Available C++ Libraries FAQ

[Nikki Locke]

Available C++ Libraries FAQ

URL: http://www.trumphurst.com/cpplibs/

This is a searchable list of libraries and utilities (both free
and commercial) available to C++ programmers.

If you know of a library which is not in the list, why not fill
in the form at http://www.trumphurst.com/cpplibs/cppsub.php

Maintainer: Nikki Locke - if you wish to contact me, please use the form on the website.

[woodb...@gmail.com]

Feel free to add my messaging and serialization library to
your list -- https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards
.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
http://webEbenezer.net

[Mr Flibble]

On 15/08/2017 19:48, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 5:23:24 PM UTC-5, Nikki Locke wrote:
>> Available C++ Libraries FAQ
>>
>> URL: http://www.trumphurst.com/cpplibs/
>>
>> This is a searchable list of libraries and utilities (both free
>> and commercial) available to C++ programmers.
>>
>> If you know of a library which is not in the list, why not fill
>> in the form at http://www.trumphurst.com/cpplibs/cppsub.php
>>
>> Maintainer: Nikki Locke - if you wish to contact me, please use the form on the website.
>
> Feel free to add my messaging and serialization library to
> your list -- https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards

Or don't. The library (or its author) appears to be homophobic judging
by links on its website.

/Flibble

[Daniel]

On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 2:04:50 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 15/08/2017 19:48, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:

> > your list -- https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards
>

> The library (or its author) appears to be homophobic judging
> by links on its website.
>

What links? I don't see anything along those lines on the github site.

Daniel

[Mr Flibble]

The project website is linked from github (http://webebenezer.net) and
the link "Links" on that site is http://webebenezer.net/links.html and
the first link on that is to some homophobic Christian website.

/Flibble

[Melzzzzz]

Hm, I can't see anything homophobic on that site. I even can't see that
it is Christian site.

--
press any key to continue or any other to quit...

[Mr Flibble]

"If children don't deserve to have a father and a mother, who does?"

^^ homophobic

/Flibble

[Mr Flibble]

On 16/08/2017 20:06, Melzzzzz wrote:

They seem to have mysteriously removed all the egregious articles and
replaced it with a landing page.

https://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2013/03/same-sex-marriage-opponents-link-gays-nazis-again

/Flibble

[Real Troll]

On 16/08/2017 20:06, Melzzzzz wrote:

> Hm, I can't see anything homophobic on that site. I even can't see that
> it is Christian site.
>

There is nothing wrong in being homophobic. Nature made two types of
people - a man and a woman. The idea was opposites attract and procreate;

Flibble and Dave Brown are homosexuals and they attract each other but
they are freaks. Call me what you may but homosexuals have no place in
my organization. they bring diseases and incurable illnesses like aids.

By the way I don't like religious freaks either and that idiot by the
name of Rick has no place in my inbox. I have not seen any of his posts
for a very long time unless somebody is stupid enough to reply to him
and so quote his post in full.

[Mr Flibble]

On 16/08/2017 22:30, Real Troll wrote:
> On 16/08/2017 20:06, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> Hm, I can't see anything homophobic on that site. I even can't see that
>> it is Christian site.
>>
>
> There is nothing wrong in being homophobic. Nature made two types of
> people - a man and a woman. The idea was opposites attract and procreate;
>
> Flibble and Dave Brown are homosexuals and they attract each other but
> they are freaks. Call me what you may but homosexuals have no place in
> my organization. they bring diseases and incurable illnesses like aids.

No place in your organization? Care to tell us which organization that
is? Words are cheap when you hide behind anonymity "Real Troll".

/Flibble

[Melzzzzz]

Depends on context. If you go to that site you will see that there is
nothing homophobic there.

>
> ^^ homophobic
>
> /Flibble

[Mr Flibble]

On 17/08/2017 00:20, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2017-08-16, Mr Flibble <flibbleREM...@i42.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 16/08/2017 20:06, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>> On 2017-08-16, Mr Flibble <flibbleREM...@i42.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 16/08/2017 19:50, Daniel wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 2:04:50 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>>>>> On 15/08/2017 19:48, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> your list -- https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The library (or its author) appears to be homophobic judging
>>>>>> by links on its website.
>>>>>>
>>>>> What links? I don't see anything along those lines on the github site.
>>>>
>>>> The project website is linked from github (http://webebenezer.net) and
>>>> the link "Links" on that site is http://webebenezer.net/links.html and
>>>> the first link on that is to some homophobic Christian website.
>>>
>>> Hm, I can't see anything homophobic on that site. I even can't see that
>>> it is Christian site.
>>
>> "If children don't deserve to have a father and a mother, who does?"
>
> Depends on context. If you go to that site you will see that there is
> nothing homophobic there.

The article to which that quote refers to has been removed. It was
homophobic.

/Flibble

[Alf P. Steinbach]

I think it's all right to /be/ homophobic, or whatever.

But it's another matter to argue for discrimination of homosexuals.

I think very different psychological mechanisms are involved in the
phobia case and the discrimination case. A person who is phobic about
something doesn't necessarily discriminate on that basis. A person who
discriminates (or argues for it) doesn't necessarily have a phobia.


Cheers!,

- Alf (very off-topic)

[woodb...@gmail.com]

I'm a bopper -- biblically oriented programmer.

In spite of a lot of anti-religious bigotry from
people here, I'm doing fine and the company is doing
fine.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - "You are the light of the world.
A city on a hill cannot be hidden." Matthew 5:14

http://webEbenezer.net

[David Brown]

Look at his posting name - he is /trolling/ ! It was not one of his
best efforts, which are much more subtle. In fact, it was so blatant
that I think it was just his way of condemning homophobia with sarcasm.

Of course, we hit Poe's law here:

<http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe%27s_Law>

[Ian Collins]

On 08/17/17 12:50 PM, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I'm a bopper -- biblically oriented programmer.
>
> In spite of a lot of anti-religious bigotry from
> people here, I'm doing fine and the company is doing
> fine.

Bigotry? Pot, kettle.

--
Ian

[David Brown]

On 17/08/17 02:43, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
> On 8/16/2017 8:04 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 15/08/2017 19:48, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 5:23:24 PM UTC-5, Nikki Locke wrote:
>>>> Available C++ Libraries FAQ
>>>>
>>>> URL: http://www.trumphurst.com/cpplibs/
>>>>
>>>> This is a searchable list of libraries and utilities (both free
>>>> and commercial) available to C++ programmers.
>>>>
>>>> If you know of a library which is not in the list, why not fill
>>>> in the form at http://www.trumphurst.com/cpplibs/cppsub.php
>>>>
>>>> Maintainer: Nikki Locke - if you wish to contact me, please use the
>>>> form on the website.
>>>
>>> Feel free to add my messaging and serialization library to
>>> your list -- https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards
>>
>> Or don't. The library (or its author) appears to be homophobic judging
>> by links on its website.
>
> I think it's all right to /be/ homophobic, or whatever.
>

That would depend on what is meant by "homophobic", I think. As a
strict psychological term, it would mean having an irrational fear of
homosexuals or homosexuality. This, I think, would be a very rare
condition. For real phobias, the sufferer knows it is irrational and
sees it as a disadvantage - just ask anyone with arachnophobia or
claustrophobia, for example.

The common use of the term is for people who /choose/ to dislike
homosexuals and/or homosexuality. It is still irrational, of course,
but they do not see it as irrational - they rationalise it to themselves
(by claims about their religion, or that it is "destroying families", or
"unhealthy" or "unnatural").

> But it's another matter to argue for discrimination of homosexuals.

Absolutely agreed - like other discrimination, it is to be abhorred.

Somewhere in the middle we are left people who dislike homosexuals
and/or homosexuality, but do not discriminate on it. These are not
psychologically homophobic - their dislike is a choice or a product of
choices, such as their interpretation of their religious beliefs. If it
is possible for them to put those dislikes aside and not act on or
promote them, then I it is fine - it becomes just personal preference.

[David Brown]

On 17/08/17 02:50, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 15/08/2017 19:48, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 5:23:24 PM UTC-5, Nikki Locke wrote:
>>>> Available C++ Libraries FAQ
>>>>
>>>> URL: http://www.trumphurst.com/cpplibs/
>>>>
>>>> This is a searchable list of libraries and utilities (both free
>>>> and commercial) available to C++ programmers.
>>>>
>>>> If you know of a library which is not in the list, why not fill
>>>> in the form at http://www.trumphurst.com/cpplibs/cppsub.php
>>>>
>>>> Maintainer: Nikki Locke - if you wish to contact me, please use the form on the website.
>>>
>>> Feel free to add my messaging and serialization library to
>>> your list -- https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards
>>
>> Or don't. The library (or its author) appears to be homophobic judging
>> by links on its website.
>>
>
> I'm a bopper -- biblically oriented programmer.
>
> In spite of a lot of anti-religious bigotry from
> people here, I'm doing fine and the company is doing
> fine.
>

I think most people have nothing against people being religious or
believing in whatever supernatural entities they want. Most of us do,
however, have something against the bigotry and other evils that some
people perpetrate using their religion as an excuse.

[Mr Flibble]

On 17/08/2017 01:50, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 15/08/2017 19:48, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 5:23:24 PM UTC-5, Nikki Locke wrote:
>>>> Available C++ Libraries FAQ
>>>>
>>>> URL: http://www.trumphurst.com/cpplibs/
>>>>
>>>> This is a searchable list of libraries and utilities (both free
>>>> and commercial) available to C++ programmers.
>>>>
>>>> If you know of a library which is not in the list, why not fill
>>>> in the form at http://www.trumphurst.com/cpplibs/cppsub.php
>>>>
>>>> Maintainer: Nikki Locke - if you wish to contact me, please use the form on the website.
>>>
>>> Feel free to add my messaging and serialization library to
>>> your list -- https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards
>>
>> Or don't. The library (or its author) appears to be homophobic judging
>> by links on its website.
>>
>
> I'm a bopper -- biblically oriented programmer.
>
> In spite of a lot of anti-religious bigotry from
> people here, I'm doing fine and the company is doing
> fine.

Bigotry is using religion or "God" as an excuse to spread hatred about
minority groups.

/Flibble

[woodb...@gmail.com]

I started Ebenezer Enterprises because I think marriage
(a man and a woman) is important. Why is it important?
Because children are important and they deserve to have
both a father and a mother.

Another defender of conservative beliefs is Ben Shapiro
over at Dailywire.com
. His podcasts and articles are examples of American
exceptionalism.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - Enjoy programming again.
http://webEbenezer.net

[Mr Flibble]

On 17/08/2017 18:42, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 10:58:04 AM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 17/08/2017 01:50, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I'm a bopper -- biblically oriented programmer.
>>>
>>> In spite of a lot of anti-religious bigotry from
>>> people here, I'm doing fine and the company is doing
>>> fine.
>>
>> Bigotry is using religion or "God" as an excuse to spread hatred about
>> minority groups.
>>
>
> I started Ebenezer Enterprises because I think marriage
> (a man and a woman) is important. Why is it important?
> Because children are important and they deserve to have
> both a father and a mother.

So the rapist must marry his victim so the child can have a father and
mother? You are fucking bigoted idiot Brian.

/Flibble

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 12:59:28 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:

> On 17/08/2017 18:42, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > I started Ebenezer Enterprises because I think marriage
> > (a man and a woman) is important. Why is it important?
> > Because children are important and they deserve to have
> > both a father and a mother.
>
> So the rapist must marry his victim so the child can have a father and
> mother?

If the victim is single, she could give the baby up
for adoption. I support castration for rapists.

Please don't swear here.


Brian

[red floyd]

On 8/17/2017 11:21 AM, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Please don't swear here.
>

Fuck off.

[Mr Flibble]

Either the victim doesn't want the child in which case abortion is
preferable or she wants the child in which case who the fuck are you to
say she can't be a single mum?

YOU ARE A FUCKING BIGOT BRIAN.

/Flibble

[Jorgen Grahn]

On Thu, 2017-08-17, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
...

> I started Ebenezer Enterprises because I think marriage
> (a man and a woman) is important. Why is it important?
> Because children are important and they deserve to have
> both a father and a mother.

I normally stay out of these offtopic threads, but that makes no sense
to me at all, and I'm curious:

/Why/ is that important? A lot more children grow up with only one
parent, or one sane parent and one who's impaired by insanity or drug
abuse, or who's beating his partner, or the child has no real parent
at all. A lot of those children grown up okay. So why is it a
problem if both parents are men, or women? After all, parenting
doesn't involve using your genitals.

“Blind guides, who strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel” comes
to mind.

I'm not PC, and I am saddened by Leigh's endless trolling, which may
have provoked you to write things you really don't believe much -- but
this is obvious to me. It's also obvious to Christian friends of
mine. Why isn't it obvious to you?

/Jorgen

--
// Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . .
\X/ snipabacken.se> O o .

[Rick C. Hodgin]

You are in error, Jorgen.

The Bible is absolutely clear that marriage was intended by God to
be only between a man a woman. If you look at the Law of Moses, it
contains death for homosexuals. If you look at the destruction of
Sodom and Gomorrah you see that God destroyed those cities before
the day of judgment as a warning to the rest of them.

In the New Testament, Paul calls homosexuality a vile affection,
an error, and states that those who engage in such things have
turned against God and nature and are doing things which are
inconvenient and are of a reprobate mind (Romans 1:26-27):
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1&version=KJV

We also have the direct passage which states that homosexuality
will literally keep someone out of Heaven, and that includes all
who agree with homosexuality even if they do not actively engage
in it with their own bodies:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6%3A9-10&version=KJV

You'll note the quote there: "abusers of themselves with
mankind." This was the term for homosexuality when the King
James Bible was written in the early 1600s. More modern
translations have it written in our words:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6%3A9-10&version=ISV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6%3A9-10&version=NIV

And in general Biblical philosophy you have God creating them
male and female, stating it was not good for the man to be alone
when He had only at that time made Adam. He put Adam to sleep
and brought him someone to keep him from being alone, and it was
Eve. The Bible records that for this reason will a man leave
his mother and father and go and be united to his wife and the
two shall no longer be twain, but shall be one flesh.

And then there is the bride of Christ (the church) being married
in eternity to the Bridegroom (Jesus), such that we are going to
receive all He has through this marriage, as He receives all we
have, just as our marriages here on Earth.

Gay marriage is a complete abomination against God. It is
literally Satan's teaching regarding a false form of "love" that
is used to describe that type of relationship. Satan is trying
to grant to the meaning of "love" an abomination before God,
trying to deceive us through our flesh-based reasoning mind,
such that we will buy into the concept that "love is love" and
the like.

-----
The truth remains solidly given to mankind by God, and nobody
who embraces homosexuality will enter into Heaven, unless they
repent and ask forgiveness for their sin ... and this remains
true no matter what percentage of the population says, "No, it
is okay to be gay."

It never is okay to be gay as it goes against everything God
has established in His creation here for the understanding of
man on the Earth.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

Alternatively God doesn't exist and gay marriage is absolutely fine.
Your bigotry couldn't be any more egregious Rick.

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 8/17/2017 3:46 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> Alternatively God doesn't exist and gay marriage is absolutely fine.

That is the teaching of Satan. It is his hope that you will believe
it to the point of your death whereby you will die in your sin and
unforgiven by Jesus for it, so that your eternal soul will be cast
into Hell.

> Your bigotry couldn't be any more egregious Rick.

It is Satan's teaching that the people who teach the things of God
are bigots and the like. It is Satan's teaching that the things
of God, which are really right and true, are "wrong" (by his false
teaching), because Satan is the enemy of God, and the enemy of man.

-----
You are being deceived by an enemy who wishes you destroyed, Leigh.
If you want to the know the truth, seek it for real, and God Himself
will make sure you find it. Not me. Not anyone else. But God will
know if you are truly seeking the truth or not, and He alone will
lead you to it.

[Ian Collins]

On 08/18/17 07:34 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> It never is okay to be gay as it goes against everything God
> has established in His creation here for the understanding of
> man on the Earth.

People are what they are, not what they chose to be.

