[COMSDK] - Bug Report/Fix: BSTR* [in,out]
ilias
[repost, original post: usenet <vo...@null.com> 1.6.03 21:59]
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Domain:
COMSDK, Automation Server, Events, Parameters, BSTR*, [in,out]
Problem:
When declaring an BSTR* as[in,out], the input string never arrives in
the event-handler-method.
Instead of the string sended by the automation-server, the
event-handler-method receives some undefined data.
Bug location:
Application: 01 TS COM Base
Module: TS_Base_Functions
Function: TS_Variant2Usual
Line: 119
"
IF pszRetVal<>NULL_PSZ
WideCharToMultiByte(CP_ACP
;
,0U
;
119:
//,PSZ(pstruWinVariantArg.uVariant.pbstrVal);
,PSZ(_CAST,LONG(pstruWinVariantArg.uVariant.plVal))
"
Bug description:
The pointer (to the BSTR) itself is passed to the conversion function
"WideCharToMultiByte".
Instead, the *value* of the pointer (the BSTR) must be passed.
Fix:
Replace: ,PSZ(pstruWinVariantArg.uVariant.pbstrVal);
With: ,PSZ(_CAST,LONG(pstruWinVariantArg.uVariant.plVal));
recomplie 01 TS COM Base
tuch and recompile the affected project.
-
Validation:
Call to the developers of the COMSDK: please check and validate this
bug report / fix.
Ed Richard
It will be taken care of,
Ed Richard
"ilias" <use...@abeon.com> wrote in message
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ilias
> Hi Ilias, thanks for identifying yourself, and this bug.
>
> It will be taken care of,
>
> Ed Richard
I'm sorry, but i have to reject your 'thanks'.
A real and honest 'thanks' would be for me, if you publish this and
all other available Bugfixes/Bugreports which affect the COMSDK on a
weblocation.
Then i would know: the result of my 2 days effort is well shared with
other (current and future) VO/COMSDK-users.
Then i would know: another VO/COMSDK-user will not fall into the same
trap and loose time. Even if this user is a competitor!
Competition battle should be in thinking, creativity,
processing-models...! Not in who has the better information about
bugs-in-the-tools. Show me your tool-bug, and i show you mine - and
then we 'fight' again.
Additionally it would be friendly against the VO/COMSDK users, to
publish the actual COMSDK-version on a weblocation, even if it is only
a beta.
I'm sure, that some member of the VO-community will serve you with
webspace/technical assistance.
Please show the responsibility of a toolmanufacturer.
.
Geoff Schaller
Sorry but I find your response to Ed very strange. You have just had the
author of the COMSDK acknowledge and thank you for the bug and a
confirmation that it would be dealt with. You then proceed to criticise him
and his process!
This is not a commercial product. It does not earn Fred and Ed money (where
did you pay for it????). So why are you expecting commercial support? Isn't
it enough that they will release a repaired COMSDK and probably publish that
here and in other VO haunts.
Sorry, but I find your attitude disturbing and certainly not in the spirit
in which the COMSDK was provided to us in the first place.
Geoff
- Jari -
> Sorry but I find your response to Ed very strange. You have just had the
> author of the COMSDK acknowledge and thank you for the bug and a
> confirmation that it would be dealt with. You then proceed to criticise
him
> and his process!
Mostly I agree with you, but I think Ilias has a point anyhow.
COMSDK is good tool.
Let's forget COMSDK for while and speak about all VO 3rd party products.
Most of them (99.9%) are non-professional and this is because authors are
not making
money with them. In this case "non-professional" doesn't mean that they are
poor software.
Nothing like that, most of them are brilliant.
It just means that, because of VO itself is a marginal
product users can't trust...
1. Future development (Upgrades etc)
2. Support FAQs, Email etc
3. Compability with other tools
> This is not a commercial product. It does not earn Fred and Ed money
(where
> did you pay for it????). So why are you expecting commercial support?
Isn't
> it enough that they will release a repaired COMSDK and probably publish
that
> here and in other VO haunts.
Geoff aren't you forgetting something here?
When 2.6 upgrade was released Grafx was telling us how many wonderfull 3rd
party
products were included. IOW It was the only reason to _buy_ 2.6. So if
authors
didn't collect money from Grafx I would say they had bad agreements <G>
> Sorry, but I find your attitude disturbing
Me too....
>and certainly not in the spirit
>in which the COMSDK was provided to us in the first place.
Here I have to disagree...
- Jari -
Ed Richard
Frans and I have other priorities right now. Don't expect anything soon.
you're efforts are appreciated, and shared through this newsgroup. That will
have to do for now.
BTW, there's no competition.
Ed
"ilias" <use...@abeon.com> wrote in message
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ilias
> Ilias,
>
> Sorry but I find your response to Ed very strange.
this is your right.
> You have just had the
> author of the COMSDK acknowledge and thank you for the bug and a
> confirmation that it would be dealt with.
"The autor of the COMSDK"
"acknowlede"
"thanks"
I express clearly why i reject this 'thanks'.
Thanks is a word with a deep meaning.
I don't accept it from anyone at anytime.
That's my right.
>You then proceed to criticise him and his process!
Yes, as a thinking individual, i criticise.
That's my right.
I give argumentation lines, which you can 'attack', which you can
ignore (e.g. by not quoting them and answering in context).
That's your right.
> This is not a commercial product. It does not earn Fred and Ed money (where
> did you pay for it????).
irrelevant.
> So why are you expecting commercial support?
I don't expect "commercial support".
I expect "publishing bugreports, bugfixes and actual versions in a
central location "
> Isn't it enough that they will release a repaired COMSDK and probably publish
> that here and in other VO haunts.
Repetition.
I've already stated, argued and backed up: no, it's not enough.
> Sorry, but I find your attitude disturbing and certainly not in the spirit
> in which the COMSDK was provided to us in the first place.
You (all), happy with the Tools and the situation, were irrelevant to
me.
I'm interested in those which are not happy with the situation.
