Delphi: DLIB bug?
Wilbert van Leijen
When running DLIB (in the \RUNIMAGE\DELPHI\BIN directory on CD ROM), I
invariably receive the following message:
Delphi Librarian Version 1.0 Copyright (c) 1995 Borland International
Unit file format error (DELPHI.DSL).
Anyone out there who can confirm this?
Wilbert (wil...@dragons.nest.nl)
Jeroen Pluimers
Thursday April 06 1995 09:05, Wilbert van Leijen wrote:
WvL> When running DLIB (in the \RUNIMAGE\DELPHI\BIN directory on CD ROM), I
WvL> invariably receive the following message:
WvL> Delphi Librarian Version 1.0 Copyright (c) 1995 Borland International
WvL> Unit file format error (DELPHI.DSL).
Right. A fix will appear in The Delphi Magazine.
Jeroen
Steve Teixeira
>
>
> When running DLIB (in the \RUNIMAGE\DELPHI\BIN directory on CD ROM), I
>
>
There is a patched version available on CompuServe right now. I'll see about
having it put on the ftp site.
-Steve Teixeira
stei...@borland.com
Duncan Murdoch
>There is a patched version available on CompuServe right now. I'll see about
>having it put on the ftp site.
Any chance of putting this up for ftp, too?
[74431,263] Steve Teixeira (Borland) Lib: 2
OBJLANG.ZIP
Bin, Bytes: 1062234, Count: 16, 07-Apr-95
Title : Object Pascal Language Guide
Keywords: OBJECT PASCAL LANGUAGE REFERENCE GUIDE DOC ACROBAT
This zipfile contains the Object Pascal Language Reference in Adobe
Acrobat format. Have at it!!
Duncan Murdoch
Duncan Murdoch
>All I can say is, %#@$ it, Borland, put this stuff up on your
>FTP server BEFORE you put it on Compu$erve!!! Are you getting
>kick-backs from Compu$erve for running a support forum there?
>Your first priority should be FTP & WWW.
Why? Compuserve appears to be Borland's primary online support method,
ftp and www serve a much smaller number of their users. Why
should this be any different?
Duncan Murdoch
Paul Thurrott
I mean no offense, but...
Are you high? With the explosive growth of the Internet, there is simply
NO WAY that a high priced, poor-interfaced proprietary online service like
Compuserve could ever reach the amount of people that the Internet can.
NO WAY.
While it may be true that there are a high number of so called "professional"
developers on CIS, there are far greater numbers of programmers, Delphi and
otherwise, on the net.
Wake up and join the present. This isn't 1982 anymore. FTP and WWW should
be EVERY manufacturer's first level of customer service. The entire programming
community should be on the net if they want to keep up.
Paul Thurrott
PS: I have a CIS account I can access for free. And I still barely ever use it.
<blech!>
Richard Vowles
Any chance of a Postscript version all ready for copying to a PS laser
printer as well? I would suspect that most of us don't have Adobe Acrobat...
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John Hansen
dmur...@mast.queensu.ca says...
>
>In article <3m4m3u$e...@druid.borland.com> Steve Teixeira
<stei...@borland.com> writes:
>>There is a patched version available on CompuServe right now.
I'll see about
>>having it put on the ftp site.
>
>Any chance of putting this up for ftp, too?
>
> [74431,263] Steve Teixeira (Borland) Lib: 2
> OBJLANG.ZIP
<deletions>
All I can say is, %#@$ it, Borland, put this stuff up on your
FTP server BEFORE you put it on Compu$erve!!! Are you getting
kick-backs from Compu$erve for running a support forum there?
Your first priority should be FTP & WWW.
Thanks,
John C. Hansen
han...@wpgate1.wpafb.af.mil
Gregory S. Youngblood
>>FTP server BEFORE you put it on Compu$erve!!! Are you getting
>>kick-backs from Compu$erve for running a support forum there?
>>Your first priority should be FTP & WWW.
>
>ftp and www serve a much smaller number of their users. Why
>should this be any different?
>
done, as long as the FTP/WWW site is updated within a day of CI$
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Duncan Murdoch
>Any chance of a Postscript version all ready for copying to a PS laser
>printer as well? I would suspect that most of us don't have Adobe Acrobat...
Acrobat is on the Delphi CDROM. I don't know for sure that it comes with the
diskette version, but I imagine it would. On the CDROM, it's in the
MANUALS directory.
Duncan Murdoch
Andrew Cheshire
> : In article <3m4m3u$e...@druid.borland.com> Steve Teixeira <stei...@borland.com>
> : >There is a patched version available on CompuServe right now. I'll see about
> : >having it put on the ftp site.
