how Stephen Pelc = Victor Frankenstein

[hughag...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 12:21:22 PM UTC-7, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Sunday, 2 June 2019 16:50:19 UTC+1, Shametaske wrote:
> > This is it : Shametaske shining once again.
> > ============================================
> >
> > A total ignorant of Forth , with a shameless kiosk of rotten books without
> >
> > any value. Another scam, the truth is the truth. Forth language loses again
> >
> > --> Amazon wins, another coin to Jeff Bezos.
>
> WARNING: WATCH OUT FOR IDENTITY THIEVES ON CLF https://www.facebook.com/peter.forth.583
> In addition to just a copyright criminal, Peter Forsau is now stealing identities as well and posts whatever he feels like
> In their name but - everybody can quite simply check this via the IP address where the post comes from.
> Mental disturbance at its best, hopefully leading to walls around him soon.
> As he hates the Forth Bookshelf I created so much, this link is probably the best verifier at the end of my posts
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM

Stephen Pelc has created a monster!
When Juergen Pintaske was employed at MPE in marketing,
Stephen Pelc told him that he is a mighty Forth expert,
because sales clowns need this kind of hot air to
puff up their hollow chests. All salesmen are fake experts.
Zig Ziglar agrees: salesmen should "identify with the product."
Juergen Pintaske felt so proud of his new-found expertise
that he believed he was qualified to write a book on Forth!
Juergen Pintaske wanted to educate plebeians such as myself!
Juergen Pintaske wrote a book: "A Start with Forth 2017."
This "book" was basically a sales brochure for MPE.

Juergen Pintaske later got fired from MPE for being insane.
But Juergen Pintaske didn't disappear!
Juergen Pintaske now has his "Forth Bookshelf" in which
he sells old books, claiming to be the coauthor.
He lists himself as the coauthor with such Forth luminaries as:
Charles Moore, Leo Brodie, C.H. Ting, Brad Rodriquez,
Stephen Pelc, Dr. Meinzer, etc..
We are amazed to see that he coauthored such famous books as:
"Starting Forth," "Moving Forth" and
"Programming a Problem Oriented Language."

This is very similar to the famous story by Mary Shelley.
In that book, Victor Frankenstein builds a monster out of
an assortment of old body parts of other people, all dead.
This is similar to how Juergen Pintaske's Forth expertise
is built out of an assortment of old books by other people.
Victor Frankenstein abandons his monster for being insane
but it doesn't die; it continues terrorizing the community!
This is similar to how Stephen Pelc abandoned Juergen Pintaske
for being insane but Juergen doesn't disappear;
Juergen continues terrorizing the Forth community as a fake expert!
Victor Frankenstein's monster appears to be a shambling crazy,
but it is actually quite dangerous, with the strength of 10 men.
Similarly, Juergen Pintaske appears to be a shambling crazy,
but he is quite dangerous, routinely threatening lawsuits.

Of course, Peter Forth is equally crazy.
He is the peasant who chases the monster around the countryside
brandishing a torch and pitchfork, while shouting incoherently.

BTW: It seems odd that Juergen Pintaske worries so much about
identity theft, considering that he spells his own name
inconsistently. I spelled it here as: Juergen Pintaske.
He sometimes spells it as: Jurgen Pitaske.
Which is it?
This is similar to how, in Mary Shelley's book, the monster
was never given a name. Victor Frankenstein created it and
told it that it was alive, but he neglected to give it a name,
although a name is a fundamental attribute of being alive.

[Peter Forth]

Hugh probably you can read my mind, because I wanted to express the
same situation. There is a strong parallelism with the story of Frankenstein
in the story of Pintaske and Pelc.
I would say : Pelc created a JUERGENSTEIN (out of a socket-puppet)

But I have nothing to do with the rave of Pintaske of the last days
against the forum. It all started when this MPE customer complaining to
Pelc.
My only crime, (according Pintaskes perturbed mind) is to have
a free PDF collection of books online. He calls me a criminal, and
threats me to close my site with Amazon lawyers, and in the past he insulted
me for having PDFs and videos of Forth online(all free and public stuff).

1) First of all I have any book on my site, I have only a list of links
to that Forth documents, so newcomers to Forth can find it faster.
It took me some months to collect all that information, I do this as hobby
and to help people to learn forth programming.

I adverted Mr. Pelc about the implicances of having a Marketing director
that insults the Forth community in public forums, also customers of Pelc MPE
which are of course also forthers.