And I care about new customers, which have no idea in which traps they
can fall with VO / ComSDK / other 3rds (i've not checked... yet).
Why?
Don't know exactly... yet.
> Geoff
Ed Richard
Don't think so Jari, Brian paid for my drinks during the DevFest event night
when we ran out of vouchers <g>
Glenmorangie is very nice you know (http://www.glenmorangie.com/).
Ed
ilias
> Ilias,
[ilias has copied this answers manually down into context]
> Ed
> "ilias" <use...@abeon.com> wrote in message
> news:35a10d4c.03060...@posting.google.com...
> > "Ed Richard" <e.d.Richard_No@Spam_Chello.nl> wrote in message
> news:<XCgDa.10054$KF1.142860@amstwist00>...
> > > Hi Ilias, thanks for identifying yourself, and this bug.
> > >
> > > It will be taken care of,
> > >
> > > Ed Richard
> > [...]
> >
> > I'm sorry, but i have to reject your 'thanks'.
> >
> > A real and honest 'thanks' would be for me, if you publish this and
> > all other available Bugfixes/Bugreports which affect the COMSDK on a
> > weblocation.
> >
> > Then i would know: the result of my 2 days effort is well shared with
> > other (current and future) VO/COMSDK-users.
> >
> > Then i would know: another VO/COMSDK-user will not fall into the same
> > trap and loose time. Even if this user is a competitor!
> you're efforts are appreciated, and shared through this newsgroup.
"Appreciation"
> That will have to do for now.
It looks like.
> > Competition battle should be in thinking, creativity,
> > processing-models...! Not in who has the better information about
> > bugs-in-the-tools. Show me your tool-bug, and i show you mine - and
> > then we 'fight' again.
> BTW, there's no competition.
of course there is.
Microsoft vs. SUN.
Employee vs. CoEmployee.
Me vs. <other people creating the same product, perhaps with same
tools>
> > Additionally it would be friendly against the VO/COMSDK users, to
> > publish the actual COMSDK-version on a weblocation, even if it is only
> > a beta.
> >
> > I'm sure, that some member of the VO-community will serve you with
> > webspace/technical assistance.
> >
> > Please show the responsibility of a toolmanufacturer.
> Frans and I have other priorities right now. Don't expect anything soon.
I understand.
You will not invest a few hours, to serve the current/future of
VO/COMSDK users with this stuff.
-
Thank you for your answers.
Ed Richard
> You will not invest a few hours, to serve the current/future of
> VO/COMSDK users with this stuff.
This hurts, Frans and I have spend months of our free time writing, testing
and documenting. We anticipated we could make any money out of it, so we
included full sourcecode.
Frans has spend a lot more time finishing the serverside code, of which a
preliminary version has been put on the Australian Devcon CD (which
everybody can buy). We still have some issues and documentation to fix
before we are ready to take the next step. Currently we are involved in a
few important projects that do make us money so we can feed our families.
This has priority.
I've been as helpfull as I can, this will have to do.
Goodbye,
Ed
Gary Stark
Perhaps, because you are so disatisfied with the product, you should ask Ed for a full refund of every single Euro that you've paid for this product.
I know that Ed's a very reasonable guy, and I'm confident that he'll be happy send you his cheque for, er, um, let's see .....
Product cost :
0.00
Shipping and handling : 0.00
VAT:
0.00
Total paid : 0.00
Which, totally by coincidence, is exactly the value that I place on your criticisms of Ed and Frans.
The bottom line is really very simple: Ed and Frans have donated a considerable amount of time to developing a tool that the community can benefit from. The tool may - or may not - be suitable for your needs. That is a decision that only you can make.
But unless and until you compensate Ed and Frans for their efforts, you have little, if any, right to offend them - and their efforts given freely and from the heart - in the way that I believe that you have. Rather than compensate, you have done little but offend and belittle them. This is neither appropriate nor warranted.
If you don't like the tool, fine. Don't use it.
--
g.
Gary Stark
gst...@RedbacksWeb.com
http://RedbacksWeb.com
Geoff Schaller
I note Jari's comments and I'm not disagreeing but I don't know where we can
take such things from there. I know one thing. The level of support you are
looking for just won't happen.
Geoff
"ilias" <use...@abeon.com> wrote in message
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Geoff Schaller
> You will not invest a few hours, to serve the current/future of
> VO/COMSDK users with this stuff.
Now you are being insulting.
You haven't listened to a word Ed said.
Please demonstrate an equivalent amount of commitment to VO that Frans and
Ed have shown us and I will concede you the right to such statements.
Geoff
ilias
<ge...@softwareREMobjectives.com.au> wrote:
>I just think you want too much from 3rd party free products.
of course not.
>I note Jari's comments and I'm not disagreeing but I don't know where we can
>take such things from there. I know one thing. The level of support you are
>looking for just won't happen.
makes me sad.
reminder:
>> I expect "publishing bugreports, bugfixes and actual versions in a
>> central location "
>
>Geoff
- Jari -
> Don't think so Jari, Brian paid for my drinks during the DevFest event
night
> when we ran out of vouchers <g>
> Glenmorangie is very nice you know (http://www.glenmorangie.com/).
Sounds fair enough... <G>
- Jari -
ilias
<e.d.Richard_No@Spam_Chello.nl> wrote:
>Ilias
>
>> You will not invest a few hours, to serve the current/future of
>> VO/COMSDK users with this stuff.
clarification: "this stuff" refers to:
- "available Bugfixes/Bugreports" and
- "current version, even if beta"
>This hurts,
of course it 'hurts'.
> Frans and I have spend months of our free time writing, testing
>and documenting.
your effort is appreciated. I wrote you this in my very first contact.
But: where's the problem to add a few ours to publish this stuff?
>We anticipated we could make any money out of it, so we
>included full sourcecode.
irrelevant.
>Frans has spend a lot more time finishing the serverside code, of which a
>preliminary version has been put on the Australian Devcon CD (which
>everybody can buy).
"Australian Devcon CD"
This sounds really important.
>We still have some issues and documentation to fix
>before we are ready to take the next step.
