Forth books archive
AceUser
Over the years many old 1980's FORTH books have gone out of print or
forgotten about.
Over at the Jupiter Ace archive site we are thinking of creating an
archive for such books, At this stage it just an idea
Books to be scanned and archived as searchable PDF's.
I know that authors and copy write issues might come up, but if the
books are sitting in someone’s book case and another person wants to
read it then why not make it available?
Another project for the home computer ZX Spectrum is doing just this ,
Scanning ,OCRing and making the for users to read.
What do you think should old FORTH books be archive?
BTY Has any one got a copy of Forth Fundamentals Volume 2 they would
be willing to sell me?
Steve,
www.jupiter-ace.co.uk
Brad Cantrell
programming languages like Forth and Smalltalk that have been
overlooked due to popularization of other languages and yet are still
relevant for use today. A good example is this site which provides
most all of the best out of print Smalltalk books for free download:
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/FreeBooks.html
Id like to see the same happen for Forth. For example I have the book
"Forth on the Atari: Learning by Using" and I consider it to be on par
with any current book on Forth. I imagine it would be possible to run
all the code on an Atari emulator. Here also is a site which makes
available old Atari books:
http://www.atariarchives.org/
If you check Amazon, they have a lot of out of print Forth books
available for sale by third party book dealers.
Standish P
Even more important than books on Forth, I dont know if there are any
good ones that exist, is to scan that UNITED STATES based (???)
Journal of Forth Application and Research
If they dont allow scanning and return to the public domain, then
BOYCOTT any and all such corporate parasits.
In this age of the internet with electronic typesetting, there is no
excuse left for the copyright ON JOURNALS to be owned by anyone but
the public. The reviewers get the privilege of reviewing, professors
are supported by public money, and get free complimentary books from
publishers.
The monopoly to knowledge is now BASED on journal access. Elizabeth
knows it. They must have gotten all papers free as reviewers and as
complimentaries. In addition, she would not point to the important
paper ... why make the life of others pursuing the same knowledge that
they consider their personal fiefdom, easy ?
Paul E. Bennett
> On Aug 14, 3:07 pm, Brad Cantrell <cantre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Saving out of print books is a very worthy thing to do, especially for
>> programming languages like Forth and Smalltalk that have been
>> overlooked due to popularization of other languages and yet are still
>> relevant for use today. A good example is this site which provides
>> most all of the best out of print Smalltalk books for free
>> download:http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/FreeBooks.html Id like to see
>> the same happen for Forth. For example I have the book "Forth on the
>> Atari: Learning by Using" and I consider it to be on par with any current
>> book on Forth. I imagine it would be possible to run all the code on an
>> Atari emulator. Here also is a site which makes available old Atari
>> books:http://www.atariarchives.org/ If you check Amazon, they have a lot
>> of out of print Forth books available for sale by third party book
>> dealers.
>
> Even more important than books on Forth, I dont know if there are any
> good ones that exist, is to scan that UNITED STATES based (???)
>
> Journal of Forth Application and Research
>
> If they dont allow scanning and return to the public domain, then
> BOYCOTT any and all such corporate parasits.
>
There is already effort going into this. I have scanned the two volumes I
had and forwarded them onto Peter Knaggs at Bournemouth (..no, he moved
recently to another University).
The website at <http://www.rigwit.co.uk/> might help point you in the right
direction.
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Alex McDonald
Unfortunately, you appear to have no ideas worth stealing. Good luck
in getting anyone to send you anything of value if that's your
attitude.
Brad
I understand, you hate having a closed door between you and the
knowledge you want. But as a general rule, people don't appreciate
something if you give it to them for free. I've tried it. But I think
the situation is improving. People no longer equate free with junk. As
you will discover with a little digging, there is more free Forth
information available on line (start with MPE and FORTH Inc) than you
can digest in a year.
If somebody has data you want and it's out of your budget, you find
out what else they need and try to work out a deal.
