fig forth listing for 6502
Ruediger Klenner
Hello,
some years ago I've made fig forth 79 (?) running on my aim65, typing in
the 6502 code from a list I've ordered from the FIG. Later I made it
running on CBM (600) machines.
Now I want fig forth (no other Forth) for a microcontroller project running
on an controller with similar CPU programming model like the
Rockwell 6502. But I can't find this (fifteen year) old listing! I've
looked at http://www.forth.org ,especially in the archives, but can't
find what I'm looking for.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance:
--
Ruediger...@ruhr-uni-bochum.de
Paul E. Bennett
In article <01bcbfe8$e5dcc520$22019386@Yep!.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
Ruediger...@ruhr-uni-bochum.de "Ruediger Klenner" writes:
If there are no other offers of help forthcoming I have the 6502 listing and
other fig documents in my personal library. I could probably help out with
a copy if you send a surface mail address.
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Transport Control Technology Ltd. <http://www.tcontec.demon.co.uk/>
+44 (0)117-9499861 <enq...@transcontech.co.uk>
Going Forth Safely
Paul Frenger
p...@transcontech.co.uk ("Paul E. Bennett") writes: > In article <01bcbfe8$e5dcc520$22019386@Yep!.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
> Ruediger...@ruhr-uni-bochum.de "Ruediger Klenner" writes:
>
> > Hello,
> > some years ago I've made fig forth 79 (?) running on my aim65, typing in
> > the 6502 code from a list I've ordered from the FIG. Later I made it
> > running on CBM (600) machines.
> > Now I want fig forth (no other Forth) for a microcontroller project running
> > on an controller with similar CPU programming model like the
> > Rockwell 6502. But I can't find this (fifteen year) old listing! I've
> > looked at http://www.forth.org ,especially in the archives, but can't
> > find what I'm looking for.
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance:
Hi!
Dr. Glen Haydon (Mountain View Press) still sells copies
of all fig-Forth listings, including the 6502. Contact:
or 1-415-747-0760.
Paul Frenger MD
Associate Editor for Forth
ACM Sigplan Notices
dall...@kincyb.com
>
> In article <01bcbfe8$e5dcc520$22019386@Yep!.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
> Ruediger...@ruhr-uni-bochum.de "Ruediger Klenner" writes:
>
> > Hello,
.....................................
> > Now I want fig forth (no other Forth) for a microcontroller project runni
ng
> > on an controller with similar CPU programming model like the
> > Rockwell 6502. But I can't find this (fifteen year) old listing! I've
..................................................
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance:
>
> If there are no other offers of help forthcoming I have the 6502 listing an
d
> other fig documents in my personal library. I could probably help out with
> a copy if you send a surface mail address.
>
> --
> Paul E. Bennett ................... <p...@transcontech.co.uk>
> Transport Control Technology Ltd. <http://www.tcontec.demon.co.uk/>
> +44 (0)117-9499861 <enq...@transcontech.co.uk>
> Going Forth Safely
>
>
I could help out also if necessary.
Regards,
Dallas E. Legan II
(562) 862 - 4854 ext. '*'
le...@acm.org
aw...@lafn.org
dall...@kincyb.com
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Joel Rubin
On 13 Sep 1997 02:01:05 GMT, "Ruediger Klenner"
<Ruediger...@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:
>Hello,
>some years ago I've made fig forth 79 (?) running on my aim65, typing in
>the 6502 code from a list I've ordered from the FIG. Later I made it
>running on CBM (600) machines.
>Now I want fig forth (no other Forth) for a microcontroller project running
>on an controller with similar CPU programming model like the
>Rockwell 6502. But I can't find this (fifteen year) old listing! I've
>looked at http://www.forth.org ,especially in the archives, but can't
>find what I'm looking for.
>
>Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance:
I think there's something called GeoForth which is available in source
form for the Commodore '64 running its version of what is now
GeoWorks. (A GUI O/S)
One disadvantage of the name "Forth" is that it is hard to look up in
a search engine--too many irrelevant hits. So, looking up "GeoForth"
might help you find other stuff.