Take your time to do a good job.
This has nothing to do with publishing the critical bugreports stuff.
> Currently we are involved in a
>few important projects that do make us money so we can feed our families.
>This has priority.
Now, are you an egoist, or not?
There are other people, too. Which (for whatever reason) *have* to use
VO and (as there's nothing else available) *have* to use the COMSDK to
contact automation-servers.
You *owe* those people a clear and precise statement which clarifies
where they can find
- at *minimun*: current Bugreports / Bugfixes and Known Issues
thus they don't run into problems caused by a bug that is already
fixed (but not included in the distributed version).
So *they* don't loose time and make a good job and *they* can feed
their families.
If you decide to provide a free tool for a Software-Production-System,
then do it right or at minimum *interupt* your work right.
You must have the responsibility, that *all* users of your tools (and
not only the insiders) get the critical informaion about your tool.
>I've been as helpfull as I can,
No, you aren't.
> this will have to do.
If you think that, it's ok.
I can of course suggest the users to search in google for "COMSDK Bug"
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=COMSDK+Bug&meta=group%3Dcomp.lang.clipper.visual-objects
But how will they find this suggestion?
-
Maybe finally all this is a fault of GrafX.
They should not provide only "here we have 14 nice 3rd-party-tools",
but they should set-up minimum requirements (e.g.: support site must
be available, even if only one page, even if hosted @grafx).
http://www.grafxsoft.com/vo26.htm
"
[...]
Third Party Products! We hope you find a lot of value in the 14
Third-Party Products that are included in this release of Visual
Objects 2.6. Each of these products represents thousand of man-hours,
by authors that have a particular expertise in their chosen area of
software development. We urge you to explore the possibilities that
these add-on products will provide you. To help you see the value
that these products bring, here is a short description of each of
them, listed in alphabetical order. Each has its own install within
its own directory on your Visual Objects CD ROM.
[...]
"
>Goodbye,
cu!
>Ed
>
ilias
<3052...@RedbacksWeb.com> wrote:
>Ilias,
[ilias is unable to copy the answer manually into context]
>
>
>Perhaps, because you are so disatisfied with the product, you should ask Ed for a full refund of every single
>Euro that you've paid for this product.
i am not dissatisfied with the product.
>I know that Ed's a very reasonable guy, and I'm confident that he'll be happy send you his cheque for, er,
>um, let's see .....
>
>Product cost : 0.00
>Shipping and handling : 0.00
>VAT: 0.00
>
>Total paid : 0.00
cost => irrelevant.
>Which, totally by coincidence, is exactly the value that I place on your criticisms of Ed and Frans.
your rating is irrelevant to me.
>The bottom line is really very simple: Ed and Frans have donated a considerable amount of time to developing
>a tool that the community can benefit from. The tool may - or may not - be suitable for your needs. That is a
>decision that only you can make.
obvious.
>But unless and until you compensate Ed and Frans for their efforts, you have little, if any, right to offend
>them
wrong: even if i compensate them, i have no right to offend them.
> - and their efforts given freely and from the heart - in the way that I believe that you have. Rather
>than compensate, you have done little but offend and belittle them.
"offend" "belittle" => faulty interpretation.
>This is neither appropriate nor warranted.
...nor true.
>If you don't like the tool, fine. Don't use it.
I like it, cause i must.
Something like with Windows.
ilias
<ge...@softwareREMobjectives.com.au> wrote:
>Ilias,
>
>> You will not invest a few hours, to serve the current/future of
>> VO/COMSDK users with this stuff.
>
>Now you are being insulting.
This is a truth, not an insult.
See the sentence in his context.
>You haven't listened to a word Ed said.
"Listening"
"Reading"
"Quoting"
"Answering in context"
>Please demonstrate an equivalent amount of commitment to VO that Frans and
>Ed have shown us and I will concede you the right to such statements.
I'm sorry, i have the right to such statements.
No demonstration neccessary.
What you concede to me is irrelevant.
>
>Geoff
>
>
Gary Stark
ilias wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:17:26 +1000, Gary Stark
> <3052...@RedbacksWeb.com> wrote:
>
> >Ilias,
> [ilias is unable to copy the answer manually into context]
Why am I not surprised ? :)
>
> >
> >
> >Perhaps, because you are so disatisfied with the product, you should ask Ed for a full refund of every single
> >Euro that you've paid for this product.
>
> i am not dissatisfied with the product.
You have expressed extreme dissatisfaction with both the product, and with how you believe that Ed and Frans are
managing it.
>
>
> >I know that Ed's a very reasonable guy, and I'm confident that he'll be happy send you his cheque for, er,
> >um, let's see .....
> >
> >Product cost : 0.00
> >Shipping and handling : 0.00
> >VAT: 0.00
> >
> >Total paid : 0.00
>
> cost => irrelevant.
Not when you're complaining about its capabilities and making demands of the authors.
>
>
> >Which, totally by coincidence, is exactly the value that I place on your criticisms of Ed and Frans.
>
> your rating is irrelevant to me.
I was hoping for less than irrelevant. Damn!
>
> >The bottom line is really very simple: Ed and Frans have donated a considerable amount of time to developing
> >a tool that the community can benefit from. The tool may - or may not - be suitable for your needs. That is a
> >decision that only you can make.
>
> obvious.
So ... ???
>
> >But unless and until you compensate Ed and Frans for their efforts, you have little, if any, right to offend
> >them
>
> wrong: even if i compensate them, i have no right to offend them.
Finally!
You have said something that is reasonable and correct. Given your point of view here, why did you then go and
offend them ?
> > - and their efforts given freely and from the heart - in the way that I believe that you have. Rather
> >than compensate, you have done little but offend and belittle them.
>
> "offend" "belittle" => faulty interpretation.
Er, no.
I interpreted your statements in this manner, as did both Ed and Frans. And Geoff ... Mark ... and quite a few
others, I might add.
I'm happy to accept that because English is not your native language, you may not have meant what you actually
said, but as Mark has pointed out, you continue to persist with your attitude that is demanding things from Frans
and Ed, but is giving them little recognition for the simple fact that they have other priorities.