>
> : Any chance of putting this up for ftp, too?
>
> : [74431,263] Steve Teixeira (Borland) Lib: 2
> : OBJLANG.ZIP
> :
> : Title : Object Pascal Language Guide
> : Keywords: OBJECT PASCAL LANGUAGE REFERENCE GUIDE DOC ACROBAT
> :
> : This zipfile contains the Object Pascal Language Reference in Adobe
> : Acrobat format. Have at it!!
>
> printer as well? I would suspect that most of us don't have Adobe Acrobat...
Didn't it come with your copy of Delphi?
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Steve Teixeira
>
> Duncan Murdoch (dmur...@mast.queensu.ca) wrote:
> : In article <3m4m3u$e...@druid.borland.com> Steve Teixeira <stei...@borland.com> writes:
> : >There is a patched version available on CompuServe right now. I'll see about
> : >having it put on the ftp site.
>
> : Any chance of putting this up for ftp, too?
>
> : [74431,263] Steve Teixeira (Borland) Lib: 2
> : OBJLANG.ZIP
> : Bin, Bytes: 1062234, Count: 16, 07-Apr-95
> :
> : Title : Object Pascal Language Guide
> : Keywords: OBJECT PASCAL LANGUAGE REFERENCE GUIDE DOC ACROBAT
> :
> : This zipfile contains the Object Pascal Language Reference in Adobe
> : Acrobat format. Have at it!!
>
> Any chance of a Postscript version all ready for copying to a PS laser
> printer as well? I would suspect that most of us don't have Adobe Acrobat...
>
If you have Delphi, you have Acrobat.
-Steve Teixeira
stei...@borland.com
Oliver Fromme (TBH)
Steve Teixeira (stei...@borland.com) wrote (11 Apr 1995 01:44:10 GMT):
> ro...@comu2.auckland.ac.nz (Richard Vowles) wrote:
> >
> > Duncan Murdoch (dmur...@mast.queensu.ca) wrote:
> > : In article <3m4m3u$e...@druid.borland.com> Steve Teixeira <stei...@borland.com> writes:
> > : >There is a patched version available on CompuServe right now. I'll see about
> > : >having it put on the ftp site.
> >
> > : Any chance of putting this up for ftp, too?
> > :
> > : This zipfile contains the Object Pascal Language Reference in Adobe
> > : Acrobat format. Have at it!!
> >
> > Any chance of a Postscript version all ready for copying to a PS laser
> > printer as well? I would suspect that most of us don't have Adobe Acrobat...
> >
>
> If you have Delphi, you have Acrobat.
Steve,
I do have Delphi, but I don't have Acrobat. It simply
does not run (locks up every time I try to load a
manual file). 4 of my friends also have Delphi, and
the Acrobat reader only runs for two of them!
Frankly, I think this reader is _very_ buggy.
(Fortunately I have the printed manuals.)
So if you provide any additional manuals, please use
PostScript in addition to the Acrobat format.
And, please, upload it to an FTP or WWW site.
Regards,
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Steve Teixeira
>
> >>All I can say is, %#@$ it, Borland, put this stuff up on your
> >>FTP server BEFORE you put it on Compu$erve!!! Are you getting
> >>kick-backs from Compu$erve for running a support forum there?
> >>Your first priority should be FTP & WWW.
> >
> >Why? Compuserve appears to be Borland's primary online support method,
> >ftp and www serve a much smaller number of their users. Why
> >should this be any different?
> >
> They could at least do it simultaneously. I dont care what order it gets
> done, as long as the FTP/WWW site is updated within a day of CI$
>
The reason that OBJLANG.ZIP showed up on CompuServe first is simple:
I run the DELPHI forum, so I can upload files and do other things to the forum
as I see fit. Someone else runs the BBS and ftp site, so it takes a couple
of days to get files up there after I give them the files.
Please be patient. I uploaded the file to CIS at 6:30pm on a Friday. It'll been
less than 1.5 workdays since that upload occured.
-Steve Teixeira
stei...@borland.com
Duncan Murdoch
>ro...@comu2.auckland.ac.nz (Richard Vowles) wrote:
>> Duncan Murdoch (dmur...@mast.queensu.ca) wrote:
>> : OBJLANG.ZIP
>> Any chance of a Postscript version all ready for copying to a PS laser
>> printer as well? I would suspect that most of us don't have Adobe Acrobat...
>>
>If you have Delphi, you have Acrobat.