Now Pintaske thinks I am behind all attacks he receives from every one in this
forum, but he can´t realize all the people he has upset with his rants and
spam in all those years ! He has been working hard to earn the title of the
most hated personality in the Forth community.
So, please do not enter into this stupid game of accusing me without evidence.

2)
Pintaske is posting all the time my Facebook account, and telling everybody
that he can see my list of friends...And he forgot the most important part
People have to know that Pintaske is not my friend , so actually he can
not have access to that list, except if he is hacking my account !

This is another warning for customers of MPE, that a former employee, a
Marketing director can hack accounts inside the forth community.
If this continues Pelc will end with any customers at all.

All bombs and torpedoes Pintaske is throwing on blind fury and without direction, are falling onto Pelc´s head and into MPE company. The first
customer recently showed up with a complaint, the rest will run away without saying nothing...
Since Pintaske is a complete failure, a total disaster, and has anything
to lose and no shame on his face (and no company to protect) for him is all
well, he will continue destroying everything and insulting everybody he crosses
in his way.

3) There is another possibility :
If Pintaske is doing this with the purpose of sabotage to MPE, he is doing
a great job, because in short time no one in their right mind,
will want to buy or open any MPE software product at the risk to be hacked
and all your FB account and privacy , email, etc will be exposed in public
or accessed illegally.
(As dumb as Pintaske is, I can not believe this capacity belongs to him)

What can I say, I feel sorry for Mr. Pelc, but he is carrying the consequences
of having a total ignorant of Forth inside his company using the image of MPE
as a shield, (as he uses the 4th Gesellschaft logo FIG Germany) and Charles Moore and Dr. Ting´s book , to encover his insults, rants, spamming, and all
atrocities he is undertaking in the name of "saving Forth" he is destroying
the whole Forth village as the real JUERGENSTEIN monster. And his first victim
is his creator. Probably Mr Pelc transplanted into Juergenstein a brain of
a thief, this would explain his obsession to rob public domain Forth documents
and transform them into Jeff Bezzos bitcoins.

[Rick C]

On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 12:08:22 AM UTC-4, Peter Forth wrote:
>
> Hugh probably you can read my mind, because I wanted to express the
> same situation. There is a strong parallelism with the story of Frankenstein
> in the story of Pintaske and Pelc.
> I would say : Pelc created a JUERGENSTEIN (out of a socket-puppet)
>
> But I have nothing to do with the rave of Pintaske of the last days
> against the forum. It all started when this MPE customer complaining to
> Pelc.

I think I have figured out the great mystery of why Forth is such an ignored language. These are the sorts of people we have promoting it.

Dear Lord, can it get much worse than this?

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[Jurgen Pitaske]

It seemns this is a coordinated effort now from two insanes I can only say:

[Jurgen Pitaske]

I feel very sorry for any commercial people here who cannot even send a link to their customers about CLF as of these mainly two mental desasters here.

These two have no jobs
and have no friends
so have to use this forum to have any communication and force their shit onto us.
Some people here even like to tickle them for their own entertainment.

And for anybody who wants to use Forth for a commercial project - then this is the wrong place to post or ask, and not representative of the language Forth - very unpredictable here.

Try the Forth Facebook group instead - growing nicely. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PROGRAMMINGFORTH/permalink/2108199666146723/

If you do not behave there,
you simply get thrown out and your posts deleted
- no Peter Forth there and
- no Hugh Aquilar there
- for very good reasons.

Oh, and by the way, the cover picture at the top there is my project of the MicroBox. Forth on an MSP430.

And for our local Forthkiller number 2:

[Jurgen Pitaske]

[Paul Rubin]

Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> writes:
> I feel very sorry for any commercial people here who cannot even send
> a link to their customers about CLF as of these mainly two mental
> desasters here.

IMHO your own recent posting style is not helping CLF's environment very
much either. I'd suggest keeping posts shorter (don't quote so much)
and less ranty, though I understand how resisting temptation can be
difficult.

> Try the Forth Facebook group instead

No thanks, I don't want to use Facebook for anything.

> Oh, and by the way, the cover picture at the top there is my project
> of the MicroBox. Forth on an MSP430.

I don't see the picture--do you mean on Facebook or somewhere else? Web
search makes it look like the MicroBox is based on the old TI
MSP430G2553 LaunchPad board, which is now quite a lot more expensive
than it used to be. I wonder whether the BBC Micro:Bit would be a
better target these days, since it costs almost the same while having
wider availability and more experimenter features.

[Jurgen Pitaske]

I would have liked the microbit as a Forth Target as there are it seems a million of these out there - but the local specialists here say now that the microbit is not used very much.
But even then there is mecrisp only it seems.
Mecrisp had been kindly ported by Matthias Koch to the microbit when I asked him at the time and sent him a microbit to do the job.