You are, as I've said, free to disagree with their priorities, but that in no way means that your priorities are
of greater significance than theirs. They may well be, for you, and that is fine. But that is as far as it goes.
> >If you don't like the tool, fine. Don't use it.
>
> I like it, cause i must.
I don't think so.
Who is holding a gun to your head telling you to use this tool? There are lots of other tools available for your
use. VB, C#, Delphi ...
Noone has forced you to use VO, so please, don't come crying here saying that you must use it. It's a choice.
Always has been, always will be.
VO's a great tool, and I've been using it for a very long time. Just on 10 years, in fact.
Over that time, the one glaring fact that I've obesrved is that those who complain the loudest about things not
working within VO or its toolset are those who are the least competent in VO usage.
Dave Francis
> >This hurts,
>
> of course it 'hurts'.
There is an English phrase - "to bite the hand that feeds you". It implies
an attitude problem and some lack of intellectual foresight on the part of
the animal that bites.
You need to change your attitude, at least. Wandering around NGs "hurting"
contributors, (and apparently happy to hurt) is an uncivilised and
disgusting way to behave. It reflects only on yourself.
...to everyone else - sorry for that, and keep up the good (and very
necessary work) that keeps this NG and language alive.
Dave Francis
ilias
wrote:
>Ilias,
>
>> >This hurts,
>>
>> of course it 'hurts'.
>
>
>
>There is an English phrase - "to bite the hand that feeds you". It implies
>an attitude problem and some lack of intellectual foresight on the part of
>the animal that bites.
Imagination.
Use it!
>You need to change your attitude, at least.
There is no need.
>Wandering around NGs "hurting"
>contributors, (and apparently happy to hurt) is an uncivilised and
>disgusting way to behave.
Yes, it is.
Perhaps you are one step before to do that...
>It reflects only on yourself.
...so take care what you write.
>...to everyone else - sorry for that, and keep up the good (and very
>necessary work) that keeps this NG and language alive.
The language is dying.
And the behaviour in this 'newsgroup' is one reason for that.
>
>Dave Francis
>
Malcolm Gray
it was possibly worth replying (I don't see them
at work as he is a blocked sender)]
"ilias" <use...@abeon.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
> There are other people, too. Which (for whatever reason) *have* to use
> VO and (as there's nothing else available) *have* to use the COMSDK to
> contact automation-servers.
No you don't have to use COMSDK - Rod has already said you
could implement it yourself using VOCOM if you wished to
or you could use published docs from microsoft to
implement it entirly yourself.
(I (like I suspect many) do wish CA had provided more native
COM support in 2.0 and 2.5 but other have plugged many of the gaps)
ilias
<3052...@RedbacksWeb.com> wrote:
>
>
>ilias wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:17:26 +1000, Gary Stark
>> <3052...@RedbacksWeb.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Ilias,
>> [ilias is unable to copy the answer manually into context]
>
>Why am I not surprised ? :)
Cause *you* write the answer out of context...
>> >Perhaps, because you are so disatisfied with the product, you should ask Ed for a full refund of every single
>> >Euro that you've paid for this product.
>>
>> i am not dissatisfied with the product.
>
>You have expressed extreme dissatisfaction with both the product
"extreme dissatisfaction" => faulty interpretation
Please reread.
>, and with how you believe that Ed and Frans are managing it.
I'm sad, that they don't realize their fault.
>> >I know that Ed's a very reasonable guy, and I'm confident that he'll be happy send you his cheque for, er,
>> >um, let's see .....
>> >
>> >Product cost : 0.00
>> >Shipping and handling : 0.00
>> >VAT: 0.00
>> >
>> >Total paid : 0.00
>>
>> cost => irrelevant.
>
>Not when you're complaining about its capabilities and making demands of the authors.
"making demands" => false
"criticism" => my right (even for a free product)
Everyone is free to ignore it.
>> >Which, totally by coincidence, is exactly the value that I place on your criticisms of Ed and Frans.
>>
>> your rating is irrelevant to me.
>
>I was hoping for less than irrelevant. Damn!
sorry.
>> >The bottom line is really very simple: Ed and Frans have donated a considerable amount of time to developing
>> >a tool that the community can benefit from. The tool may - or may not - be suitable for your needs. That is a
>> >decision that only you can make.
>>
>> obvious.
>
>So ... ???
I don't talk about me.
Please reread. ["...thus other users don't run into the same
problems..."]
>> >But unless and until you compensate Ed and Frans for their efforts, you have little, if any, right to offend
>> >them
>>
>> wrong: even if i compensate them, i have no right to offend them.
>
>Finally!
>
>You have said something that is reasonable and correct. Given your point of view here, why did you then go and
>offend them ?
"offend" => faulty interpretation.
Please reread.
>> > - and their efforts given freely and from the heart - in the way that I believe that you have. Rather
>> >than compensate, you have done little but offend and belittle them.
>>
>> "offend" "belittle" => faulty interpretation.
>
>Er, no.
>
>I interpreted your statements in this manner, as did both Ed and Frans. And Geoff ... Mark ... and quite a few
>others, I might add.
"offend" "belittle" => faulty interpretation.
Please reread.
>I'm happy to accept that because English is not your native language, you may not have meant what you actually
>said, but as Mark has pointed out, you continue to persist with your attitude that is demanding things from Frans
>and Ed, but is giving them little recognition for the simple fact that they have other priorities.
I don't continue to 'demand'.
I've finished conversation with:
"Thank you for your answers."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=35a10d4c.03060...@posting.google.com
>You are, as I've said, free to disagree with their priorities, but that in no way means that your priorities are
>of greater significance than theirs.
I don't talk about my priorities.
Please reread. ["...thus other users...."]
>They may well be, for you, and that is fine. But that is as far as it goes.
fine.
>> >If you don't like the tool, fine. Don't use it.
>>
>> I like it, cause i must.
>
>I don't think so.