Hey, how come you answered Richard's question, but not mine? ;-)
Duncan Murdoch
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>From: dmur...@mast.queensu.ca (Duncan Murdoch)
>Newsgroups: comp.lang.pascal
>Subject: Re: Delphi Language reference (was: Delphi: DLIB bug?)
>Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:35:03 GMT
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>In article <3mbgmj$l...@wrdis02.robins.af.mil> han...@wpgate1.wpafb.af.mil (John
>Hansen) writes:
>>All I can say is, %#@$ it, Borland, put this stuff up on your
>>FTP server BEFORE you put it on Compu$erve!!! Are you getting
>>kick-backs from Compu$erve for running a support forum there?
>>Your first priority should be FTP & WWW.
>Why? Compuserve appears to be Borland's primary online support method,
>ftp and www serve a much smaller number of their users. Why
>should this be any different?
>Duncan Murdoch
If you recall during the installation of Delphi the running add's boasted of
borlands great support - listing www.borland.com as a source of said support.
I've been checking both their web site and their ftp site, waiting for the
manuals, and although I've noted a marked increace in the amount of
advertisement, I have found little or no surrort ( save the Ask delphi page
Last modified January 13, 1995 ).
I really don't wish to subscribe to Compuserve to get the Info that
should have come with the product, esp when www.borland.com is listed by the
company as a support site!
Kendall Jackman
>as I see fit. Someone else runs the BBS and ftp site, so it takes a couple
>of days to get files up there after I give them the files.
>
>Please be patient. I uploaded the file to CIS at 6:30pm on a Friday. It'll been
>less than 1.5 workdays since that upload occured.
>
> -Steve Teixeira
> stei...@borland.com
When this does show up at the FTP site, where will we find it?
Kendall
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John Hansen
dmk...@dmklein.slip.iglou.com says...
>
>If you recall during the installation of Delphi the running add's boasted of
>borlands great support - listing www.borland.com as a source of said support.
>I've been checking both their web site and their ftp site, waiting for the
>manuals, and although I've noted a marked increace in the amount of
>advertisement, I have found little or no surrort ( save the Ask delphi page
>Last modified January 13, 1995 ).
> I really don't wish to subscribe to Compuserve to get the Info that
>should have come with the product, esp when www.borland.com is listed by the
>company as a support site!
>
This is my only gripe with Delphi so far. I can live with waiting for printed
manuals that cost $35. I can live with having to fax to Borland to receive the rest
of the VCL source code I ordered. I can live with having to agree to not write a
program that competes with Quattro Pro. But, if Borland is going to run an FTP
server and a WWW page and claim in their installation routines that this is the
place to get all the latest and greatest information about Delphi then, by golly,
they ought to keep the dang WWW page up-to-date. How hard would it be for them to
archive all the Delphi traffic from this newsgroup and make it available from their
page? How hard would it be to develop an active official FAQ (they've posted three
or four to Compu$erve) available via their web Page? They ought to advertise any
other web pages out there on the net that have Delphi info on them. And they ought
ensure that everything on CI$ is duplicated on their web page - including any chat
logs and message folders there. Support via the Internet is THE way of the future.
Get with the program. All the online services will have web browsers by year end.
They all have FTP access to sites like FTP.BORLAND.COM. It just makes sense to put
this stuff on FTP and WWW first. IMHO.
----------------------------
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han...@wpgate1.wpafb.af.mil
Steve Teixeira
Steve Teixeira
>
> >I run the DELPHI forum, so I can upload files and do other things to the forum
> >as I see fit. Someone else runs the BBS and ftp site, so it takes a couple
> >of days to get files up there after I give them the files.
> >
> >Please be patient. I uploaded the file to CIS at 6:30pm on a Friday. It'll been
> >less than 1.5 workdays since that upload occured.
> >
> > -Steve Teixeira
> > stei...@borland.com
>
> When this does show up at the FTP site, where will we find it?
>
> Kendall
>
ftp://ftp.borland.com/pub/techinfo/techdocs/language/delphi
-Steve Teixeira
stei...@borland.com
Gregory S. Youngblood
ftp.skypoint.com /pub/members/zeta/ objlang.zip
Instead of waiting for Borland to get their act together!
Gary L. McMillan
says...
>
>The reason that OBJLANG.ZIP showed up on CompuServe first is
simple:
>
>I run the DELPHI forum, so I can upload files and do other
things to the forum
>as I see fit. Someone else runs the BBS and ftp site, so it
takes a couple
>of days to get files up there after I give them the files.