Elizabeth D Rather
> On Aug 20, 11:30 pm, Standish P<stnd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 14, 3:07 pm, Brad Cantrell<cantre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The monopoly to knowledge is now BASED on journal access. Elizabeth
>> knows it. They must have gotten all papers free as reviewers and as
>> complimentaries. In addition, she would not point to the important
>> paper ... why make the life of others pursuing the same knowledge that
>> they consider their personal fiefdom, easy ?
>
> I understand, you hate having a closed door between you and the
> knowledge you want. But as a general rule, people don't appreciate
> something if you give it to them for free. I've tried it. But I think
> the situation is improving. People no longer equate free with junk. As
> you will discover with a little digging, there is more free Forth
> information available on line (start with MPE and FORTH Inc) than you
> can digest in a year.
Yes, both MPE and FORTH, Inc. provide free evaluation software with
extensive documentation online for the taking.
Regarding papers, btw, I have to disagree with the notion that "the
monopoly to knowledge is now BASED on journal access." My experience
with journal articles is that the better ones report on work that has
*been done*. We are doing it, not reading about it. I am not on any
reviewer's list. We do work. We don't write about our work nearly as
much as we should, mainly because we are too busy doing. But most
people using satellite TV in the US, or enjoying electric power in the
US and Canada, to give 2 examples, are benefiting from that work.
Cheers,
Elizabeth
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Albert van der Horst
Paul E. Bennett <Paul_E....@topmail.co.uk> wrote:
>rStandish P wrote:
>
>> On Aug 14, 3:07 pm, Brad Cantrell <cantre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Saving out of print books is a very worthy thing to do, especially for
>>> programming languages like Forth and Smalltalk that have been
>>> overlooked due to popularization of other languages and yet are still
>>> relevant for use today. A good example is this site which provides
>>> most all of the best out of print Smalltalk books for free
>>> download:http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/FreeBooks.html Id like to see
>>> the same happen for Forth. For example I have the book "Forth on the
>>> Atari: Learning by Using" and I consider it to be on par with any current
>>> book on Forth. I imagine it would be possible to run all the code on an
>>> Atari emulator. Here also is a site which makes available old Atari
>>> books:http://www.atariarchives.org/ If you check Amazon, they have a lot
>>> of out of print Forth books available for sale by third party book
>>> dealers.
>>
>> Even more important than books on Forth, I dont know if there are any
>> good ones that exist, is to scan that UNITED STATES based (???)
>>
>> Journal of Forth Application and Research
>>
>> If they dont allow scanning and return to the public domain, then
>> BOYCOTT any and all such corporate parasits.
>>
>
>There is already effort going into this. I have scanned the two volumes I
>had and forwarded them onto Peter Knaggs at Bournemouth (..no, he moved
>recently to another University).
Within the Dutch chapter we hold onto some precious copies.
If the copyright holders allow so, I could try to trump up some
volunteers to start scanning.
>
>The website at <http://www.rigwit.co.uk/> might help point you in the right
>direction.
I'll have a look.
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>Paul E. Bennett...............<email://Paul_E....@topmail.co.uk>
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AceUser
I have decided to go ahead with the Forth book scanning project.
They will be hosted on the Jupiter Ace archive site. Starting in end
of October 2010.
OCR software being used is Omnipage Pro 17.
Books is be in PDF format OCRed, If anyone has any scanned books as
tiffs, Jpegs please send me a link so they can be OCRed and compiled
into a PDF.
Pefered scanns would be jpeg's or tiffs at 200 dpt. B/W with colour
(color) scans of book covers.
Books will be removed if the Author(s) / Publisher(s) requests it. We
will ask / contact authors publisher for help / permisions as we go
along.
All PDF's we be FREE to use / downloaad. Please remember this is to
save books that are out of print and the aim is to make them available
to anyone whos intrested in Forth
and cannot find the books in paper format.
If you have any books for the 1980's you wish to offer to the project
Please contact me at the Jupiter Ace Archive site.
