Gang Of Fourteen FAQ (Ahhhh, so good to be BACK!)
JTK
June 11, 2001
0. PREFACE
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"Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work,
nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." -
Ecclesiastes 9:10
The story you are about to read is true. For many years now I, Gary R. Van
Sickle (AKA "JTK"), have been very publically demanding, primarily through
postings in comp.lang.java.advocacy, a better Java than what Sun has been
willing to spoon-feed its customers. I have done this by ridiculing Java's
crippling technical shortcomings, as well as lambasting Sun's unabashed attempts
to lie to the public about such matters as standardization, "Write Once, Run
Anywhere", etc.
It has made me few friends. But a great many powerful enemies.
To kick off the year 2000, those enemies conspired to silence me through a
harassment campaign intended to at the very least get me fired from my job, and
at worst... well, I'd rather not think about how far these evil individuals
would go to silence the truth. I refer to this group of individuals as the
"Gang Of Fourteen", a moniker first suggested by John Lockwood, for reasons that
will become obvious forthwith.
Their story is documented herein. It is known to be incomplete and may contain
inaccuracies. If you have any information you can add to this investigation, or
find any factual errors herein, please post them, and this document will be
filled in, corrected, and reposted as necessary until the full, accurate, sordid
tale is out in the open, for all to see.
Just like the Gang Of Fourteen wants it.
1. MEMBERS OF THE GANG OF FOURTEEN
==================================
The Gang Of Fourteen as of this late date appears to consist solely of its
Principals:
Peter van der Linden (AKA "The Shareholder"*, "van der Liar", "pvdl"),
Ringleader
Phil Earnhardt (AKA "Private Dick")**, Second In Command
"JTK/Gary Van Sickle", Some Fool Posting Under My Legal Name
Before it became obvious to even the dimmest of bulbs that Mr. van der Linden
and Mr. Earnhardt were using the rest of the Gang's members (especially one Mr.
le Locat) to their own nefarious ends (i.e. "get [JTK] removed from this
newsgroup"), the following were known to have some involvement with the Gang Of
Fourteen, the extent of which is unknown and certainly minimal compared to the
evil activities of the Principals above:
Yann le Locat (Real sounding name, probable alias)
"anoncoward" (Likely alias)
"petilon" (Likely alias)
Also deserving of mention, but not believed at this time to have ever been a
member per se of the Gang Of Fourteen, is one Mr. Philip Niznik, AKA "1$worth".
He was merely incited by the Principals to send harassing email (harassing
towards me) to a fellow employee he was told was my supervisor.
A few other unsavory characters seem to "hang" with the Gang Of Fourteen (e.g.,
make excuses for the Gang's unconscionable behavior, etc), but are of little
consequence and warrant no further mention.
The alert reader will note that the total number of individuals does not add up
to fourteen. It is not known if there actually are more members still unknown
to this investigation, or if indeed Mr. van der Linden was being truthful when
he stated that he made up the number of individuals actually involved in the
plot to "remove" me.
* Thanks to Mr. van der Linden's "mistaken" impression that he was a shareholder
in my company (which does not publically trade stock) for this knickname. See
more about this hilarious "mistake" in the timeline below.
** Thanks to Mr. Gary Johnson for this most fitting knickname.
2. TIMELINE OF THE KNOWN ACTIVITIES OF THE GANG OF FOURTEEN
===========================================================
Follwing is a timeline of the known activities of the Gang Of Fourteen as of
this writing. It is certainly incomplete, both due to the Gang's secretive
nature, and the fact that they are still very much active in
comp.lang.java.advocacy. More information will be added as it becomes
available.
FEB ??-4, 2000
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Yann le Locat calls me a "monkey" on upwards of fifteen occaisions, in multiple
posts. Mr. Coward calls me "monkey" and "monkey boy" with comparable frequency.
FEB 4, 2000
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After several days of this nonsense, I call them on their racist epithets. The
way I figure it, nobody needs to be calling anybody "monkey" or "monkey boy", as
I clearly explain in article <389B0E48...@nowhere.com>. Both Mr. le Locat
and Mr. Coward immediately cease and desist their namecalling, albeit without
acknowledging it. Neither will repeat their words again, even when asked to do
so simply to clarify the nature of arguments erupting months in the future over
this subject.
They do however make embarassing attempts, which in fact continue to this day,
to blame *me* for *their* namecalling.
FEB 10, 2000:
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Mr. Coward apologises for calling me "monkey boy":
"Dear JTK,
I was unaware that the word "monkey" can have racist meaning in your society and
towards you in particular. I certainly didn't intend that meaning as I was, and
still am, unaware of your race. You dumb ass racist idiot." -
anonc...@my-deja.com, <87vdj8$ul$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>
What my 'race' has to do with the fact that calling people "monkey boy" is
unacceptable is beyond me. At any rate, I accepted the apology, and considered
the matter closed with Mr. Coward (Obviously the "dumb ass" line was a simple
typographical error).
FEB ??, 2000:
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Mr. Phil Earnhardt contacts the ISP of my employer with the expressed intent of
"getting me removed from this newsgroup" <Message ID TBD>, an intent he later
attempts to deny. He makes it clear that he has no knowledge of who's email
account the truths he does not want told are coming from, only that they come
from someone at my company's place of business. His attempts to get me fired
fail. Hilariously.
APR 20, 2000
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Peter van der Linden attempts to cancel one of my posts, and is caught red
handed by Gary Johnson*. The evidence is as follows:
Path:
news-west.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!newsfeed.onecall.net!nntp.inc.net!test-hog.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news2.best.com!news3.best.com!nntp1.ba.best.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.java,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: cmsg cancel <38FE26E2...@nowhere.com>
From: pv...@best.com (Peter van der Linden)
Date: 20 Apr 2000 00:13:00 GMT
Message-ID: <38fe4b8c$0$2...@nntp1.ba.best.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: shell15.ba.best.com
X-Trace: nntp1.ba.best.com 956189580 223 pv...@206.184.139.147
The attempt failed. Mr. van der Linden unsurprisingly refused to comment on the
issue. As far as is known at this time, this was the only attempt at cancelling
a post of mine by Mr. van der Linden, or anyone else for that matter.