And as it happens, the same binary works as well on Calliope - the German version - see https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1095518488/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i27

Unfortunately only facebook is a version where you can eject idiots; it is the only version I know of - but there might be others ...

- except if the commercial suppliers would implement controlled blogs on their websites.
Which are not available now.

And Yes, the MicroBox was a project based on the good old MSP430G2553 DIL Package - TI sent us 1000 chips free of charge at the time for this project
- and there are a few Forths for it and I still have probably 100 boards waiting for chips and usage.

As part of the Scouts Jamboree we acually achieved an IET Video of the build https://www.eurocircuits.com/blog/eurocircuits-supports-iet-activity-at-peakcamp-201/
And built about 350 "Beating Hearts" as we called them.

- but the same board had been designed to be usable for up to DIL 20 for any good old TTL or HCT chips for prottyping. Tried it myself.

We are working on the ARM board option now and will probably have boards for this soon. Or you can use the many ST boards out there.

The posters here will probably know better anyway - but do we care?
They are one each as we are. So the same level of power.

[Jurgen Pitaske]

Not sure what you mean.
When I started with promoting Forth
it was fun - and now there are about 20 Forth Book publications
which bring in a little money from the "probably" non-Forth community - none of the know-betters here ...
Does it matter - not really as nobody else promotes Forth anyway as it seems.
I am actually quite proud about the Forth Bookshelf I created https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM.
amazon works well - and this will be still there when we all are dead
- for the next generation of programmers as there is no new Forth books I have seen.

[Rick C]

DUDE! You are forth killer #3. If you think otherwise you are kidding yourself. Since I continue to try to explain this to you in spite of your repeated denials, maybe I am #4.

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[Peter Forth]

MPE is also a good place that drop idiots.

They droped you Juergen, not long ago.

And for what I saw on their´s site, Stephen replaced you by a cute
and intelligent dog.
It seems he does thing better than you do, probably he knows more Forth
than you, and he will not bite the hand of his owner.

And he knows where to make number2, not like you that dispose
the worst in CLF and then accuse without proof other people,
when this forum is infested with your vulgar cursing and swearing,
all vulgarities that do not belong on a technical programming forum.

But you hacked my FB account, you have no authorization to hack and see
my friendslists of FB and divulgue on CLF. This is another of your lack of
moral acts, that forced Stephen to drop you off his company, probably
you put him on shame as you do with yourself in FB and CLF.

So I would not recommend Paul Rubin to enter into FB, you will later
rob his personal information and copy and paste everywhere as you did
with me, and the other guy of MVP press.

You are a real shame for the forth community. The last nail in the coffin
of forth.

[Rick C]

On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 5:35:22 PM UTC-4, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
>
> I would have liked the microbit as a Forth Target as there are it seems a million of these out there - but the local specialists here say now that the microbit is not used very much.
> But even then there is mecrisp only it seems.
> Mecrisp had been kindly ported by Matthias Koch to the microbit when I asked him at the time and sent him a microbit to do the job.
>
> And as it happens, the same binary works as well on Calliope - the German version - see https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1095518488/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i27
>
> Unfortunately only facebook is a version where you can eject idiots; it is the only version I know of - but there might be others ...

Isn't Facebook the stomping ground of the one you detest? I suppose there is more than one Forth group on Facebook. I tried joining just to visit that group and I was kicked out because "he" didn't like the screen name I used. Surprise...

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[Jurgen Pitaske]

and to put a stamp here as anything can happen with using Forth :

[Jurgen Pitaske]

I just suggested the one I know - there is a bigger world out there as and I you say - if they did not like you to join - was there a reason?

[dxforth]

On Saturday, 6 July 2019 06:51:33 UTC+10, Paul Rubin wrote:
> Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> writes:
> > I feel very sorry for any commercial people here who cannot even send
> > a link to their customers about CLF as of these mainly two mental
> > desasters here.
>
> IMHO your own recent posting style is not helping CLF's environment very
> much either. I'd suggest keeping posts shorter (don't quote so much)
> and less ranty, though I understand how resisting temptation can be
> difficult.
>
> > Try the Forth Facebook group instead
>
> No thanks, I don't want to use Facebook for anything.

+1

Anything with 'likes' and 'followers' I avoid like the plague. I wouldn't
give Ebay sellers 'stars' but for the fact they insist on it.

