comp lang c moderated ?

[Thiago Adams]

Maybe some people don't read Rick topics so I will copy here.

This was my answer was to Rick C. Hodgin:

"Because of your spam I will try to read and participate
only in comp.lang.c.moderated. I hope to find everyone there,
including your on topic questions Rick.

And here comp.lang.c I will not answer/help you in any
questions unless you stop the spam.

I suggest everyone to do the same. Ignore Rick C. Hodgin even
in on-topic questions.
(This maybe be temporary, depends on Rick)
And let's use comp lang c moderated. Why not? "
"

Does anyone has some preference for comp lang c instead of
comp lang c moderated?

I hope to find you all there.

I like comp lang c , except for the Rick spam.

[Ben Bacarisse]

Thiago Adams <thiago...@gmail.com> writes:

> Maybe some people don't read Rick topics so I will copy here.
>
> This was my answer was to Rick C. Hodgin:
>
> "Because of your spam I will try to read and participate
> only in comp.lang.c.moderated.

Last post was April 2014 as far as I can see. I suspect there are no
moderators anymore. I am happy to volunteer but I have no idea how it's
done.

> I hope to find everyone there,
> including your on topic questions Rick.
>
> And here comp.lang.c I will not answer/help you in any
> questions unless you stop the spam.

That's an odd strategy. Rick will continue to spam comp.lang.c and will
still be able to get questions answered by posting to c.l.c.moderated.
That will not discourage the spam.

> I suggest everyone to do the same. Ignore Rick C. Hodgin even
> in on-topic questions.

Everywhere in every group or there will be no cost for spamming.

--
Ben.

[David Brown]

comp.lang.c.moderated has been dead for about 3 or 4 years, as far as I
can see. I don't think there are any active moderators.

Trying to run from unwanted posters (trolls, spammers, whatever) is a
lost cause. If you hide out in moderated groups, you might avoid them -
but you will also avoid most posts from other people.

The best you can do is ignore the spammers (or at least their off-topic
posts), as well as people who post little except provocation and trolls.

If you get yourself a proper newsreader client and newserver, rather
than the hopeless Google Groups interface, then it will be a simple
matter to filter out posts by people you dislike - including any replies
to said posts. If you allow people to chase you out of a newsgroup with
their posting habits, it is /your/ fault for failing to use simple
filtering systems. (It is their fault too, of course, but there is
nothing that can be done to stop them - /you/ can choose to fix your
problem or to hide from it.)

[Keith Thompson]

Thiago Adams <thiago...@gmail.com> writes:
> Maybe some people don't read Rick topics so I will copy here.
>
> This was my answer was to Rick C. Hodgin:
>
> "Because of your spam I will try to read and participate
> only in comp.lang.c.moderated. I hope to find everyone there,
> including your on topic questions Rick.
>
> And here comp.lang.c I will not answer/help you in any
> questions unless you stop the spam.
>
> I suggest everyone to do the same. Ignore Rick C. Hodgin even
> in on-topic questions.

A lot of us already do that. I don't see anything he posts unless
someone else quotes it.

I see you're using the Google Groups interface, which as far as I know
doesn't provide a killfile feature. If you use a real newsreader, you
can filter out posts by poster or by subject. eternal-september.org is
a good free NNTP server. Mozilla Thunderbird is a popular newsreader.
(I use Gnus under Emacs. If you don't like Emacs you won't like Gnus.)

> (This maybe be temporary, depends on Rick)
> And let's use comp lang c moderated. Why not? "
> "

Because it's inactive. Posts require moderator approval, and as far as
I can tell the moderator (Peter "Seebs" Seebach IIRC) hasn't approved
anything since 2014. Reviving the group would require either getting
Seebs to become active again or getting a new moderator (I'm not sure
what the procedure is for that). As far as I know nobody has expressed
interest in taking over.

comp.lang.c.moderated, when it was active, was less noisy than
comp.lang.c, but with a well tuned killfile or equivalent comp.lang.c
isn't too bad.

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks...@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

[Barry Schwarz]

On Fri, 5 Jan 2018 09:12:59 -0800 (PST), Thiago Adams
<thiago...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Maybe some people don't read Rick topics so I will copy here.

Why don't you just add him to your kill-file.

If you would stop responding to his off topic posts, those of us who
have him kill-filed wouldn't see any of it.

If you keep responding to his off-topic posts, many of us will
kill-file you too.

--
Remove del for email

[Dan Cross]

In article <lnshbk9...@kst-u.example.com>,
Keith Thompson <ks...@mib.org> wrote:
>Thiago Adams <thiago...@gmail.com> writes:
>> [...]

>> (This maybe be temporary, depends on Rick)
>> And let's use comp lang c moderated. Why not? "
>> "
>
>Because it's inactive. Posts require moderator approval, and as far as
>I can tell the moderator (Peter "Seebs" Seebach IIRC) hasn't approved
>anything since 2014. Reviving the group would require either getting
>Seebs to become active again or getting a new moderator (I'm not sure
>what the procedure is for that). As far as I know nobody has expressed
>interest in taking over.

I'd be willing to help with moderation.

>comp.lang.c.moderated, when it was active, was less noisy than
>comp.lang.c, but with a well tuned killfile or equivalent comp.lang.c
>isn't too bad.

