CA Realia Workbench Debug Setup - Data Inspector Issue

[K B SHIREESH KUMAR]

Hi All,

I need a help on CA Realia Workbench tool. I am debugging the Cobol Program (.cvx) and during the Debug process I want to know the value of particular variable I am using the Data Inspector in tool. But Value for that variable is not readable format. Do I need to setup any setting in the tool. Please help me if you have any inputs on this.

[docd...@panix.com]

[posted and emailed]

In article <a8315111-8189-4bf4...@googlegroups.com>,

K B SHIREESH KUMAR <kandur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>I need a help on CA Realia Workbench tool.

Please do your own job.

DD

[Vincent Coen]

Hello K!

Have you read the manual ?


Vincent

[Gilberto Junior]

Hi docd...@panix.com,


Why say that "Please do your own job."?
What do you do in this group anyway?

If you don't want to help people, be silent.
Close your mouth and don't talk nonsense.
What do you do in this world of good?
I don't think it does anything.
What a little person you are.

Have a nice day.

Gilberto Junior.

[docd...@panix.com]

[posted and emailed]

In article <3fb01ecf-40b1-45f3...@googlegroups.com>,
Gilberto Junior <gilbertoj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Em sexta-feira, 23 de julho de 2021 ??s 00:21:39 UTC-3,

>docd...@panix.com escreveu:
>> [posted and emailed]
>>
>> In article <a8315111-8189-4bf4...@googlegroups.com>,
>> K B SHIREESH KUMAR <kandur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Hi All,
>> >
>> >I need a help on CA Realia Workbench tool.
>> Please do your own job.
>

>Hi docd...@panix.com,
>
>
>Why say that "Please do your own job."?

I say that because I am trying to be polite.

>What do you do in this group anyway?

Research in the archive might answer that question. Please do your own
homework.

>If you don't want to help people, be silent.

Doing someone else's job or homework is not always helpful.

>Close your mouth and don't talk nonsense.

There is a difference bettween saying 'I do not see the sense' and 'this
is nonsense' that a good mind can learn.

>What do you do in this world of good?

There are people who gleefully assassinate those who ask them to justify
their existences.

>I don't think it does anything.

If you live long enough and are sufficiently open the way you think can
change.

>What a little person you are.

This might be a reason to stand on the shoulders of giants. Do you know
the source of that quotation?

>Have a nice day.

The same to you, your progenitrix and seven generations back; may you
always be satisfied with the surface and never terrified by the depths.

DD

[Rich Alderson]

Gilberto Junior <gilbertoj...@gmail.com> writes:

> If you don't want to help people, be silent.
> Close your mouth and don't talk nonsense.
> What do you do in this world of good?
> I don't think it does anything.
> What a little person you are.

STFU&GTFO.

--
Rich Alderson ne...@alderson.users.panix.com
Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
--Galen

[Gilberto Junior]

Hi Rich,

STFU&GTFO. Think that no.

Sorry to say: you have no culture or soul.
It is a poor creature.

[docd...@panix.com]

In article <d4fe7c9a-adab-4849...@googlegroups.com>,
Gilberto Junior <gilbertoj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Em segunda-feira, 26 de julho de 2021 ??s 19:47:29 UTC-3, Rich Alderson

>escreveu:
>> Gilberto Junior <gilbertoj...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > If you don't want to help people, be silent.
>> > Close your mouth and don't talk nonsense.
>> > What do you do in this world of good?
>> > I don't think it does anything.
>> > What a little person you are.
>> STFU&GTFO.
>>
>> --
>> Rich Alderson ne...@alderson.users.panix.com
>> Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
>> omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
>> --Galen
>
>
>Hi Rich,
>
>STFU&GTFO. Think that no.
>
>Sorry to say: you have no culture or soul.

As my Sainted Paternal Grandmother - may she sleep with the angels! - used
to say, 'From your sort that's a compliment.'

An expectorated 'nyekulturny' is expected more from insecure,
self-righteous nationalists and less from a better-travelled,
broader-minded 'citizen of the world'.

I am insufficiently deserving of your parochialism and will express the
appropriate gratitude... and I'm the King of England, too

DD

[K B SHIREESH KUMAR]

Hi Vincent, I read the Manual and tried all possible ways from my side. Thanks for your response.

[Vincent Coen]

<16270...@f1.n250.z2.fidonet.ftn>
<cf947974-2759-4d81...@googlegroups.com>
Hello K!

