VO2.7 ?
Eduardo Fernandes
http://www.sdgn.nl/sdgn.asp?A1PID=122PUAR&A1SID=130116200246
Hans-Joachim Grüßner
Hello,
I don't really speek netherlands, but I was at the conference in
Nürnberg myself.
So we have seen VO 2.7 already. Seems to be classes faster than now.
The policy is - as already mentioned in this form - to build a stable
version in first aspect, not to add so much new features, and to
compile the code with C++ Version 7.
The code, we have now is C++ Version 5.
Brian said in Nürnberg, that he has got the code - and could start
working with it - not earlier than mid of June this year.
And detectet, that the old VO-Crew compiled the code with the switch:
warnings: No.
As he switched to ALL WARNINGS, he got about 4000.
Trying to compile it with C++ V 7 gave about 8000 Warnings.
His first aspect is now to get a clean code with no warnings at all in
V 7.
The timeframe he told us for the delivery of 2.7 would be about 6
month from now.
As a rumor I heard, the pricing for 2.7 will be for registered 2.6
users only the costs for shipping an so on, it was mentioned abt.
20-30 US$.
2.5 - Users must pay a lot more.
Well, it's not a translation, but a little report from Nürnberg.
Greetings from the misty baltic sea
Hanjo
Marc Verkade
Now for some global translation of the 2 topics.
The conference started at 4 november with a session of John Parker and Brian
Feldman telling about the deal with CA. Furthermore John Parker demonstrated
the 2.7 build of VO. Some random AEF's were picked from the audience and
they all compiled well. Even a subsystem DLL from Robert van der Hulst.
Brian got the VO code at the start of June. Brian thinks that in 4-6 months
the new 2.7 will ship. The costs for an upgrade from 2.6 will probably be
only the shipping costs. For 2.5 users, a normal upgrade fee will be asked.
He promised the German public that he would try to get Unicode support in
this new version (However this was not a 'hard' promise!). Furthermore a
new, clean, SDK will be supplied with this new version. Without all current
warnings in the VO 2.5b3 code.
John Marshall allmost finished the new CaVo site including on-line
bugtracking en registration. John Parker en Herntz Graham, ex CA support
employee, will provide (payed) english support on VO. For local support the
different country suppliers will be involved.. For Germany this is Dieter
Crispien and for the Netherlands this will be Ed Richard from CasWell IT.
At the end of the conference there was a Q&A session. The spirit was
positive during this Q&A. The way Brian was open to the audience about all
VO issues did give (especially the German audience) a positive feeling about
the current situation and future development.
Brian furthermore introduced the kernal development team (Brice de Ganahl,
Dave Keuchler en Don Caton) Brian also told the audience that he was talking
to CA about a school-licensing model for VO.
The next conference will be held in England (DevRealm) and a new date was
planned for the next DevCon in Germany next year. Furthermore a confrence
will be held in America (Probably LA) in Juli organised by Oscar Schneider.
This was basicly all that was written in the 2 topics of the SDGN.
Grtz, Marc
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Michael Michailidis
the product??
"Hans-Joachim Grüßner" <ha...@gruessner.de> wrote in message
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Gary Stark
Perhaps we shoulr at least wait until it's ready to ship, and then Brian
can decide how he wants to handle those details?
--
g.
Gary Stark
gst...@RedbacksWeb.com
http://RedbacksWeb.com
Hans-Joachim Grüßner
<m.mich...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>Why don't rregistered users download the 2.7 as an alternative to shipping
>the product??
Because it will be too large for that, I get to hear. It will be not a
patch, but a full update.
Greetings
Hanjo
Michael Michailidis
surely is a decision that Brian has to make.
However the time it will take for a registered user to download the full
update using a 1MB broadband connection will be about a couple of hours for
a 200MB file. I cannot see the reason why not having it on their site as an
alternative of shipping the product for customers with this kind of
connection....
Michael
"Hans-Joachim Grüßner" <ha...@gruessner.de> wrote in message
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Malcolm Gray
> I agree with Garry Stark to wait up until the time the release is
> ready, and surely is a decision that Brian has to make.