Having a moderated option for mostly technical posts seems like a
good idea, regardless. Particularly if some modicum of enforcement
of technical soundness can be added.

- Dan C.

[James R. Kuyper]

On 01/05/2018 12:31 PM, David Brown wrote:
...

> If you get yourself a proper newsreader client and newserver, rather
> than the hopeless Google Groups interface, then it will be a simple
> matter to filter out posts by people you dislike - including any replies
> to said posts.

I use Mozilla Thunderbird. I've set up my "Trolls" filter to
1. Ignore Subthread
2. Delete Message

The deletion works fine, but I've seen no indication that the "Ignore
Subthread" action is having any effect. Is anyone else having more
success using that feature than I have?

A thought that just occurred to me: does it require that the message not
be deleted, in order to determine which sub-threads should be ignored?
I'll test by changing it to only mark the message as already read.

[Thiago Adams]

On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 3:39:12 PM UTC-2, James R. Kuyper wrote:
> On 01/05/2018 12:31 PM, David Brown wrote:
> ...
> > If you get yourself a proper newsreader client and newserver, rather
> > than the hopeless Google Groups interface, then it will be a simple
> > matter to filter out posts by people you dislike - including any replies
> > to said posts.
>
> I use Mozilla Thunderbird. I've set up my "Trolls" filter to
> 1. Ignore Subthread
> 2. Delete Message

I prefer google groups interface and search.
But I think I will have to use Thunderbird again.

[Keith Thompson]

Keith Thompson <ks...@mib.org> writes:
[...]

> Because it's inactive. Posts require moderator approval, and as far as
> I can tell the moderator (Peter "Seebs" Seebach IIRC) hasn't approved
> anything since 2014. Reviving the group would require either getting
> Seebs to become active again or getting a new moderator (I'm not sure
> what the procedure is for that). As far as I know nobody has expressed
> interest in taking over.

I've just contacted Seebs by email and gotten a response. There are
possibilities. I've suggested that he post on this thread, so I'll let
him speak for himself.

[Real Troll]

On 05/01/2018 17:12, Thiago Adams wrote:
>
> "Because of your spam I will try to read and participate
> only in comp.lang.c.moderated. I hope to find everyone there,
> including your on topic questions Rick.
>
>

This topic seems to be here almost every month but not a single idiot
has managed to do anything about it. Either go to your moderated NG or
simply shut up and stop spamming these newsgroups with stupid posts like
yours. Take Richard with you to give you a company because that place
is likely to be very lonely place to live.

I have not seen any posts from Rick for months now. Am I doing
something right and you are not? Probably.

[Real Troll]

On 05/01/2018 17:35, Barry Schwarz wrote:
> If you keep responding to his off-topic posts, many of us will
> kill-file you too.

I have already done so!!!!!!!!!!

[Seebs]

On 2018-01-05, Keith Thompson <ks...@mib.org> wrote:
> Keith Thompson <ks...@mib.org> writes:
> [...]
>> Because it's inactive. Posts require moderator approval, and as far as
>> I can tell the moderator (Peter "Seebs" Seebach IIRC) hasn't approved
>> anything since 2014. Reviving the group would require either getting
>> Seebs to become active again or getting a new moderator (I'm not sure
>> what the procedure is for that). As far as I know nobody has expressed
>> interest in taking over.
>
> I've just contacted Seebs by email and gotten a response. There are
> possibilities. I've suggested that he post on this thread, so I'll let
> him speak for himself.

Long story short: I had technical issues and/or spoon shortage and was
not keeping up, and basically I forgot that this had been a thing. I do
have working usenet now, but I don't know that the moderation address
is set up. It probably could be, but Everything Is Happening At Once.

I'd be fine with handing the moderation off to other people, and if I
get some free time I could set up a thing, or more reasonably, someone
could set up any of the much-more-usable moderation software that
presumably exists these days (I think Jay from rastb5m did a very nice
package for this) somewhere else, and I'd give approval for transferring
control.

Sorry about falling down on the thing, Stuff Happened.

-s

[John Bode]

On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 11:13:10 AM UTC-6, Thiago Adams wrote:
> Maybe some people don't read Rick topics so I will copy here.
>

> [snip flounce threat]

Why?

You don't *have* to read Rick's posts. I use GG too, and it's possible to ignore him the
old-fashioned way.

Rick's witnessing is not the worst thing about comp.lang.c at the moment. The endless
bitching about Rick's witnessing is.

[Real Troll]

On 05/01/2018 18:33, Seebs wrote:
> I do
> have working usenet now, but I don't know that the moderation address
> is set up.

Very good idea. Just launch it and take Thiago, and Richard with you.

As to moderation, it is simple. Just create a sign in process for
people so that you can disable their account (and their email address)
should they post anything that you don't like. People get tired of
creating new email accounts just to post on a newsgroup so there is no
need for any other moderation process.

[Real Troll]

On 05/01/2018 18:48, John Bode wrote:
> Rick's witnessing is not the worst thing about comp.lang.c at the
> moment. The endless bitching about Rick's witnessing is.

I agree.

[David Brown]

The "delete message" won't work - you can't delete messages in a
newsgroup unless you made the post (and usually it doesn't work then
either). Perhaps this failure is causing the "ignore subthread" to fail
too?

