Softvelocity's Future
Peter Halbert
I cannot find anything on their website about future plans,
development cycles, deliverables, goals or ambitions. (well nothing
that is real anyway...)
Is there a CEO with a vision that will drive the company? If so, then
please tell me your story before I port everything to MS. I have heard
about new templates, 32 bit IDE and compiler and a host of other
rubbish. Please just tell me the priorities and the order of
deliverables, and I might stay. But if your priority is the wizatron
then I must go.
If you have no respect for my business or my goals, then how can I
continue to invest in your business?
I want to see a questionnaire on the front page of your website within
a week that ask all developers of there preferences and priorities,
and I want to see the result in percentages. Some thing like this
1. What's more important to you
32 bit application IDE
16 bit application IDE
32 application IDE with separate command line/dde compiler
Dont Care
2. How important are the wizatrons to you right now
Very important
Important
Not important
3. How important is the data dictionary import feature
Very important
Important
Not important
4. How important is the compiler/application speed
Very important
Important
Not important
5. Do you think the application speed since 5 is
Dismal
Very Dismal
Incredibly dismal
Tediously dismal and virtually useless
I too brain dead now to answer
I would expect at least 50 well thought out questions would be
appropirate. At least then the users of your products will know that
you are aware or our issues and priorities. I also believe the
questionnaire should be followed up with a development priority goal
being set.
REMEMBER THIS - WE ARE YOUR SHARE HOLDERS AND YOUR FUTURE
Peter Halbert
Managing Director
E-Comm Marketing Pty Ltd
www.e-comm.com.au
John (Silverghost)
Although I totally agree with you.
I will be very surprised if they even reply to you
Good luck with VB
I'm thinking of going with Windev
John
Dennis E. Evans
"Peter Halbert" <phal...@e-comm.com.au> wrote in message
> Does anybody know if SoftVelocity are in for the long hall.
The survey was done some time ago, results were around for a while.
Anyway, best advice I can give is to set a reasonable date from now and wait
and see. If they deliver by that date great, if not move to another tool.
1 May will be 2 years, I have a date and some requiems for 6, hopefully both
will be forgotten when version 6 arrives and makes my computer standup and
sing. If 6 is not here or does not meet those goals, mine, there are
several other development tools available, start studying now.
Dennis
Earl R. Coker
All I have seen or "heard" here on the newsgroup is that C5.6 is coming out
"soon". I have no idea when "soon" is. It was discovered (somehow) that SV
is APPARENTLY making a new web site with promotional material in it about
what looks to be some pretty exciting "new" stuff which will (apparently) be
implemented in C5.6. This is all I know about it and what I am putting in
this msg is "STRICTLY" heresay.
As far as a CEO of the company that will drive the company... I would say
yes. It just seems to be taking a long time for them to get there. <g> As
far as Wizatrons go, I think they are way down on their priority list but
are still being "supported" but not enhanced.
It's also my humble opinion that one can do one helluvalot with CW right now
especially with all of the 3rd party tools that are available. As a matter
of fact, if it were not for the template system and the IDE and CW, I would
not be doing ANY software development work at all. I would find something
else to fill my days. Why, because I don't like to write "line-by-line"
code for an entire sophisticated application all that well. <G>
FWIW
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Earl R Coker
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www.kwiksystems.com
"Peter Halbert" <phal...@e-comm.com.au> wrote in message
news:b65e69a3.02020...@posting.google.com...
David Troxell - Encourager Software
One indication that there are continued development plans is to look at
the commercial add-on market. It has never been healthier and is
growing.
Clarion Third Party Profile Exchange
http://www.encouragersoftware.com/profile/clarlinks.html
At least 70 vendors with over 250 products.
Quite a few success stories from Clarion Developers using the Clarion
flagship development product to produce very successful commercial
products - For example,
Product Description - SetupBuilder (Standard Edition),
MFG - Linder Software
Internet Link - http://www.lindersoftware.com/lspsfx10.htm
Recently another major Setup Tool company tried to buy this product and
development team
David
In article <b65e69a3.02020...@posting.google.com>,
phal...@e-comm.com.au says...
> Does anybody know if SoftVelocity are in for the long hall.
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Email - mailto:Dav...@encouragersoftware.com
Profile Exchanges - Home Theater, Search Engines, Newsgroup and Email
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Mark Vincellette
empathize with some of your comments, I come back to the same question
everytime I begin a new project. Can VB (or anything else) get this
project done faster or better than Clarion? If it's a
business-related project, the answer is always "no".
If it's the best tool for the job, from a pure self-serving
perspective, it just makes sense to use it. MS has never come up with
anything approaching the Browse/Form paradigm. I'd prefer spending my
time working on business logic rather than the arcane syntax of an MS
Grid control. And Collections vs. Queues -- no comparison. Reporting
could be better, but VB doesn't have any at all.
If Clarion goes away someday, I'll make due. Until then, it's still
the best thing on the market.
Mark
dave bell
In my company we get more done using clarion with two programmers than
with any other software product that i know
dave bell
"Earl R. Coker" <k...@muscanet.com> wrote in message news:<u67s6pg...@corp.supernews.com>...