>
> However the time it will take for a registered user to download the
> full update using a 1MB broadband connection will be about a couple
> of hours for a 200MB file. I cannot see the reason why not having it
> on their site as an alternative of shipping the product for customers
> with this kind of connection....
We don't know what their connection and and if they pay for bandwidth
though, let them work it out when they are ready.
Marcos Nogueira
> I don't really speek netherlands, but I was at the conference in
> Nürnberg myself.
>
> So we have seen VO 2.7 already. Seems to be classes faster than now.
> The policy is - as already mentioned in this form - to build a stable
> version in first aspect, not to add so much new features, and to
> compile the code with C++ Version 7.
> The code, we have now is C++ Version 5.
>
> Brian said in Nürnberg, that he has got the code - and could start
> working with it - not earlier than mid of June this year.
> And detectet, that the old VO-Crew compiled the code with the switch:
> warnings: No.
> As he switched to ALL WARNINGS, he got about 4000.
> Trying to compile it with C++ V 7 gave about 8000 Warnings.
>
> His first aspect is now to get a clean code with no warnings at all in
> V 7.
> The timeframe he told us for the delivery of 2.7 would be about 6
> month from now.
> ...
This confirms my [bad] first impressions about 2.6: IMO the product was
released in a hurry; the documentation is very poor; some 3rd parties don't
"fit well"; the SDK won't compile without warnings; etc., etc., etc. With
2.5b3 (very well documented, BTW) at least I knew how to avoid its problems.
Best regards,
Marcos Nogueira
S. Paulo - Brazil
Malcolm Gray
[snip]
>the SDK won't compile without warnings;
> etc., etc., etc. With
> 2.5b3 (very well documented, BTW) at least I knew how to avoid its
> problems.
The SDK in 2.6 is basically the same as 2.5, I don't think it is fair
to hold that against 2.6, but it is good that they are looking to
improve it.
I have not installed 2.6 but it does look to be exactly what was
promised.
Hans-Joachim Grüßner
<mar...@arenainformatica.com.br> wrote:
>
>This confirms my [bad] first impressions about 2.6: IMO the product was
>released in a hurry; the documentation is very poor; some 3rd parties don't
>"fit well"; the SDK won't compile without warnings; etc., etc., etc. With
>2.5b3 (very well documented, BTW) at least I knew how to avoid its problems.
Brian told us too, that the time to release 2.6 was a part of the
treaty with CA (He had to undersign before he had seen the code..... )
So let me say: the 2.6 is not far better (as we wished it) as the 2.5,
but it is better.
Greetings from the baltic
Hanjo
Marc
> to CA about a school-licensing model for VO.
That'd be a good move.
-Marc-
Marcos Nogueira
> ... (He had to undersign before he had seen the code..... )
Highly risky! If not for the support he gets from the users base, releasing
a buggy product could lead to its death (remember VO 1.0).
> So let me say: the 2.6 is not far better (as we wished it) as the 2.5,
> but it is better.
Yet to be proven.
> Greetings from the baltic
... and to you from the rainy southern Brazil,
Marcos
Marc Verkade
Grtz, Marc
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Karl Faller
>update using a 1MB broadband connection will be about a couple of hours for
>a 200MB file. I cannot see the reason why not having it on their site as an
>alternative of shipping the product for customers with this kind of
>connection....
I support that - thinking of 2.6 Fedex to exUsa is more than 10% of
the VO Price... i'd much prefer that money go to Brian, than to Fedex
;-)
Karl-
Da...@suilven.com
I think you have to have a strategic view of 2.6 -
If Brian had not taken that BIG risk, then VO would just decay into nothing
very quickly.
I paid for 2.6 because it was cheaper for me to invest in the future of VO,
than lose it altogether and have to learn another language.
As I understand it, 2.7 was the target that Brian tried to hit, but to make
CA's deadline he had to keep with the old compiler. Like you, I know 2.5b3
and will continue to use that until 2.7 arrives.