I use:

1. Ignore subthread
2. Mark as read

It seems to work on the filters I have, for the automatic spam robots
that we saw here (and maybe others still see - I don't know because I
don't see the posts!). I haven't filtered out Rick - the posts are rare
enough that they are easy to jump over, and occasionally they can be
amusing in their ridiculousness. (Rick has said he does not read my
posts, so this doesn't count as provocation.)

[Real Troll]

On 05/01/2018 18:57, David Brown wrote:
>
> The "delete message" won't work - you can't delete messages in a
> newsgroup unless you made the post (and usually it doesn't work then
> either). Perhaps this failure is causing the "ignore subthread" to
> fail too?
>
>

You can delete any NG post from your own system. I have done it and I
don't see any of the Rick's or Ramine's posts. Rick is religious bigot
and Ramine is Morocco's Bomb maker and speacialist!!!!

You need to be using TB as I do.

[David Kleinecke]

As a Google groups user I say: Trolls are not much of
a real problem - provided there is also some real content.
One just ignores them. I ignore fir and all of Rick's
religious posts. Threads that don't interest me are more
of a problem - but I usually ignore them too. One doesn't
need a kill file to ignore things.

[James R. Kuyper]

On 01/05/2018 01:57 PM, David Brown wrote:
> On 05/01/18 18:39, James R. Kuyper wrote:

...

>> I use Mozilla Thunderbird. I've set up my "Trolls" filter to
>> 1. Ignore Subthread
>> 2. Delete Message
>>
>> The deletion works fine, but I've seen no indication that the "Ignore
>> Subthread" action is having any effect. Is anyone else having more
>> success using that feature than I have?
>>
>> A thought that just occurred to me: does it require that the message not
>> be deleted, in order to determine which sub-threads should be ignored?
>> I'll test by changing it to only mark the message as already read.

I started that test shortly after posting that message, which was 12:39
local time. It's now 14:38 local time. According to Google Groups,
during that time interval Real Troll has posted 5 messages to this
newsgroup, Rick C. Hodgins has posted 4, while Kenny McCormack,
supe...@casperkitty.com, and Thiago Adams have each posted 1. I don't
see any of those messages using Thunderbird, which means it's still
deleting them rather than merely marking them as unread. John Bode
posted a response to Thiago Adams' message, and I did see that response,
so it's still not implementing "Ignore subthread".

I find this confusing and frustrating.

> The "delete message" won't work - you can't delete messages in a
> newsgroup unless you made the post (and usually it doesn't work then
> either).

Thunderbird wouldn't provide the option if they didn't think it could
work. The reason it can work is that it doesn't delete the message from
Usenet (which would be impossible for messages that I'm not the author
of), but from Thunderbird's collection of downloaded messages on my own
system. That does work.

[James R. Kuyper]

On 01/05/2018 02:40 PM, James R. Kuyper wrote:
...

> see any of those messages using Thunderbird, which means it's still
> deleting them rather than merely marking them as unread.

That should have been "as read".

[jaybr...@gmail.com]

+1

He just posted something about his religious views. For once, will everyone agree simply to refrain from responding? Read the post if you like -- I scan them to get the gist, and there's nothing wrong with the number of views being >0. But I don't respond because I am a practitioner of another faith, and understand that witnessing and spreading the Good Word is part of many folks' practice of Christianity. I am sure that Rick would object to the verb "practice", but that's his prerogative.

j

[supe...@casperkitty.com]

On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 12:57:56 PM UTC-6, David Brown wrote:
> The "delete message" won't work - you can't delete messages in a
> newsgroup unless you made the post (and usually it doesn't work then
> either). Perhaps this failure is causing the "ignore subthread" to fail
> too?

Usenet supports a cancel-post function, where a cancel message which
contains the ID of a post and claims to be from that post's author
will request that machines holding that post delete it and do not
propagate it further. It also supports a supercedes function, which
behaves likewise except that it requests that the old message be
replaced by a new one, rather than simply removed. Because Usenet
was designed for use by trustworthy people, it has no mechanism to
ensure that posts are only deleted by their authors or other authorized
persons [if e.g. someone who isn't a group moderator forges an approval,
a real group moderator would be entitled to cancel the post].

Historically, there have been some people who set up bots to automatically
send out cancellations requests for posts from people they didn't like.
Because of such abuse, many systems started ignoring cancellations decades
ago, and I wouldn't be surprised if many still do. It shouldn't be hard
to add an authentication mechanism for posts that claim to be from Internet-
connected hosts, but if such a mechanism isn't used consistently it could
be used to amplify some kinds of denial of service attacks against targeted
hosts.

[Real Troll]

On 05/01/2018 19:40, James R. Kuyper wrote:
>
> I started that test shortly after posting that message, which was
> 12:39 local time. It's now 14:38 local time. According to Google
> Groups, during that time interval Real Troll has posted 5 messages to
> this newsgroup, Rick C. Hodgins has posted 4, while Kenny McCormack,
> supe...@casperkitty.com, and Thiago Adams have each posted 1. I don't
> see any of those messages using Thunderbird,
>
>

Perhaps you need your eye sight tested. Real Troll has always used
Thunderbird.