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Julian R. Parramore
>Hello,
>some years ago I've made fig forth 79 (?) running on my aim65, typing in
>the 6502 code from a list I've ordered from the FIG. Later I made it
>running on CBM (600) machines.
>Now I want fig forth (no other Forth) for a microcontroller project running
>on an controller with similar CPU programming model like the
>Rockwell 6502. But I can't find this (fifteen year) old listing! I've
>looked at http://www.forth.org ,especially in the archives, but can't
>find what I'm looking for.
>
>Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance:
Send us your ftp address ( you really would want me to email you the
listing would you)
I have FIG 6502 versions for the EMMA, VISA, BBC and others that are
even more obscure.
65SC16 for a BBC with co pro
I wrote a FIG NS32000 for a BBC Scientific
And I've still got an MPE WorkForth for 6502 ... go on Steve
All thoughts, comments, miscellaneous personal abuse:
Julian R. Parramore, http://www.threaded.com
[All flames entertained][Good,Quick,Cheap:Choose two]
Ulrich Hoffmann
> Send us your ftp address ( you really would want me to email you the
> listing would you)
Why not put them in the web?
> I have FIG 6502 versions for the EMMA, VISA, BBC and others that are
> even more obscure.
> 65SC16 for a BBC with co pro
> I wrote a FIG NS32000 for a BBC Scientific
Regards,
Ulrich
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Stephen Pelc
Julian R. Parramore <julian.r....@threaded.com> wrote in article
<34220340...@news.demon.co.uk>...
> On 16 Sep 1997 13:46:50 GMT, u...@informatik.uni-kiel.de (Ulrich
> Hoffmann) wrote:
>
> >Why not put them in the web?
>
> also has Stephen Pelc mentioned so I don't think I can for that unless
> they give their permission.
That code comes from our commercial cross compiler and target code. Since
we still sell targets for 6502 and derivatives such as the M740, M7700
and so on, we're hardly likely to give our work away, however old it
is. Sorry, MPE does not give the necessary permission.
However, if you want to save yourself a lot of time, we'll be more than
happy to quote you a nice price for our Forth cross compiler with 65xx
and M740 series targets.
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MicroProcessor Engineering - More Real, Less Time
133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England
tel: +44 1703 631441, fax: +44 1703 339691
web: http://www.mpeltd.demon.co.uk
Paul Frenger
I noticed recently someone asking for the 6502
fig-Forth listings. My favorite source for the
old fig code is Dr Glen Haydon, Mountain View Press,
Stephen Pelc's comment about not "accidentally"
publishing MPE proprietary information (for 6502 &
derivatives), especially on the Net, is timely and
well taken: we MUST NOT compromise commercial
product integrity. There is plenty of shareware
and public domain Forth code available, and large
libraries of code you can buy cheaply (ie: FIG and
MVP). Enjoy that with blessings! But commercial Forth
vendors (ie: Forth, Inc., MPE and others) have a hard
enough time staying afloat without us giving away
their intellectual property gratis. Such careless
behavior might result in legal consequences, and
probably should.
Moral: keep it straight ... what's free, what's
cheap, and what's a trade secret. Support your
local Forth establishment.
Ulrich Hoffmann
> My favorite source for the
> old fig code is Dr Glen Haydon, Mountain View Press,
> Stephen Pelc's comment about not "accidentally"
> publishing MPE proprietary information (for 6502 &
> derivatives), especially on the Net, is timely and
> well taken: we MUST NOT compromise commercial
> product integrity.
Sure I didn't mean to put copyrighted material on
the web. My impression was, we were talking about
FIG-Forth, which I always thought, is in public domain.
^^^^^^^^^
Here is an excerpt of the header in 8086 FIG-Forth:
; Forth Interest Group 8086 FORTH
;
; Adapted to run under Microsoft's MS-DOS 8086 operating
; system by:
;
; J. E. Smith
; Univ. of Pennsylvania, Dept. of Chemistry
; 250 S. 33rd St.
; Philadelphia, PA 19104 .
;
; Additional modifications and enhancements
; as described below were also implemented by Mr. Smith.