Brian took an enormous risk with VO, and we risked some money on 2.6 to give
him support. I'd do it again!
Dave Francis
Paul SISKA
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Ginny Caughey
> > So let me say: the 2.6 is not far better (as we wished it) as the 2.5,
> > but it is better.
> Yet to be proven.
Yes, this is proven. If you have 2.6 you can test for yourself. And if you want
any future fixes or enhancements in VO - ever - they will be based on the VO 2.7
version, which is itself based on 2.6. VO 2.5 is dead.
Ginny
Marcos Nogueira
> Yes, this is proven. If you have 2.6 you can test for yourself...
This is what I've been doing in the past few weeks, and am not convinced
yet. Again, Ginny, please remember that our realities differ a lot - few
customers here in Brazil have a Win2kSP3 (or XP Pro) workstation to work
on...
> And if you want
> any future fixes or enhancements in VO - ever - they will be based on the
VO 2.7
> version, which is itself based on 2.6. VO 2.5 is dead.
Glad to know that 2.7 is on the way...
Bob Newton
>if you want any future fixes or enhancements in VO - ever - they will be
based on the VO 2.7
>VO 2.5 is dead.
It sure is lookin like that now! After using VO for 8 years, this is the
end of the line. When I bought the 2.6 upgrade I thought I could get a few
more months, even years out of VO 2.x. From what I have been able to read
here, my present copy of RP is not supported in 2.6...I am pretty much done.
VO 2.5 will have to do until I can move all my lagacy VO apps over to C#. I
really can't justify spending any more time or money on Brian's project.
Bob
Erik Visser
Not sure what you mean with
>my present copy of RP is not supported in 2.6.<
version of the ReportPro-designer.dll
And on the Grafxsoft.com site you can get a very good offer for RPro 3.x +
classmate.
Erik
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Erik Visser
(webteam SDGN)
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Hans-Joachim Grüßner
<rfjn...@allpriser.com> wrote:
>It sure is lookin like that now! After using VO for 8 years, this is the
>end of the line. When I bought the 2.6 upgrade I thought I could get a few
>more months, even years out of VO 2.x. From what I have been able to read
>here, my present copy of RP is not supported in 2.6..
I suppose, you didn't read right. VO 2.5 is dead, but VO is pretty
alive.
If you just read some threads above, the PR 2.11 is solved too.
>VO 2.5 will have to do until I can move all my lagacy VO apps over to C#. I
I did see Rod da Silvas Cule.net in Nürnberg. It's impressive.
So I feel no reason to go to C# or what else.
>really can't justify spending any more time or money on Brian's project.
If you bougt already 2.6, so you should see an wait for 2.7.
I saw it already - as mentioned above, and it seems very fast.
But if you want to go... in germany we say : travellers should not
kept back.... ;-))
Gary Stark
Marcos Nogueira wrote:
> Hans-Joachim,
>
> > ... (He had to undersign before he had seen the code..... )
> Highly risky! If not for the support he gets from the users base, releasing
> a buggy product could lead to its death (remember VO 1.0).
>
> > So let me say: the 2.6 is not far better (as we wished it) as the 2.5,
> > but it is better.
> Yet to be proven.
Actually, well proven.
Bob Newton
> But if you have a look on the dproinc.com website, you will find a 2.6
> version of the ReportPro-designer.dll
I owe you one! Thanks alot. I don't how I could have missed this one.
Bob
Mark Chimes
> ... and to you from the rainy southern Brazil,
Rain? We have not seen rain for over 10 months and the weather gurus say we
will not have rain of any quantity until April.
I envy you <g>
cheers,
Mark
Geoff Schaller
Maths in our country seems to be a little different. I calculate a 1MB
connection to do a 200MB in about 26 minutes. (...assuming 1 Mega Bit per
sec on 200 Meg bytes) <g>.
However its not the point. Firstly there is the download cost from the ftp
site supplying this. It is considerable. Next there is the inconvenience of
traffic interruptions or not having a neat CD with everything self
contained. So, for something so large, I think a CD is greatly preferable.
Geoff
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Phil McGuinness
It is considerable ]
Geoff, where do you get this information from.
