news:drbmep$b19$1...@usenet.otenet.gr...
>>*Suggestions:*
>>
>>Near Future:
>> *Open* Source the Komodo IDE.
>>
>>Immediately:
>> *Free* the Personal Edition for non-commercial use (now $29,95 ).
>
>
>>This would be a gentle contribution to the open source dynamic
>>languages, which are a foundation for the ActiveStates business.
>
> So, in other words, you just don't want to pay for an IDE?
It's not about me personally.
> I have no problem
> with them charging for it, since it's neither essential nor necessary for
> developing in any of the languages it supports.
Of course.
> And if those sales translate
> into their survival and continued support of the open-source languages you
> take for granted, then maybe they should up the price.
They don't need to do so.
A free personal edition will spread the IDE around.
More users will update to the commercial version.
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*Weakness*
* Komodo Free Edition Not Available
o Could have e.g. negative influence on Open-Source-Communities
o Reduces distribution
*Suggestion*
a) Initial Step: ActiveState should make the Komodo personal edition
"free of charge".
*Commercial* users still need to upgrade to the *professional* version
for a license fee.
*Benefit*
This would most possibly lead to *spreading* the IDE *widely* within the
dynamic language communities and would attract users which look for a
free IDE (which partially will update to the professional version).
A free edition would *simplify* the *download* procedure drastically. A
link "get the free personal edition" from the main page would be enough.
No license-key required. Quick, Easy and no hassle - get an IDE for 5
dynamic languages.
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http://lazaridis.com/samples/com/ActiveState/product.html
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Ilias Lazaridis
> $30 is really very cheap for a tool that does what Komodo does - it is
> a commercially developed tool and it is natural that the developers
> should want to eat.
the commercial version costs $299.
I suggest to free the personal version (non-commercial and educational use).
> The website seems fine also.
The website seems fine.
but ie has some problems:
http://lazaridis.com/samples/com/ActiveState/free.html
> Adding an API so that people could write extensions in the various
> languages Komodo supports might be a excellent idea.
This is totally outdated.
Major tool-companies have realized, that an API (which is again
proprietary) is not the solution on a long term.
Even Borland has joined the collaborative solution @ eclipse:
http://www.eclipse.org/membership/members/strategic.php
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Ilias Lazaridis
> what is the business model for Activestate to recover expenses on the
> editor?
My suggestion to provide an no-cost personal version (non-commercial and
educational use) is not contrary to the existent business model.
I helps spreading the IDE and commercial users still have to order the
professional version ($295,-).
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But there are upcoming threats - and thus ActiveState should start to
*prepare* to open-source the IDE (e.g. starting to isolate some code
subsystems to go open-source).
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Threats
eclipse dynamic language support - http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/dltk/
upcoming competitive IDE's (based on eclipse or others)
Suggestion
b) ActiveState should start preparing to open-source the Komodo IDE.
Benefit
Customers which would like to have a more compact solution than eclipse
would prefer ActiveState, if the licensing is similar to that of eclipse.