Clarion for Linux
Stephen Fulton
> Whatever happened to Clarion for Linux.
>
> I vaguely remember a discussion chain, but that's about it.
>
> Sim
DISCUSSIONS ON COMP.LANG.CLARION
4th Feb 1999
Ben E. Brady urged everyone to lobby Topspeed for a Linux version.
5th Feb 1999
Giancarlo J. Snatos urged people to vote for it in some survey on the web
LOTS of discussion ensued.
The best response was the one from Steven Sitas which I may annoy a few
people by reposting here.
(See end)
Basically most of us would prefer that Topspeed spent its limited resources
on improving the Windows version, rather than rewrite it for another
platform. There are a lot of improvements (see other threads for a list)
that are needed soon if Topspeed is to stay a market leader. We don't want
them to get distracted into Linux.
OPEN LINUX FOR TOPSPEED
There is a project called Open Linux Project for Topspeed at
http://www.schofieldcomputer.com/open_linux_for_topspeed.shtml
According to the website nothing has happened since 11 Nov 1999.
In theory it has 20 members.
There is meant to be a news server at news.schofieldcomputer.com
with a username of topspeed and a password of 4linux
I can't get it to connect.
I suggest you email rsch...@hfx.andara.com for further details.
He was involved in a car accident recently and may not be back at work yet.
PARTIAL SOLUTIONS
1. When Topspeed produces a java writing Clarion, which will produce
programs which will run on any operating system e.g. Linux
2. http://www.willows.com will allow you to run Windows programs on Linux
3. Corel Linux will allow you to run Windows programs. It is also probably
the best distribution around in my opinion.
See http://www.corel.com/news/2000/january/january_6_2000.htm for details
4. There are other Windows emulators e.g. Wine at http://winehq.com which
some people e.g. Dave Harms have run some CW apps on
5. Clarion 5.5 writes html code which obviously can be used on Linux
SOMETHING YOU SHOULD KNOW
See point 3 above. Corel Linux will run Windows programs.
Corel take over Inprise/Borland recently.
http://www.corel.com/news/2000/february/february_7_2000.htm
Corel "Will Provide Customers with Linux Operating System, Applications and
Developer Tools"
(That's a direct quote from the website)
Corel now own Delphi and have the resources to develop it for Linux and
probably will.
Stephen Fulton.
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Hi all,
I can see all the votes for Linux.
But lets see things the other way around.
(A) What are we getting if Tospeed "tries" to port to Linux !!!
FREE Clarion for LINUX? OfCourse NOT
FREE Operating System for our users? Windows is NO BIG Cost for a
system this days (60-80$ on an OEM basis)
USER demand LINUX? OFCourse NOT. About 95% of my users demand Windows
(the other 5% are for MAC)
BETTER SUPPORT for our Users ? You must be kidding
(B) What will we loose
Topspeed HAS limited resources. We all see it.
We need BETTER ODBC
We need BETTER OLE/OCX support
We need a new 32bit IDE
We wiill need NEWER and more Compatible Compilers/Linkers in the long
run
We need a more COMPLETE ABC
We need a BETTER ReportWriter
We need Topspeed to IMPROVE in the Quality of its internal
debugging/testing
and so on ..................
IF Topspeed "tried" to do a port, under todays limited resources, it
would be a disaster (like the early CFD 3x).
What Topspeed could do, is think of a way to use its Template
technology with a more robust ABC library to produce a KILLER JAVA
IDE. That would be a solution for developers who would like a Clarion
port to Linux.
Ofcourse if I am wrong about the above (specially about limited
resources) I would vote for a Liniux port also !!!
Steven Sitas
Peter Hermansen
customer whos Novell server broke down. As a quick - and maybe temporary -
solution we put in a 486 machine with Linux and Samba (NT-emulator) and
moved the app there. It worked!
Peter
George Riddell
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> Corel now own Delphi and have the resources to develop it for Linux and
> probably will.
Resources have been burned.
Delphi has been heading to Linux for at least 6 months.
It will be good for us<g>.
We will have a new set of tools.
George.