[Alex McDonald]

On 06-Jul-19 13:05, dxforth wrote:

>
> +1
>
> Anything with 'likes' and 'followers' I avoid like the plague. I wouldn't
> give Ebay sellers 'stars' but for the fact they insist on it.
>

If usenet did irony...

Have a +1 from me. ;)

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[aldous.w.@yahoo.com]

On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 11:11:43 PM UTC-3, hughag...@gmail.com wrote:

Juergen Pintaske = Stasi snitcher is back to clf

[John Hardy]

None of these Pintaske books are worth anything. You can get these texts directly from their authors or free online.

[none albert]

In article <bdae4d63-f2a6-4d7f...@googlegroups.com>,

John Hardy <j...@lagado.com> wrote:
>None of these Pintaske books are worth anything. You can get these texts
>directly from their authors or free online.

Everybody is free to purchase printed books if they don't like reading
online.
What would be despicable if Pintaske was to try to get the free books
removed from the internet, and then asked exorbitant prices.

Groetjes Albert
>
--
This is the first day of the end of your life.
It may not kill you, but it does make your weaker.
If you can't beat them, too bad.
albert@spe&ar&c.xs4all.nl &=n http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst

[Jurgen Pitaske]

On Tuesday, 20 October 2020 at 14:39:38 UTC+1, John Hardy wrote:
> None of these Pintaske books are worth anything. You can get these texts directly from their authors or free online.

It seems you are the one person here who knows the facts about Forth lierature and expresses them very clearly
You had a look at my Forth Bookshelf at https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM

I can see how you judge these people who authored most of these:

What Chuck Moore writes is worthless
What Dr. Chen Hanson Ting writtes is worthless
What Tom Hendtlass writes is worthless
What Leo Brodie writes is worthless
What Brad Rdrigues wrties is worthless
What Leo Wong writes is useless

And more of them

All of these brilliant documents can be replaced by

THE JOHN HARDY BOOKS ABOUT WHAT ??????

What a wonderful personality you are.


and for you as well as it seems you do not know what the Forth Bookshelf is:

The current Forth Bookshelf can be found at
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM

1 Charles Moore - Forth - The Early Years: Background information about the beginnings of this Computer Language
2 Charles Moore - Programming A Problem Oriented Language: Forth - how the internals work
3 Leo Brodie - Starting Forth -The Classic
4 Leo Wong – Juergen Pintaske – Stephen Pelc FORTH LITE TUTORIAL: Code tested with free MPE VFX Forth, SwiftForth and Gforth
5 Juergen Pintaske – A START WITH FORTH - Bits to Bites Collection – 12 Words to start, then 35 Words, Javascript Forth on the Web, more
6 Stephen Pelc - Programming Forth: Version July 2016
7 Brad Rodriguez - Moving Forth / TTL CPU / B.Y.O. Assembler
8 Tim Hentlass - Real Time Forth

9 Chen-Hanson Ting - Footsteps In An Empty Valley issue 3
10 Chen-Hanson Ting - Zen and the Forth Language: EFORTH for the MSP430G2552 from Texas Instruments
11 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth and Zen - 3rd Edition 2017: with 32-bit 86eForth v5.2 for Visual Studio 2015
12 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth Overview
13 Chen-Hanson Ting - FIG-Forth Manual Document /Test in 1802 IP
14 Chen-Hanson Ting - EP32 RISC Processor IP: Description and Implementation into FPGA – ASIC tested by NASA
15 Chen-Hanson Ting – Irriducible Complexity
16 Chen-Hanson Ting - Arduino controlled by eForth
17 Chen-Hanson Ting – eForth as Arduino Sketch – no Programmer needed

18 Burkhard Kainka - Learning Programming with MyCo: Learning Programming easily - independent of a PC (Forth code to follow soon)
19 Burkhard Kainka - BBC Micro:bit: Tests Tricks Secrets Code, Additional MicroBit information when running the Mecrisp Package
20 Burkhard Kainka – Thomas Baum – Web Programming ATYTINY13
21 Georg Heinrichs - The ATTINY Project – Why Forth?

Have a nice day.

And every time such bullshit is written here, you can see the impact in the Bestseller List
https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books/3970/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_b_1_5_last#5

[Jurgen Pitaske]

We have been through this copyright stuff here for many years.
Even attacking Stephen Pelc.
A bit funny, as nobody here is a lawyer - including me.

There are sufficient people that want everything free of charge.
And contribute nothing.

I did my work and generated my Forth Bookshelf.
It is a fun project and will continue until I run out of material.
The authors like to see their documents as a nice book.