>
>Who is holding a gun to your head telling you to use this tool? There are lots of other tools available for your
>use. VB, C#, Delphi ...
>
>Noone has forced you to use VO, so please, don't come crying here saying that you must use it. It's a choice. Always has been, always will be.
Although this is not the main topic:
show a little imagination to realize that there are situations with a
'must'.
>VO's a great tool, and I've been using it for a very long time. Just on 10 years, in fact.
It's nice that you're happy with your tool.
>Over that time, the one glaring fact that I've obesrved is that those who complain the loudest about things not
>working within VO or its toolset are those who are the least competent in VO usage.
VO=> Nothing special.
Another OO language.
With nice things, others don't have.
Without nice things, others have.
With bad things...
...and so on
-
- Jari -
> Don't think so Jari, Brian paid for my drinks during the DevFest event
night
> when we ran out of vouchers <g>
> Glenmorangie is very nice you know (http://www.glenmorangie.com/).
Sounds fair enough... <G>
- Jari -
ilias
<malcol...@jobstream.co.uk> wrote:
>[As I am reading at home I saw this posting and decided
>it was possibly worth replying (I don't see them
>at work as he is a blocked sender)]
Who makes such terrible things?
Deciding what your eyes read?
>"ilias" <use...@abeon.com> wrote in message
>news:bbr82m$v4r$1...@newsreader.mailgate.org...
>[snip]
>> There are other people, too. Which (for whatever reason) *have* to use
>> VO and (as there's nothing else available) *have* to use the COMSDK to
>> contact automation-servers.
>
>No you don't have to use COMSDK
You are right!
> - Rod has already said you
>could implement it yourself using VOCOM if you wished to
>or you could use published docs from microsoft to
>implement it entirly yourself.
Of course the "self-coding-option" is nearly always available.
But who has the time?
If you want quick results, you use:
a) The IDE (here: not possible, as not supported in VO)
b) The 3rd-pary products (here COMSDK)
Sometimes the time spended with 3rd-party products is finally greater
than a "do-it-yourself".
But if it is about COM, i think its better to use a
3rd-party-solution, especially if it is provided with source-code
(like COMSDK).
>(I (like I suspect many) do wish CA had provided more native
>COM support in 2.0 and 2.5
I'm in the list.
>but other have plugged many of the gaps)
Yes, and i'm happy about this.
Dave Francis
> The language is dying.
> And the behaviour in this 'newsgroup' is one reason for that.
Mmmm, it might be best if you take your self-righteousness somewhere else
then.
Farewell Ilias...
Dave Francis
Gary Stark
ilias wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 13:29:22 +1000, Gary Stark
> <3052...@RedbacksWeb.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >ilias wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:17:26 +1000, Gary Stark
> >> <3052...@RedbacksWeb.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Ilias,
> >> [ilias is unable to copy the answer manually into context]
> >
> >Why am I not surprised ? :)
>
> Cause *you* write the answer out of context...
Actually, no. You were the only one who has moved the context.
>
> >> >Perhaps, because you are so disatisfied with the product, you should ask Ed for a full refund of every single
> >> >Euro that you've paid for this product.
> >>
> >> i am not dissatisfied with the product.
> >
> >You have expressed extreme dissatisfaction with both the product
>
> "extreme dissatisfaction" => faulty interpretation
The only things faulty here are your ignorance and your attitude.
>
>
> Please reread.
I can do better than that.
Do you know what a killfile is? You're in it!
>
> >, and with how you believe that Ed and Frans are managing it.
>
> I'm sad, that they don't realize their fault.
Neither Ed nor Frans are without fault; they know that.
You, too, are not without fault. The sad part is that you're too damn arrogant to understand and accept that simple fact of life. That's your loss
though. Your's and your's alone.
>
> "criticism" => my right (even for a free product)
>
> Everyone is free to ignore it.
Everyone is also free to ignore you. I suspect that many already are, and, like me, many more will be joining this ever growing list.
> >> >The bottom line is really very simple: Ed and Frans have donated a considerable amount of time to developing
> >> >a tool that the community can benefit from. The tool may - or may not - be suitable for your needs. That is a
> >> >decision that only you can make.
> >>
> >> obvious.
> >
> >So ... ???
>
> I don't talk about me.
More's the pity. You need to take a mirror and hold it up to yourself with some honesty and integrity, rather than an attitude of arrogance and
denial. Try pretending you're an adult for a change, instead of a petulant little 8 year old whose big brother won't let her ride his bicycle.
> >> >But unless and until you compensate Ed and Frans for their efforts, you have little, if any, right to offend
> >> >them
> >>
> >> wrong: even if i compensate them, i have no right to offend them.
> >
> >Finally!
> >
> >You have said something that is reasonable and correct. Given your point of view here, why did you then go and
> >offend them ?
>
> "offend" => faulty interpretation.
>
> Please reread.
No. You should re-write your messages, so that there can be no interpretation that offense was intended.
>
> >> > - and their efforts given freely and from the heart - in the way that I believe that you have. Rather
> >> >than compensate, you have done little but offend and belittle them.
> >>
> >> "offend" "belittle" => faulty interpretation.
> >
> >Er, no.
> >
> >I interpreted your statements in this manner, as did both Ed and Frans. And Geoff ... Mark ... and quite a few
> >others, I might add.
>
> "offend" "belittle" => faulty interpretation.
>
> Please reread.
Please reread ... please reread ... please reread ...
Turn off the bloody faulty recording, you parrot!
>
> >I'm happy to accept that because English is not your native language, you may not have meant what you actually
> >said, but as Mark has pointed out, you continue to persist with your attitude that is demanding things from Frans
> >and Ed, but is giving them little recognition for the simple fact that they have other priorities.
>
> I don't continue to 'demand'.
Good
> >You are, as I've said, free to disagree with their priorities, but that in no way means that your priorities are
> >of greater significance than theirs.
>
> I don't talk about my priorities.
>
> Please reread. ["...thus other users...."]
There's that bloody parrot again!
> >> >If you don't like the tool, fine. Don't use it.
