NYC LOCAL: Tuesday 11 February 2003 Lisp in New York City: Lispers gather to eat and drink
secr...@lxny.org
Great Lisp Beast. Some have even suggested that the Lisp Cabal itself has
held two Lesser Concourses on the Island of the Manahattoes. Though I have
no special knowledge, and certainly no brief to deal with such talk, I
believe that the source of these ridiculous imaginings of the photogravure
press may be the few informal meetings which have led to this:
The organization Lispers of New York City will meet openly for the first
time on Tuesday 11 February 2003 at Kenny's bar, also called "The Time-Out",
on the east side of Amsterdam Avenue between 76th and 77th Streets, on the
West Side of Manhattan.
This meeting is free and open to the public.
The formal meeting will take no more than seventy-five minutes, and then
the serious drinking will commence.
Jay Sulzberger <secr...@lxny.org>
Corresponding Secretary LXNY
LXNY is New York's Free Computing Organization.
http://www.lxny.org
Kenny Tilton
secr...@lxny.org wrote:
> The organization Lispers of New York City --
Informed of the lispnyc.org moniker, an aurally inclined mate labelled
its members "lispniks". Maynard G. Grebs, phone home.
> will meet openly for the first
> time on Tuesday 11 February 2003 at Kenny's bar, also called "The Time-Out"...
While flattering, if youse guys persist in this business of directing
people to "Kenny's bar", the next meeting will find lispnyks scattered
amongst P&G, Citrus, River, Time Out, Hurley's, Jake's Dilemma, Yogi's,
Blondie's...
> on the east side of Amsterdam Avenue between 76th and 77th Streets, on the
> West Side of Manhattan.
That actually only narrows it to three of my bars. :)
Anyway, kudos to Dave Bakhash for incubating this cabal in his offices
and for bringing us together.
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kenny tilton
clinisys, inc
http://www.tilton-technology.com/
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Greg Menke
> secr...@lxny.org wrote:
> > The organization Lispers of New York City --
>
> Informed of the lispnyc.org moniker, an aurally inclined mate labelled
> its members "lispniks". Maynard G. Grebs, phone home.
Ooo, what do you have to do be become a lispnik? Wish I lived closer to NYC...
Gregm
Kenny Tilton
Greg Menke wrote:
> Kenny Tilton <kti...@nyc.rr.com> writes:
>
>
>>secr...@lxny.org wrote:
>>
>>>The organization Lispers of New York City --
>>
>>Informed of the lispnyc.org moniker, an aurally inclined mate labelled
>>its members "lispniks". Maynard G. Grebs, phone home.
>
>
> Ooo, what do you have to do be become a lispnik?
Groove on functional languages, wish for and be willing to contribute to
the reascendance of Lisp, and live close to New York.
> Wish I lived closer to NYC...
Doh! Well, lispnyc is a joy. Every city should have one. Sort of an
"instant community". Just imagine talking computers as much as you like
while getting thrown (figuratively, of course) out of one bar after another.
Find one other lisper in your area and get together for beers or latte.
And remember not to mention "work".
:)
Greg Menke
> Greg Menke wrote:
> > Kenny Tilton <kti...@nyc.rr.com> writes:
> >
> >>secr...@lxny.org wrote:
> >>
> >>>The organization Lispers of New York City --
> >>
> >>Informed of the lispnyc.org moniker, an aurally inclined mate labelled
> >>its members "lispniks". Maynard G. Grebs, phone home.
> > Ooo, what do you have to do be become a lispnik?
>
> Groove on functional languages, wish for and be willing to contribute
> to the reascendance of Lisp, and live close to New York.
>
> > Wish I lived closer to NYC...
>
> Doh! Well, lispnyc is a joy. Every city should have one. Sort of an
> "instant community". Just imagine talking computers as much as you
> like while getting thrown (figuratively, of course) out of one bar
> after another.
>
> Find one other lisper in your area and get together for beers or
> latte. And remember not to mention "work".
>
> :)
Well the Lisp part isn't much trouble, but I live in Baltimore so the
problem is more one of naming. "Lispnik" is quite elegant and I'm a
bit stumped for something akin to it yet associated with the city.
Baltimore Lisp Users Group (BLUG) just doesn't have the right ring to
it...