[David Brown]

I am using Thunderbird. You can't delete posts. You can only hide them
(of course, that's all you need to do).

[Linux User]

On 05/01/2018 21:52, David Brown wrote:
>
>
> I am using Thunderbird. You can't delete posts. You can only hide
> them (of course, that's all you need to do).
>

See this image:

<https://i.imgur.com/Bfj8eMh.png>

The image is self-explanatory.

[james...@verizon.net]

I didn't say anything about you using Thunderbird. I was talking about not seeing those message while I was using Thunderbird.

[James Kuyper]

So what is it that Thunderbird does when I select "Delete Message" when
setting up a message filter?

[Barry Schwarz]

It should delete the message from your system. It may send a delete
request to any Usenet servers you are connected to. But almost none
of them honor delete requests. Even if one did honor the request, the
message has already been sent to a multitude of servers. If even one
of those does not delete the message, then it remains accessible.

[bartc]

On 06/01/2018 14:50, Barry Schwarz wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 08:37:13 -0500, James Kuyper
> <james...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On 01/05/2018 04:52 PM, David Brown wrote:
>>> On 05/01/18 20:01, Real Troll wrote:
>>>> On 05/01/2018 18:57, David Brown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The "delete message" won't work - you can't delete messages in a
>>>>> newsgroup unless you made the post (and usually it doesn't work then
>>>>> either).  Perhaps this failure is causing the "ignore subthread" to
>>>>> fail too?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> You can delete any NG post from your own system.  I have done it and I
>>>> don't see any of the Rick's or Ramine's posts.  Rick is religious bigot
>>>> and Ramine is Morocco's Bomb maker and speacialist!!!!
>>>>
>>>> You need to be using TB as I do.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am using Thunderbird. You can't delete posts. You can only hide them
>>
>> So what is it that Thunderbird does when I select "Delete Message" when
>> setting up a message filter?
>
> It should delete the message from your system. It may send a delete
> request to any Usenet servers you are connected to.

Why?

When I say Delete message, I want it to delete the copy of it downloaded
to my machine so that it does not appear, and is not taking up space
either. I don't intend to delete all copies in existence across the
internet!

That would be for the message author, or administrators, to do. With a
different option.

--
bartc

[Manfred]

On 1/5/2018 6:39 PM, James R. Kuyper wrote:
> On 01/05/2018 12:31 PM, David Brown wrote:
>
> I use Mozilla Thunderbird. I've set up my "Trolls" filter to
> 1. Ignore Subthread
> 2. Delete Message
>
> The deletion works fine, but I've seen no indication that the "Ignore
> Subthread" action is having any effect. Is anyone else having more
> success using that feature than I have?
>

(Thunderbird here too, it works great IMO)
I use the same settings as you do, and as far as I can see they both
work: I don't get any message from unwanted sources, nor I see any reply
to them.
The order is important, and the one you indicated is correct
(Thunderbird warns if you reverse the order)

[David Brown]

It does, indeed, seem to be simply deleting the local copy (and
presumably "ignoring" it so that it does not get picked up in the next
update of the newsgroup).

Perhaps I was mixing it up with cancelling messages - or perhaps on the
old version of Thunderbird I have on a different machine attempted to
"cancel" newsgroup messages when you delete them. (I will try that
again on that old machine sometime.)

Maybe, however, "ignore subthread" will not work after a message has
been deleted (and Thundbird then no longer tracks it), while it /will/
work when a message has simply been marked as read?

[Sjouke Burry]

Hide it.

[Noob]

On 06/01/2018 15:50, Barry Schwarz wrote:

> On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 08:37:13 -0500, James Kuyper wrote:
>
>> So what is it that Thunderbird does when I select "Delete Message" when
>> setting up a message filter?
>
> It should delete the message from your system. It may send a delete
> request to any Usenet servers you are connected to.

Delete != Cancel

The deletion is only local.

[Keith Thompson]

David Brown <david...@hesbynett.no> writes:
[...]

> Perhaps I was mixing it up with cancelling messages - or perhaps on the
> old version of Thunderbird I have on a different machine attempted to
> "cancel" newsgroup messages when you delete them. (I will try that
> again on that old machine sometime.)

I certainly hope not. I can imagine Thunderbird having a command
to issue a cancel for a message you've posted, after confirming
somehow that it's your own message. Providing an easily accessible
way to issue a cancel for someone else's post would be a horrendous
misfeature.

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <ln608ea...@kst-u.example.com>,

Keith Thompson <ks...@mib.org> wrote:
>David Brown <david...@hesbynett.no> writes:
>[...]
>> Perhaps I was mixing it up with cancelling messages - or perhaps on the
>> old version of Thunderbird I have on a different machine attempted to
>> "cancel" newsgroup messages when you delete them. (I will try that
>> again on that old machine sometime.)
>
>I certainly hope not. I can imagine Thunderbird having a command
>to issue a cancel for a message you've posted, after confirming
>somehow that it's your own message. Providing an easily accessible
>way to issue a cancel for someone else's post would be a horrendous
>misfeature.

Well, no sh*t, Sherlock.

But, as another poster noted, Usenet was originally designed to be used by
trustworthy people (much can be said of the Internet as a whole).

That that is no longer a reasonable assumption, is a great loss (in both
cases).

--
The randomly chosen signature file that would have appeared here is more than 4
lines long. As such, it violates one or more Usenet RFCs. In order to remain
in compliance with said RFCs, the actual sig can be found at the following URL:
http://user.xmission.com/~gazelle/Sigs/DanaC

[James Kuyper]

On 01/06/2018 09:50 AM, Barry Schwarz wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 08:37:13 -0500, James Kuyper
> <james...@verizon.net> wrote:

...

>> So what is it that Thunderbird does when I select "Delete Message" when
>> setting up a message filter?
>
> It should delete the message from your system. It may send a delete
> request to any Usenet servers you are connected to.

Do you mean a cancel request? Why would it do that? I'm only asking it
to delete the locally stored copy. I shouldn't have the right to cancel
other people's messages, and most news servers only honor cancel
requests when they come from their own subscriber, and are trying to
cancel a message posted by that subscriber. I've heard that some don't
honor any cancel requests.

[James Kuyper]

On 01/06/2018 12:04 PM, Sjouke Burry wrote:
> On 6-1-2018 14:37, James Kuyper wrote:

...

>> So what is it that Thunderbird does when I select "Delete Message" when
>> setting up a message filter?
>>
> Hide it.

Do you have any support for that conclusion? If it's hidden, I should be
able to reveal it. In my experience, once Thunderbird's message filters
delete a message, the only way to use Thunderbird to view the message
again is to modify the file that Thunderbird uses to keep track of which
messages it has downloaded for me. That will make the message visible,
but only as a result of forcing a fresh download of the message. The
originally downloaded copy of the message was in fact removed when it
executed "Delete Message".

[Real Troll]

On 06/01/2018 13:37, James Kuyper wrote:

So what is it that Thunderbird does when I select "Delete Message" when
setting up a message filter?

Delete means Delete.  There is no other meaning to it.  It is like pressing a Delete button on your keyboard;  Filter does it for you automatically!!!.

[Geoff]

On Fri, 5 Jan 2018 12:39:05 -0500, "James R. Kuyper"
<james...@verizon.net> wrote:

>A thought that just occurred to me: does it require that the message not
>be deleted, in order to determine which sub-threads should be ignored?

Yes. Tracking ignores requires the thread not be deleted.

>I'll test by changing it to only mark the message as already read.

That will fix it.

[James R. Kuyper]

My filter excludes messages from Rick C. Hodgin, but let me see messages
posted by Lynn McGuire. The recent message from Rick C. Hodgin titled
"Christ offers to people" was deleted, but Lynn's response was not
ignored, so as far as I can tell, "Ignore Subthread" isn't working for me.
As far as I can tell using Google Groups, that's the only case there has
been since I last changed my filters, of someone who is filtered out
posting a message that was responded to by someone who is not filtered
out. That's rather surprising; recently there has usually been dozens of
such responses every day. Have some people made New Year's resolutions
not to waste time responding to such messages?

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <ce1574c1-8966-593d...@verizon.net>,

James R. Kuyper <james...@verizon.net> wrote:

...

>such responses every day. Have some people made New Year's resolutions
>not to waste time responding to such messages?

There are those of us who love the trash posted by such luminaries as "Rick
Hodgin" and "Keith Thompson". Rather than kill(file) them, we select(file)
them!

--
To my knowledge, Jacob Navia is not a Christian.

- Rick C Hodgin -

[Manfred]

As far as I can see, there was also a direct reply from Thiago Adams.
Was it filtered or not?
I also see that the reply from Lynn was posted via a different news server.
I suspect there may be a dependency on the news servers involved,
possibly including even the one you are reading from, which might
somehow affect subthread identification.
Just guessing, though.

Regardless, I really appreciate the job they have done with Thunderbird.

[Noob]

On 07/01/2018 19:46, Kenny McCormack wrote:

> There are those of us who love the trash posted by such luminaries as "Rick
> Hodgin" and "Keith Thompson". Rather than kill(file) them, we select(file)
> them!

Lumping the RCH kook with Keith is low; even for you, you
mischievous little troll.

[fir]

not quite, maybe youre just to much stupid and intelectually primitive so its just behind your nderstanding

keith and rick have somethings in common, though probably less common than 'thiago' and rick (all of them are sorta brainwashers though in various degrees, thompson probally the less*) ..

* i know such personal remarks my degrade some higher quality of group standard as they asy "not being personal" but once ago k thompson was a bit buffed

[james...@verizon.net]

On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 3:03:47 PM UTC-5, Manfred wrote:
> On 1/7/2018 7:19 PM, James R. Kuyper wrote:

...
> > My filter excludes messages from Rick C. Hodgin, but lets me see messages

> > posted by Lynn McGuire. The recent message from Rick C. Hodgin titled
> > "Christ offers to people" was deleted, but Lynn's response was not
> > ignored, so as far as I can tell, "Ignore Subthread" isn't working for me.
> > As far as I can tell using Google Groups, that's the only case there has
> > been since I last changed my filters, of someone who is filtered out
> > posting a message that was responded to by someone who is not filtered
> > out. That's rather surprising; recently there has usually been dozens of
> > such responses every day. Have some people made New Year's resolutions
> > not to waste time responding to such messages?
>
> As far as I can see, there was also a direct reply from Thiago Adams.
> Was it filtered or not?

Yes, it was filtered, since he's in my killfile.

However, for some reason this message that you posted has not shown up yet on
Thunderbird, which is why I'm using Google Groups to respond to it.
That message also doesn't appear in the filter log, either. In fact, there
aren't any messages in the log more recent than 01/06/2018 09:15:55 PM. I've
confirmed that the log is enabled and I've seen clear evidence later than that
time of a) new messages coming in and b) messages that should be being filtered
not showing up.
I continue to be confused.

[Thiago Adams]

On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:17:23 PM UTC-2, fir wrote:
> W dniu niedziela, 7 stycznia 2018 22:21:25 UTC+1 użytkownik Noob napisał:
> > On 07/01/2018 19:46, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> >
> > > There are those of us who love the trash posted by such luminaries as "Rick
> > > Hodgin" and "Keith Thompson". Rather than kill(file) them, we select(file)
> > > them!
> >
> > Lumping the RCH kook with Keith is low; even for you, you
> > mischievous little troll.
>
> not quite, maybe youre just to much stupid and intelectually primitive so its just behind your nderstanding
>
> keith and rick have somethings in common, though probably less common than 'thiago' and rick (all of them are sorta brainwashers though in various degrees, thompson probally the less*) ..

I try do show my views about C programs. I believe my posts are on topic.
You probably believe your posts are on topic or relevant as well, am I
correct?
So what is the difference between you and Rick if he believes that he
is correct?

Depending on your answer you and I and many other people here
were similar on this difference.

[Real Troll]

On 07/01/2018 23:17, fir wrote:
>
>
> keith and rick have somethings in common, though probably less common than 'thiago' and rick (all of them are sorta brainwashers though in various degrees, thompson probally the less*) ..
>

I have put Thiago on my filter list and so I am unlikely to see his
posts. I think you should do the same to avoid unnecessary spam here.
You don't have to respond to his posts.

His only contribution is to cry about nothing. He and Richard are
always talking about starting a moderated NG and that discussions
creates more noise than Ricks weekly sermon. In any case I have never
seen any of the Rick's post for months now since I had already
kill-filed him together with that Moroccan Bomber Ramine!!

[Thiago Adams]

On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 3:59:02 PM UTC-2, Thiago Adams wrote:

> On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 3:39:12 PM UTC-2, James R. Kuyper wrote:
> > On 01/05/2018 12:31 PM, David Brown wrote:

> > ...
> > > If you get yourself a proper newsreader client and newserver, rather
> > > than the hopeless Google Groups interface, then it will be a simple
> > > matter to filter out posts by people you dislike - including any replies
> > > to said posts.

> >
> > I use Mozilla Thunderbird. I've set up my "Trolls" filter to
> > 1. Ignore Subthread
> > 2. Delete Message
>
>

> I prefer google groups interface and search.
> But I think I will have to use Thunderbird again.

The problem I see with the Thunderbird UI
is that the list shows a lot of repetitive text
instead of useful information.

Like this:

Re: comp lang moderated? Person1 06/01/2018
Re: comp lang moderated Person1 06/01/2018
Re: comp lang moderated Person2 06/01/2018
....

Compared with google, when we expand some topic
we can see one line with the text of each message.

Person1 Text... Jan7 (10 hours ago)
Person2 Text... Jan7 (10 hours ago)

[Kenny McCormack]

First, thanks for the accolade. Appreciate it.

I should add a couple of things:

1) I wasn't joking. Keith and Rick are the two people I most look
forward to reading here. Both are in my select-file and both are
very funny to read.

2) They are, in fact, quite similar personnas. Both are characterized
by absolute certainty that they are right and that there is zero
chance of being shown to be wrong. This results in them having the
same posting style - that of lecturing/teaching - never one of either
debating or actually exchanging ideas with other participants.
There is never any implication that they (Keith or Rick) might
actually learn something from the exchange. Which leads,
understandably, to us questioning what they are doing here - why do
they bother if it is not possible for them to in any way benefit?

The overall point here is that you never trust anyone whose motives are not
clear. If they don't have a visible motive, they must have a hidden one.

And, just in case, anyone's about to try to score a point here, my motive is
that it is fun poking holes in all of youse guys. I've always said that my
motive is fun. And if either Rick or Keith want to join me in that, we
will all rest easier.

--
The randomly chosen signature file that would have appeared here is more than 4
lines long. As such, it violates one or more Usenet RFCs. In order to remain
in compliance with said RFCs, the actual sig can be found at the following URL:

http://user.xmission.com/~gazelle/Sigs/Pedantic

[James R. Kuyper]

On 01/07/2018 07:14 PM, james...@verizon.net wrote:
> On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 3:03:47 PM UTC-5, Manfred wrote:

...

> However, for some reason this message that you posted has not shown up yet on
> Thunderbird, which is why I'm using Google Groups to respond to it.

It did finally show up on Thunderbird, so that mystery, at least, is solved.

[David Brown]

On 08/01/18 12:52, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <p2u2ga$902$1...@dont-email.me>, Noob <ro...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> On 07/01/2018 19:46, Kenny McCormack wrote:
>>
>>> There are those of us who love the trash posted by such luminaries as
>>> "Rick Hodgin" and "Keith Thompson". Rather than kill(file) them, we
>>> select(file) them!
>>
>> Lumping the RCH kook with Keith is low; even for you, you
>> mischievous little troll.
>
> First, thanks for the accolade. Appreciate it.
>
> I should add a couple of things:
>
> 1) I wasn't joking. Keith and Rick are the two people I most look
> forward to reading here. Both are in my select-file and both are
> very funny to read.
>
> 2) They are, in fact, quite similar personnas. Both are characterized
> by absolute certainty that they are right and that there is zero
> chance of being shown to be wrong. This results in them having the
> same posting style - that of lecturing/teaching - never one of either
> debating or actually exchanging ideas with other participants.
> There is never any implication that they (Keith or Rick) might
> actually learn something from the exchange. Which leads,
> understandably, to us questioning what they are doing here - why do
> they bother if it is not possible for them to in any way benefit?
>

They are both, as far as I can tell, motivated by trying to help and
inform other people. The key difference is that people come to this
group - comp.lang.c - for to discuss C. Many people are therefore
interested in what Keith has to say, since he is very knowledgeable on
the subject. (Whatever you make think of his posting style, you must
give him that much credit.) Keith may or may not learn from his
exchanges here - but certainly /other people/ have learned from Keith's
posts. Even if you don't believe Keith gains anything from his posts
(and it is up to him to confirm or deny that - or more likely, to ignore
this discussion), there is at least a one-way transfer of knowledge and
information.

No one in this group, as far as I know, has any interest in Rick's
religious posts. Some few people may find them occasionally
entertaining, but no one learns anything, or gains anything from it.
They are posts of no value to anyone - merely of annoyance to many.
(And that leads to other threads and posts that annoy even more people.)

> The overall point here is that you never trust anyone whose motives are not
> clear. If they don't have a visible motive, they must have a hidden one.
>

Some people just post to be helpful. If you want to assign a selfish
motive, then perhaps they feel good about helping people.

[Malcolm McLean]

At a university bar or works canteen, people will often talk about C.
My sister, who is also a programmer, believes that programmers tend to
talk shop partly because, unlike with most other disciplines, the
field is in constant flux and there is real information to be communicated.

People don't need much motivation to be sociable. Text isn't quite
an adequate substitute for real life conversation, which leads to some
unusual behaviour in online communities.

[Real Troll]

On 08/01/2018 13:25, David Brown wrote:
> No one in this group, as far as I know, has any interest in Rick's
> religious posts.

Who is Rick? Does he post here? I don't see any of his posts!!

[fir]

i already was talking on this to you, (maybe you
remember thogh probably not )

dont treat his personally as it is not personall
it is about some lame quality of some of your remarks (i mean if you would improve them you would be ok imo, if not this is not quite problem of you but the quality of your
remarks, which as i said is often very lame)

(lame remarks in turn could brainwash people, quite in a way hodgin brainwashes people with his (more than lame just patologicaly idiotic in his case) pseudochristian spams )

what is exactly lame in you long list of
posting i will not mention becouse i dont waste my time to much by getting back to all that
and finding appropriate examples

you should understand that some people here has some level of knowledge, im not saying it is
very hight but this common level of c knowledge is often higher than yours and when you come
with some noob ideas it is like you would like to enlight people with a level of knowledge
which is lower than they already got ;c

also sorry to say your language ideas are sometimes so lame and terrible (like writing
this program that will translate one source
to another - which some user ben bacrisse afir quite properly informed you is bad and why)
and they weirdly resemble calive ideas of
idiot hodgin (also your other ideas like "lambda is a word tjat is repeated by all donkey-heads
in a word of programming, lets put it in c!!!"
aree also so bad and lacks some level of
understanding that it just goes below
a lewel that i call brainwashing

dont treat it personal, i know a lot on c and
just reckognize some really weak things then i just cant have good opinion on this ;c thats why i just tend not to value it same as hodgin things though youre obviously not abuser, not spammer etc, (in fact except hodgin, ramine, "steve carrol" all users hold to normal rules of discussion and thats ok imo)

[fir]

W dniu poniedziałek, 8 stycznia 2018 12:52:44 UTC+1 użytkownik Kenny McCormack napisał:
> In article <p2u2ga$902$1...@dont-email.me>, Noob <ro...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> >On 07/01/2018 19:46, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> >
> >> There are those of us who love the trash posted by such luminaries as
> >> "Rick Hodgin" and "Keith Thompson". Rather than kill(file) them, we
> >> select(file) them!
> >
> >Lumping the RCH kook with Keith is low; even for you, you
> >mischievous little troll.
>
> First, thanks for the accolade. Appreciate it.
>
> I should add a couple of things:
>
> 1) I wasn't joking. Keith and Rick are the two people I most look
> forward to reading here. Both are in my select-file and both are
> very funny to read.
>
> 2) They are, in fact, quite similar personnas. Both are characterized
> by absolute certainty that they are right and that there is zero
> chance of being shown to be wrong. This results in them having the

well i must agree with that.. ;c but those are anyway old times.. anyone who talks on c with some dose of sense and puts some value puts some value so im not sure if makin jibe/gibe (sorry weak english) on kt is any longer appropriate

hodgin make bad work here im as with a presence of such maniacal idiot, rules of good behaviour stop working (and thiose rules of positive energy are btw worth to make becouse teamwork in positive energy gets much better )

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 12:35:52 PM UTC-5, fir wrote:
> hodgin make bad work here im as with a presence of such maniacal idiot,
> rules of good behaviour stop working (and thiose rules of positive
> energy are btw worth to make becouse teamwork in positive energy gets
> much better )

Where have you ever seen me post anything negative toward anyone, fir?