; These changes are more fully described in a text file
; FORTH.DOC which should accompany this source code.
;
; This listing is placed in the public domain, and may
; be freely distributed.
;
So at least for this version, I can see no copyright problems.
[The PDP11 version by John James has a similar note.]
Maybe the versions for other processors (6502?) have other
restrictions?
What is the legal status of the other FIG-Forth listings?
I would appreciate to see the FIG-Forth-listings on the web.
This doesn't mean bound copies can't be sold as well....
Andreas Jung
Ruediger Klenner wrote:
> Now I want fig forth (no other Forth) for a microcontroller project running
> on an controller with similar CPU programming model like the
> Rockwell 6502. But I can't find this (fifteen year) old listing! I've
Look at http://www.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~ajung/Forth/index.html
from where you can download the archive file forth.zip.
This archive contains - among other stuff - the more or less original
public domain fig forth listing for the 6502 in the text file
figorig.asm.
> looked at http://www.forth.org ,especially in the archives, but can't
> find what I'm looking for.
Quite exactly three years ago I was looking for the above listing,
and so I sent a mail to Mr. Hall of the Forth Interest Group.
He mailed back that the old fig-forth system was "so far out of date
that the publication committee felt we were doing a dis-service to
our members keeping it available". (!)
However, after a question in several forth-related newsgroups,
Mr. McFarling was so kind to mail me the above listing.
Regards,
Andreas Jung.
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john wavrik
Ulrich Hoffman writes:
>> Stephen Pelc's comment about not "accidentally"
>> publishing MPE proprietary information (for 6502 &
>> derivatives), especially on the Net, is timely and
>> well taken: we MUST NOT compromise commercial
>> product integrity.
>
>Sure I didn't mean to put copyrighted material on
>the web. My impression was, we were talking about
>FIG-Forth, which I always thought, is in public domain.
>^^^^^^^^^
>
>What is the legal status of the other FIG-Forth listings?
From what I read about FIG-Forth at the time, the purpose was to
popularize Forth by producing a model for a core Forth that others
could use to produce implementations of the language. The code was
supplied in the form of printed assembly language listings -- and these
were in the public domain. There was no restriction on how these could
be used -- and FIG-Forth became the basis of many full implement-
ations, both commercial and non-commercial.
The use of assembly language was for convenience (at the time). It
might mislead people into thinking that the versions of Forth were very
machine specific. In fact, most of the assembly language was actually
code which placed high level Forth definitions in the dictionary. A very
high percentage of FIG-Forth is written in Forth. The effect, therefore,
is that a collection of basic Forth of words that not only agreed in
certain behavioral features, but were actually defined the same. These
formed the core of a variety of Forth systems available for most of the
major processors at the time -- and led to a high degree of portability
(and power -- since one could exploit implications of how words were
defined).
The original FIG-Forth assembly language listings produced by the
Forth Interest Group are in the public domain. It was the intent that
they be freely used. However Forth systems based on FIG-Forth may
or may not be in the public domain.
John J Wavrik
jjwa...@ucsd.edu Dept of Math 0112
Univ of Calif - San Diego
La Jolla, CA 92093
Thomas Prinz
>
> .............. The code was
> supplied in the form of printed assembly language listings -- and
> these were in the public domain. There was no restriction on how
> these could be used -- and FIG-Forth became the basis of many full
> implement- ations, both commercial and non-commercial.
> The original FIG-Forth assembly language listings produced by
> the Forth Interest Group are in the public domain. It was the intent
> that they be freely used. However Forth systems based on FIG-Forth
> may or may not be in the public domain.
>
> John J Wavrik
> jjwa...@ucsd.edu Dept of Math 0112
> Univ of Calif -
> San Diego La
> Jolla, CA 92093
O.K. Very Nice !
When the Source Code is Public Domain then it's time to put them to
the WWW (Taygeta for example).
I Remember when I started with FIG-FORTH i Buy some copy of 6502
FIG-FORTH and FORTH-83 for 30-40 DM (20-25$ today).
I think it's better to become this Manual and Source-Code Listings for
free.
Bye Thomas
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