> >>
> >> I like it, cause i must.
> >
> >I don't think so.
> >
> >Who is holding a gun to your head telling you to use this tool? There are lots of other tools available for your
> >use. VB, C#, Delphi ...
> >
> >Noone has forced you to use VO, so please, don't come crying here saying that you must use it. It's a choice. Always has been, always will be.
>
> Although this is not the main topic:
>
> show a little imagination to realize that there are situations with a
> 'must'.
>
You have no concept whatsoever of the capabilities of my imagination, so please do not even begin to go there. Further, for you to even suggest
that "there are situations with a must" are, prima facie, a clear sign of your lack of imagination as well as your lack of a thorough
understanding of the software development process and the various environments under which that process may be undertaken.
Methinks it's time you went back to school.
>
> >VO's a great tool, and I've been using it for a very long time. Just on 10 years, in fact.
>
> It's nice that you're happy with your tool.
That too. <g>
> >Over that time, the one glaring fact that I've obesrved is that those who complain the loudest about things not
> >working within VO or its toolset are those who are the least competent in VO usage.
>
> VO=> Nothing special.
>
> Another OO language.
>
> With nice things, others don't have.
>
> Without nice things, others have.
Yes, none of this is incorrect.
Which is entirely inconsistent with your statement that "there are situations with a 'must'".
And now, welcome to my killfile. You have done yourself proud.
FDW
I will not go into these items and I will not discuss these items. What I
will do is, I will have a look at the function(s) you found that is not
working properly, and ( whether you like it or not ) I will fix the problem.
This may take some time due to the fact that I have to find/create a
situation that creates the problem ( as you did not give to me ) and then I
have to confirm if the solution provided by you ( thanks for that ) works as
intended. When this all is done I will let you know.
Frans
"ilias" <use...@abeon.com> wrote in message
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Mark Cooper
>>
> >>VO's a great tool, and I've been using it for a very long time. Just on
10 years, in fact.
>>
>> It's nice that you're happy with your tool.
>That too. <g>
<SNICKER>
Either he's dumb like a fox, or he really doesn't know how he is coming
across to this ng.
--
Mark L. Cooper
Columbus, Ohio USA
Gary Stark
Mark Cooper wrote:
> Gary,
>
> >>
> > >>VO's a great tool, and I've been using it for a very long time. Just on
> 10 years, in fact.
> >>
> >> It's nice that you're happy with your tool.
>
> >That too. <g>
>
> <SNICKER>
>
> Either he's dumb like a fox, or he really doesn't know how he is coming
> across to this ng.
>
I really don't know. Nor do I care anymore. He's just pissed me off because he
has such a poor attitude, and the end result is that there will probably be
times when I (and probably quite a few others here) could help him, but why
should we bother when he's such a nasty little piece of work.
It's one thing to criticise; it's something entirely different to be a complete
arsehole though.
Patrick Vletter (Prive)
I've been glad to insult you mildly on numerous occasion and you still
wanted to work for us as long as we paid, but now that I've found out that
you will give us your work for free AND let your other customers wait as
long as one acts like a total and utter arsehole I'm forced to change my
attitude......
So here we go:
The ComSDK Sucks big time, The FTC still crashes and it's your fault, Your
code is unreadable, unmaintable and badly documented, Your fat, Your ugly,
Your hairstyle sucks, You slurp when you drink your coffee, Your car is
awfull and I hate the style in which your wife picks up the phone if your
not at home...
Mondaymorning 9 AM at our office?
Patrick
"FDW" <fdewit_...@planet.nl> wrote in message
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FDW
What can I say, thanks for the compliments ;-) where are you ? ( I am at
your office ).
Frans.
P.s. When a bug/problem/challenge is found in my software I always will fix
it, if I will share the fix with this person has to be decided yet ;-)
"Patrick Vletter (Prive)"
<patrick._rem1o2...@n1o2s3p4a5m.xs4all.nl> wrote in message
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Patrick Vletter (Prive)
> What can I say, thanks for the compliments ;-) where are you ? ( I am at
> your office ).
I'm now sitting behing my desk at the office (no joke), so you must be lying
again like you did when you said COMSDK would also be working with a greek
characterset.
> P.s. When a bug/problem/challenge is found in my software I always will
fix
> it, if I will share the fix with this person has to be decided yet ;-)
Now you're sounding mentally healthy again. After your last post I thought
you had gone bezerk...
CU
Patrick
Mark Cooper
>
> I really don't know. Nor do I care anymore. He's just pissed me off
because he
> has such a poor attitude, and the end result is that there will probably
be
> times when I (and probably quite a few others here) could help him, but
why
> should we bother when he's such a nasty little piece of work.
>
> It's one thing to criticise; it's something entirely different to be a
complete
> arsehole though.
>
Agreed 100%!
I come to this ng for help and education. We have interesting asides here
and there, but 99.5% of the time I'm looking for help on a very specific
topic or I'm trying to learn VO/bBrowser/RP in general.
I try to help where I can, but some of you guys are so quick on the keyboard
my response ends up being 3rd or 4th in line.
ilias
<3052...@RedbacksWeb.com> wrote:
>Ilias,
>
>ilias wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 13:29:22 +1000, Gary Stark
>> <3052...@RedbacksWeb.com> wrote:
>>
>> >ilias wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:17:26 +1000, Gary Stark
>> >> <3052...@RedbacksWeb.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Ilias,
>> >> [ilias is unable to copy the answer manually into context]
>> >
>> >Why am I not surprised ? :)
>>
>> Cause *you* write the answer out of context...
>
>Actually, no. You were the only one who has moved the context.
[ilias is unable to copy the answer [which Gary Stark wrote in an
ungentle way out of context [to ilias original post]] manually into
context]
>> >> >Perhaps, because you are so disatisfied with the product, you
should
>> >> >ask Ed for a full refund of every single
>> >> >Euro that you've paid for this product.
>> >>
>> >> i am not dissatisfied with the product.
