RESULT: comp.lang.java.server-side fails 85:5
David E. Smith
unmoderated group comp.lang.java.server-side fails 85:5
There were 85 YES votes and 5 NO votes, for a total of 90 valid votes.
There were 4 abstains.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and
NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group
may not be voted on again for six months.
Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.java.server-side Server-side use of Java technology.
Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 24 Jun 2003.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the
proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Chris Smith <cds...@twu.net>
Proponent: Jon Skeet <sk...@pobox.com>
Votetaker: David E. Smith <da...@technopagan.org>
RATIONALE: comp.lang.java.server-side
Java is widely used in server-side technology, and is expanding.
Currently there is no specific group to discuss server-side issues.
This discourages some people from using Usenet as a medium for
discussion of this area, causes others to cross/multi-post
throughout the comp.lang.java.* groups, and means that newcomers
have no obvious place to search for relevant answers or discussions.
In addition, much current discussion of server-side Java is driven
off of Usenet to fragmented mailing lists and web-based forums. For
example, the Tomcat mailing lists and JavaRanch forums are frequently
recommended to newcomers within the comp.lang.java.* hierarchy asking
about server-side topics, due to the lack of relevant forums within
Usenet.
The proposed group will serve to allow discussion of server-side
technologies and APIs, including but not limited to: servlets;
JavaServer Pages (JSP); servlet-based technologies such as Velocity,
Tapestry, and WebMacro; Enterprise JavaBeans (EJB); and server-side
application frameworks such as Struts and Enhydra. It will also
provide a central place to provide advice on which existing technology
may be most appropriate for a given task, and to discuss generic
server-side techniques.
As a sample of use, a Google search across existing comp.lang.java.*
newsgroups for the 90-day period beginning February 6, 2003 and
ending May 5th, 2003, matching posts containing common server-side
Java technologies, terms, and vendors (*) found 5,090 posts. A scan
through the subject lines of the most recent 100 matching posts
showed that around three quarters of them would be appropriate in
the proposed new group. Nearly all posts in the search results
were on-topic in the proposed new group, but about one quarter of
them would be more appropriate to existing specialty groups such
as comp.lang.java.corba, comp.lang.java.databases, and
comp.lang.java.advocacy.
(*) The search terms used were "jsp", "servlet", "tomcat", "j2ee",
"ejb", "struts", "jboss", "websphere", and "soap".
CHARTER: comp.lang.java.server-side
An unmoderated newsgroup for discussing the use of Java in
server-side applications and of technologies and APIs useful for
server-side Java programming.
Examples of welcome topics include:
o Problems and discussions involving Java-based server-side
technologies, APIs, and frameworks (for example, EJBs, servlets,
JSPs, Tapestry, or Velocity) that are not covered by more specific
groups.
o Problems and discussions involving the application of general-
purpose server-side technologies to the Java programming language
(for example, XML/SOAP-based APIs, JMS integration issues).
o Comparisons between, discussions about, and problems involving
different server-side technologies in the context of Java software
development, including issues of installation and configuration.
o Comparisons between, discussions about, and problems involving
different vendors' or groups' implementations of server-side
technologies in the context of Java software development.
o Comparisons of the usefulness of different technologies to
approach to a given problem, even if those technologies are
each covered by more specific groups.
o Discussion of generic server-side problems such as load-balancing.
Examples of inappropriate topics include:
o Discussion of or problems in the use of a specific technology
which is covered by a separate group. (Use the specific group.)
o Problems which aren't server-specific but which happen to occur
in the use of a server-side application. (eg for general threading
problems, post in comp.lang.java.programmer)
Binaries are discouraged, except for PGP signatures and similar
small binaries.
Please try to keep any sections of source code you post as short as
possible, preferably within two screenfuls. If you are demonstrating
a problem and can write a short, self-contained piece of code which
others can compile, you are more likely to receive an answer. If you
need to supply more code than this, it is usually worth putting it
on a web-site temporarily and posting a link.
Unless a posting has non-server-side issues, please avoid
cross-posting to other groups such as comp.lang.java.programmer.
Relevant commercial posts are acceptable, but should be limited to
one per month per product.