>
>Please be patient. I uploaded the file to CIS at 6:30pm on a
Friday. It'll been
>less than 1.5 workdays since that upload occured.
>
> -Steve Teixeira
> stei...@borland.com
Well - its been 4 working days and it is still not there!!
Gary L. McMillan
It's Wednesday, 10:35pm West Coast USA time and it is still not
there. If its going to be this week someone needs to rush, but
that is making an assumption that advertised customer support is
of interest. After all it probably is VERY time consuming to
place this on the web/FTP site.
In article <3mgs7n$8...@druid.borland.com>, stei...@borland.com
says...
>Sorry, Duncan... yes, we'll have it on ftp this week.
>
> -Steve Teixeira
> stei...@borland.com
Mike Wilding
>
>Please be patient. I uploaded the file to CIS at 6:30pm on a Friday. It'll been
>less than 1.5 workdays since that upload occured.
>
> -Steve Teixeira
> stei...@borland.com
>
6.30pm Friday - 7am Thursday UK time = 'patient' ?
Are you using Pentium FP to calculate 'patient' ??? :(
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>From: mcmi...@eskimo.com (Gary L. McMillan)
>Subject: Re: Delphi Language reference (was: Delphi: DLIB bug?)
>In article <3me8o5$v...@druid.borland.com>, stei...@borland.com
>says...
>>
>>The reason that OBJLANG.ZIP showed up on CompuServe first is
>simple:
>>
>>I run the DELPHI forum, so I can upload files and do other
>things to the forum
>>as I see fit. Someone else runs the BBS and ftp site, so it
>takes a couple
>>of days to get files up there after I give them the files.
>>
>>Please be patient. I uploaded the file to CIS at 6:30pm on a
>Friday. It'll been
>>less than 1.5 workdays since that upload occured.
>>
>> -Steve Teixeira
>> stei...@borland.com
>Well - its been 4 working days and it is still not there!!
Ahhh! But it is there now! Take a look at:
ftp://ftp.borland.com/pub/techinfo/techdocs/language/delphi/gen/objlang.zip
Apparently they populated the Delphi directories of their ftp site late
yesterday (13 Apr 95). There are a number of new subdirectories and files to
browse through now.
Roger G. Smith
: All I can say is, %#@$ it, Borland, put this stuff up on your
: FTP server BEFORE you put it on Compu$erve!!! Are you getting
: kick-backs from Compu$erve for running a support forum there?
: Your first priority should be FTP & WWW. : Thanks, : John C. Hansen : han...@wpgate1.wpafb.af.mil
Compuserve certainly is the traditional on-line vendor support
medium, but, like you, I'd certainly appreciate the option of
timely on-line support *without* paying hourly usage fees and
(in my case) long distance charges.
I've always assumed that a popular Compuserve forum generates
cash somehow for the vendor (in this case, Borland). Would
anyone with actual knowledge of this care to comment?
This may be a moot point. So many vendors use Compuserve
as their primary or only on-line support vector, that you
just about have to go there for timely low-cost support if
you are active in microcomputer hardware or software.
Me? I want lifetime 24 hour/7 day toll free support
(with no waiting) from the developers for their $200 products...<G>
Roger
rgs...@whale.st.usm.edu
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Foo Say How
: The reason that OBJLANG.ZIP showed up on CompuServe first is simple:
: I run the DELPHI forum, so I can upload files and do other things to the forum
: as I see fit. Someone else runs the BBS and ftp site, so it takes a couple
: of days to get files up there after I give them the files.
: Please be patient. I uploaded the file to CIS at 6:30pm on a Friday. It'll been
: less than 1.5 workdays since that upload occured.
It was there on Friday 15 1995! I have downloaded it!
Foo Say How
Duncan Murdoch
>Compuserve certainly is the traditional on-line vendor support
>medium, but, like you, I'd certainly appreciate the option of
>timely on-line support *without* paying hourly usage fees and
>(in my case) long distance charges.
I've got the same problem, having no local Compuserve node. This makes it
cost me something like $20-$30 per hour. However, I still call regularly, and
I think I get good value. You get better vendor support there than here.
Part of the key is that I've got a better Compuserve reader than my Usenet
reader (I use Tapcis and Trumpet for Windows). Tapcis keeps costs down, by
limiting most of my calls to 1 or 2 minutes, and also helps to organize the
messages to handle the higher volume. I was going to say there's less whining
there than here, but I think that's not true: it's just that I'm less likely
to read it there.
> I've always assumed that a popular Compuserve forum generates
>cash somehow for the vendor (in this case, Borland). Would
>anyone with actual knowledge of this care to comment?