;)
Gregm
Christian Lynbech
to let that exclude from that groovy lispnik designation, so I have
devised the following: I will refer to my self as a lispnik in honor
of and tribute to the original New Yorker lispniks.
Lets get a movement going ("lispnik" is so much better than "lisper").
:-)
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Christian Lynbech | email: chri...@defun.dk
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Hit the philistines three times over the head with the Elisp reference manual.
- pet...@hal.com (Michael A. Petonic)
Kenny Tilton
Greg Menke wrote:
> Kenny Tilton <kti...@nyc.rr.com> writes:
>
>
>>Greg Menke wrote:
>>
>>>Kenny Tilton <kti...@nyc.rr.com> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>secr...@lxny.org wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The organization Lispers of New York City --
>>>>
>>>>Informed of the lispnyc.org moniker, an aurally inclined mate labelled
>>>>its members "lispniks". Maynard G. Grebs, phone home.
>>>
>>>Ooo, what do you have to do be become a lispnik?
>>
>>Groove on functional languages, wish for and be willing to contribute
>>to the reascendance of Lisp, and live close to New York.
>>
>>
>>> Wish I lived closer to NYC...
>>
>>Doh! Well, lispnyc is a joy. Every city should have one. Sort of an
>>"instant community". Just imagine talking computers as much as you
>>like while getting thrown (figuratively, of course) out of one bar
>>after another.
>>
>>Find one other lisper in your area and get together for beers or
>>latte. And remember not to mention "work".
>>
>>:)
>
>
> Well the Lisp part isn't much trouble, but I live in Baltimore so the
> problem is more one of naming.
Can you take over the whole state and be lispmd? Then y'all can be "lisp
doctors" or "lisp mudders". Whatever you do, keep Chevy Chase out of
this. :)
> "Lispnik" is quite elegant and I'm a
> bit stumped for something akin to it yet associated with the city.
Just read Christian's post praising "lispnik", looks like we'll have to
open source the name. maybe only lispnyc members get to spell it lispnyk?
Kenny Tilton
Christian Lynbech wrote:
> I am living impossible far from New York, but is not really inclined
> to let that exclude from that groovy lispnik designation, so I have
> devised the following: I will refer to my self as a lispnik in honor
> of and tribute to the original New Yorker lispniks.
Hey, maybe we need a live video feed to the web site for virtual
members. I'm thinking camcorder, laptop, cell uplink and a steadicam arm
as the evening wears on.
LambdaCam?
Greg Menke
> Greg Menke wrote:
> > Kenny Tilton <kti...@nyc.rr.com> writes:
> >
> >>Greg Menke wrote:
> >>
> >>:)
> > Well the Lisp part isn't much trouble, but I live in Baltimore so the
> > problem is more one of naming.
>
> Can you take over the whole state and be lispmd? Then y'all can be
> "lisp doctors" or "lisp mudders". Whatever you do, keep Chevy Chase
> out of this. :)
>
> > "Lispnik" is quite elegant and I'm a
> > bit stumped for something akin to it yet associated with the city.
>
> Just read Christian's post praising "lispnik", looks like we'll have
> to open source the name. maybe only lispnyc members get to spell it
> lispnyk?
That'd be fine. Lispnik has just the right mix of politics and
technology. I wonder whos going to get the first license plate?
Gregm
Arthur A. Gleckler
> Well the Lisp part isn't much trouble, but I live in Baltimore so the
> problem is more one of naming. "Lispnik" is quite elegant and I'm a
> bit stumped for something akin to it yet associated with the city.
> Baltimore Lisp Users Group (BLUG) just doesn't have the right ring to
> it...
I'm a Lisper/Schemer and in the San Francisco area, but am originally
from Baltimore. May I suggest LHON? "We speak Lisp, hon."
Peter Seibel
> Doh! Well, lispnyc is a joy. Every city should have one. Sort of an
> "instant community". Just imagine talking computers as much as you
> like while getting thrown (figuratively, of course) out of one bar
> after another.
Okay, how about Oakland/San Francisco? Anyone? Anyone? (Seems to me
that Franz is Oakland, must be some Lispniks there.)
