Trying Chrome now, bad news
Stevo
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/525.13
(KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/0.2.149.27 Safari/525.13
It's based on a Safari so it'll suck. Time we all quit so we don't have
to support this thing, because there's no doubt it'll be popular.
David Mark
> Look at the userAgent string:
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> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/525.13
> (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/0.2.149.27 Safari/525.13
>
Better yet, don't. That's miatake #1. See Prototype, jQuery, etc.
Aaron Gray
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Looks okay to me, V8 (it Javascript interpreter) is about 7 times faster
than FF and about 20 times faster than IE.
Looks like a nice browser to me.
Aaron
David Mark
It looks like Safari to me, which is not necessarily a bad thing.
Aaron Gray
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Yep, it has SVG and weighs in at 620KBytes, and loads over 20 times faster
than Safari !
Aaron
Stevo
Not sure what you're talking about. What have Prototype and jQuery got
to do with Chrome being based on Safari and therefore sucking?
Aaron Gray
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Ah theres a 8MByte DLL too !
Althought the installer is only 475KBytes, so presumably the installer
downloads the essentials.
Aaron
David Mark
I did not comment on the Safari -> sucking issue in that post.
The point is that brain-dead libraries, such as Prototype and the
like, branch based on the userAgent property and therefore will be
thrown for a loop by this (or virtually any) new browser.
BTW, the browser in question looks and acts like Safari. Provided
your scripts do not branch on browser names, you will be fine.
timothytoe
jQuery isn't thrown for a loop by Chrome, as far as I can tell. I have
a very jQuery-intensive app that works wonderfully in Chrome. From
reading Google's comic book, it sounds like they've been testing this
on all the big sites, including jQuery sites.
David Mark
> On Sep 2, 4:09 pm, David Mark <dmark.cins...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Sep 2, 6:57 pm, Stevo <n...@mail.invalid> wrote:
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> > > David Mark wrote:
> > > > On Sep 2, 4:00 pm, Stevo <n...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> > > >> Look at the userAgent string:
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> > > >> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/525.13
> > > >> (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/0.2.149.27 Safari/525.13
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> > > > Better yet, don't. That's miatake #1. See Prototype, jQuery, etc.
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> > > Not sure what you're talking about. What have Prototype and jQuery got
> > > to do with Chrome being based on Safari and therefore sucking?
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> > I did not comment on the Safari -> sucking issue in that post.
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> > The point is that brain-dead libraries, such as Prototype and the
> > like, branch based on the userAgent property and therefore will be
> > thrown for a loop by this (or virtually any) new browser.
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> > BTW, the browser in question looks and acts like Safari. Provided
> > your scripts do not branch on browser names, you will be fine.
>
> jQuery isn't thrown for a loop by Chrome, as far as I can tell. I have
Are you sure? Can anyone really be sure?
> a very jQuery-intensive app that works wonderfully in Chrome. From
By coincidence.
> reading Google's comic book, it sounds like they've been testing this
> on all the big sites, including jQuery sites.- Hide quoted text -
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Testing a browser against jQuery. Now there's a concept.
timothytoe
I can't be sure that all jQuery sites will work, of course. But I've
visited many that work just fine, and none that seem to have failed.
I'm eager for someone to show me a website that uses jQuery that fails
in Chrome.
When someone predicts doom, I'd love the prediction to be followed up
by an actual case of doom.
The conjecture of doom was a reasonable one, but it looks as if Google
has addressed it reasonably well.
Xu, Qian
It is a great product. I suppose, that it will be the biggest killer of
Opera and Safari (on Windows) very soon.
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David Mark
Of course.
> visited many that work just fine, and none that seem to have failed.
And how many browsers did you visit these sites with?
> I'm eager for someone to show me a website that uses jQuery that fails
> in Chrome.
Why? Isn't it enough that it branches on the name of the browser.
How many browsers are there now?
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> When someone predicts doom, I'd love the prediction to be followed up
> by an actual case of doom.
Have you read the jQuery source? That's all you really need to know.
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> The conjecture of doom was a reasonable one, but it looks as if Google
> has addressed it reasonably well.
Google has nothing to do with it. You missed my point.
kangax
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> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/525.13
> (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/0.2.149.27 Safari/525.13
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> It's based on a Safari so it'll suck. Time we all quit so we don't have
It's actually based on WebKit (rev. 525.13) - the same engine Safari
is built upon (though Safari uses different build in latest version).
Why will something "based on Safari" suck is beyond my understanding.
Could you elaborate?
> to support this thing, because there's no doubt it'll be popular.
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Dr J R Stockton
Tue, 2 Sep 2008 22:00:41, Stevo <n...@mail.invalid> posted:
What does the yellow column in <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/js-
datex.htm#Auto> show in Chrome? Any other Date funnies?
