LISP/FB books looking for a new home
Nils M Holm
Here's your chance! The below books are up for grabs. Any (non-negative)
offer is acceptable. Free shipping to Germany, maybe even to other
countries (depending on the weight of the volume). All books are in
good or very good condition (except for those marked *, which show
some wear).
LISP/FP-related:
Abelson et al; Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs (SICP) *
Hoyte; Let Over Lambda (LOL)
Norvig; Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming (PAIP)
Okasaki; Purely Functional Data Structures
Steele; Common Lisp the Language (CLtL1) *
Ullman; Elements of ML Programming *
Other:
Budd; A Little Smalltalk *
Mason & Brown; Lex and Yacc *
Libes & Ressler; Life with Unix *
Raymond; The New Hacker's Dictionary
--
Nils M Holm | http://t3x.org
Nils M Holm
> Always wanted to read PAIP, LOL, SICP, etc, but could not afford it?
> Here's your chance! The below books are up for grabs. Any (non-negative)
> offer is acceptable. Free shipping to Germany, maybe even to other
> countries (depending on the weight of the volume). All books are in
> good or very good condition (except for those marked *, which show
> some wear).
>
> LISP/FP-related:
>
> Abelson et al; Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs (SICP) *
> Norvig; Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming (PAIP)
> Okasaki; Purely Functional Data Structures
> Steele; Common Lisp the Language (CLtL1) *
> Ullman; Elements of ML Programming *
Nobody? Not even PAIP or Okasaki? Wow!
Eddie Jesinsky
I'm interested in SICP, Norvig, and Okasaki, though I'm in the US so
shipping could be pretty bad... How much are you looking for?
Nils M Holm
> On Nov 9, 1:51�am, Nils M Holm <news2...@t3x.org> wrote:
> > Nobody? Not even PAIP or Okasaki? Wow!
Looks like everybody thought the books were already sold
anyway. Now they are.
> I'm interested in SICP, Norvig, and Okasaki, though I'm in the US so
> shipping could be pretty bad... How much are you looking for?
I am looking for people who make up their own minds. ;-)
Aleksandr Vinokurov
> Eddie Jesinsky <ed...@jesinsky.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 9, 1:51пїЅam, Nils M Holm <news2...@t3x.org> wrote:
>> > Nobody? Not even PAIP or Okasaki? Wow!
>
> Looks like everybody thought the books were already sold
> anyway. Now they are.
>
>> I'm interested in SICP, Norvig, and Okasaki, though I'm in the US so
>> shipping could be pretty bad... How much are you looking for?
>
> I am looking for people who make up their own minds. ;-)
I'm interested in SICP, Okasaki and Budd. Maybe a friend of my in
Germany can grab them for me. 30EUR?
Kind regards,
Aleksandr Vinokurov
Nils M Holm
> Nils M Holm <news...@t3x.org> writes:
> > Looks like everybody thought the books were already sold
> > anyway. Now they are.
>
> I'm interested in SICP, Okasaki and Budd. Maybe a friend of my in
> Germany can grab them for me. 30EUR?
All gone, sorry.
Aleksandr Vinokurov
> Aleksandr Vinokurov <aleksa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Nils M Holm <news...@t3x.org> writes:
>> > Looks like everybody thought the books were already sold
>> > anyway. Now they are.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> I'm interested in SICP, Okasaki and Budd. Maybe a friend of my in
>> Germany can grab them for me. 30EUR?
>
> All gone, sorry.
Damn, sorry for my misleading.
Don't you mind if I wander: why you sold it?
Nils M Holm
>
> Don't you mind if I wander: why you sold it?
I want to give up programming, but it turns out
to be a long-term project.
w_a_x_man
> Aleksandr Vinokurov <aleksandr....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Nils M Holm <news2...@t3x.org> writes:
> > > [books for sale]
>
> > Don't you mind if I wander: why you sold it?
>
> I want to give up programming, but it turns out
> to be a long-term project.
>
> --
> Nils M Holm |http://t3x.org
What's wrong with programming?
namekuseijin
too many flamewars
Nils M Holm
> What's wrong with programming?
Nothing.
My personal experience, though, is that it is extremely stressful,
makes me edgy, and nobody is really interested in programming any
longer. The only thing that counts today is how your tools, skills,
and whatever fit in the corporate world.
When I had my first computer, I wrote computer games, because I
coud not afford to buy any. People came over to my place to play
those games, because they did not even have a computer. That was
fun. At those times, a 500-line BASIC video game was pretty cool
and would bring hours of fun.
Today even open source developers are mostly marketers and business
people. In the past years, I have written thousands of lines of code
for nothing. It was not fun and virtually nobody cared. It was only
habit, momentum, stupidity, or a mix of all of that that drove me
ahead.
