whos got a 60g ram 30 cpu box and it running whole company on it and lisp only?

der_gavio_fhurer

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Jun 4, 2013, 8:50:11 PM6/4/13

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cmon fess up

u know ud love it

Bigos

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Jun 4, 2013, 9:03:34 PM6/4/13

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On 05/06/13 01:50, der_gavio_fhurer wrote:
> cmon fess up
>
> u know ud love it
>

Now I believe you are trolling. Before I was thinking you were trying to
learn Lisp.

Raymond Wiker

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Jun 5, 2013, 1:01:48 AM6/5/13

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What took you so long?

Espen Vestre

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Jun 5, 2013, 4:21:03 AM6/5/13

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Bigos <ruby....@googlemail.com> writes:

> Now I believe you are trolling. Before I was thinking you were trying
> to learn Lisp.

You must be new here. Not only is he a troll, he's a troll without
visions. *One* box? :-)
--
(espen)

Bigos

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Jun 5, 2013, 6:53:27 AM6/5/13

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I struggled to learn Lisp. So I thought he was just venting his
frustration.

I am a bit naive, so if I would not troll, then I would not expect
anyone else do it as well. This is why,I guess, I would give people a
benefit of doubt.

der_gavio_fhurer

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Jun 5, 2013, 2:09:27 PM6/5/13

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whats funny is I am not trolling

I work for some of biggest websites in USA

such garbage software youve never seen

and huge amount of hardware to run it

then more garbage to manage it all

I am astounded more lisp startups and shops dont exist.

der_gavio_fhurer

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Jun 5, 2013, 2:10:04 PM6/5/13

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troll without vision????

if anything I am massively a visionary

Öö Tiib

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Jun 5, 2013, 7:52:12 PM6/5/13

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Garbage is very simple to write in and about any
programming language including lisp.

der_gavio_fhurer

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Jun 7, 2013, 2:29:15 PM6/7/13

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>
> Garbage is very simple to write in and about any
>
> programming language including lisp.

I think lisp could be far more efficient and take far fewer man hours to produce results.

:)

kti...@mcna.net

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Jun 12, 2013, 10:15:52 AM6/12/13

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On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 6:53:27 AM UTC-4, Bigos wrote:
> I am a bit naive, so if I would not troll, then I would not expect
>
> anyone else do it as well. This is why,I guess, I would give people a
>
> benefit of doubt.

The flaw in your argument is that there is no doubt. The flaw in your reasoning is thinking everyone is like you. That is not naive, that is unscientific.

Where is the "don't feed the trolls" ascii art when we need it?

hk

Bigos

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Jun 12, 2013, 11:45:09 AM6/12/13

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There is room for doubt because my perception of reality is not perfect.
Also, I do not use boolean logic to judge people.

Raymond Wiker

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Jun 12, 2013, 2:14:52 PM6/12/13

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Which is fine, because logic and gavino don't go well together :-)

der_gavio_fhurer

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Jun 17, 2013, 1:42:17 PM6/17/13

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my work has donzens of these boxes and only achieves 3 hits a second

couldnt lisp powered app server do much much beeter?

less code??

why arent lispers doing startup corps all over making all these java oracle or php idiiots look inefficient by contrast?

ningle
lisp on lines
restas
weblocks
etc.

Zach Beane

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Jun 17, 2013, 2:19:51 PM6/17/13

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der_gavio_fhurer <vispha...@gmail.com> writes:

> my work has donzens of these boxes and only achieves 3 hits a second

Where do you work?

Zach

Öö Tiib

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Jun 18, 2013, 11:52:57 PM6/18/13

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Lets say you can afford to hire people who win programming contests.
At moment such people mostly prefer C++. Why people, who win
programming contests, prefer C++? Are programming contests skewed?
Unlikely. Anything can be solved with lisp. It is probably problem of
education. Anyway it is unlikely you can convince stars to switch now.

So you get best modules written in C++. Rest of your code has to
interoperate with the core "star written" modules. The problem
boils down to ease of integrating, debugging and profiling such
symbiosis. PHP, C#, Python and Java integrate with modules written in
C++ well enough. How well lisp integrates?

Marco Antoniotti

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Jun 19, 2013, 3:49:09 AM6/19/13

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And I thought (like the SLDJ crowd touts) that C++ was a "low productivity language" 3:)

In any case: C integration to and from Lisp is easy. Check out CFFI or the more low-level facilities provided on a per-implementation basis (there is more than one CL implementation).

As per C++ integration, I'd wager (I amy be wrong) that the integration provided by the various SLDJs (and Java/JNI) always relies on an abundant sprinkling of 'extern "C" { ... }' in your C++ code.

