Prototype Java/HTML IDE for Windows 95

[Jim Friskel]

Check out www.inch.com/~friskel/javaside.html

It will allow for a download of a prototype IDE for
editting/compiling/testing java and HTML files.

It requires Windows 95.
For the Java functionality to work, you must have the JDK properly
installed.

[Randy Chapman]

Not to harp on you are anyone else in particular, but there is something
I cant quite understand here.

There have been a number of efforts to make environments for Java. Of them,
I count one in java (free), two on Macintosh-only (commercial, both),
one commercial on ms-windows, and three free ms-windows environments.
And Borland's, for which we dont know where it is targetted yet (or I dont,
at least).

I dont know about anyone else here, but something strikes me as off about
this. Perhaps thats because I'm a Linux users and only one of the above
will even work on my system? Still, it seems odd that people are writing
whole new programs to help in the java programming, and yet aren't writing
them in Java.....

Oh well, I'll got hide now, as I'm not doing anything to help, either =(

--randy

Jim Friskel (fri...@inch.com) wrote:
: Check out www.inch.com/~friskel/javaside.html

[John Mignault]

In article <4cqs9t$b...@sundog.tiac.net> ra...@democracy.tiac.net (Ralph Mellor) writes:

> cha...@grizzly.cs.washington.edu (Randy Chapman) wrote:
>
> >Not to harp on you are anyone else in particular, but there is something
> >I cant quite understand here.
>

> >[why dozens of java development environments, yet only one written in java]
>
> I just gotta agree with you here. Otoh, I'm also not doing anything to
> help...
>
> Ralf
>
> If I had my life over, I guess I'd believe in reincarnation...
>

Yeah, I'm agreeing without doing anything either too. It'd probably be
cool to have an IDE up and running in Java (or at least a usable
java-mode for XEmacs 19.13 - I'm trying to convert the stuff on
ftp.javasoft.com as we speak) - but maybe we need to wait a bit longer
until the language is more stable. I have the feeling that a lot of
the IDEs we're starting to see now are going to go through a LOT of
changes and could increase our traffic fourfold.

BTW, Randy, I'm using the Linux port and it's great. Thanks for your
hard work - as time goes by I feel the need to boot to Windows less
and less.

--John Mignault

[Ralph Mellor]

[Randy Chapman]

Following up on my own post... running it on my NT machine at work,
it is a rather nice program =)

--randy

Randy Chapman (cha...@grizzly.cs.washington.edu) wrote:
: Not to harp on you are anyone else in particular, but there is something
: I cant quite understand here.

: There have been a number of efforts to make environments for Java. Of them,

[Jim Friskel]

John -

Am in complete agreement that the quintessential Java IDE will be
written in Java. The reason we developed the Javaside IDE in C++ for
Windows 95 and not Java is simple.
1. We do our development for the Net under Windows 95/NT. What we
develop, pages with or without Java, need to be supported accross all
platforms, but all our development will be on Window 95. There was no
suitable environment we found.
2. The task involved in developing a simple IDE, but with code
colorization, a class browser, and a skeleton code snippet library in
Java would have been a long and difficult task. We simple don't have
the objects classes hanging around for reuse as we do from 5+ years of
developing C++ projects.
3. I really wish we had the time (read funding) to work on one developed
entirely in Java. But for now, we've made a productive and effiecient
Java Developement Environment that we can use.

4. Check out the new version with the class browser.

[Nelson Yu]

Randy Chapman (cha...@grizzly.cs.washington.edu) wrote:
: I dont know about anyone else here, but something strikes me as off about
: this. Perhaps thats because I'm a Linux users and only one of the above
: will even work on my system? Still, it seems odd that people are writing
: whole new programs to help in the java programming, and yet aren't writing
: them in Java.....

Originally I started a few small little applications in Java. A simple
text editor, app w/ a form-like main window, etc. But I ditched them
because of quirks in the eariler versions of the JDK.

1) FileDialog bug
2) Layout bugs(or rather few layout choices)
3) Inability to draw a GIF without resorting to sun.* classes

I prototyped AppletGen in Delphi(C++ would take more days) to flesh out
ideas. I don't think it's too hard to port a prototype over to Java once
you've got the design set.