Mr. van der Linden's motives in this particular activity are known only to
himself. I can only speculate that he was investigating the feasibility of
setting up a "cancelbot" to automatically cancel any postings in
comp.lang.java.advocacy that contained any truthful statements.
* Mr. Johnson has requested that I clarify that the above header may not
constitute concrete proof that Peter van der Linden in fact attempted to cancel
a post of mine. What else it could possibly constitute is a question nobody can
seem to answer for me.
DATES UNKNOWN, 2000:
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Peter van der Linden does considerable research to discover who this "JTK"
really is. He goes so far as to come up with a list of "stylistic similarities"
between JTK's writings and Peter's foil Gary R. Van Sickle's writings. He even
claims to have taken up a collection and hired a private investigator to find
out who this 'scourge' JTK really is, a claim he later retracts. He claims to
have called up my place of employment and pumped our receptionist for
information about me.
He claims in article <???> to have done this research at the request of Mr. Yann
le Locat. The true impetus for this extensive research is unknown at the time
of this writing.
AUG 6, 2000:
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Mr. Petilon reveals to me that he knows who JTK really is, by sending the
following short email to my work email address:
> From: Petilon [mailto:[Mr. Petilon's Yahoo email address censored - Ed.]]
> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 4:40 PM
> To: [My work email address censored - Ed.]
> Subject: Microsoft FAQ
>
>
> Hi JTK,
>
> Care to comment about my Microsoft FAQ?
>
> http://www.geocities.com/petilon/
>
> Apu Petilon
> [Mr. Petilon's Yahoo email address censored - Ed.]
> [Yahoo ad stuff snipped]
How he became aware of my work email address, a full twelve days before Mr. le
Locat posted it publically, remains a mystery.
AUG 8, 2000:
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Mr. Coward reveals that he is also now aware of who JTK really is, in c.l.j.a
article <8mpt92$h1j$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, with various lame allusions such as
"Maybe you're not
feeling well. R you sicklee?". Note that this is a full ten days before Mr. le
Locat posted the information publically, but in this case it may not be so
mysterious.
In the article, he addresses me as "Tiberious" [sic], a curious mistake which
indicates to me that the knowledge was communicated to him not in written form,
but rather vocally. I take this mistake as rather strong evidence that Mr.
Coward and Mr. van der Linden are much closer associates than they might want
the participants of this newsgroup to believe, possibly even working at the same
physical installation.
Incidentally, Mr. Coward claims a few days later to have "known for months" who
I really was. Yet this is the earliest indication I can find. Needless to say,
this may be another in a seemingly never-ending barrage of less than truthful
statements from Mr. Coward.
AUG 16, 2000:
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Peter van der Linden sends, via Federal Express, two printed copies of a letter
to the CEO of my company, accusing me of using company computer resources to
post "libellous and false" material to comp.lang.java.advocacy, and alledging
that I did so on company time. Neither he nor my legal counsel saw anything
resembling libel in any of the examples Mr. van der Linden presented. My legal
counsel's opinion, as I had suspected, was that the letter was in fact
actionable harassment against me.
You can read the full text of the unseemly letter(s) in Appendix A, and also in
article <8pmt0r$at3$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>.
AUG 18, 2000:
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Yann le Locat "outs" JTK, posting the information Mr. van der Linden claims to
have obtained for him. This information reveals him to be one Gary R. Van
Sickle, apparently quite an admirable person: he works on GNU/GPL software,
contributes to the distributed SETI@Home Project, designs medical electronic
equipment for a living, and loves the Teletubbies, very much. He also was shown
to have no financial or emotional investment whatsoever in Java, unlike his
accusers.
Here's the post, with the non-essential bits censored:
> From: yann_l...@my-deja.com
> Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.advocacy
> Subject: JTK, Welcome to the world of accountability!
> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:10:06 GMT
> Message-ID: <8nju5c$dg7$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>
>
> Dear fellow participants,
>
> As you have noticed, in the past 2 years, an anonymous poster calling
> himself JTK has been spreading lies and FUD, as well as libellous
> statements. [more of the same lies and libels snipped - Ed.]
>
> So, who is the anonymous JTK that keeps plaguing this NG?
>
> (drums rolling... the audience starts sweating as the suspense builds
> up... more drums rolling...)
>
> ...
>
> Step forward, Gary R. Van Sickle, who leaves [sic] at:
> [Wrong guy's home address and phone number censored]
>
> and works for Braemar Inc.:
> [Right address and phone number censored]
>
> We welcome you to the world of accountability!
> We hope you will enjoy your stay here now that you can post messages
> and be held accountable for them!
>
> I am sure a lot of people have questions to ask you. I, myself, have to
> talk to you about *certains* accusations you made under the cloak of
> anynomity and whether you stand by them under your real name.
>
> [I did. See article <TBD>. - Ed.]
>
> Yann Le Locat
> [Yann's bizarre and unwise habit of posting his own (assumedly accurate, but who knows?) home address and phone number censored for his own good]
>
> ["Stylistic similarity" evidence snipped, essentially the same as in the above-mentioned letter]
Note that I harbor no ill will towards Mr. le Locat for this. He was simply a
stooge, used by Mr. van der Linden in an unconscionable attempt to harass me
into silence, to silence the truth which I am not afraid to espouse.
AUG 18, 2000 (continued):
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Later that day, and continuining on into August 19, Mr. van der Linden,
apparently enraged that I wasn't the wilting lily he was expecting me to be,
posted at least five articles to c.l.j.a with a .sig containing not only the
same (partially incorrect) information Mr. le Locat made public, but also
incitements for others to harass me at both my home and place of employment.
Also added was the outright fabrication (ie lie) that my job title was "junior
network administrator" (I've never been any sort of network administrator, nor
do we even *have* any sort of network administrator on the payroll).