Internet service provides supply outbound traffic for FREE.. and charge for
INBOUND only
This is the general rule..
Phil McGuinness
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Gary Stark
Phil McGuinness wrote:
> snip[ Firstly there is the download cost from the ftp site supplying this.
> It is considerable ]
>
> Geoff, where do you get this information from.
> Internet service provides supply outbound traffic for FREE.. and charge for
> INBOUND only
> This is the general rule..
In Oz, yes.
But the way that Telstra charges for their downloads ....
My connection lets me download for free, depending upon when I do it.
>
> "Geoff Schaller" <geof...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> > Hmmm,
> >
> > Maths in our country seems to be a little different. I calculate a 1MB
> > connection to do a 200MB in about 26 minutes. (...assuming 1 Mega Bit per
> > sec on 200 Meg bytes) <g>.
> >
> > However its not the point. Firstly there is the download cost from the ftp
> > site supplying this. It is considerable. Next there is the inconvenience
> of
> > traffic interruptions or not having a neat CD with everything self
> > contained. So, for something so large, I think a CD is greatly preferable.
--
Marc Verkade
A 200mb download is the fastest way to receive software and updates...
If you want a CD.. Burn it yourself!
I can not imagine that sending VO with FedEx is cheaper than paying for an
FTP site where stuff can be downloaded...
BTW.. Cavo.com does exist... Why not download it from there?
Grtz, Marc
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Phil McGuinness
the CD
But hang on.. where does the Dealer get his cut here... The dynamics
change for sure.
Woops manufacture to user.. is the way to go.
I mean paying Fedex for delivering a couple of Grams and then an outdate CD
and wasted package and the Jet fuel... yep the internet is the way to go.
Phil
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Malcolm Gray
> snip[ Firstly there is the download cost from the ftp site supplying
> this. It is considerable ]
>
> Geoff, where do you get this information from.
> Internet service provides supply outbound traffic for FREE.. and
> charge for INBOUND only
> This is the general rule..
But not universal (we pay by the Gb either way from here)
Unknown
connection. We would end up like the old Blinker advert of a skeleton
in a chair covered in cobwebs and a message on the monitor 'How long
can you wait'
John Lewis
Eduardo Fernandes
"Erik Visser" <nos...@nospam.com> escreveu na mensagem
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> Nice to see our website is visited by people all over the world.
>
> Erik Visser
> (webteam SDGN)
Hi Erik,
Yes, your web site is very useful but many peoples around the world doesn´t
understand this language. You could put an option to translate to english.
Greetings from Brazil,
Eduardo Fernandes
Marcos Nogueira
> Yeah... I mean the music the Kids download is bigger than this and they
burn
> the CD
Not just kids (I mean in AGE terms <g>): 10+ GB already downloaded and
catalogued (in a VO app) - and growing...
Jean-Paul Bleau
I often download from MSDN file over 200mb at 56k
It takes 48 hours, but it works fine
Jean-Paul Bleau
Ordinateurs Laval
www.OrdinateursLaval.ca
www.FertiSoft.com
www.HautesLaurentides.com
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Eric Hourant
>> I often download from MSDN file over 200mb at 56k It takes 48 hours, but
it works fine<<
Eric
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Jean-Paul Bleau
But in my case, living in the woods is my choice but I would love to pay to
get DSL... But phone companies goes where the money is. We are not very well
served in regions. All the infrastructure is there, but they refuse to
install routers for DSL in my region; not enough potential customers.
Eric Hourant
>>living in the woods <<
I know many people (as I am) that would be very happy to live in a such
beautifull area. The price to pay (no ADSL) isn't very expensive <g>.
Tom Walden
You can't get satellite dish access out there??? Uploads are slow, but the
downloads are pretty fast.
Tom
Jean-Paul Bleau
But my main use is with Terminal Services and it does not work over a
satellite connection... Latency time is too long.
I'm waiting for DSL, as they promised it for 3 years now....
I have to be patient... I think !!!