Times have changed. To me, computing is a nuisance today. If it wasn't
for email, writing, buying books online, and that damn programming habit,
I would get rid of the computer for good. In the 80's writing a compiler
(which I did) was considered to be pretty advanced. Today I cannot
even explain to my wife why Firefox does not work the way she expects
it to.
So the computer is sitting here and now and then I think it would
be a great idea to write that extremely cool program. After a while
I notice that the idea is not that great at all and the fun is no
fun at all. Than I toss 20k lines of code to the virtual dumpster and
sell a load of books.
Expect me to come back with more that that crap. Giving up programming
is hard -- says someone who stopped smoking and drinking sucessfully
and without much effort.
Long story short: Programming is not longer what it was back in my days
and life is too short for that crap.
w_a_x_man
> w_a_x_man <w_a_x_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > What's wrong with programming?
>
> Nothing.
>
> My personal experience, though, is that it is extremely stressful,
I agree to a certain extent.
> makes me edgy, and nobody is really interested in programming any
> longer. The only thing that counts today is how your tools, skills,
> and whatever fit in the corporate world.
Yes. I get the impression that those who program for money
have no interest in developing the ability to write elegant
functions; they spend all their time learning to use gigantic
libraries (Rails, SQL, etc.).
And it seems to be getting much harder to make a good living
by programming.
>
> When I had my first computer, I wrote computer games, because I
> coud not afford to buy any. People came over to my place to play
> those games, because they did not even have a computer. That was
> fun. At those times, a 500-line BASIC video game was pretty cool
> and would bring hours of fun.
>
> Today even open source developers are mostly marketers and business
> people. In the past years, I have written thousands of lines of code
> for nothing. It was not fun and virtually nobody cared. It was only
> habit, momentum, stupidity, or a mix of all of that that drove me
> ahead.
>
> Times have changed. To me, computing is a nuisance today. If it wasn't
> for email, writing, buying books online, and that damn programming habit,
> I would get rid of the computer for good.
Well, in addition to those uses, I need it for transcoding videos
and downloading & listening to mp3 files.
> In the 80's writing a compiler
> (which I did) was considered to be pretty advanced. Today I cannot
> even explain to my wife why Firefox does not work the way she expects
> it to.
>
> So the computer is sitting here and now and then I think it would
> be a great idea to write that extremely cool program. After a while
> I notice that the idea is not that great at all and the fun is no
> fun at all. Than I toss 20k lines of code to the virtual dumpster and
> sell a load of books.
I only write small programs that I know will be useful;
some for my cohorts at work and some for my personal use.
>
> Expect me to come back with more that that crap. Giving up programming
> is hard -- says someone who stopped smoking and drinking sucessfully
> and without much effort.
>
Yes, it is rather addictive, like crossword puzzles or sudoku.
> Long story short: Programming is not longer what it was back in my days
> and life is too short for that crap.
Other advanced programmers seem to have come to the same conclusion.
For example, Zed Shaw and _why the Lucky Stiff have completely
abandoned Ruby:
www.zedshaw.com/blog/2009-08-19.html
namekuseijin
> On Nov 14, 10:22 am, Nils M Holm <news2...@t3x.org> wrote:
> > Expect me to come back with more that that crap. Giving up programming
> > is hard -- says someone who stopped smoking and drinking sucessfully
> > and without much effort.
>
> Yes, it is rather addictive, like crossword puzzles or sudoku.
you guys hit the nail.
I have a programming job and it sucks. I do however love programming
for a hobby...
I wonder if Bach or Haydn ever felt the same...
Peter Keller
> people. In the past years, I have written thousands of lines of code
> habit, momentum, stupidity, or a mix of all of that that drove me
> ahead.
I know this feeling. I'm the poster boy for doing shit noone cares
about or thinks is impossible (as opposed to the actual proof of
impossibility).
The thing which changed this for me and pulled me from the edge of
permanent burnout, was:
A) I forced my work coding to be in a rigid time during the week and
absolutely did not let it bleed over into personal time.
B) I did the same with my hobby code.
C) I only write hobby codes for my singular and personal use
and enjoyment. I have no expectations about the code other
than the results of it will provide me with happiness and
satisfaction. My default plan is never showing my codes and
never making any money from them. I do it for the love of
the art alone and to see if my ideas can actually be made.
D) If it *happens* to be useful to others, I might release it and/or
try to make money off of it, but that is *never* the intention
when writing it. Even my recently released CL-MW distributed
computing library was strictly for a larger project I'm
doing. I wrote that huge detailed manual for it so I wouldn't
forget how to use it when I'm working on the application for
which it was designed. :)
Once I did these things, my unconcious, self-creating, unkillable,
and ever driving impulse to write code was finally allowed to be free
of expectations or attachments.
-pete
Alexandros Diamantidis
> Times have changed. To me, computing is a nuisance today.
Just saw this comic strip expressing the same feeling:
http://www.drawuntilitsfunny.com/2010/11/10/computers/