And if all *that* wasn't enough, the second such article contained the following
threat:
"If I hear anything more out of you, other than an apology, I will call your
supervisor and put everything on the table. Do you want that?" - Peter van der
Linden, <TBD>
Ignoring the fact that Mr. van der Linden has yet to tell me what I've done to
him that warrants an apology, I told him that was *exactly* what I wanted him to
do.
To my knowledge, the call has never been placed.
Perhaps that has something to do with the fact that Mr. van der Linden sent his
harassing Federal Express package to the CEO of my company two days *prior* to
the threat.
AUG 18, 2000 (continued):
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Heeding Mr. van der Linden's incitements to harass me and the company I work
for, Mr. Philip Niznik, AKA "1$worth", emails the following letter to a fellow
employee of my employer, under the mistaken impression that she was my
supervisor:
> From: Philip Niznik [Mr. Niznik's email address censored - Ed.]
> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 7:25 PM
> To: [Fellow employee's email censored - Ed.]
> Cc: [My employer's 'catchall' email address censored - Ed.]; [My work email address censored - Ed.]
> Subject: Gary R. Van Sickle
>
>
> Dear [Fellow employee's name censored - Ed.],
>
> Just a quick note to make you aware that one of your employees' is
> posting libellous and insulting material from your servers to the
> newsgroup
> comp.java.lang.advocacy. This brings your good company name into
> disrepute because of the opinions that Gary expresses and it
> would be an
> idea to ask him to stop wasting company time/money on personal issues
> which may land your firm in litigation.
>
> I hope that you can take action to curb this activity as it is very
> offensive for the many people who use this technical forum.
> Thanks in advance for your help.
> Kind Regards,
> Philip Niznik.
I replied to this email, cc'ing Mr. Niznik on it, to explain to my fellow
employee why she was receiving this harassment. Some time later, Mr. van der
Linden (sic) posted that very reply to c.l.j.a [article # to be added to this
FAQ in a later update, unless Mr. van der Linden is able to cancel it from Deja
News]. Despite repeated questioning, Mr. van der Linden has to date refused to
explain the mystery of how that reply came to be in his posession, as the only
addressees were said fellow employee and Mr. Niznik. Clearly, either Peter van
der Linden is (or was) 'wiretapping' my email, or Mr. Niznik forwarded my
private reply to him, possibly under direct orders.
As with too many aspects of Mr. van der Linden's Gang Of Fourteen, we will
probably never know the answer. All we know at this date is that Mr. Niznik has
not been seen in c.l.j.a for many, many months.
AUG 19, 2000:
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As suddenly as he began the bizarre practice, Mr. van der Linden removed all
information concerning me from his .sig. He has been asked on numerous
occaisions why he has now stopped, but so far has refused to explain this odd
change in his posting habits.
AUG 20, 2000:
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Peter van der Linden reveals the existence of the Gang Of Fourteen in article
<8nnlgb$1pud$1...@nntp1.ba.best.com>:
"The reason that fourteen .advocacy posters got together two months ago and
hired a private investigator to trace, trail, and identify Gary Van Sickle and
determine his recent employment history was not because he is an anonymous
poster. [It was because he] took advantage of the shadows to cast the most
insulting abuse on anyone who disagreed with his extreme position."
Huh, that discription sounds more like a few other participants of c.l.j.a that
don't like to have their own medicine force-fed back to them, in triplicate.
Well, at least we can all agree that I never attempted to get anyone fired, huh
Pete?
AUG 20, 2000:
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After an unprecedented firestorm of outrage over the situation from friend and
foe of JTK alike, Peter van der Linden posts another article, this time denying
his previous Gang Of Fourteen claims:
"There is no private investigator tailing Gary Van Sickle, or tracing him.
There is no "group of 14" who paying for a PI. I flat out made up those two
outrageous stories." - Peter van der Linden
Well, there obviously wasn't a *good* one tracing me, seeing as over half of the
information posted is completely wrong, and some was in fact completely
fabricated (e.g. that I was any sort of "network administrator", as claimed by
Mr. van der Linden). Peter goes on to explain that it was in fact *he* who was
the PI, he gathered and/or fabricated all the information that he conned Yann le
Locat into publishing.
Whether or not there was in fact a hired PI is not known at this time. We
obviously cannot tell either way from Mr. van der Linden's contradictory
statements, and have precious little else to go on.
AUG 21, 2000:
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In article <8nrmqj$opj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Mr. le Locat finally admits that what
I had been telling him from the very beginning was in fact true:
""monkey" in some contexts is a racist term (some people told me that here, I
was not aware)"
To date he has not apologized for making the slur. But as mentioned above, he
has stopped using the term to refer to me or anyone else in this forum. I guess
that's the important thing.
SEPT 15, 2000:
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Unwilling to accept that he had failed utterly in his ameturish attempts to
silence me, Peter van der Linden continues to post on and on about why it's "his
business" to silence me. That is, until he claims to be a shareholder of the
company I work for, in article <8ps723$1bn7$1...@nntp1.ba.best.com>:
In article <8ps723$1bn7$1...@nntp1.ba.best.com>,
pv...@best.com (Peter van der Linden) wrote:
> In article <39C183A2...@home.com>,
> James A. Robertson <jar...@mail.com> wrote:
> >Why is it your business? Unless you are a shareholder or a fellow
> >employee, it's not.
>
> Actually James, I *am* a shareholder.
>
Our company is not publicly traded.
Mr. van der Linden unsuccessfully attempts to cancel the post the next day,
claiming, "I made a mistake to post that without having the info to hand".
And if you believe that, I've got this bridge....
At this point, most of the Gang Of Fourteen distance themselves substantially
from Mr. van der Linden's ever-increasinlgy bizarre behavior. His only
remaining compatriots at this point appear to be Phil Earnhardt, who stridently
exhorts that any discussion of Mr. van der Linden's behavior "be taken to
private email" and out of the searing light of public scrutiny, and Jonathan
Revusky, who's own posting behavior, if not actions, are even more bizarre than
Mr. van der Linden's.
