Senior Level Java Expert/Architect Needed to $150/hr/Northern Va.
Eileen Trujillo
needed for high visibility mission critical enterprise GUI
development. Application Architecture skills a must.
Duration: 6months+
Location: Northern Va.
Rate to $150/hour
Please respond to below:
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Eileen Trujillo
Afgsystems / afg...@hotmail.com
Voice : 212 328 4926
Fax : 212 328 4925
Dean S Jones
experience. People with 10 years industry experience can make these
distinctions... Guess your not getting the job...
Sounds interesting, I have the qualifications. N. VA is a bit of a
drive from Eastern PA tho... $150 an hour could be worth it. cheap
housing, Banjo's. Say, chop $50/hour off if I can do it here, I'll
pop in every other week or so if need be. Any reason it NEEDS to be
on site ???
Dean S. Jones
Java Expert
14+ years INDUSTRY GUI experience.
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Wallace Judd
Dean S Jones wrote in message <35BFDBF7...@gallant.com>...
>Notice Eileen said 10 years INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE, not 10 years Java
>experience. People with 10 years industry experience can make these
>distinctions... Guess your not getting the job...
It sounded to me like she was looking for someone with 10 years Java
experience and that is impossible. The problem is that they tend to look for
years of experience, even if that experience was doing very simple
applications. Whereas you could have no industry experience at all, but have
the ability to write a compiler. You would not get the job though, because
all they are looking for is experience. They also tend to look for college
degrees, even though the degree in computer science is worthless by the time
you get it. Heck, if I got a degree in computer science in 1994, I would
have no college course in Java on my resume. No win95, winnt4.0, or win98
either. So what good is college? I just want to be a really good programmer
and be able to write a compiler or operating system. So the kind of employer
I am looking for looks at ability and not college degree or years of
experience. It is for that reason that I usually take those job postings
with a grain of salt.
Wallace
Dean S Jones
Yes, well then. I have 14 years industry experience, and no
degree. I am self taught all the way. I got sucked into Bell
Labs before I could finish, and just never got back to it. But
with 14 years experience, no one seems to care anymore. These
years/degree requirements seem to be a weenie filter anyway. If
you know yer sh*t, you'll get the job. Smart managers want people
who can solve their problems. I have met alot of people with
advanced degrees that can't design/code/engineer their way out of
a paper bag... Perhaps I should have put some smiley's in my
first reply, looks like I hit a nerve with you... But, I do
agree with you, more or less.
Dean
Tony Hursh
> all they are looking for is experience. They also tend to look for college
> degrees, even though the degree in computer science is worthless by the time
> you get it. Heck, if I got a degree in computer science in 1994, I would
> have no college course in Java on my resume. No win95, winnt4.0, or win98
> either. So what good is college?
I strongly disagree. Granted, there are some "computer science" programs
that simply teach "Java" or "Microsoft Excel" or "Novell CNE" or whatever,
but that's not what you're going to get in a REAL CS program. Things like
B-trees, automata, sorts, linear algebra, etc. do not change much when
new languages come along. A good CS program consists of mathematics,
algorithms, and data structures, which are all almost completely language
independent.
Sure, you can learn all those things on your own, but that doesn't make
the college degree worthless. In additon, I'm not claiming that taking
a Java or Excel or CNE class is a bad thing (it can be a very good thing
if that's what your employer wants to see), just that those things in
themselves don't make you a computer scientist.
> I just want to be a really good programmer
> and be able to write a compiler or operating system.
A good CS degree would be very helpful in furthering these
ambitions. Run far away from any program that touts the
language of the month at the expense of fundamentals.
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>all they are looking for is experience. They also tend to look for college
>degrees, even though the degree in computer science is worthless by the time
>you get it. Heck, if I got a degree in computer science in 1994, I would
A college degree is not useless, but the emphasis specifically on a Computer
Science degree is often misplaced. Having worked in the industry for 12+
years my experience would indicate that the best people tend to have degrees
in other disciplines like math, engineering, geography, etc. I have too
frequently been disappointed with the knowledge and ability of Computer
Science grads. Success in this industry depends on aptitude, not a piece of
paper. However opening those first couple of doors is a lot easier with that
piece of paper.
P.S. My degree is in Forestry.
The Bunny
> that simply teach "Java" or "Microsoft Excel" or "Novell CNE" or whatever,
> but that's not what you're going to get in a REAL CS program. Things like
> B-trees, automata, sorts, linear algebra, etc. do not change much when
> new languages come along. A good CS program consists of mathematics,
> algorithms, and data structures, which are all almost completely language
> independent.
> Sure, you can learn all those things on your own, but that doesn't make
> the college degree worthless. In additon, I'm not claiming that taking
> a Java or Excel or CNE class is a bad thing (it can be a very good thing
> if that's what your employer wants to see), just that those things in
> themselves don't make you a computer scientist.
> A good CS degree would be very helpful in furthering these
> ambitions. Run far away from any program that touts the
> language of the month at the expense of fundamentals.
Very good argument. Many people equate CS with programming languages, which
is not a valid comparison. True, languages are important. However, if you
know the fundamentals of programming and computer science, then you can
learn a new language VERY quickly.
Heck, I learned Java in a month, and that was while going to school. In
fact, the majority of languages I know, I learned on my own with a good
reference book (and not those crappy Learn xxxxxx in 21 Days books).
A college degree is very important. True, languages come and go, and
languages will all eventually be obsolete. However, a good CS program
doesn't teach you languages - they teach you concepts, which are fundamental
and don't ever change much, which can then be applied toward practical
knowledge. A college degree says that you have this foundation.
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