-Peter
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Peter Seibel
pe...@javamonkey.com
Peter Seibel
> Peter Seibel <pe...@javamonkey.com> writes:
>
> > Kenny Tilton <kti...@nyc.rr.com> writes:
> >
> > > Doh! Well, lispnyc is a joy. Every city should have one. Sort of an
> > > "instant community". Just imagine talking computers as much as you
> > > like while getting thrown (figuratively, of course) out of one bar
> > > after another.
> >
> > Okay, how about Oakland/San Francisco? Anyone? Anyone? (Seems to me
> > that Franz is Oakland, must be some Lispniks there.)
>
> Or Lispbug's (Lisp Bay area Users Group)?
That's fine by me too. But no point coming up with a name unless
someone knows a bar that's worth going to. ;-) I'm over in Oakland
near Rockridge where there's a reasonable bar, Ben & Nick's[1] on
College Street. But I also get over to San Francisco pretty often too.
Who's in?
-Peter
[1] <http://www.pubcrawler.com/Template/ReviewWC.cfm/flat/BrewerID=101729>
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pe...@javamonkey.com
JP Massar
wrote:
>Kenny Tilton <kti...@nyc.rr.com> writes:
>
>> Doh! Well, lispnyc is a joy. Every city should have one. Sort of an
>> "instant community". Just imagine talking computers as much as you
>> like while getting thrown (figuratively, of course) out of one bar
>> after another.
>
>Okay, how about Oakland/San Francisco? Anyone? Anyone? (Seems to me
>that Franz is Oakland, must be some Lispniks there.)
>
I live in Berkeley.
Rob Warnock
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| Peter Seibel <pe...@javamonkey.com> wrote:
| >Okay, how about Oakland/San Francisco? Anyone? Anyone? (Seems to me
| >that Franz is Oakland, must be some Lispniks there.)
|
| I live in Berkeley.
May I put in a PLUG for a (SF Bay) "Peninsula Lisp Users' Group"?
I'm in San Mateo and I know that Fred & Sunil & others work at SRI
in Menlo Park... (And there *must* be some in Palo Alto, mustn't there?)
-Rob
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Simon András
> Or Lispbug's (Lisp Bay area Users Group)?
Good, cause that leaves Lispburg (Lisp Budapest UseRs Group) for us
Lispburgers.
andras
Kenny Tilton
Xanalys. Not a big college town, but still...
...where are the lispbeanies?
Kenny Tilton
> The organization Lispers of New York City will meet openly for the first
> time on Tuesday 11 February 2003 at Kenny's bar, also called "The Time-Out",
> on the east side of Amsterdam Avenue between 76th and 77th Streets, on the
> West Side of Manhattan.
>
> This meeting is free and open to the public.
>
Starting when? We have been doing 7PM at Dave's office, same time sound
good?
btw, tho Time Out loved the idea of a bucnh of hungry, thirsty lispniks
one Tuesday a month at 7PM... it occurs to me we have yet to warn them
we will be descending on them en masse tomorrow night.
I will remedy that ASAP. Would folks plz email me if you intend to
attend, with a head count if you are speaking for a set? No harm if you
miss this request, I just want to let them know if it will be five,
fifteen, or fifty.
Marc Spitzer
> secr...@lxny.org wrote:
> > The organization Lispers of New York City will meet openly for the first
> > time on Tuesday 11 February 2003 at Kenny's bar, also called "The Time-Out",
> > on the east side of Amsterdam Avenue between 76th and 77th Streets, on the
> > West Side of Manhattan.
> > This meeting is free and open to the public.
>
> > The formal meeting will take no more than seventy-five minutes, ...
>
>
> Starting when? We have been doing 7PM at Dave's office, same time
> sound good?
7pm at the Time out bar
marc
Fred Gilham
> May I put in a PLUG for a (SF Bay) "Peninsula Lisp Users' Group"?
> I'm in San Mateo and I know that Fred & Sunil & others work at SRI
> in Menlo Park... (And there *must* be some in Palo Alto, mustn't
> there?)
There's some old lispers that work at Kestrel Institute and Reasoning
Systems but I don't know if they read this newsgroup.