JUNE, 2001
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After a long absence from the comp.lang.java.advocacy group due to the
disruption of the Deja News service after it had been purchased by Google Inc.,
and the probably unrelated near-demise of Sun Microsystems (their stock is about
as worthless as Jini at the time of this writing), I return to find that some
very dim bulb has chosen to post under not only my legal name, but also under
"JTK" (I suppose so there'd be no mistaking the crime), as "JTK/Gary Van
Sickle"!. Here are a few sad examples:
<40e76dee.01060...@posting.google.com>
<40e76dee.01060...@posting.google.com> (Note that this one appears to
establish the imposter's presence at "Java One", narrowing the field of possible
culprits to a few dozen).
<40e76dee.01060...@posting.google.com>
From the extremely poor quality and singularly recognizable 'style' of the
posts, it is clear that this is the same person who had, in earlier days of the
Conspiracy, made similar posts under just "JTK" (and some minor variants), prior
to Mr. van der Linden discovering my actual name and inciting people to harass
me.
The motive behind these posts escapes me. Unless of course it is simply a
pathetic attempt to get mentioned in this FAQ, but since it's most likely van
der Linden anyway....
If you have any information as to the true identity of the unwise individual,
please contact me.
3. MOTIVES BEHIND THE GANG OF FOURTEEN'S ACTIVITIES
===================================================
At this point, the real motives of the Gang Of Fourteen's harrassment campaign
towards me are unknown. It is known that the stated reason, assisting Mr. le
Locat in "facing his accusor", is false, since while Mr. le Locat knew who I was
well before he "outed" me, their harassment campaign continued until well after
that, indeed unto this very day.
The unfortunate fact is that we may never know the true reasons behind the evil
deeds of these men. However, it is interesting to note the following
coincidences:
- Peter van der Linden, the Gang's leader, is a fairly well-known employee of
Sun Microsystems, though he makes it a point to never mention that fact in his
postings. He is also rumored to have authored Java-related books.
- Phil Earnhardt is known to be employed at a company with strong ties to Sun
Microsystems. He is extremely embarrased of this fact, and most definitely does
*not* want the general public to know about it. It's another subject he prefers
be "taken to private email".
- "Petilon" has, when pressed, on several occaisions admitted to have worked
under contract for Oracle (which I needn't mention is hand-in-glove with Sun
Microsystems). This is how he explains why he has at times posted to
comp.lang.java.advocacy from an Oracle email address.
- "anoncoward" is a wild-eyed Microsoft-hater and Javapologist. His anti-.NET
postings of the last year or so are an incontrivertible indication of that.
With that, I'll let the Gentle Reader come to his or her own conclusions as to
the real motives behind the harassment campaign conspiracy.
4. EPILOGUE
===========
So there you have it. The sad, true story of a nefarious conspiracy to silence
the truth. But what evil refuses to understand is that the truth can never be
silenced; darkness cannot somehow "absorb" the light, nor silence somehow "drown
out" beautiful music.
Allow me to leave you, Gentle Reader, with one of my many favorites, which to my
knowledge has not been improved upon in the almost two thousand years since it
was first published:
"If it is not seemly, do it not; if it is not true, speak it not." - Marcus
Aurelius, 121-180 AD
Thank you for your time,
Gary R. Van Sickle
Brewer. Patriot.
==================================================================
APPENDIX A: Peter van der Linden's Harassing Letter to my Employer
==================================================================
Transcribed here is, in total, the harassing letter, sent in duplicate (one can
only assume the second copy was for me), to the CEO of my employer, by one Peter
van der Linden. The pageination indications and titles have been added by me.
Page 1: "A Serious Nuisance"
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Peter van der Linden
[Address (which curiously does not include a telephone number, nor any
indication of Mr. van der Linden's association with Sun Microsystems or Java)
censored, a courtesy Mr. van der Linden does not afford others.]
August 16, 2000
Dear Mr [sic] [Name of the CEO of my company censored for all too obvious
reasons],
I am writing to draw your attention to a serious and continuing nuisance which
originates from your company's computer systems. A very large number of public
messages have been posted over the last two years from IP address 209.98.4.167
which is owned by Braemar Inc.
I enclose a small sample of the several thousand messages. You can see that
they contain material which is libellous and false. If each message took just
ten minutes to compose and publish, your company is losing hundreds of hours of
work annually for which it has paid the Braemar employee responsible. Apart
from that I am sure that you appreciate the liability to which these libels
expose Braemar Inc.
In January this year, a complaint was lodged with your company's Internet
Service Provider. The nuisance postings did not cease. These postings are made
using an anonymous user id ("JTK"), but there are a large number of stylistic
similarities to other postings made by your employee Gary Van Sickle. Gary is
also the network contact in your company, which may explain why the complaint in
January did not change anything.
Can you tell me if your company policy permits this kind of Internet activity,
or if you will be preventing it in the future?
Yours sincerely,
[Signature here, underlined for emphasis I suppose]
Peter van der Linden
To: [Name of CEO of my company censored], President
Braemar Inc.
[Braemar's correct address here]
Page 2: "Stylistic Similarities"
================================
Similarities between Usenet posts from JTK and Gary Van Sickle
Note: references [sic] are to the online archive of postings at deja.com. This
contains a record of all public postings made over the past months.
[Editor's note: These appear to have been directly quoted by Mr. le Locat in his
"JTK, Welcome to the world of accountability!" post of August 18
(<8nju5c$dg7$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>), with a few more added for good measure I
suppose.]
1. On personal preference for UltraEdit and EditPad:
JTK:
"Well, obviously there's Notepad itself, so that's one. As for
high-powered text editors, EditPad is one written in Delphi which I
use regularly, as is UltraEdit, written in C++."
http://x63.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=631815025
Gary R. Van Sickle:
"There are a lot of them around, my two current favorites are
UltraEdit by Ian Mead (a shareware Swiss-Army editor, well worth
the $30), and EditPad (a respectable postcard-ware Notepad
replacement)."
http://www.woodsoup.org/projs/ORKiD/before.htm
2. Use of the same quote from Edmund Burke
JTK:
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do
nothing."
http://x73.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=612372817
Gary R. Van Sickle:
As Edmund Burke said over two centuries ago, "The only thing
necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
http://www.woodsoup.org/projs/ORKiD/cygwin.htm
3. Both JTK and Gary are interested in 3D games
JTK:
"In my recreational time, I dink around writing 3D shooters amongst
many other kinds of smaller apps, also in C++."
http://x56.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=654594304
Gary R. Van Sickle: works on the following project
ORKiD is "written entirely in ANSI C++ and is platform-neutral" and
good for "Quake-style first person shooters".
http://www.woodsoup.org/projs/ORKiD/
4. About USB
JTK: JTK has made many, many posts about USB devices.