>> >
>> >You have expressed extreme dissatisfaction with both the product
>>
>> "extreme dissatisfaction" => faulty interpretation
>
>The only things faulty here are your ignorance and your attitude.
I feel there's more.
>> Please reread.
>
>I can do better than that.
Feel free.
>Do you know what a killfile is? You're in it!
Of course. My second home.
>> >, and with how you believe that Ed and Frans are managing it.
>>
>> I'm sad, that they don't realize their fault.
>
>Neither Ed nor Frans are without fault; they know that.
fine.
>You, too, are not without fault.
Of course not.
>The sad part is that you're too damn arrogant to understand and
accept
>that simple fact of life.
False fact...
>That's your loss though. Your's and your's alone.
...conclusion irrelevant.
>> "criticism" => my right (even for a free product)
>>
>> Everyone is free to ignore it.
>
>Everyone is also free to ignore you.
of course.
>I suspect that many already are, and, like me, many more will be
joining
>this ever growing list.
Feel free.
I'm not interested in 'Mass-Markets'
>> >> >The bottom line is really very simple: Ed and Frans have
donated a
>> >> >considerable amount of time to developing
>> >> >a tool that the community can benefit from. The tool may - or
may not -
>> >> >be suitable for your needs. That is a
>> >> >decision that only you can make.
>> >>
>> >> obvious.
>> >
>> >So ... ???
>>
>> I don't talk about me.
>
>More's the pity. You need to take a mirror and hold it up to yourself
with
>some honesty and integrity, rather than an attitude of arrogance and
>denial. Try pretending you're an adult for a change, instead of a
petulant >little 8 year old whose big brother won't let her ride his
bicycle.
___________________________________________________________________________
Teacher, please take this mirror
>> >> >But unless and until you compensate Ed and Frans for their
efforts, you
>> >> > have little, if any, right to offend
>> >> >them
>> >>
>> >> wrong: even if i compensate them, i have no right to offend
them.
>> >
>> >Finally!
>> >
>> >You have said something that is reasonable and correct.
>> >Given your point of view here, why did you then go and
>> >offend them ?
>>
>> "offend" => faulty interpretation.
>>
>> Please reread.
>
>No. You should re-write your messages, so that there can be no
>interpretation that offense was intended.
No need.
>> >> > - and their efforts given freely and from the heart - in the
way
>> >> >that I believe that you have. Rather
>> >> >than compensate, you have done little but offend and belittle
them.
>> >>
>> >> "offend" "belittle" => faulty interpretation.
>> >
>> >Er, no.
>> >
>> >I interpreted your statements in this manner, as did both Ed and
Frans.
>> >And Geoff ... Mark ... and quite a few
>> >others, I might add.
>>
>> "offend" "belittle" => faulty interpretation.
>>
>> Please reread.
>
>Please reread ... please reread ... please reread ...
>
>Turn off the bloody faulty recording, you parrot!
Sounds like an offensive insult.
>> >I'm happy to accept that because English is not your native
language, you
>> >may not have meant what you actually
>> >said, but as Mark has pointed out, you continue to persist with
your attitude
>> >that is demanding things from Frans
>> >and Ed, but is giving them little recognition for the simple fact
that they
>> >have other priorities.
>>
>> I don't continue to 'demand'.
>
>Good
You quote incomplete.
That's not friendly against me, current and future readers
Full context:
"
I've finished conversation with:
"Thank you for your answers."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=35a10d4c.03060...@posting.google.com
"
>> >You are, as I've said, free to disagree with their priorities, but
that in
>> >no way means that your priorities are of greater significance than
theirs.
>>
>> I don't talk about my priorities.
>>
>> Please reread. ["...thus other users...."]
>
>There's that bloody parrot again!
Sounds like an offensive insult again.
>> >> >If you don't like the tool, fine. Don't use it.
>> >>
>> >> I like it, cause i must.
>> >
>> >I don't think so.
>> >
>> >Who is holding a gun to your head telling you to use this tool?
There are
>> >lots of other tools available for your
>> >use. VB, C#, Delphi ...
>> >
>> >Noone has forced you to use VO, so please, don't come crying here
saying that
>> >you must use it. It's a choice. Always has been, always will be.
>>
>> Although this is not the main topic:
>>
>> show a little imagination to realize that there are situations with
a
>> 'must'.
>>
>
>You have no concept whatsoever of the capabilities of my imagination,
so please
>do not even begin to go there. Further, for you to even suggest
>that "there are situations with a must" are, prima facie, a clear
sign of your
>lack of imagination as well as your lack of a thorough
>understanding of the software development process and the various
environments
>under which that process may be undertaken.
>
>Methinks it's time you went back to school.
Maybe to learn about "Project requirements / constraints"?
>> >VO's a great tool, and I've been using it for a very long time.
Just on 10
>> >years, in fact.
>>
>> It's nice that you're happy with your tool.
>
>That too. <g>
ok
>> >Over that time, the one glaring fact that I've obesrved is that
those who
>> >complain the loudest about things not
>> >working within VO or its toolset are those who are the least
competent in VO
>> >usage.
>>
>> VO=> Nothing special.
>>
>> Another OO language.
>>
>> With nice things, others don't have.
>>
>> Without nice things, others have.
>
>Yes, none of this is incorrect.
>
>Which is entirely inconsistent with your statement that "there are
situations >with a 'must'".
Full consistence.
>And now, welcome to my killfile. You have done yourself proud.
Thank you for your time.
ilias
wrote:
>Ilias,
>
>I will not go into these items and I will not discuss these items.
I've realized this.
Why don't you delete thoses items (in your post) you are not refering
too?
>What I
>will do is, I will have a look at the function(s) you found that is not
>working properly, and ( whether you like it or not ) I will fix the problem.
Why should i don't like it?
Anyway, the problem is already fixed.
>This may take some time due to the fact that I have to find/create a
>situation that creates the problem ( as you did not give to me )
Read the description. Parameter BSTR* as [in,out]
>and then I
>have to confirm if the solution provided by you ( thanks for that ) works as
>intended.
You don't have to. simply look at the code.