A few people have contacted me at the Jupiter Ace site with offers of
scanned material, Please resend your details, as I have been away for
afew days and might of
overooked your email in the large number of emails I got while away.
( I deleted some by mastake !!! )
Translations to English from German, French, Spanish and Dutch Forth
books can be done by Jupiter Ace Archive Team.
many thanks for your help,
Peter Knaggs
> had and forwarded them onto Peter Knaggs at Bournemouth (..no, he moved
> recently to another University).
If that is the case, then I centennially have not received them yet.
> The website at <http://www.rigwit.co.uk/> might help point you in the
> right direction.
I am now at the University of Exeter, but the scanned JFARs are still
available on the Bournemouth site:
http://dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/forth/jfar.new/index.html
Until I can find the time to move it all over to the FLAG site.
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Peter Knaggs
bsquareng
by R.G.Loeliger which isn't exactly a FORTH book, but it does a great
job of explaining what and how Forth is trying to do what it does --
or at least was trying to do in 1981. I'd be happy to try to do a PDF
scan and put it into an archive for access to such an archiv e of
other Forth related books.
Bruce Ball
AceUser
> I have a copy of an out of print book, Threaded Interpretive Languages
> by R.G.Loeliger which isn't exactly a FORTH book, but it does a great
> Bruce Ball
This is going to be the book I start with!
Standish P
> Thankyou to all who posted on this subject.
>
> I have decided to go ahead with the Forth book scanning project.
>
> They will be hosted on the Jupiter Ace archive site. Starting in end
> of October 2010.
>
> OCR software being used is Omnipage Pro 17.
>
> Books is be in PDF format OCRed, If anyone has any scanned books as
> tiffs, Jpegs please send me a link so they can be OCRed and compiled
> into a PDF.
>
> Pefered scanns would be jpeg's or tiffs at 200 dpt. B/W with colour
> (color) scans of book covers.
For the effort of turning etc or the labor involved, which I imagine
must be humungous, preferably 300 or 400dpi black is better than color
of 200 since your text is most likely black and not purple or syntax
highlighted.
Paul E. Bennett
"Lost in the Ether" rectified.
AceUser
I've had a few private emails via the Jupiter Ace Archive site about
this project that I feel an update is worth posting.
Some folks just want the PDF's - well thay have yet to be created! ETA
soon!
Some people wnat to see the standard of work/PDF's as a smaple here is
a link to the first 35 page of
Thresded Interpretive Languages http://www.jupiter-ace.co.uk/temp/Threaded-Interpretive-Languages-[WIP].pdf
This is a work in progress, its just to prove that I intend to do the
project and its not just talk/posts.
regards,
Steve
Peter Knaggs
http://dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/forth/jfar
Thanks to Paul Bennett providing the scans of:
Volume 4, Number 2 (1986 Rochester Forth Conference Proceedings) and
Volume 5, Number 1 (1987 Rochester Forth Conference Proceedings).
The site now contains the complete scans of:
Volume 1, Number 1.
Volume 1, Number 2. (Data Structures)
Volume 2, Number 1. (Forth Engine)
Volume 2, Number 2.`(Real Time Systems)
Volume 4, Number 2. (RFC 1986: Real-Time Artificial Intelligence)
Volume 5, Number 1. (RFC 1987: Comparative Computer Architectures)
Volume 7.
If anyone is willing to provide scans of other issues, I would be
happy to process them. I am still looking for:
Volume 2: Number 3 and 4.
Volume 3: Numbers 1, 2, 3 and 4.
Volume 4: Numbers 1, 3 and 4.
Volume 5: Numbers 2, 3 and 4.
Volume 6: Numbers 1, 2, 3 and 4.
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Peter Knaggs
Standish P
I find it an interesting observation (no hidden implication) that some
of the best articles of lasting educational value are in vol 3 (all
unscanned)
vol 2 (unscanned portion)
vol 6 (unscanned portion)
Please help expedite the scanning effort in the interest of forth
education