Gary R. Van Sickle: participates in the USB forums:
http://www.usb.org/forums/developers/webboard_05011999.html
Page 3 (continued)
==================
5. JTK and Gary both find Cygwin to be easy and Windows to be powerful
JTK:
"I want the best of both worlds: the stability of Windows combined
with the ease of use of Unix ;-). I get that with the Cygwin
stuff."
http://x66.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=541298446
Gary R. Van Sickle:
"Cygnus Solutions: Amazing Unix-on-NT port of the GNU toolset which
at long last combines the scalability and robustness of Windows NT
with the ease-of-use of a Unix workstation."
http://www.woodsoup.org/projs/ORKiD/links.htm
6. JTK has talked about binary/text with respect to fopen on c.l.j.a.
Gary R. Van Sickle has posted some messages to the
cygwin mailing lists about the same topic.
7. JTK has said that he is working on GPL software - both Cygwin and Flight
Gear are GPL [actually, Cygwin is not GPL - Ed.] - and he has contributed to
both.
Gary is a contributor to the Flight Gear mailing list.
http://x55.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=537716685
8. "JTK" has expressed knowledge of the Cygnus tools
Gary has expressed a similar knowledge in the Cygwin mailing list:
JTK:
http://x69.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=621176565 (autoconf)
http://x69.deja.com/etdoc.xp?AN=620754143 (autoconf/automake)
http://x55.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=644650197 (cygwin)
Gary:
http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin/2000-05/msg00908.html
(autoconf/automake/cygwin)
9. Both JTK and Gary post from an IP address owned by Braemar Inc.
[Editor's note: The Gentle Reader may find it interesting to compare the editing
that occurred between this August 16th version and the publically-posted August
18th version. And while doing so think of how much effort it took to track all
this unrelated information down.]
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[Editor's note: The rest of the pages are printouts from DejaNews searches,
which as far as I can tell are supposed to show me posting "libellous and false"
statements. See if you can spot them - my lawyer can't.]
>> Forum: comp.lang.java.advocacy
>> Thread: C is WORA, empirical evidence.
>> Message 27 of 34
Subject: Re: C is WORA, empirical evidence.
Date: 11/23/1999
Author: JTK <nob...@nowhere.com>
anonc...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> anonc...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > If you have read the RM-ODP then tell us all what the first sentences of
> > the following sections of
> > 'ITU-T Rec.X.903 (1995) / ISO/IEC 10746-3:1995' are:
> >
> > 4.6 Conformance.
> > 5.3 [Enterprise language] Conformance and reference points
> > 6.3 [Informational language] Conformance and reference points
> > 7.3 [Computational language] Conformance and reference points
> > 8.3 [Engineering language] Conformance and reference points
> > 9.3 [Technology language] Conformance and reference points
> > 10.1 [Consistency Rules ] Computational and Information correspondences
> > 10.2 [Consistency Rules ] Engineering and Computational correspondences
> > 11 ODP Functions
> >
> > If you can, then please - read section 11 and then produce the
> > conformance statement.
> >
> > What are you waiting for; can't you backup your statements?
>
> No answer of course - you're too chicken shit.
As you well know, I already spanked you on this one anonfeeb, you poop chute
licker. Remember? Transparency? I'll repost it for all to enjoy.
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>> Forum: comp.lang.java.advocacy
>> Thread: Abuse of comp.lang.java.advocacy (was What's with the racism all of a sudden?)
>> Message 1 of 1
Subject: Re: Abuse of comp.lang.java.advocacy (was What's with the racism all of
a sudden?)
Date: 02/07/2000
Author: JTK <nob...@nowhere.com>
Yann wrote:
>
> JTK's behaviour in this situation is hardly surprising.
Indeed. Any man of good character would call you on your racist comments.
> The idea is to bring
> people who killfiled him back into his game.
Huh? Yann, I hate to break your fragile ego into a million pieces, but I
couldn't care less that you've supposedly killfiled me (interesting that you can
somehow still read my posts). In fact, as I have said many, many times, I
demand that those of weak mind who have no interest in learning the truth
killfile me immediately. I refuse to be held responsible for educating even a
single person who does not wish to be educated. HINT: That's you Yann.
Killfile me for real. I demand that you do so.
> He is outrageously provocative
> for that reason.
No sir, the truth is 'outrageously provocative' to those who do not wish to hear
it. But don't fret, you have an ideal solution to that problem: killfile me for
real, immediately. You'll never have to hear the truth
[...and here's where the printout of this post, as contained in Mr. van der
Linden's letter, stops. Quite curious, considering the content of the rest of
the post, which is reprinted here for the Gentle Reader's convenience. - Ed.]
about Java ever again, at least from me.
> Another example is how he refers to Jonathan Reversky as an
> alcoholic, without any job.
That is simply an example of fighting fire with fire, as you are of course well
aware. And frankly my dear Yann, if you count Jonny Reversky (it's actually
Revusky, BTW) as a compatriot, I feel sorry for you.
> So in that sense, I am not surprised by his
> attitude.
>
Nor should you be. I fight for truth, justice, and the American way. If you
choose to stand up and be counted with the enemy, so be it. Don't expect the
venerable JTK to cut you any slack.
> What really surprises me though, is the lack of real condemnation of his
> attitude from regular participants.
Yeah, gee, that is a mystery. Maybe they know something you don't?
> Apart from you, Anon and Jonathan,
Wow, what a braintrust! Seriously Yann, you know better than to associate
yourself with this motley crew of anonymous corporate shills.
> nobody seems to want to shout loud what should indeed be shouted loud.