If it does generate cash, it can't be much. Support is expensive and I
sincerely doubt that the amount the users spend in the forum would offset the
salary costs. I think the big benefit of the forum to Borland is that it
relieves the pressure on the phone lines: a single answer goes to a lot of
people, and users help users without requiring Borland to pay them a salary.
The same could be true of Usenet, but there has for a long time been a
tradition that commercial use is wrong. Perhaps over time, as clearly
vendor-oriented newsgroups like comp.lang.pascal.borland are created, this
will change.
Duncan Murdoch
JAKOB PAIKIN
RV> printer as well? I would suspect that most of us don't have Adobe
RV> Acrobat...
It comes with Delphi, and since the reference is for the obejct pascal
in Delphi anybody who needs the reference would already have the program
to view/print the text.
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Richard Vowles
: Ahhh! But it is there now! Take a look at:
: ftp://ftp.borland.com/pub/techinfo/techdocs/language/delphi/gen/objlang.zip
: Apparently they populated the Delphi directories of their ftp site late
: yesterday (13 Apr 95). There are a number of new subdirectories and files to
: browse through now.
All we need now is an Index so we don't have to download everything to
find what they are... (says he who cannot find one, if I am missing something,
please let me know!)
Derrick Lopez
: ro...@comu2.auckland.ac.nz (Richard Vowles) wrote:
: >
: > Duncan Murdoch (dmur...@mast.queensu.ca) wrote:
: > : >There is a patched version available on CompuServe right now. I'll see about
: > : >having it put on the ftp site.
: >
: >
: > : [74431,263] Steve Teixeira (Borland) Lib: 2
: > : Bin, Bytes: 1062234, Count: 16, 07-Apr-95
: > :
: > : Title : Object Pascal Language Guide
: > : Keywords: OBJECT PASCAL LANGUAGE REFERENCE GUIDE DOC ACROBAT
: > :
: > : Acrobat format. Have at it!!
: > Any chance of a Postscript version all ready for copying to a PS laser
: > printer as well? I would suspect that most of us don't have Adobe Acrobat...
: >
: If you have Delphi, you have Acrobat.
: -Steve Teixeira
: stei...@borland.com
Hi Steve,
I/we appreciate having a Borland person online who can answer questions
with replies from the true source. A question for you though. I also
use BC++ 4.5 and was wondering why you (Borland) chose Adobe Acrobat for
Delphi's CD-ROM documentation and dtext23 (?!) for BC++?
Thanks!
Derick Lopez
DSoft Technology
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LaVern R. Ogden
>ftp://ftp.borland.com/pub/techinfo/techdocs/language/delphi
> -Steve Teixeira
> stei...@borland.com
Steve, A BIG problem on the FTP site, is the lack of up-to-date
indexes. The ones that exist are 1 1/2 months old. Please have them
updated.
LaVern
Steve Teixeira
>
> I/we appreciate having a Borland person online who can answer questions
> with replies from the true source. A question for you though. I also
> use BC++ 4.5 and was wondering why you (Borland) chose Adobe Acrobat for
> Delphi's CD-ROM documentation and dtext23 (?!) for BC++?
>
A couple of reasons.. (1) it is less expensive and much faster to convert our docs
to Acrobat than to any other format. (2) Other readers, such as DynaText, charge
royalties that probably would have increased the price of the product. Note that
TCW4.5 now uses Acrobat as well.
-Steve Teixeira
stei...@borland.com
Malcolm Coulter
>From: Steve Teixeira <stei...@borland.com>
>Subject: Re: Delphi Language reference (was: Delphi: DLIB bug?)
---------------------------------------------------------
Whatever the merits of Acrobat as a whole, there seems to be a widespread
feeling amongst Delphi users that the *reader* is not only inexpensive but is
also cheap.
Perhaps the problem is a procedural one of trying to convert back from a
typesetting (or typesettable) format to a wordprocessor format rather than
preparing a distribution-ready word processor format and converting that to
the typesetting format. Even "Write" format would be preferable and why not
Word for Windows, almost all word processors can import at least WinWord2
format and Microsoft has a free (at least for individuals) Word viewer.
THINK AGAIN BORLAND - companies that don't listen to their customers don't win
in the marketplace.
James Orleff
dmur...@mast.queensu.ca says...
Since you obviously have internet access, why not access CIS through
telnet? Unless you pay for intenet by the hour, this is a much
cheaper access option. Latest WINCIM supports internet access as well,
and it's high speed to boot!