END CHARTER.
comp.lang.java.server-side Final Vote Ack
Voted Yes
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aminggs~yahoo.co.uk Andrew Inggs
ankur.shah~monmouth.edu Ankur Shah
bguder~yahoo.de Birgit=20
bouvin~daimi.au.dk Niels Olof Bouvin
bpalmer~rescomp.Stanford.EDU Brian Palmer
brougham3~yahoo.com Brougham
carl~db4o.com Carl Rosenberger
cdsmith~twu.net Chris Smith
chead~telus.net Christopher Head
chowells~cs.uoregon.edu Carl Howells
cuhulain_98~yahoo.com The Ranger
dag~orion.no Dag Sunde
dale.king~thomson.net Dale King
darren~davison.uk.net Darren Davison
david~farrar.com David Farrar
devnull~vianet.ca Trevor Tymchuk
dfrost~maths.tcd.ie Dermot Frost
dgreen~uab.edu David G. Green
dmh~dmh.org.uk Dave H
don_hausi~bluewin.ch Christian Hauser
douglas.leeder~peramon.com Douglas Leeder
Ekkehard~Uthke.de Ekkehard Uthke
ermannov~despammed.com Ermanno Iannacci
erwin~dexus.nl Erwin Moller
etienne.PROPRE.rivest~sympatico.com Etienne Rivest
fastegal~addcom.de Jeanette Winzenburg
franck.thales~wanadoo.fr Franck T.
fred~mail.bytesforall.org Frederick Noronha
fungus~OCF.Berkeley.EDU Hank Fung
gaetano.bigliardi~libero.it Gaetano Bigliardi
georg.stahl~nexgo.de Georg Stahl
goodhill~xmission.com Paul Hill
gregb~blackholio.dyndns.org Greg R. Broderick
greger.olsson~ks.ericsson.se Greger =
guillaume~desnoix.com Desnoix Guillaume
henkmeulekamp~xs4all.nl Henk Meulekamp
hesto~wp.pl Henryka Stolarz
isaac.gossage~blueyonder.co.uk Isaac =
jdane~hawaii.edu Joe Dane
jds~vasco.com Yoel Spotts
jhking~airmail.net Jason King
jnews~prbh.org Jacob News
jobollin~indiana.edu John Bollinger
johannburkard~nexgo.de Johann Burkard
john~joss.ucar.edu John J. Allison
jon.skeet~peramon.com Jon Skeet
joncruz~speakeasy.net Jon A. Cruz
Juha.Laiho~iki.fi Juha Laiho
julesd~erols.com Jules Dubois
jwd_usenet~yahoo.com Jonathan Doughty
kala~sankya.com Babu Kalakrishnan
kaufhold~particle.uni-karlsruhe.de Christian Kaufhold
kenny~chasmcity.com Kenny MacLeod
kersam~web.de Kerschbaumer Samuel
luke~webber.com.au Luke Webber
marcoschmidt~geocities.com Marco Schmidt
margalitc~yahoo.com Marjorie Peskin
mhunter~atlantic.net Rob Maxwell
michael.norman~oracle.com Michael Norman
michel~szybist.net Michel Szybist
michiel~konstapel.nl Michiel Konstapel
mkc+dated+1055909300.847111+dated+1055909318.aba6bb~mathdogs.com Mike Colem
mmeyer~RAYTHEON.COM Mark Meyer
mmrosa~bigpond.net.au Michal Rosa
NJZLIRWUWYGI~spammotel.com Teresa Redmond
pan~syix.com Pan
pats~acm.org Patricia Shanahan
peterca~ukgateway.net Peter John Cameron
phil~panix.com Phil Gustafson
pjm~spe.com Patrick May
psmyth~gmx.net Peter Smyth
pt97fjo~student.bth.se Fredrik Jonson
real~rgagnon.com Real Gagnon
richard~rswheeldon.com Richard Wheeldon
roger~tilialacus.net Roger Lindsjö
rupsd~tin.it Antonello Digioia
sandor~cs.uu.nl Sandor Spruit
sbfaulds~ihug.co.nz Stuart
seth~tisue.net Seth Tisue
shrao~nyx.net Shrisha Rao
smlucas~flashmail.com Steven Lucas
tim~tt1.org Tim Tyler
toivo~ucs.uwa.edu.au Toivo Pedaste
trumbore~mindspring.com Chris Trumbore
vpdura~hiwaay.net Vic Dura
Voted No
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gprrspw~mindspring.com G.P. Ryan
naddy~mips.inka.de Christian Weisgerber
rick~bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller
stainles~realtime.net Dwight Brown
thor~anta.net Thor Kottelin
Abstained
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aahz~pobox.com Aahz
max~alcyone.com Erik Max Francis
van.ette~inter.nl.net Robert-Jan van Ette
wiz~verinet.com Wiz