Stephen Quinn
> Not just kids (I mean in AGE terms <g>): 10+ GB already downloaded and
Can you burn me a CD/DVD (or 2<g>) and mail them to me please<BG>.
--
HTH
Steve Quinn
Jamal (CS)
I also visited your website, but I could not understand the language. Since
you guys speak English and most of the VO developers around here do, it
would be helpful to have something in the English Language, that way we'll
all benefit.
Jamal
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Geoff Schaller
> Internet service provides supply outbound traffic for FREE.. and charge
for
> INBOUND only
> This is the general rule..
You're showing your usual ignorance Phil.
Its not the general rule. Even in Oz.
Geoff Schaller
I have a 2MB connection so my downloads are even faster. But I'd sooner have
a CD pre-burnt and posted. Why clog up the internet with all that traffic.
In the end it has to go onto a CD so it might as well start that way.
Geoff
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Phil McGuinness
It is the general rule in OZ and quite a few countries because 90% of the
traffic is into OZ rather than accessed externally from this country. The
pricing of bandwidth traffice gives significant discounts given to providers
for 'back traffic'
There is a formula for charging for the ratio of INBOUND and OUTOUND
traffic.
So a net importer whereby no hosting by an ISP pays more per megabyte.
It is a clever way to do business so that an ISP providor needs to or wants
to create traffic and host traffice and therefore create more overall
business.
Geoff, before you make such stupid and ill informed statements, why not
check the facts !!
Phil McGuinness
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Geoff Schaller
anyone you care to name in Oz. You will see then who is paying for
downloads!
Its not free!
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Phil McGuinness
I always quote Telstra prices to most people I host for.. because if I can
get these prices I am rich $$$$
You can get many many sites in OZ or around the world who will allow you
FREE downloads to fill their traffic quota.
Here is 2 minutes research on Google.
Lets see for $22.95 a month you can have 600 megs of your data and 60gigs of
download a month.
So you can have 3 x 200 megs of programs.
So lets see if you had VO2,7 and the figure of 200 megs was mentioned as a
download size.
So that is 300 delivers at the rate of $0.07 cents a month per download
client.
And you can even do better than that if you keep looking.
Phil McGuinness
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Geoff Schaller
> You can get many many sites in OZ or around the world who will allow you
> FREE downloads to fill their traffic quota.
Check the fine print. These are "toy" sites that lack the important features
such as SQL Server, private FTP facilities, a bunch of extensions and all
sorts of things. And who are they? How long will they last? They are not the
places to park serious websites.
> So lets see if you had VO2,7 and the figure of 200 megs was mentioned as a
> download size. So that is 300 delivers at the rate of $0.07 cents a month
per download
So a minute ago you were quoting "free". Do you now acknowledge there is a
cost? And once the ceiling is reached, what is the cost per MB after that?
Even at your 7c/download, what happens if 100,000 people want the download?
You are still up for serious money.
Geoff
Ed Richard
you a few more years of VO and support. And, who knows what more we can get
out of it.
They seem pretty determine and are making good progress, Brian showed us
that at the Devcon and made his plans clear. He's telling it like it is, and
that's much more than CA was prepared to do.
What Brian is doing, and the way he's handling it makes good sense to me!
Ed Richard
"Bob Newton" <rfjn...@allpriser.com> wrote in message
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> Ginny,
>
> >if you want any future fixes or enhancements in VO - ever - they will be
> based on the VO 2.7
> >VO 2.5 is dead.
>
> It sure is lookin like that now! After using VO for 8 years, this is the
> end of the line. When I bought the 2.6 upgrade I thought I could get a
few
> more months, even years out of VO 2.x. From what I have been able to read
> here, my present copy of RP is not supported in 2.6...I am pretty much
done.
> VO 2.5 will have to do until I can move all my lagacy VO apps over to C#.
I
> really can't justify spending any more time or money on Brian's project.
>
> Bob
>
>
Phil McGuinness
download? You are still up for serious money.]
Geoff you cannot count....... but we know your budget snip[ You are still
up for serious money.]
So it seems serious money to you is 7 cents.. How many cups of coffee
could you buy in England for 7 cents ???