Consider changing the var to a readable format such as display i.e., PIC
9(6) etc for the purposes of testing and/or do a display (or print a
line showing the values having to move it to a display field if needed as
some/many compilers do not convert for a display.


Vincent

[pete dashwood]

On 23/07/2021 09:43, K B SHIREESH KUMAR wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I need a help on CA Realia Workbench tool. I am debugging the Cobol Program (.cvx) and during the Debug process I want to know the value of particular variable I am using the Data Inspector in tool. But Value for that variable is not readable format. Do I need to setup any setting in the tool. Please help me if you have any inputs on this.
>

Please ignore the unhelpful posts here.

At the risk of adding another one, here are some observations:

1. CA Realia COBOL may not be a good choice for modern program
development. I have not used it for over 25 years but it had problems
then and there is nothing to suggest it has improved.

Have you considered using GNU COBOL which is a very good product and
free...? (You can also get support for it freely and openly on the Web.)

Never mind, I am assuming you are not able to change the choice of
Language, or COBOL.

(Having tried most versions of PC and Mainframe COBOL, I would recommend
either Micro Focus or Fujitsu for workstation use, with Fujitsu having a
slight edge if you need to use the MS Component Object Model (COM). GNU
COBOL would be a very good choice but it doesn't support OO COBOL or COM.)

2. The documentation for your current Workbench is not freely available
on the Internet and that does not speak well of the product. If a
Company charge to have their documents available, it does not show an
open or encouraging disposition. People who buy the product will get the
documents anyway and people who are looking to possibly buy the product
won't, if they are charged for information about it...

However, I did find some discussion here in CLC from a very long time
ago, which MIGHT give you some insights and certainly may tell you "who
to call". Try this link:

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.cobol/c/QR3Ho2rl0Bs/m/Mlwqo1qAfEIJ

It would appear that there have been problems debugging source code used
with this compiler, ever since it was released.

BOTTOM LINE:

1. If You have any documentation, you should read it carefully. Follow
any examples and take it one step at a time. If you need clarification
of the English, (not your first language?) post here and I'll try to help.

2. If you have no documentation and are doing paid work in CA Realia
COBOL, then talk to the vendor who sold you the compiler, or get the
client to do so. There is nothing wrong in asking for help; I've been a
programmer for over 50 years and had help on many occasions. It hasn't
made me any less capable. Just make sure you have done everything you
can, so you do not waste people's time and do not expect people to do
your homework for you if it is a homework assignment.

Good Luck!

Pete.
--
I used to write *COBOL*; now I can do *anything*...

[pete dashwood]

Has it really come to this, old friend?

Somebody needs help.

Have you never been that person?

I respect, of course, your right to your own attitudes and posts but it
saddens me to see it.

You are more than this.

Cheers,

[pete dashwood]

Gilberto,

You do not know Doc Dwarf.

He is a kind, intelligent (and highly capable) man who has been a pillar
of support to this forum for decades.

Sadly, the decades of having people come here EXPECTING free help (and
in most cases never even saying "Thank you" when they get it...), and
the cheaters who think they can get their homework done for no effort on
their part, all tends to have a negative effect, and the resulting
cynicism can sometimes be ascerbic.

Doc works in the real world at the cutting edge, and has to deal with
bad code produced by enthusiastic amateurs as well as professionals,
compounded by managers who use airline magazines as their source of
understanding and actually despise people who really know what they're
talking about. In this environment, NOTHING is FREE. The Doc quite
rightly charges for his expertise and does not expect it to be given for
nothing.

He can be forgiven for carrying some of his work ethic into a less
appropriate place.

Don't judge him.

Pete.

Don't judge the Doc.

[pete dashwood]

It is a valid suggestion, Vince.

But is it likely that he hasn't?

Let me ask you one question:

Had you been an expert on CA Realia COBOL and had instantly known the
solution to his problem, would you have posted the same response?

I reckon (based on past experience here and in personal contact) that
you would have been happy to take a few minutes and help him.

Think about it...

Pete.

[Gilberto Junior]

Hi Pete,


Congratulations!

Perfect explanation with wise words.

You are a gentleman who seeks to help.

Have a nice day.

Thank you.