2 calls to "WideCharToMultiByte"
1st call: you retrieve the size of the BSTR with a correct parameter.
PSZ(_CAST,LONG(pstruWinVariantArg.uVariant.plVal))
After that you convert the BSTR with a wrong parameter.
PSZ(pstruWinVariantArg.uVariant.pbstrVal)
>When this all is done I will let you know.
Take your time.
ilias
wrote:
>Ilias,
I'm sorry.
Public newsgroup.
I will stay.
>
FDW
Even when I try ( and I an trying very hard ) to be polite, you seem to
.....
Frans
Any way this was my last saying on this item.
"ilias" <use...@abeon.com> wrote in message
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Malcolm Gray
> On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 22:00:52 +0100, "Malcolm Gray"
> <malcol...@jobstream.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >[As I am reading at home I saw this posting and decided
> >it was possibly worth replying (I don't see them
> >at work as he is a blocked sender)]
>
> Who makes such terrible things?
>
> Deciding what your eyes read?
Well I admin the newsserver and news client at work...
The thread was getting too distracting.
(most newsreaders have a block sender option
and mine has about 20 people on it)
ilias
wrote:
>Ilias,
>
>Even when I try ( and I an trying very hard ) to be polite, you seem to
>.....
>
>Frans
>
>Any way this was my last saying on this item.
And of course your last saying was again out-of-context.
And you don't delete the text you're not refering to.
I really don't understand this.
ilias
<malcol...@jobstream.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"ilias" <use...@abeon.com> wrote in message
>news:bbtoou$ro$1...@newsreader.mailgate.org...
>> On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 22:00:52 +0100, "Malcolm Gray"
>> <malcol...@jobstream.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >[As I am reading at home I saw this posting and decided
>> >it was possibly worth replying (I don't see them
>> >at work as he is a blocked sender)]
>>
>> Who makes such terrible things?
>>
>> Deciding what your eyes read?
>
>Well I admin the newsserver and news client at work...
>The thread was getting too distracting.
yes, very distracting those permanent off-topic-posts.
>(most newsreaders have a block sender option
>and mine has about 20 people on it)
the so called "killfile".
but if you block all the people which have blown up this thread, you
will not receive the in-topic things they write.
"ignore thread" is a possibility, too.
anyway, you can do it as you prefere of course.
>
Phil McGuinness
your coffee, Your car is awfull... ]
We already knew this in the group... please add new and updated information
please... <G>
... and when will the greek character set version be ready....??
Phil McGuinness - Sherlock Software
------
"Patrick Vletter (Prive)"
<patrick._rem1o2...@n1o2s3p4a5m.xs4all.nl> wrote in message
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> Gee Frans,
> So here we go:
Patrick Vletter (Prive)
> I really don't understand this.
If your manners where only 10% of your capability to understand COMSDK you
would probably have already found yourself a fixed version (including the
DevCon updates) in your mailbox. I've known Frans for a couple years now and
he is the first one to help out if he can. And he is not expecting money or
whatsoever in return. Just simple courtesy.
Life is so simple...
Patrick
Igor Kaliniak
>
> Any way this was my last saying on this item.
Anyway you deserved monthly award.
For patience...
--
Igor
ilias
<patrick._rem1o2...@n1o2s3p4a5m.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>Ilias,
>> I really don't understand this.
>There seems to be a lot that you don't understand...
or course.
still learning.
>If your manners where only 10% of your capability to understand COMSDK you
>would probably have already found yourself a fixed version (including the
>DevCon updates) in your mailbox.
Same conditions for all.
I would refuse it anyway, if it is not publically available.
Malcolm Gray
>> If your manners where only 10% of your capability to
>> understand COMSDK you would probably have already found
>> yourself a fixed version (including the DevCon updates) in
>> your mailbox.
>
> Same conditions for all.
>
> I would refuse it anyway, if it is not publically available.
The think I don't understand is of the two options that seem to
actually be available would you prefer
COMSDK as it is
COMSDK not to be available at all
ilias
This, for now.
I've done my best, to inform new users from another point of view:
http://www.abeon.com/usenet/comp/lang/clipper/visual-objects/comsdk.html
I would like to provide a pointer to a download location of an actual
version / patch / examples directory.
But i must stop here doing work that GrafX should do.
I continue work.
Geoff Schaller
Please go away.
"ilias" <use...@abeon.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 02:15:26 GMT, "Geoff Schaller"
> <ge...@softwareREMobjectives.com.au> wrote:
>
> >Ilias,
> >
> >> You will not invest a few hours, to serve the current/future of
> >> VO/COMSDK users with this stuff.
> >
> >Now you are being insulting.
>
> This is a truth, not an insult.
>
> See the sentence in his context.
>
> >You haven't listened to a word Ed said.
>
> "Listening"
> "Reading"
> "Quoting"
> "Answering in context"
>
> >Please demonstrate an equivalent amount of commitment to VO that Frans
and
> >Ed have shown us and I will concede you the right to such statements.
>
> I'm sorry, i have the right to such statements.
>
> No demonstration neccessary.
>
> What you concede to me is irrelevant.
>
> >
> >Geoff
> >
> >
>
ilias
<ge...@softwareREMobjectives.com.au> wrote:
>...and so you continue with insulting behaviour.
>Please go away.
again, there is no insult.
only a faulty interpretation.
Geoff Schaller
(...actually, my 'only' language <g>)
If you genuinely believe the problem to be our interpretation of your
remarks then it is time you sought advice on how to compile them. Let me
give you one very good example:
> only a faulty interpretation.
You see? This is insulting. You are implying that my understanding of your
use of the English language is wrong - bad, even. You could have said:
"You misinterpretted me" ...or
"That is not what I meant..." ...or
"What I was trying to say was..."
Instead you imply that it is my understanding that was incorrect and not
possibly the way the words were constructed by you. Can you accept this or
am I still wrong?
Geoff
"ilias" <use...@abeon.com> wrote in message
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ilias
there is no insult.
only a faulty interpretation.
-
off-topic-overload.
discussion aborted.