>
Shout what? "Monkey boy"? I'd have to figure that most participants here are
mature enough that they don't feel the need to spew your brand of racist
epithets.
> I was one of the people accused of racism.
You were the instigator. Anon simply parroted your 'monkey boy' line, since
parroting is one of the few things he's good at.
> There is no need to explain how
> offensive that is,
Indeed there isn't. The offensiveness of 'monkey boy' speaks for itself. I'm
glad you agree. Now why don't you simply apologise for your racist remark so we
can get on with the pointless Java bickering?
> particularly since the person who made the accusation is
> not accountable for his words.
Which words were those again? JTK stands by every word he's ever posted here.
Do you stand by your 'monkey boy' remarks? You posted enough of them.
> I decide to post under my real name.
Yeah, 'Yann'. My real name is 'Bob'. So are we even now?
> Whatever
> I say here will possibly be archived for the eternity and I am accountable
> now *and* for the future for it.
You and every other 'Yann' in the world.
> When I call JTK a monkey or a sad loser, I
> take responsibility for it.
>
Right. Just like I take full responsibility for calling you on your racism.
> In the country where I come from, France,
Oh Christ, he's a frog. Taken a bath this week, froggy?
(100 to 1 he gets the irony there)
> if someone called me a racist at a
> public debate (either written down or at a public place) I could sue that
> person for it. You don't call someone a racist unless you have a very good
> reason to do so and enough to back it up. There are laws to protect people's
> public image.
>
Here in the good old US of A (who by the way has saved your country's kiester on
more than a few occaisons I might add), we have a saying: "If the shoe fits,
it's ugly".
> Here comes someone who posts under a fake identity, calls someone a racist
> without being accountable for it. I hope people will see the true vile
> nature of such a character.
>
Two words for ya Yann: "Monkey Boy".
I hope people will see the true vile nature of such a character.
> I am taking the stand that such an attitude is unacceptable in this NG.
I am first.
> It's
> not about whether Java is slow or not, whether Java runs on more than 2
> platforms, or whether Jini is vapour or not. It is about the abuse of
> comp.lang.java.advocacy as a medium.
>
Hear hear! Anyone who has nothing better to do that hurl racist epithets at
others deserves to be banned from this newsgroup. That's you Yann.
> Therefore, I am seriously asking everybody to stand up against JTK's
> outrageous behaviour.
>
> Yann.
Therefore, I am seriously asking every "monkey boy" out there to stand up to
Yann's outrageous attempt to deny his racist behavior.
JT "Monkey Boy" K
[Editor's note: Man, that was one of my better posts! No wonder Mr. van der
Linden chose to 'shorten' it.]
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[Editor's note: I can't find anyone who can tell me if this is supposed to be
"libellous" or "false" or both.]
>> Forum: comp.lang.java.advocacy
>> Thread: Two questions for Phil Earnhardt [Jonathan Revusky's answer]
>> Message 2 of 3
Subject: Re: Two questions for Phil Earnhardt [Jonathan Revusky's answer]
Date: 03/02/2000
Author: JTK <nob...@nowhere.com>
My God Yann, what has happened to you? Seriously? You are aligning yourself
with *reversky*? Have you recently had a serious head injury or something? I
mean Jesus Tap-dancing Christ, you used to at least be lucid, if virulently
suckered by the Java Conspiracy. Now it looks like you've gone completely off
the deep end.
Lordy, the thought of *anybody* using the term 'we' in relation to themselves
and *reversky*... I just can't fathom it, it's like saying "Oh yeah, me and Joe
Stalin, we were out at the local pub having a beer". Please seek professional
help Yann, your mental haelth is obviously degenerating quickly.
[snip] [sic]
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>> Forum: comp.lang.java.advocacy
>> Thread: slandering anonymous newsgroup participants
>> Message 4 of 6
Subject: Re: slandering anonymous newsgroup participants
Date: 01/24/2000
Author: JTK <nob...@nowhere.com>
"Seán Ó Donnchadha" wrote:
>
> In a suicidal mood, Revusky wrote:
>
BAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!
> >
> > One of these days, you'll probably become more of a human being and
> > you'll realize that in this world, you don't go around calling someone a
> > McCarthyite, a fascist, or a slanderer if he damn well isn't any of
> > those things.
> >
>
> Oh, but "corporate shill" is OK, eh Jonathan?
Oh shut up Sean, you lying anonymous corporate shill member of the Reality is a
Point of View party! Can't you see I'm drunk!
Oh my God, I'm thinking I'm reversky again! I REALLY gotta lay of this Tequila!
One more bottle and then I quit!
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[Or, "Deja News All Over Again". This one's even more aggregious than the
first. - Ed.]
>> Forum: comp.lang.java.advocacy
>> Thread: Abuse of comp.lang.java.advocacy (was What's with the racism all of a sudden?)
>> Message 1 of 1
Subject: Re: Abuse of comp.lang.java.advocacy (was What's with the racism all of
a sudden?)
Date: 02/08/2000
Author: JTK <nob...@nowhere.com>
Yann wrote:
>
> Coyote <sca...@joltswift.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:87nb0k$5vl$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> > Wouldn't this be just one <B>boring</B> NG if all we got, were Java
> > enthousiasts patting each other on the back and saying how great Java
> > is ?
>
> What has this got to do with the fact that an identifiable victim (me) is
> accused of being a racist?
>
Who are you Yann? What's your last name? Where can I get in touch with you so
I can call you a racist to your face?
> > If anything JTK is as much a victim of name calling as a perpetrator.
> While
> > I might not agree with everything he says, I think a lot of the annimosity
> > towards him may be attributed to the fact that what he says is pretty
> close
> > to the truth, (or atleast food for serious thought ;-P)
>
[Printout sent to my CEO stops here, strangely enough. And yet the post
continues on for quite a few more pages, reprinted here for the Gentle Reader's
convenience. - Ed.]
> You are pretty damned confused.
>
> I AM THE ONLY IDENTIFIABLE VICTIM!!!!
>
"There is no other rational explanation on why the monkey is
^^^^^^
poisoning this NG.