Gilberto Junior

[Gilberto Junior]

Hi Pete, Thanks for being a good person.
Thanks for your explanation.



docd...@panix.com, I'm sorry.
I replied to your email with those words because I felt a lot of resentment in them.
Forgive me. I hope that one day we can be friends.


Gilberto Junior

[Vincent Coen]

Hello pete!

Wednesday August 11 2021 07:34, pete dashwood wrote to All:

> On 24/07/2021 03:41, Vincent Coen wrote:
>> Hello K!
>>
>> Thursday July 22 2021 22:43, K B SHIREESH KUMAR wrote to All:
>>
>> > Hi All,
>>
>> > I need a help on CA Realia Workbench tool. I am debugging the
>> Cobol
>> > Program (.cvx) and during the Debug process I want to know the
>> value
>> > of particular variable I am using the Data Inspector in tool.
>> But
>> > Value for that variable is not readable format. Do I need to
>> setup any
>> > setting in the tool. Please help me if you have any inputs on
>> this.
>>
>>
>> Have you read the manual ?
>>
>>
>> Vincent
>>
>>
> It is a valid suggestion, Vince.

> But is it likely that he hasn't?

> Let me ask you one question:

> Had you been an expert on CA Realia COBOL and had instantly known the
> solution to his problem, would you have posted the same response?

I would have given the answer but as I have not used it for over 30 years
at a guess (tried and dropped it as not fit for purpose - Any).

> I reckon (based on past experience here and in personal contact) that
> you would have been happy to take a few minutes and help him.

Yes I would have but hopefully as he has the compiler he also has the
manuals.

> Think about it...

No need :)

> Pete.




Vincent

[pete dashwood]

Hi Gilberto,
Thank you for your kind words.

After being here for over 30 years now, I have had the sharper edges
rubbed off me and I see a bigger picture than I once did.

This forum was once a lively place with some very sharp minds debating
all kinds of stuff. The OT posts were at least as interesting as the
COBOL ones and friendships were formed between people who had never met
each other, but shared an interest in COBOL.

There were tantrums and sulks and there was laughter and good humor.

But people did get helped and most of us learned SOMETHING along the way.

Sadly, with the decline of COBOL, the traffic here also declined and it
is mainly the real old time COBOLlers that still visit regularly.

I come here because I value the forum as one of the last remaining
places on Earth where posts are not moderated and people can say what
they think. It is a tribute to the regulars that, even without
moderation, there is very little flaming or trolling and most posters
behave like grown-ups.

When I look around a world in disarray with ever increasing encroachment
on Democracy and Free Speech, I see CLC as a little reminder of the time
when we didn't need a Nanny State to pass laws telling us what was "hate
speech" and it was possible to defend the right of people to have and
express an opinion whether you agreed with it or not.

I'm fairly sure that I will fold before the forum does, but, if I'm
wrong and it goes, I will be glad to have been part of it.

[docd...@panix.com]

In article <inh939...@mid.individual.net>,
pete dashwood <dash...@enternet.co.nz> wrote:

[snip]

>You do not know Doc Dwarf.

[snip]

>He can be forgiven for carrying some of his work ethic into a less
>appropriate place.

I've been told 'where to carry it' by some of the best folks in town...

... present company included. Greatly appreciated, Mr Dashwood.

DD

[docd...@panix.com]

In article <668db94f-089b-42dc...@googlegroups.com>,
Gilberto Junior <gilbertoj...@gmail.com> wrote:

[snip]

>docd...@panix.com, I'm sorry.
>I replied to your email with those words because I felt a lot of
>resentment in them.
>Forgive me. I hope that one day we can be friends.

You spoke to me honestly and there's nothing to forgive, old boy.

My best wishes to you and your family for good health and long lives.

DD

[docd...@panix.com]

In article <inh86b...@mid.individual.net>,

pete dashwood <dash...@enternet.co.nz> wrote:
>On 23/07/2021 15:21, docd...@panix.com wrote:
>> [posted and emailed]
>>
>> In article <a8315111-8189-4bf4...@googlegroups.com>,
>> K B SHIREESH KUMAR <kandur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I need a help on CA Realia Workbench tool.
>>
>> Please do your own job.
>>

>Has it really come to this, old friend?
>
>Somebody needs help.

Somebody stated they needed help, true. What they've asked for and what
they need might be different.

>Have you never been that person?

It has been a good, long while since I've been a person who asks for aid
without offering some insight into the work I've done on my own.

DD