You all here have probably seen the reaction of Chuck,
when he had 3 of these books in his hand in the video

Surely people will ask google first where to find what at which price..
And decide then.

Some people like PDFs, some people like to have a book in their hand.
It is actually the market that decides - and none of the people here.

13 of these books are in the top hundred here today - see link
https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books/3970/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_b_1_5_last#5

[Jurgen Pitaske]

On Tuesday, 20 October 2020 at 14:39:38 UTC+1, John Hardy wrote:

> None of these Pintaske books are worth anything. You can get these texts directly from their authors or free online.

It seems that your HR department at Cognizant does not know
about how some of their employees behave.
You should better be informed that your employer does have a policy how to behave:
Or it is just fake news and the employees do whatever they like??
Would be a nice article on LinkedIN or elswhere.

And YOU supply the basics here.
And a link to your HR department and your CEO.

https://www.cognizant.com/codeofethics.pdf

LETTER FROM THE CEO Brian Humphries Chief Executive Officer
Team, Every time we interact with clients, prospects, partners, and one another,
we are ambassadors for Cognizant’s culture and values.
Put another way, we have our company’s reputation for integrity, ethical behavior, and lawfulness in our individual and collective hands.
That’s a responsibility we must all take seriously.
We have a quarter-century tradition of hundreds of thousands of associates doing the right thing every day,
in every situation.
As ingrained and powerful as that tradition is,
we still need to stay attentive to maintaining our culture of ethics and compliance.
Years of trust can be lost with one small lapse,
so we must stay ever vigilant.
Our Code of Ethics is designed to help us do so.
Together with our core values, this Code serves as our guide to conducting business the right way.
We follow all applicable laws in the countries in which we do business.
We treat one another with respect.
We never cut corners.
We never bend the rules.
And, we always report suspected misconduct
with the knowledge that our company will protect us
from retaliation for doing so in good faith. I
n short, we fuse high performance with high integrity.
Please also keep in mind that high integrity is essential to earning
and sustaining the trust clients have in us,
which in turn contributes to our topline growth.
Let’s work together to ensure that acting with integrity remains
one of the core pillars of our culture. Best regards, Brian Humphries Chief Executive Officer

Have a nice day

[John Hardy]

Hey Pintaske,

You don't own the copyright on any of these works and you are passing yourself off as an author.

Please DO try to lowkey threaten me again, it's hilarious. I would strongly recommend that you contact Cognizant's HR department and raise a formal complaint about me for calling you out as a fraud. Please also add that I am calling you a non-expert in Forth who is trying to turn a profit on other people's work which they have allowed to be distributed for FREE. None of these authors receive a penny from you.

Worse that this, you have tried to threaten others who are onto your grift, written harassing letters to employers, screamed about copyright infringement on works you don't own, tried to get people banned from Facebook groups and threatened people with all sorts of bogus charges all for the "crime" of pointing out that this material is freely available on the internet.

What Chuck Moore has written is priceless
What Dr. Chen Hanson Ting has written is priceless
What Tom Hendtlass has written is priceless
What Leo Brodie has written is priceless
What Brad Rodriguez has written is priceless
What Leo Wong has written is priceless

Because unlike you, they are CREATORS and not parasites desperately trying to live on other people's hard work. Maybe you should actually try creating something yourself! It would do you some good! You should also immediately write some royalty cheques for the authors of these works that you pass yourself off as a co-author instead of pocketing it all.

You are a very sad excuse for a human being, Pintaske, a charlatan and a bully but fortunately the Forth community doesn't need you or your badly produced books.

Have a very nice day!

[hughag...@gmail.com]

Juergen Pintaske is charlatan and a bully, as John Hardy says.
This is obvious to anybody with a brain.

This was not obvious to Tom Hart, the President of Testra.
Juergen Pintaske tricked Tom Hart
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.lang.forth/wydQr643gX0%5B51-75%5D
by telling him that I was claiming to have:
--------------------------------------------------------
basically invented the MFX processor of Testra,
And the software that basically runs the company TESTRA."
--------------------------------------------------------
This lie was told to Tom Hart AFTER I said this on comp.lang.forth:

On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 1:20:19 PM UTC-7, hughag...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 7:31:06 AM UTC-7, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > Hugh Aguilar basically says for years here on clf.
> > that he has basically invented the MFX processor of Testra,
> > And the software that basically runs the company TESTRA.
> >
> > I do not mind if this were true, but I really doubt it,
>
> Jurgen Pintaske (or Pitaske, or whatever) has his facts wrong.
> MFX is not a processor. MFX is a cross-compiler that I wrote.
> MFX generates code for the MiniForth processor --- it doesn't
> "run the company" (whatever that might mean).