So you must have been really pissed off when it cost about $5.00 Australian.
Lets see if Brian sold 100,000 copies of VO2.7 ( which I am sure he would
delighted in...<G>) and his distribution cost was say 7 cents a unit then I
am sure he can easily afford a doubling of his costs to 14 cents.
There is a cost for everything but lets see your calculation for 100,000
FEDex delivery charges and the time for somebody to prepare those parcels
for delivery.. not to mention the cost of burning this many CD's and the
Oops factor after you burned 50,000 you realised you left a file of the CD
and shit we have to start again.
Web delivery for software is the way to go...
Lets see I use Help n Manual , CuteFTP, Wise 9, bBrowser, MDreport, VO2ADO,
PHP, mySQL and many others and all are FTP downloads.. simple clean and
efficient.
All my new VO users are all getting the soft installated and maintained from
the Web and fractions of the costs of burning CD's and updating via any
other means.
When there is a later version I receive or my clients notification and
I/they have it 10 minutes later.
Phil McGuinness
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Johel de Souza Filho
> There is a cost for everything but lets see your calculation for 100,000
> FEDex delivery charges and the time for somebody to prepare those parcels
> for delivery.. not to mention the cost of burning this many CD's and the
> Oops factor after you burned 50,000 you realised you left a file of the CD
> and shit we have to start again.
>
> Web delivery for software is the way to go...
Very good!! Only a brain damaged guy would not understand it.
Web delivery for software is the way to go!!
Johel
Phil McGuinness
I wonder who........
Phil McGuinness
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Geoff Schaller
cup of coffee. Please go back to school and review your maths. The issue, in
a nutshell, is that web download is not free. Your first post intimated this
and you back-pedalled later. Now you acknowledge the cost but we need to
have you review your computational skills. There is a cost and someone wears
it. And when I download something the size of 200MB I burn it out onto disk.
Its silly keeping such things buried on a HDD - and I would soon run out of
space, lose it or corrupt it. So, with all this effort I'd rather just have
a CD sent to me. I don't need to clog the internet with my 200MB download.
And I'm not alone. Just ask Microsoft how many CD's they cut each year for
various products and releases.
And unlike you Phil, not everyone has the perfect internet connection.
Geoff
"Phil McGuinness" <hey...@sherlock.com.au> wrote in message
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Phil McGuinness
snip[ Your first post intimated this and you back-pedalled later. ]
I Have not withdrawn this statement. Go search for FREE hosting.
You can set up download for Free... if you find a site that will host that
way.
There are many that will do it as they have advertising on the site or need
to build back traffic.
snip[ Just ask Microsoft how many CD's they cut each year for various
products and releases.]
Geoff the only thing that keeps Microsoft systems running is the downloading
of Patches to do so.
Geoff do your maths Service Pack III for Windows 2000 is 133 megs
Geoff Service Pack I for XP is 120 megs.
Microsofts patches are about twice the size of a complete Vo installation
with space to spare.
Geoff get with it will ya...........
snip[ 100,000 x 7c is just a tad more than a cup of coffee. ]
Well you might have to multiply the coffee times 100,000 if you are going to
do your calculations that way.
Phil McGuinness
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"Geoff Schaller" <geof...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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Johel de Souza Filho
> Web delivery for software is the way to go...
As a proof of concept, I just downloaded the America's Army game from:
http://www.3dgamers.com/dl/games/americasarmy/armyops130.exe.html
The file's size is 281 MB. Due to a slow server I got 6,64 KB/sec download
rate. I left it downloading over night and it was done after 12 hours. It
was a file transfer from Virginia, USA to Araraquara/SP, Brasil. I even was
working in the morning, using Internet while the downloading was
finishing...
Would I want to wait a week to have it?
NO!
Would I want to pay US$ 50,00 (VO's shipping and handling to Brasil) to have
it?
NO! (I pay US$ 20,00/month for a 64K cable connection with no limits for
downloads.)
As you said...
Web delivery for software is the way to go!!
Regards,
Johel