The monkey must be scared...
^^^^^^
It's obvious that the monkey works for an organisation that has got all the
^^^^^^
interest in the world to see Java fail. I was suspecting that
organisation
to have interest in USB. The monkey gave away some indication that he was
^^^^^^
writing low-level devices [hence his incapacity to comprehend high level
computing paradigms].
The monkey must be scared..." - "Yann",<87cffk$h0s$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>
^^^^^^
"I think the monkey can't handle the thought of it." - "Yann",
<87ck4c$jns$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>
"...There are only 2 possibilities (apart from not wanting to take a stand on
this
issue):
a) endlessly argue with the monkey (why Jini is not a protocol, why there
^^^^^^
are some useable Java apps, why Java runs on more than 2
platforms...) b) killfile the monkey
^^^^^^
You get disavantages for both. [...] Life's too short you know.
And you never get rid of the monkey anyway. For b) you take a
^^^^^^
risk that newbies and brainless people believe the utter rubbish
the monkey can come up with.
^^^^^^
Well, I say that I'd rather inform newbies on the situation than waste
any more time with the monkey. [...] I am taking the stand that the
^^^^^^
abuse of medium by the monkey is unnacceptable.
^^^^^^
[...] Surely, they just can't rely on you to deal with
the monkey.
^^^^^^
- Yann. <87efgi$8nc$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>
> Can you understand what we are talking about?
>
Indeed we can. You're talking about "monkeys". Trouble is, I ain't a monkey,
I'm a human being.
> You are making an amalgame here and I urge you to think about what is being
> talked about.
>
The subject is racism.
> > That is very commendable, but also foolish. I used to post under my own
> name
> > and that has contributed to making it hard to find a job when I needed
> one.
>
> The all point is that I am accountable where JTK is not (and I feel sorry
> for you because I've had job offers).
>
And they didn't even know your last name? How'd that work?
> > Sticks and stones can break your bones, but names can never hurt you!
> > I for one don't think you made any racist remarks. This is UseNet,
> > we don't even know if it is the real you who is posting.
> > Perhaps you are JTK having an argument with his alter-ego?
>
> Well, let me repeat it.
>
Please don't. We've had enough of your "monkey boy"'s for a lifetime.
> The only identifiable victim is me, Yann Le Locat (BSc Hons Computing, MSc
> by Research in Music Technology) working as an Analyst Programmer for IMS
> Plc, Leeds, UK.
>
So now you're going to post your full name?!?
> > What ever... don't let it bug you ;-)
>
> Listen, whoever posts under Coyote, I need some serious support, not some
> kind of weak comments. I'd rather you shut up if you can't openly support
> either JTK or me. There isn't a neutral position in the current situation.
>
Listen Yann, for God's sake just apologise for your racist comments and we can
get on with our lives. Be a man for once in your life.
> Yann.
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>> Forum: comp.lang.java.advocacy
>> Thread: Abuse of comp.lang.java.advocacy (was What's with the racism all of a sudden?)
>> Message 1 of 1
Subject: Re: Abuse of comp.lang.java.advocacy (was What's with the racism all of
a sudden?)
Date: 02/08/2000
Author: JTK <nob...@nowhere.com>
Jason Kratz wrote:
>
> No falling into anything Yann. Its a choice to respond or not. I see
> you're making the choice reading his posts as well after saying you
> killfiled him.
>
> Jason
>
Yeah I noticed that too. A racist and a liar, wow, what a combo.
> Yann <ylel...@ims.ltd.uk> wrote in message
> news:87oku8$12p$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > Jason Kratz <Jason...@excite.com> wrote back to JTK when a minute ago he
> > was advocating to ignore him
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > There you go Jason. Falling in JTK's trap.
> >
> > Yann.
> >
> >
JTK
"Does anybody here remember le Locat?
Remember how he said that
We would meet again
Some sunny day..." - Pink Floyd, from "The Wall", I think.
anoncoward
Sigh...
1)I won't give you the pleasure of refuting your
labeling of me as a racist, yet again.
2)You're still wrong about RM-ODP and USB :-).
3)Tiberious is actually a common misspelling - check deja.
You chose to see a conspiracy where there is none.
> - "anoncoward" is a wild-eyed Microsoft-hater and Javapologist.
> His anti-.NET postings of the last year or so are an
> incontrivertible indication of that.
Oh, come on now!
I don't recal posting anything *anti* Microsoft .Net (tm),
personally I think .Net looks pretty good.
Please back this up with references to these supposed anti .Net posts,
Gary R. Van Sickle.
On the other hand I don't see Gary R. Van Sickle applying
his anti-Java arguments to the similar areas of .Net. Only to be expected I
suppose - JTK, complains when people contact his service provider and does
the *exact* *same* thing to other posters! The sheer hypocrisy of it!
Steve
> To kick off the year 2000, those enemies conspired to silence me through a
> harassment campaign intended to at the very least get me fired from my job, and
> at worst...
To copy the title from another thread shouldn't this be called
"Java Community Process Working" ? :)
Steve
John Lockwood
Smiley noted, but: Hardly. That's not part of any Java Community
Process that I'd care to be a part of.
Steve
I am a sucker for a quick joke :). I should have just ignored the
thread instead of feeding him attention.
I have to say though, that the quality of his trolling has gone down
hill since I first started reading this group two years ago.
I was a fresh out of school programmer then. Back then JTK was more
of the ilk of the professional fudster of the kind Roedy describes.
At the time he sounded technically astute to me and appeared as merely
an intelligent professional with comments to make. Now I would say
that he has eroded away to be being "the bratty 10 year style" troll.
Just someone making simple, whiny, caustic statements in a desperate
attempt to get attention. Maybe there was more then one "JTK" and the
older, more techinally astute one moved on to be replaced by the
"bratty 10 year old".
John Lockwood <jo...@particlewave.com> wrote in message news:<0kedit0v9h56jhokb...@4ax.com>...
James Carroll
"JTK" <dfdsg...@sdhkfsdhh.com> wrote in message
news:6e0V6.3512$pb1.1...@www.newsranger.com...