We can expect that Juergen Pintaske will contact the HR department
of John Hardy's employer (Cognizant) --- and Juergen Pintaske will
tell big lies about John Hardy, grossly distorting John Hardy's words.
Juergen Pintaske will tell the Cognizant management that John Hardy
is claiming to be the founder of Cognizant and to have basically written
the software that basically runs the company.
(BTW: overuse of the word "basically" indicates mental-retardation.)

Presumably, the Cognizant HR department will check these accusations
rather than just believe them without evidence, and they will find
that Juergen Pintaske is essentially a cointelpro agent.
Juergen Pintaske tells lies about people, striving to get them into trouble.

So, ultimately, the question is:
Does the Cognizant management have more brains that Tom Hart?
We will soon find out!

[John Hardy]

> So, ultimately, the question is:
> Does the Cognizant management have more brains that Tom Hart?
> We will soon find out!

I'm looking forward to it and actively encourage Pintaske in his quest to try to bully and harass me. As I said, I find it hilarious.

I have nothing to fear because I've only ever told the truth about him and he can't change the fact that he is a fraud who contributes nothing except bad feelings. He is very bad presence in the Forth community and he should be shunned by any decent person but honestly I don't care what happens to him, he's a nasty guy but also talentless and irrelevant.

[Rick C]

You sound like someone who should be bossing around 10 year olds. Why do you think anyone in the world other than maybe Hugh gives a crap what you think about Jurgen or anything else? Why are you stirring the pot here? Clearly you are just a troll looking for fun and don't care about Forth or this group at all. There are any number of people who won't come to this group because of people like you and Hugh. Hugh can't help himself, he is mentally ill (and my saying that will likely launch him into a tirade). What's your excuse?

[hughag...@gmail.com]

Please truncate your text at about 72 chars per line.

It does seem hilarious to imagine Juergen Pintaske showing up at the
HR department of Cognizant, blubbering with tears streaming down his face,
complaining that you said on an internet forum that he is talentless.
The girl behind the counter is going to ask: "Why am I supposed to care?"
She will give him a tissue to wipe his eyes with, and send him on his way.

Nobody cares if salesmen such as Juergen Pintaske get their feelings hurt.
As you said: "he's a nasty guy but also talentless and irrelevant."
It is foolish to let someone like that get your goat.

BTW: Do you know where the term "get your goat" came from?
That is a humorous story. :-)

Juergen Pintaske is a walking intelligence test.
If people take him seriously and believe his lies, they fail the test.
Tom Hart believed Juergen's lies about me, without checking the facts.
Then Tom Hart got mad at me and lied, saying that I didn't write MFX.
This is an example of failing an easy intelligence test --- publicly!

I think what happened is that Tom Hart got mad at me when I quit Testra
in the late 1990s, because he believed that I had a moral obligation
to continue working for Testra forever and never get a raise in pay.
He decided: "If you quit, I will say that you didn't write MFX. Kapow!"
This isn't the Middle Ages and nobody is a vassal nowadays, and even if
vassalage still existed, Tom Hart isn't important enough to have vassals.
Now 25 years later Tom Hart feels compelled to continue telling
the same lie (that I didn't write MFX) over and over again, because
he can't tell the truth now without admitting that he has been lying.
When he began lying about me back in the 1990s, he dug a hole for himself,
and he can't escape decades later but just keeps digging in deeper.
This is the problem with lying --- it is a trap --- the liar won't escape!
Eventually Tom Hart will be asked: "Is Hugh Aguilar a programmer?"
Like Bill Clinton he will answer with a question: "What does 'is' mean?"

Tom Hart, the president of Testra, descended to become an internet troll
flinging lies and insults --- he became like Rick Collins, striving to
invoke a tirade in response, which apparently is a big thrill for a troll.
Tom Hart seems to not realize that by saying that I'm incompetent
he is actually discrediting MFX --- I wrote MFX, so if I'm incompetent,
what does that say about Testra's MiniForth/RACE processor
that uses MFX as the development system? Many Verilog programmers
(Ilya Tarasov, for example), have said that developing the FPGA
is only half the battle, but the assembler/compiler is the other half.
Testra continues to use MFX today, 25 years after I wrote it,
so if I'm incompetent why didn't they rewrite it during those decades?
Tom Hart, who is not a programmer, will say that MFX is a trivial
assembler and cross-compiler, but if it is trivial to write then why
did they need to hire outside help rather than do it in-house?
MFX is an accomplishment that I'm still proud of 25 years later!
I have never heard of anybody who has a comparable accomplishment.