Rich Knoch
I've been developing in Clarion since they moved into Windoze. It
certainly has its' gotcha's but when you get everything plumbed in it
produces a rock solid app, with no GPF's or other nasty bugs which
seem to creep into MS products by osmosis. It's also very light on
CPU clock cycles, which is the first and basic reason I started using
Clarion. VB's a hog on clock cycles.
I've lost many hours moving from one version (1.x to 5.0b) due to
glitches induced in version upgrades, but still feel this is the best
tool on the market for both productivity and rock-solid applications.
It would really be nice to see a 32-bit IDE and other necessary
enhancements, but, I, for one am pleased that SoftVelocity hasn't
replicated the heavy handed moves which MicroSoft puts on its
developer community - and hope they don't, in the future. Templates
are fantastic - they just simply work ..... and don't hog clock cycles
like OCX's, etc.
Dennis E. Evans
"Earl R. Coker" <k...@muscanet.com> wrote in message
> Why, because I don't like to write "line-by-line"
> code for an entire sophisticated application all that well. <G>
None of the other systems require you to write line by line. While
they may not have templates the system will have some type of code generator
and just as many if not more 3rd party tools. Are they as productive as
Clarion, well that would depend on several things, experience, additional
tools, training and a couple of others.
People often claim Clarion is x times faster and better, but there are
several thousand programmers, companies and IT shops using other tools,
despite popular opinion not all of them are idiots, actually a couple are
fairly bright.
Clarion is a good tool and a great language, but it is the year 2002.
Dennis
Ron Schofield
Peter Halbert wrote:
> Does anybody know if SoftVelocity are in for the long hall.
>
Does anybody know that of any company. If a company with 36 billion in
assets can declare bankruptcy...
>
> I cannot find anything on their website about future plans,
> development cycles, deliverables, goals or ambitions. (well nothing
> that is real anyway...)
>
Some companies don't. I can't get to your web site so I can't tell if you
have all that information on your company for your customers.
>
> Is there a CEO with a vision that will drive the company? If so, then
> please tell me your story before I port everything to MS. I have heard
> about new templates, 32 bit IDE and compiler and a host of other
> rubbish. Please just tell me the priorities and the order of
> deliverables, and I might stay. But if your priority is the wizatron
> then I must go.
>
The current management is really good and has the vision to see
SoftVelocity into the future.
>
> If you have no respect for my business or my goals, then how can I
> continue to invest in your business?
>
They cannot just meet your goals, they have to focus on what the majority
of customers. Talking to the SV management, I can tell that they know
where to focus and will get there.
I rather have a company that stays quiet, focuses on their product and
then releases it, rather than a company who promises the moon and then
can't deliver.
>
> REMEMBER THIS - WE ARE YOUR SHARE HOLDERS AND YOUR FUTURE
>
SoftVelocity is a privately owned company. Yes you are a customer. If you
don't like what you see, go elsewhere. With my background and Clarion, I
have gotten to the point where I am. I have so much Clarion programming
work that I have turned down any other jobs coming my way. I have tried
all the other development tools and nothing has been able to drag me away
from Clarion. I still do 75% of my work in Clarion 4, so 5 and 5.5 can't
be that bad <g>. Nothing in Clarion is stopping me in providing my clients
with software that does what they need. Isn't that what it is all about.
Meeting your customers needs? Clarion has met my needs in the past and
will most likely do so in the future.
Ron Schofield
"John (Silverghost)" wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> Although I totally agree with you.
> I will be very surprised if they even reply to you
> Good luck with VB
> I'm thinking of going with Windev
> John
>
John,
Good luck to you. I looked at WinDev and was less than impressed. For many
reasons. It's a "toy" programming environment. You can't even make native
compiled exe's and the creation of DLLs that can be used by other
development tools is out of the question. The loss of dynamically created
screen controls would kill me. Also the lack of screen pictures the ability
of changing them at runtime would leave me banging my head against the wall.
Also, you better start taking french classes.
I will be sticking with Clarion. I was once very vocal of TopSpeed, but
have been much less so with SV. It's in better hands now and I will wait to
see what develops. In the mean time, I continue to make lots of money with
Clarion and with the free time it's productivity gives me, I keep learning
and working with the template language which is the true success of Clarion.
Ron
Al Randall
Just curious as I have no opinion one way or the other but what have you
seen about SV that you like better than TS?
Al
Ron Schofield
The results out of SV are much better than with TS. Also when needed I can
actually talk to SV's management and they will also converse with me through
email. That never happened with TS. I even had the opportunity to plead my case
for an additional embed point that I needed with my custom templates that I
demonstrated could also benefit other template developers and they added it to
the existing template chains. I would say that was listening to your customers. I
have even done my own testing and found that the compiled executables are now
running test applications as fast as they ever did for CW. I posted the code and
the results a while back. With TS I was always "on the edge" with my loyalty
of Clarion. Now with the new management, I am confident that Clarion will be
around for a while. I will continue to be patient and wait to see what 5.6 and 6
provides. In the mean while I will continue to make money from Clarion and I
spend my time learning and working with the template language to make me more
productive instead of complaining.
Jay Guengerich
SoftVelocity directly instead of posting to a public newsgroup. Why settle
for rumors and opinions when you can ask directly?
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Jay Guengerich
Reliable Development Corp.
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