--
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Thomas F. Burdick
> Kenny Tilton <kti...@nyc.rr.com> writes:
>
> > Doh! Well, lispnyc is a joy. Every city should have one. Sort of an
> > "instant community". Just imagine talking computers as much as you
> > like while getting thrown (figuratively, of course) out of one bar
> > after another.
>
> Okay, how about Oakland/San Francisco? Anyone? Anyone? (Seems to me
> that Franz is Oakland, must be some Lispniks there.)
I'm staying in The Town -- and, incidentally, I'd prefer Lisper Nation
to Lispbug ... but I suppose that might be a little Oakland-centric.
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Peter Seibel
> rp...@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) writes:
>
> > JP Massar <mas...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > +---------------
> > | Peter Seibel <pe...@javamonkey.com> wrote:
> > | >Okay, how about Oakland/San Francisco? Anyone? Anyone? (Seems to me
> > | >that Franz is Oakland, must be some Lispniks there.)
> > |
> > | I live in Berkeley.
> > +---------------
> >
> > May I put in a PLUG for a (SF Bay) "Peninsula Lisp Users' Group"?
> > I'm in San Mateo and I know that Fred & Sunil & others work at SRI
> > in Menlo Park... (And there *must* be some in Palo Alto, mustn't
> > there?)
>
> Yeah, I live in Shallow Alto... PLUG would work, but would be nice
> to have a BA-wide group.
Somebody down south want to propose a meeting place that's near a
Caltrain station. Meanwhile I've got a proposal on the table for Ben
and Nick's which is about 50 feet from the Rockridge BART station in
Oakland. Anyone want to get some beers some evening this week?
Wednesday? (Just to pick a day out of a hat.) I suppose if we end up
attracting only Oakland/Berkely Lispers we could be ObLisp.
Daniel Barlow
> JP Massar <mas...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> +---------------
> | Peter Seibel <pe...@javamonkey.com> wrote:
> | >Okay, how about Oakland/San Francisco? Anyone? Anyone? (Seems to me
> | >that Franz is Oakland, must be some Lispniks there.)
> |
> | I live in Berkeley.
> +---------------
>
> May I put in a PLUG for a (SF Bay) "Peninsula Lisp Users' Group"?
> I'm in San Mateo and I know that Fred & Sunil & others work at SRI
> in Menlo Park... (And there *must* be some in Palo Alto, mustn't there?)
OK, this seems as good a place as any to chip in. Reacting to demand
from Lispers the world over for up-to-date information, the ALU web
committee recently decided to turn over its development site to become
a community-maintained thingy. A collection of links to local user
groups would be exactly the kind of use to which we'd like to see it
put.
I've kicked the ball off: I created the 'local' page with a
placeholder LispNYC entry. Some community-minded Lispnyk wants to go
back and fill it in. The rest of you, think of a name, think of a
bar, and add your own collective.
CLiki is a Wiki1 - there is only one namespace. So, your name is
guaranteed unique. If you change the name, put a note on the old page
and I'll go round and garbage collect eventually.
(And I may as well ask while I'm posting: anyone else near here?
Oxford, Thames Valley, SE England. London would be pretty convenient)
Other news from the ALU (but please note that I am not an official
spokeslisper) - there are moves afoot to resuscitate the official ALU
site too, for information that dare not be mindlessly changed by
random members of the public - constitution, board members, bylaws,
minutes etc. We'll be keeping a close eye on what goes on with the
CLiki site too - if people want to start lifting the non-official
information from the old lisp.org site, updating it for the Century of
the Fruitbat, and transplanting it, that would be useful.
Enjoy.
-dan
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Rainer Joswig
Daniel Barlow <d...@telent.net> wrote:
cool stuff. thanks.
Marc Spitzer
Gabe Garza
> I've kicked the ball off: I created the 'local' page with a
> placeholder LispNYC entry. Some community-minded Lispnyk wants to go
> back and fill it in. The rest of you, think of a name, think of a
> bar, and add your own collective.
>
> http://alu.cliki.net/Local
>
> CLiki is a Wiki1 - there is only one namespace. So, your name is
> guaranteed unique. If you change the name, put a note on the old page
> and I'll go round and garbage collect eventually.
If the ALU web site--or part of it--is going to be a subset of CLiki,
is CLiki's mission statement going to be changed to to accomodate
commercial Lisp's and non-Unix Lisps's?