Of course, passing the test (by ignoring Juergen Pintaske)
doesn't mean that a person is an intelligent and talented programmer.
It just means that the person has a modicum of common-sense.
Common sense is common, but programming talent is rare.

Do you program in Forth at Cognizant?
I never heard of you before, but I'll give anybody the benefit of the doubt.
I never heard of Cognizant before, but I see that they have a fancy website.
Forth Inc. has a fancy website too, but Forth Inc. products are crap.
A fancy website indicates a marketing department with a budget,
which doesn't imply that they have an R&D department with a budget.
What does Cognizant do? What do you do?

[peter..@gmail.com]

Hugh,

John Hardy
is a very talented engineer and tech magazine editor.
In the 80s, very young, he designed the TEC80 a Z80 based computer
and edited his own TEC80 magazine in Australia , which educated a whole
generation into computer programming.

He is a full authority when talking about technical publications
and he can smell rotten business of the fake editor without anything
worth of mention inside the forth community, from long distance.

John Hardy has also developed some own forths, and his development of
webassembly continues.

I am really proud of John as many other real book authors of technical
documents inside our Forth2020 group. Is a real pleassure to have forth high level interchange, and of course you are invited to participate with us.

It is pointless to respond a troll without own programming skills or
own developments like Rick C. or Juergen Pintaske, they play in their own
leage of low level argumentation, bad fait, and tons of insults or agression.

Pintaske´s constant trolling and threats to forum participants, because
they don´t like "his" books (lol on "his" ) shows this guy has nothing interesting to offer of his own to the forth community and never will.
His lies about co-authoring Charles Moore or Doctor Ting
or Brad Rodriguez alone show his mental state, and the copyright scandal
he produced, his lack of moral.

The low quality prints, he calls books, make the forth
language appear silly : Outdated texts, marketing leaflet collection
of books who never existed as such, only essays, or marketing publications
with constant references to his ex-employeer or some bunch of friends is
the best he can offer.
This publications show a total beginner unable to set-up correctly
margins, or correct size of fonts. People who bought this
go back to the original PDFs to read without eye stress.

Book authors lough on him, and young forthers lough more reading
he presents himself as co-author of Charles Moore, and in the next
post he asks for help how to programm an arduino with forth !

What kind of clown OMG !

Cheers
Peter

[dxforth]

On 25/10/2020 18:50, Rick C wrote:
> ...

> There are any number of people who won't come to this group because of people like you and Hugh.

The reasons for that are probably as diverse as forth itself. A post
I saw elsewhere lamented the ANS-centricity of c.l.f. And this would
seem to be true. If there's little else that's being discussed or
fought over - and that's not your interest - where's the attraction?

[Azathoth Hastur]

MORE WEB APPS TALK

LESS BABBLE AND INFIGHTING

MORE FORTH SERVER FARMS AND FORTH DESKTP PC

WITH WORKING WEB BRWOSER

OK
?

[dxforth]

If Forth could turn gavinos into programmers, that'd be an attraction (of
the sideshow kind).

[John Hardy]

I've said all I have to say on that, apologies to the others. I should not have responded further to the copyright troll.
My interests are technical and in contributing to grow people's awareness of Forth and pointing them in the direction of free resources and help.

[Steve]

Rick C:
> DUDE! You are forth killer #3. ...maybe I am #4.

..

And are you a fan constantly trying to promote "C"?

[Rick C]

Tee hee hee...

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[hughag...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, October 25, 2020 at 4:27:40 PM UTC-7, peter..@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, October 25, 2020 at 2:29:23 PM UTC-3, hughag...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Do you program in Forth at Cognizant?
> > I never heard of you before, but I'll give anybody the benefit of the doubt.
> > I never heard of Cognizant before, but I see that they have a fancy website.
> > Forth Inc. has a fancy website too, but Forth Inc. products are crap.
> > A fancy website indicates a marketing department with a budget,
> > which doesn't imply that they have an R&D department with a budget.
> > What does Cognizant do? What do you do?

> Hugh,
>
> John Hardy
> is a very talented engineer and tech magazine editor.
> In the 80s, very young, he designed the TEC80 a Z80 based computer
> and edited his own TEC80 magazine in Australia , which educated a whole
> generation into computer programming.
>
> He is a full authority when talking about technical publications
> and he can smell rotten business of the fake editor without anything
> worth of mention inside the forth community, from long distance.
>
> John Hardy has also developed some own forths, and his development of
> webassembly continues.
>
> I am really proud of John as many other real book authors of technical
> documents inside our Forth2020 group. Is a real pleassure to have forth high level interchange, and of course you are invited to participate with us.