Cheers
--
MA

Madhu

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Jun 19, 2013, 7:43:52 AM6/19/13

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* Marco Antoniotti <56c7d4c5-c1c9-4398...@googlegroups.com> :
Wrote on Wed, 19 Jun 2013 00:49:09 -0700 (PDT):

| On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 5:52:57 AM UTC+2, Öö Tiib wrote:
|>
|> Lets say you can afford to hire people who win programming contests.
|> At moment such people mostly prefer C++. Why people, who win
|> programming contests, prefer C++? Are programming contests skewed?
|> Unlikely. Anything can be solved with lisp. It is probably problem of
|> education. Anyway it is unlikely you can convince stars to switch
|> now.
|>
|> So you get best modules written in C++. Rest of your code has to
|> interoperate with the core "star written" modules. The problem boils
|> down to ease of integrating, debugging and profiling such
|> symbiosis. PHP, C#, Python and Java integrate with modules written in
|> C++ well enough. How well lisp integrates?
|
| And I thought (like the SLDJ crowd touts) that C++ was a "low
| productivity language" 3:)

From the GCC INSTALL:

"GCC now uses C++ as its implementation language. This means
that to build GCC from sources, you will need a C++ compiler
that understands C++ 2003."

Any opensource project where the stanford investors have a stake is
likely to be converted to C++ because of the finer control it offers on
the toolchain and the finer control on C++ developer salaries. C++ is
additionally a wise choice from a HR point of view. "If some is
skillful enough to understand the C++ spec Du Jour, and persists in
programming in it, he is a good NWOSlave: i.e. he take this much sh**,
can eat anything his managers can dish out". Besides a new version of
the spec can help pre-empt a fresh workforce batch.

| In any case: C integration to and from Lisp is easy. Check out CFFI
| or the more low-level facilities provided on a per-implementation
| basis (there is more than one CL implementation).

CFFI/ASDF integration addresses some of the HR issues I mentioned in the
above paragraph, but has a long way to go before it gets to be a
profitable alternative for C++

| As per C++ integration, I'd wager (I amy be wrong) that the
| integration provided by the various SLDJs (and Java/JNI) always relies
| on an abundant sprinkling of 'extern "C" { ... }' in your C++ code.

I am no more an expert than Marco on C++ integration, but I imagine SWIG
could be the point of entry if you are looking at interfacing to it. I
cannot recommend CFFI because of its dependencies on ASDF and other
developer-ecology-based libraries, I prefer UFFI and using
lisp-implementation-specific callbacks. In this case SWIG/UFFI-bindings
support seems to be intentionally crippled, in favour of
allegro/cffi. But one gets a usable interface to SWIG by using the
SWIG/SEXP-bindings and translating that to UFFI. ---Madhu

Zach Beane

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Jun 19, 2013, 7:45:11 AM6/19/13

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Öö Tiib <oot...@hot.ee> writes:

> On Friday, 7 June 2013 21:29:15 UTC+3, der_gavio_fhurer wrote:
>> >
>> > Garbage is very simple to write in and about any
>> > programming language including lisp.
>>
>> I think lisp could be far more efficient and take far fewer man hours to produce results.
>>
>> :)
>
> Lets say you can afford to hire people who win programming contests.

Yeah, like Gabor Melis!

http://www.franz.com/services/conferences_seminars/webinar_1-20-11.lhtml

He's might be the only Lispy one, though.

Zach

der_gavio_fhurer

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Jun 19, 2013, 2:17:54 PM6/19/13

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funny I see a lot of wins by ada and haskell not C++

der_gavio_fhurer

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Jun 19, 2013, 2:19:58 PM6/19/13

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integrate?

The point is to stop making that a goal.

Replace all the java shit with good working code and use HTML as the lingua franca.

ideally drop sql database too

www.prevayler.org and webserver but both in say lisp haskell or smalltalk etc..

www.happstack.com is almost complete example of this.

I ama amazed hapstack hasnt been rewritten in lisp and cl-prevalence I am not sure if its maintained, working etc.. but seems so

der_gavio_fhurer

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Jun 19, 2013, 2:20:36 PM6/19/13

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you don't need c++

der_gavio_fhurer

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Jun 19, 2013, 2:21:00 PM6/19/13

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go getem zak

der_gavio_fhurer

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Jun 19, 2013, 2:21:24 PM6/19/13

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in the world
:)

do you work?

Öö Tiib

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Jun 20, 2013, 1:42:14 AM6/20/13

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Yes, my point was that better is to cooperate not to compete. Nothing needs
to be destroyed in IT world for to build something because gigabyte costs
few cents but filling it with source code takes man-centuries.

der_gavio_fhurer

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Jun 24, 2013, 5:55:58 PM6/24/13

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> Which is fine, because logic and gavino don't go well together :-)

Based on what?

I want to see lisp used for high performance websites as an alternative to java.

Is that just batshit insane to you?

der_gavio_fhurer

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Jun 26, 2013, 6:53:05 PM6/26/13

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Zach are you a commy?

der_gavio_fhurer

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Jun 26, 2013, 8:05:20 PM6/26/13

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On Monday, June 17, 2013 11:19:51 AM UTC-7, Zach Beane wrote:

I have spent many summers in southern maine.
Kinda loaded with corporate hating prius driving mac using starbucks drinking enviro commies tho. I prefer libertarian stance.
Stephen King rules.