Jason Kratz
"James Carroll" <jamesd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:oREV6.80$p7.3...@newsrump.sjc.telocity.net...
> Dude, try DeCaf.
>
Did you find any specific reason to quote his whole post to just add one
line?
JTK
>
>JTK<dfdsg...@sdhkfsdhh.com> wrote in message news:<6e0V6.3512$pb1.1...@www.newsranger.com>...
>
>Sigh...
>
>1)I won't give you the pleasure of refuting your
> labeling of me as a racist, yet again.
Well you're not calling people "monkey boy" anymore. Who knows, maybe even
anonymous cowards can change.
>2)You're still wrong about RM-ODP and USB :-).
<mountain dew sprays out nose> BAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAAA!!!
And here ol' JTK thought you didn't have a sense of humor!
>3)Tiberious is actually a common misspelling - check deja.
>
Indeed it is, indeed it is, especially if the word has been communicated orally
instead of in writing. Hard to imagine how that "o" could get in there if you
had "tiberius" staring you right in the face.
>You chose to see a conspiracy where there is none.
>
How many people does it take harassing a guy and illegally posting under his
name to make it a conspiracy, Mr. Coward?
>> - "anoncoward" is a wild-eyed Microsoft-hater and Javapologist.
>> His anti-.NET postings of the last year or so are an
>> incontrivertible indication of that.
>Oh, come on now!
>I don't recal posting anything *anti* Microsoft .Net (tm),
>personally I think .Net looks pretty good.
WHOAH!...
>Please back this up with references to these supposed anti .Net posts,
>Gary R. Van Sickle.
>
...ouch, yeah, I will as soon as my wiplash heals! That was one HELL of a 180!
>On the other hand I don't see Gary R. Van Sickle applying
>his anti-Java arguments to the similar areas of .Net.
I should do so why now? I still can't get an explanation as to what ".NET" even
is supposed to someday be! You wouldn't want me arguing from a position of
ignorance now, would you?
Until I get some sort of "Write Once, Run Anywhere" lie to go on, and some
reason to care, I'll just be ignoring ".NET" completely, as I'm sure most
professional developers will be doing.
> Only to be expected I
>suppose - JTK, complains when people contact his service provider and does
>the *exact* *same* thing to other posters! The sheer hypocrisy of it!
Who's name did I illegally post under again, Mr. Coward? Yeah, I knew you could
see the difference.
Which reminds me, my complaint seems to have done little good. Perhaps it's
time for the next stage....
--
JTK
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up
and hurry off as if nothing happened." - Winston Churchill
noone at nowhere
here is a picture of me at my workstation. The better to know me. "Hide
not thy face in the day when I am in trouble" Psalms 102:2
http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/jtk_again/vwp?.dir=/Work&.src=ph&.dnm=bwhahahah.jpg
Don't hate me because I am beautiful.
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto
whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within
full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness."
Matthew 23:27
BWHAHAHAHA
the one true JTK
anoncoward
> >Sigh...
> >
> >1)I won't give you the pleasure of refuting your
> > labeling of me as a racist, yet again.
>
> Well you're not calling people "monkey boy" anymore. Who knows, maybe even
> anonymous cowards can change
>
> >2)You're still wrong about RM-ODP and USB :-).
>
> <mountain dew sprays out nose> BAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAAA!!!
You are 100% wrong about USB - an objective FACT.
The SETI thing, well of course I was being very pedantic with my definitions -
so you could be said to only be 50% wrong there :-)
> And here ol' JTK thought you didn't have a sense of humor!
>
> >3)Tiberious is actually a common misspelling - check deja.
> >
>
> Indeed it is, indeed it is, especially if the word has been communicated
> orally instead of in writing. Hard to imagine how that "o" could get in
> there if you had "tiberius" staring you right in the face.
Gary I can assure you that I received no such "oral" communication.
It is very simple Gary, I knew your alias stood for James Tiberious Kirk,
the fact that I stuck an 'o' in is meaningless. Your flights of paranoia
are really getting the better of you.
> >You chose to see a conspiracy where there is none.
> >
> How many people does it take harassing a guy
Hey, you're the one complaining to people's ISPs - you're the one harassing.
By your argument, you constitute your own little conspiracy!
Your hypocrisy is staggering!
> and illegally posting under his
> name to make it a conspiracy, Mr. Coward?
LOL...and which "law" would that be?
As I've told you many, many times Gary - if you have a legal recourse then
shut the hell up and get on with the legal recourse. All this blathering
is just, well, very very tiresome.
> >> - "anoncoward" is a wild-eyed Microsoft-hater and Javapologist.
> >> His anti-.NET postings of the last year or so are an
> >> incontrivertible indication of that.
> >Oh, come on now!
> >I don't recal posting anything *anti* Microsoft .Net (tm),
> >personally I think .Net looks pretty good.
>
> WHOAH!...
Perhaps WHOAH in *your* mind, unsuprisingly - it seems a lot of information
reaching it is severely distorted.
> >Please back this up with references to these supposed anti .Net posts,
> >Gary R. Van Sickle.
> >
> ...ouch, yeah, I will as soon as my wiplash heals!
> That was one HELL of a 180!
As I say, perhaps in your mind.
Objectively there is no 180, even though you bashers like to paint me in
such a light (notice "Ermine"'s and Simon's silence when challenged).
How on EARTH could I bash .Net if it pretty much resembles 95% of Java?
That would be almost as hypocritical as you complaining to a poster's ISP.
The one area that I've sought clarification is it's cross platform abilities.
I happen to think this area important.
Now, please - back up your statement with URLs, or withdraw your statement.
> >On the other hand I don't see Gary R. Van Sickle applying
> >his anti-Java arguments to the similar areas of .Net.
>
> I should do so why now?
> I still can't get an explanation as to what ".NET"
Suuuure, Gary.
Let me make it really simple for you, Gary:
.Net is Java without the cross platformness (at least for the moment, I'm told).
Simple enough?
Now, why don't you start applying your anti-Java arguments to .Net?
Huh?
I've never seen such bad faith in all my posting life! Staggering!