I have heard of webassembly (wasm) -- it seems like an interesting idea.
I will look into that further.

> It is pointless to respond a troll,,,

Then stop doing so!
I have encouraged you many times to stop rattling Juergen Pintaske's cage.
Just ignore him.
I ignore him --- I ignore Rick Collins etc. too.

I pretty much just stick to talking about my programming accomplishments.

[Rick C]

I'm happy that you ignore me. I'm happy that you ignore the many people you used to argue with. I wish you would do less complaining about the various members here, but you have been doing less of that recently. So good on you!

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[peter..@gmail.com]

> Hugh probably you can read my mind, because I wanted to express the
> same situation. There is a strong parallelism with the story of Frankenstein
> in the story of Pintaske and Pelc.
> I would say : Pelc created a JUERGENSTEIN (out of a socket-puppet)
>
> But I have nothing to do with the rave of Pintaske of the last days
> against the forum. It all started when this MPE customer complaining to
> Pelc.

> My only crime, (according Pintaskes perturbed mind) is to have
> a free PDF collection of books online. He calls me a criminal, and
> threats me to close my site with Amazon lawyers, and in the past he insulted
> me for having PDFs and videos of Forth online(all free and public stuff).
>
> 1) First of all I have any book on my site, I have only a list of links
> to that Forth documents, so newcomers to Forth can find it faster.
> It took me some months to collect all that information, I do this as hobby
> and to help people to learn forth programming.
>
> I adverted Mr. Pelc about the implicances of having a Marketing director
> that insults the Forth community in public forums, also customers of Pelc MPE
> which are of course also forthers.
>
> Now Pintaske thinks I am behind all attacks he receives from every one in this
> forum, but he can´t realize all the people he has upset with his rants and
> spam in all those years ! He has been working hard to earn the title of the
> most hated personality in the Forth community.
> So, please do not enter into this stupid game of accusing me without evidence.
>
> 2)
> Pintaske is posting all the time my Facebook account, and telling everybody
> that he can see my list of friends...And he forgot the most important part
> People have to know that Pintaske is not my friend , so actually he can
> not have access to that list, except if he is hacking my account !
>
> This is another warning for customers of MPE, that a former employee, a
> Marketing director can hack accounts inside the forth community.
> If this continues Pelc will end with any customers at all.
>
> All bombs and torpedoes Pintaske is throwing on blind fury and without direction, are falling onto Pelc´s head and into MPE company. The first
> customer recently showed up with a complaint, the rest will run away without saying nothing...
> Since Pintaske is a complete failure, a total disaster, and has anything
> to lose and no shame on his face (and no company to protect) for him is all
> well, he will continue destroying everything and insulting everybody he crosses
> in his way.
>
> 3) There is another possibility :
> If Pintaske is doing this with the purpose of sabotage to MPE, he is doing
> a great job, because in short time no one in their right mind,
> will want to buy or open any MPE software product at the risk to be hacked
> and all your FB account and privacy , email, etc will be exposed in public
> or accessed illegally.
> (As dumb as Pintaske is, I can not believe this capacity belongs to him)
>
> What can I say, I feel sorry for Mr. Pelc, but he is carrying the consequences
> of having a total ignorant of Forth inside his company using the image of MPE
> as a shield, (as he uses the 4th Gesellschaft logo FIG Germany) and Charles Moore and Dr. Ting´s book , to encover his insults, rants, spamming, and all
> atrocities he is undertaking in the name of "saving Forth" he is destroying
> the whole Forth village as the real JUERGENSTEIN monster. And his first victim
> is his creator. Probably Mr Pelc transplanted into Juergenstein a brain of
> a thief, this would explain his obsession to rob public domain Forth documents
> and transform them into Jeff Bezzos bitcoins.


I agree to this :

"neither Stephen Pelc nor Juergen Pintaske wrote any of these books that they sell.

They are making money by stealing other people's books and selling them. "

Pelc thinks that Forth belongs to him, this is a crazy attitude, since Charles Moore put Forth on PD
in the 70s !

And thanks to that act, Pelc made his living out of this.

He keeps spitting in the plate he eats. But everybody in the forth community should see
the kind of ill persons who are behind the destruction of Forth as a free language !

They do not allow us to share the Free documents of SVFIG site ( I was expelled from a forth
group not long ago, because I put a link to SVFIG page),
they insult us day and night.

Pelc and Pintaske make life impossible to free forthers.