What do the test forms in <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/js-
randm.htm#MR> show? Only the Numbers are of interest.
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Chris Riesbeck
> In comp.lang.javascript message <g9k61a$nsg$03$1...@news.t-online.com>,
> Tue, 2 Sep 2008 22:00:41, Stevo <n...@mail.invalid> posted:
>> Look at the userAgent string:
>>
>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/525.13
>> (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/0.2.149.27 Safari/525.13
>>
>> It's based on a Safari so it'll suck. Time we all quit so we don't have
>> to support this thing, because there's no doubt it'll be popular.
>
> What does the yellow column in <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/js-
> datex.htm#Auto> show in Chrome? Any other Date funnies?
Same as Firefox 3 except rows 5, 6 and N are false instead of true.
>
> What do the test forms in <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/js-
> randm.htm#MR> show? Only the Numbers are of interest.
>
Clicking ? for the Loops 100000, I get 100000 OK
Clicking ResolB I get General resolution is at least 30 bits.
Clicking ResolC I get Range resolution is at least 30 bits.
Is that what you wanted?
Chris Riesbeck
Oops -- overlooked ResolA
Clicking ResolA I get Maximum resolution is 2^-30 or better.
I'd closed Chrome, then saw ResolA in Firefox. I reopened Chrome and the
default tab showed my recent pages and one click took me back to your
test page. I'm not ready to use Chrome till the carpet bombing bug is
fixed, at the least, but I've liked playing with it so far, and it's
been happy with some of my more complicated scripts.
Jorge
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> I'd closed Chrome, then saw ResolA in Firefox. I reopened Chrome and the
> default tab showed my recent pages and one click took me back to your
> test page. I'm not ready to use Chrome till the carpet bombing bug is
> fixed, at the least, but I've liked playing with it so far, and it's
> been happy with some of my more complicated scripts.
Does it run on squirrelfish as well, I mean, as it's based on webkit
then maybe...
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Jorge.
Lasse Reichstein Nielsen
What's so bad about Safari - or rather, about WebKit?
It's DOM standards compliance is fairly good (first to Acid 2 and best
at Acid 3 so far).
The Javascript engine was rewritten, so whatever flaws it may have
(it's still in beta, so I bet there are some) won't be related to
Safari.
/L
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slebetman
It doesn't run squirrelfish but something a bit better: it runs V8:
It's a JIT compiler for javascript. No, not a bytecode compiler like
squirrelfish but direct-to-native-instructions javascript.
Jorge
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> It doesn't run squirrelfish but something a bit better: it runs V8:
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> http://code.google.com/p/v8/
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> It's a JIT compiler for javascript. No, not a bytecode compiler like
> squirrelfish but direct-to-native-instructions javascript.
You mean not squirrelfish but something still faster ?
Thumbs up !
I love to see that the browsers keep changing for the better.
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Jorge.
Dr J R Stockton
Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:59:52, Chris Riesbeck <Chris.R...@gmail.com>
posted:
>Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>> In comp.lang.javascript message <g9k61a$nsg$03$1...@news.t-online.com>,
>> Tue, 2 Sep 2008 22:00:41, Stevo <n...@mail.invalid> posted:
>>> Look at the userAgent string:
>>>
>>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/525.13
>>> (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/0.2.149.27 Safari/525.13
>>>
>>> It's based on a Safari so it'll suck. Time we all quit so we don't have
>>> to support this thing, because there's no doubt it'll be popular.
>> What does the yellow column in <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/js
>>-
>> datex.htm#Auto> show in Chrome? Any other Date funnies?
>
>Same as Firefox 3 except rows 5, 6 and N are false instead of true.
One wonders whether it is possible to indicate to Chrome, in a date/time
string, the offset from GMT numerically? That is to say, by a suffix
like +0800 ?
>> What do the test forms in <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/js-
>> randm.htm#MR> show? Only the Numbers are of interest.
>
>Clicking ? for the Loops 100000, I get 100000 OK
>
>Clicking ResolB I get General resolution is at least 30 bits.
>
>Clicking ResolC I get Range resolution is at least 30 bits.
plus
>Clicking ResolA I get Maximum resolution is 2^-30 or better.
>Is that what you wanted?
Yes, thanks.
You could try more loops, but the error for which that tests is not
expected, though Opera used to have it.
For resolution, 30 bits is dismal, even despicable. 32 would be
excusable. The source code needs looking at. They ought to read Knuth;
but my pages js-randm.htm & pas-rand.htm should provide core
information.
I assume that this Google Chrome has a major version number of 1.
Apologies, Chris, I had not intended to mail this.
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