ObOnTopic:
Anyone else within comfortable driving distance of Los Angeles, CA?
Gabe Garza
Rob Warnock
+---------------
| ...if we end up attracting only Oakland/Berkely Lispers we could be ObLisp.
+---------------
(*groan!*)
JP Massar
>
>Somebody down south want to propose a meeting place that's near a
>Caltrain station. Meanwhile I've got a proposal on the table for Ben
>and Nick's which is about 50 feet from the Rockridge BART station in
>Oakland. Anyone want to get some beers some evening this week?
>Wednesday? (Just to pick a day out of a hat.) I suppose if we end up
>attracting only Oakland/Berkely Lispers we could be ObLisp.
Food ?
Peter Seibel
Ingvar Mattsson
[SNIP]
> (And I may as well ask while I'm posting: anyone else near here?
> Oxford, Thames Valley, SE England. London would be pretty convenient)
I'm in London (well, I work in London at least). Any preferences as to
where in London? There's OK pubs most everywhere, but some are more
and some are less convenient, especially now that the Central Line is
being grounded.
//Ingvar
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Daniel Barlow
>> CLiki is a Wiki1 - there is only one namespace. So, your name is
>> guaranteed unique. If you change the name, put a note on the old page
>> and I'll go round and garbage collect eventually.
>
> If the ALU web site--or part of it--is going to be a subset of CLiki,
> is CLiki's mission statement going to be changed to to accomodate
> commercial Lisp's and non-Unix Lisps's?
Good question. The term "CLiki" is overloaded, which is probably
going to get confusing
* CLiki as a piece of software (which you can download and,
eventually, after much cursing, install on your own servers) is
freely usable for any purpose
* The CLiki installation at www.cliki.net continues to be for "free
software implemented in Common Lisp and available on Unix-like
systems"
* The CLiki installation at alu.cliki.net, on the other hand, is
"produced by the ALU with and on behalf of the Common Lisp users and
vendors community". Yes, that includes commercial Lisps.
In short, they're two completely different sites. You can tell by the
ghastly background colour (replacement suggestions welcome, btw).
They don't don't share pages. Eventually I hope that the ALU one will
shift to the new ALU web server, when that's running. So in that
sense, no change in the direction of CLiki is required.
What I expect to see happen is that some of the information currently
on www.cliki.net will start moving to the ALU site. For example, many
of the documents referenced on www.cliki.net are non-free(sic) and
would be better off on the ALU site - likewise some of the news about
commercial or Windows implementations is not really relevant to
www.cliki.net either, and can migrate across. Some past attempts at
"community standards" have been made on www.cliki.net, which again
might be better off in a place where people don't feel they need to buy
into some ideology to participate.
I don't yet know exactly what this is going to do to www.cliki.net in
the long term[*]. It may live on independently, or it may fizzle, or
it may end up as a view onto the ALU site showing only the pages with
a tick against "bruce perens says you won't go to hell for reading
this". I have my own plans (which don't involve it dying off just
yet), but mostly it depends on where the contributors want to take it.
[*] OK, medium term. In the long term I'm really hoping that we won't
need to be using Unix any more.
Mark Dalgarno
> (And I may as well ask while I'm posting: anyone else near here?
> Oxford, Thames Valley, SE England. London would be pretty convenient)
I'm based in Cambridge, England and can make it to London fairly
easily. We have several other Lisp programmers here who may be up for
a night out.
Mark
Christophe Rhodes
Bah. Why haven't I met you before?
Christophe
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Paolo Amoroso
> back and fill it in. The rest of you, think of a name, think of a
> bar, and add your own collective.
You may also want to think of a foo, a baz and a quux.
Paolo
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Ingvar Mattsson
OK, if we decide for London, there are several nice pubs within OK
travel distance from either Paddington or King's Cross.
If we decide for Cambridge, ISTR that the Panton Arms is quite OK and
also has a cool fish phone box. Or the Hopbine. Or Castle at Castle
Hill. Or, possibly, the Zebra.
For Oxford, I don't really know, not having been much in Oxford.
//Ingvar
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JP Massar
wrote:
>mas...@alum.mit.edu (JP Massar) writes:
Web page for B&N: