How Do You Pronounce "#define"?
Brian Moquin
Is it "pound define" or "number define"?
And if it is "pound define", which one of you taught me to say the other?
Thanks,
b
George V. Reilly
: How should one pronounce "#define"?
I don't want to start another pronunciation fest, but I (and every C
programmer I know in Ireland) have always called this hash-define.
Maarten Litmaath posted a definitive list to comp.unix.wizards a few
weeks ago about this.
: # CROSSHATCH, pound, pound sign, number, number sign, sharp, octothorpe#,
: hash, fence, crunch, mesh, hex, flash, grid, pig-pen, tictactoe,
: scratch (mark), (garden)gate, hak, oof, rake, sink&, corridor&
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D. K. Smith
>In article <69...@psuecl.bitnet> b...@psuecl.bitnet (Brian Moquin) writes:
>: How should one pronounce "#define"?
>
>: hash, fence, crunch, mesh, hex, flash, grid, pig-pen, tictactoe,
>: scratch (mark), (garden)gate, hak, oof, rake, sink&, corridor&
Did we forget "splat"? That is, in the same context as the "!"
is called "bang".
dk smith
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Stephen Frede
"Hash define" of course.
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Jeffrey Adam Gordon
>
>Is it "pound define" or "number define"?
>
I read it as "sharp define."
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Craig Bosworth
[ about how to pronounce '#' ]
>
>Did we forget "splat"? That is, in the same context as the "!"
>is called "bang".
Umm, I always thought that '*' was a "splat".
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Douglas F. DeJulio
> Is it "pound define" or "number define"?
Around here, I frequently hear "hash define". I tend to say either
"number-sign define" or just "define".
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Douglas F. DeJulio
> Umm, I always thought that '*' was a "splat".
NONONONONO! '*' Should Always Be STAR.
Fred Smith
Well, being basically lazy, I just pronounce it "DEFINE". It's too much
trouble to say pound define, or hash define, or whatever, and it ISN'T
a SHARP SIGN. Anyone who has ever looked at a sheet of music can see
that a sharp symbol and the hashmark symbol found on shift-3 (on most
keyboards) are NOT THE SAME!
If I say "Define FOOBAR equal to 3" you will know what I mean, right??? So
I don't have to actually say the pound/sharp/hash/etc.
Fred
Joseph Sarkes
> >How should one pronounce "#define"?
very carefully. on a serious note, # is a POUND sign, so maybe
pound define would do.
Dave Jones
"Pound-define", of course.
> Did we forget "splat"? That is, in the same context as the "!"
> is called "bang".
This is not a splat: #
This is a splat, a.k.a. "star": *
Dan Mick
[yet another Personal Pronunciation deleted]
Well, *I* pronounce #define as "purple banana flag-burner". Now, don't you
all feel better for knowing how *I* pronounce this?
*PLEASE* stop it...*PLEASE*...
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Jeff Seideman
That's funny! One of my co-workers and I were just fighting over that
this morning. He says # is "SHARP" and I say # is "GRID".
So it can be "pound define"
or "sharp define"
or "grid define"
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Antony King
<In article <5...@junkyard.UUCP>, j...@junkyard.UUCP (Joseph Sarkes) writes:
<> In article <24...@softway.oz>, step...@softway.oz (Stephen Frede) writes:
<> > >How should one pronounce "#define"?
<>
<> very carefully. on a serious note, # is a POUND sign, so maybe
<> pound define would do.
<
<That's funny! One of my co-workers and I were just fighting over that
<this morning. He says # is "SHARP" and I say # is "GRID".
<So it can be "pound define"
<or "sharp define"
<or "grid define"
Or how about "hash define".
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Joseph Sarkes
>
> So it can be "pound define"
> or "sharp define"
> or "grid define"
Well, I do agree that it is important for people in a discipline to
be able to communicate reliably, so that there should be a common
pronounciation amoung all for each given word. Since at this time we
do not have a glossary on each persons desk which will resolve this
problem, usage in the common world would probably be the way to go.
This leads us to the question of when you go to the grocery store,
(how much more common can you get?) do you buy two sharps of ham, (2 #)
two grids of ham, (2 #) or two pounds of ham? (2 #) As far as I've seen
in this world, the only common usage of # is for pound, (weight) at least
in the U.S.A. As far as continuing this thread on comp.lang.c, it would
probably really belong in some newsgroup concerning linguistics or
possibly a group of people compiling the above glossary of pronounciation
for posting to the net at a latter date. No.... I am not volunteering to
compile said glossary, but this subject has been beaten to death at
least as far as this group should be concerned. (in my opinion) Let us
drop this line of thought after the next round of responses or flames,
or at least someone post a message stating where this thread has moved
for the diehards that MUST continue with it.
Joseph Sarkes (junkyard!joe)
Keith Duddy
>Thanks,
>b
Is this a joke?
I've never heard anyone say anything other than "hash define".
dud.
(kei...@anvil.oz)
Carl Paukstis
>assorted junk about pronunciation of special characters.
I will again accept e-mailed contributions to my continuing list of
the ways various people pronounce various characters. The list, as of
30 Oct 87 was originally posted as: Message-ID: <3...@iscintl.UUCP>:
Here they are, the pronunciations of your favorite "special" characters.
I had 37 responses; the pronunciations are listed in order of frequency
mentioned among those responses, most common first.
Thanks to all the respondents, especially for a foreign perspective.
! = bang | shriek | ballbat | pling
* = star | splat | asterisk
$ = dollar | dollar sign | ding | string
# = sharp | pound | hash | number | gardengate | gate | oof | crunch
\ = backslash | bash | reverse virgule
. = dot | point | period
- = dash | minus | hyphen
^ = caret | hat | up-arrow | boink
? = question mark | huh | question | query | kwes | quiz
= = equals | gets
| = or | bar | pipe | tube | mark | whack
@ = at | snable-a (note 3)
% = percent | shift-5 | grape
+ = plus
_ = underscore | underline | underbar
& = and | ampersand | amper | donald duck (note 1)
( = left paren | paren | open paren | left banana | banana
) = right paren | close paren | right banana | banana | thesis
{ = left curly brace | left brace | open brace | open curly bracket | brace
| left Tuborg (note 2) | open curly brace | curly brace
} = right curly brace | close brace | close curly bracket
| right Tuborg (note 2) | close curly brace | uncurly brace
[ = left bracket | open bracket | bracket | open square bracket
| edged parenthesis begin (note 3)
] = right bracket | close bracket | close square bracket | unbracket
| edged parenthesis end (note 3)
~ = twiddle | squiggle | tilde | tildee
< = less than | left angle bracket | sucks (note 4) | in arrow
> = greater that | right angle bracket | blows (note 4) | out arrow
` = back tick | back ping | back quote | accent grave
' = tick | ping | quote | single quote
" = quote | double quote | double ping
/ = slash | virgule
: = colon
; = semicolon
, = comma
Notes:
1) From Danish "Anders And", sounds like ampersand, means Donald Duck.
2) From the advertising for a well-known beverage (Danish).
3) Imported from Denmark, your mileage may vary.
4) As in "cat sucks stdin, blows stdout".
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@
Personally, I pronounce it 'Hash define', 'cos having been a living English
person for well over nineteen years now, I think of a 'pound' sign as something
looking vaguely like and E which I can't demonstrate to you all because the
terminal chucks out a # whenever I press the bloody pound-sign button !!!!!!
Basically, # means 'number' when combined with a number, e.g. #14 is read as
'Number 14'. Except of course in Chinese takeaways, where #14 is read as 'Egg
Foo Yung with Deep Fried Mushrooms and House Special Fried Rice'.
So call it whatever you want. Why not call it a Large Green Frog, that's got a
ring to it, hasn't it ??
So remember ....
Large Green Frog include <stdio.h>
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School of Information Systems,
University of East Anglia,
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Ken Johnson
>>Is it "pound define" or "number define"?
I can't imagine that anyone doesn't know this already, but the UK Pound
sign is not # but a crossed-out script L . therefore, talking about
`pound define', `the pound sign' etc. is only going to confuse us here!
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Todd M. Lewis
>
> Personally, I pronounce it 'Hash define', 'cos having been a living English
> Basically, # means 'number' when combined with a number, e.g. #14 is read as
> 'Number 14'. Except of course in Chinese takeaways, where #14 is read as 'Egg
> Foo Yung with Deep Fried Mushrooms and House Special Fried Rice'.
>
> So call it whatever you want. Why not call it a Large Green Frog, that's got a
> ring to it, hasn't it ??
>
> So remember ....
>
> Large Green Frog include <stdio.h>
Fine. So how do you pronounce the difference between
#include <some.h>
and
#include "some.h"
I usually just say "include some dot aytch" and I wouldn't have
brought it up if it weren't so amazing how far so many people
can ride the same dead horse.
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Ben Liblit
>Is it "pound define" or "number define"?
What this entire silly debate gets down to is how to pronounce "#". (I think
we can all agree on the proper pronunciation of "define".)
Consider: if a C programmer were to say "include s t d i o dot h," would you
be able to make the mental leap to comprehend that he/she was saying "#include
<stdio.h>"?
If no, than I strongly suggest you abandon computer programming in favor of
some other, less complicated, activity.
If yes, then pronounce "#define" as "define" and get back to work.
Ben Liblit
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Gary Duzan
=>>How should one pronounce "#define"?
=>>Is it "pound define" or "number define"?
=>
=>What this entire silly debate gets down to is how to pronounce "#". (I think
=>we can all agree on the proper pronunciation of "define".)
=>
=>Consider: if a C programmer were to say "include s t d i o dot h," would you
=>be able to make the mental leap to comprehend that he/she was saying "#include
=><stdio.h>"?
=>
=>If no, than I strongly suggest you abandon computer programming in favor of
=>some other, less complicated, activity.
=>
=>If yes, then pronounce "#define" as "define" and get back to work.
=>
How about #if? If there is any ambiguity, I just prepend the word
"preprocessor". Otherwise, I use the "mental leap" theory suggested above.
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>
>I can't imagine that anyone doesn't know this already, but the UK Pound
>sign is not # but a crossed-out script L . therefore, talking about
>`pound define', `the pound sign' etc. is only going to confuse us here!
>
pounds weight (2000# = 1 ton) I don't think anyone on this side of the
pond thinks the '#' means pound sterling.
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John Allen on wsl
the # character, you would think that all the 'C' programmers in the world
had nothing better to be doing with their time.
This has to rate as the silliest discussion I have ever seen. Not to mention
the amount of money it is costing.
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Dan Mick
>This has to rate as the silliest discussion I have ever seen. Not to mention
>the amount of money it is costing.
Agreed. Why can't we stop this?
Martin Weitzel
>In article <2...@wsl.UUCP> jo...@wsl.ie (John Allen on wsl) writes:
>Agreed. Why can't we stop this?
Create a discussion group for this and redirect all followups?
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Jeff Seideman
>>In article <3...@charyb.COM> d...@charyb.UUCP (Dan Mick) writes:
>>>In article <2...@wsl.UUCP> jo...@wsl.ie (John Allen on wsl) writes:
>>[about sillyness of discussing pronounciations]
>>>Agreed. Why can't we stop this?
>>
>>Create a discussion group for this and redirect all followups?
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Bill Smith
> poeple that do know don't tell the people that don't know then the people
> that don't know still won't know.
> "Don't quote me on any issue whatsoever."
Ahh, but if the people who don't know don't tell the people who do
know that they don't know, then the people who do know won't know
that the people who don't know don't know. If the people who do know
don't know that the people who don't know don't know, then the people
who do know might tell the people who don't know what the people who
do know do know not knowing that the people who don't know don't know.
Then the people who didn't know would know and the people who did know
would never know that the people who didn't know didn't know.
"You can quote me on that" - jhb