At all points, the things I have stated are the facts conveyed in the
Bible. Warnings. Teachings. I have not overtly attacked anyone by
name, called anyone names, used profanity toward anyone, etc. Those
things I have stated explicitly toward people are an accurate reflect-
ion of their state.

Your treatment of me, however, has been terrible. You have shown me
not only no respect, but supreme levels of disrespect and treated me
horribly.

And why?

Because I warn you about sin and show you the very path to forgiveness
of your sin? What hateful thing have I done to justify your consistent
mean responses to me and posts regarding me?

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[fir]

ye youre right in some things (like this reserved answer to thiago adams ;c )

in short rule is maybe simple - if someone shows "shalowness" and "falsesness" in some view and attitude to things, R E J E C T IT becouse "more deep" and "more logical" is always better than "more shalow " and "more stupid"

(i know this logically leads also just to "rejecting self" "reject what you think, turn it into soemething higher" as anybody is in some dose shalow, usually even quite shallow (as i feel now) but thats is also just true.. just may be practically not so easy/cheap but always worth trying ;c)

[Thiago Adams]

On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 3:18:56 PM UTC-2, fir wrote:
[...]

> i already was talking on this to you, (maybe you
> remember thogh probably not )

You must apply your criticisms in your own topics before.

[David Kleinecke]

I tried communicating with Rick one-on-one by e-mail. It lasted
three exchanges. Rick isn't interested in dialogue - he's preaching,
laying down the law. Now I just ignore him. But if I ever need some
examples of fundamentalist rant I know where to find some.

[fir]

well that i call shallow answer -
[such level of answers are in fact "idiot level" ones, though people gets so used to it they dont even realize that]
not a good sign (omen) to you - but we will see ;c

[Kenny McCormack]

In article <ec146ccc-e919-4f17...@googlegroups.com>,
David Kleinecke <dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
...

>I tried communicating with Rick one-on-one by e-mail. It lasted
>three exchanges. Rick isn't interested in dialogue - he's preaching,
>laying down the law. Now I just ignore him. But if I ever need some
>examples of fundamentalist rant I know where to find some.

Exactly - that's what makes his stuff fun to read.

And Keith is the same way - which is why I get such a kick out of his stuff too.

--
"He is exactly as they taught in KGB school: an egoist, a liar, but talented - he
knows the mind of the wrestling-loving, under-educated, authoritarian-admiring
white male populous."
- Malcolm Nance, p59. -

[Manfred]

I would still tend to suspect a dependency on how NNTP servers tag
messages, and forward them as well.
For example, I have seen some mismatch in thread ordering, and some
message missing too, happening while using the same Thunderbird client
to read c.l.c via different NNTP servers.
Maybe the message headers could reveal something more..

[Thiago Adams]

On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 4:33:38 PM UTC-2, Seebs wrote:
> On 2018-01-05, Keith Thompson wrote:
> > Keith Thompson writes:
> > [...]
> >> Because it's inactive. Posts require moderator approval, and as far as
> >> I can tell the moderator (Peter "Seebs" Seebach IIRC) hasn't approved
> >> anything since 2014. Reviving the group would require either getting
> >> Seebs to become active again or getting a new moderator (I'm not sure
> >> what the procedure is for that). As far as I know nobody has expressed
> >> interest in taking over.
> >
> > I've just contacted Seebs by email and gotten a response. There are
> > possibilities. I've suggested that he post on this thread, so I'll let
> > him speak for himself.
>
> Long story short: I had technical issues and/or spoon shortage and was
> not keeping up, and basically I forgot that this had been a thing. I do
> have working usenet now, but I don't know that the moderation address
> is set up. It probably could be, but Everything Is Happening At Once.
>
> I'd be fine with handing the moderation off to other people, and if I
> get some free time I could set up a thing, or more reasonably, someone
> could set up any of the much-more-usable moderation software that
> presumably exists these days (I think Jay from rastb5m did a very nice
> package for this) somewhere else, and I'd give approval for transferring
> control.
>
> Sorry about falling down on the thing, Stuff Happened.
>
> -s


comp lang c++ is also trying to activate moderation.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.lang.c++/9wPWQvWZQYs

[mche...@gmail.com]

Thiago Adams於 2018年1月13日星期六 UTC+8上午10時42分03秒寫道：

Rick, go fuck yourself and fuck off

[Keith Thompson]

Thiago Adams <thiago...@gmail.com> writes:
[...]

> comp lang c++ is also trying to activate moderation.
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.lang.c++/9wPWQvWZQYs

More precisely, they're trying to revive comp.lang.c++.moderated.
comp.lang.c++ itself is unmoderated.

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks...@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"