Bigotry is a choice.

--
Ian

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 8/17/2017 4:02 PM, Ian Collins wrote:
> On 08/18/17 07:34 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>
>> It never is okay to be gay as it goes against everything God
>> has established in His creation here for the understanding of
>> man on the Earth.
>
> People are what they are, not what they chose to be.

This is something people believe because they lack the spiritual
discernment to know otherwise.

Demons are angels that rebelled against God. They were kicked
out of Heaven in their bodies, and their bodies were locked in
chains reserved for the day of judgment. They cannot come out
from their prison in bodily form. However, angels are able to
leave their bodies in spiritual form. But, when in spirit form
they cannot interact with this world in the conventional sense.
They don't have an arm to pick up a stick, for example, and they
are essentially like ghosts.

So they come out and they use their spiritual influence to
affect our flesh, and they inject into us false feelings and
thoughts and ideas and emotions that are NOT OUR OWN. They
are the "beaming in" of those feelings by the evil spirit.

How does this work? We were created in the image in God, as
He is God the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, so are we soul, body,
spirit. But, because of sin we are spiritually dead. Our
body is able to receive spirit input. There's a spirit from
God which quickens our body and gives us life here on the
Earth. When that spirit is withdrawn, our body here dies.

But these evil spirits do not have a way to manipulate this
world, except spiritually. So they use their spirit influence
to inject people's physical bodies with feelings that are not
their own.

This injection gives people a real feeling they can identify.
They can say categorically, "I feel gay. I am attracted to
members of my own sex." But they are unable to know that the
reason they feel that way is because there is an evil spirit
(or spirits) injecting those feelings into them.

Were that evil spirit (or spirits) removed from the person's
sensory input, then that person would no longer feel that way.

This is the truth of our nature brought to bear, and the
reality of the destruction of sin upon our flesh. We are
spiritually dead because of sin, and we cannot know the true
source of the input into our bodies. However, when Jesus
takes our sin away, we no longer have sin. We are in right
standing with God again, and that makes us spiritually alive
again. And then, we have the faculties to identify the
source of the input.

It's why born again people change so drastically, so rapidly,
and they alter everything in their life. Many later go back
to some of their old ways because we are still tied to this
flesh, and the evil spirits don't just throw in the towel
and say, "Oh, well, that one's saved. We'll go hunting at
some other place." No, they regroup, because if they can
get a born again believer to sin, it destroys the witness
for Christ.

But God if faithful. We (Christians) may sin, and He is
faithful to forgive us if we acknowledge our sin, and ask
forgiveness from Him.

> Bigotry is a choice.

Bigotry exists, but it does not exist when people are teaching
the things of God rightly. The things of God are right and
true.

And the feeling people have in their flesh are not just their
own feelings. Their own feelings really do exist, but they
are also capable of receiving influence from evil spirits who
are injecting them with emitted feelings from their spiritual
self, into our flesh body, so that we think we are feeling
something real, when in fact it is only the purpose of those
evil spirits injecting us with those feelings to get us to
sin and give them a legal license to enter in to our bodies
and there have influence upon this world tangibly.

If you could see the spirit world, Ian, you would see that
all flesh world-wide is compromised in this way ... even the
flesh of most devout Christians.

It requires a truly holy walk to be free from these things,
and it is why Jesus asks us to teach those who are becoming
disciples to obey all of His commands. It's not because
we're under the law, but it is because they are profitable
in protecting us against those evil spirit attacks.

[Mr Flibble]

What you need Rick is a good fucking in the arse; try using a dildo if
you can't get anyone to fuck you for free (or pay a hot rent boy with a
big cock to do it).

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 8/17/2017 4:16 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 17/08/2017 20:55, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> On 8/17/2017 3:46 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>> Alternatively God doesn't exist and gay marriage is absolutely fine.
>>
>> That is the teaching of Satan.  It is his hope that you will believe
>> it to the point of your death whereby you will die in your sin and
>> unforgiven by Jesus for it, so that your eternal soul will be cast
>> into Hell.
>>
>>> Your bigotry couldn't be any more egregious Rick.
>>
>> It is Satan's teaching that the people who teach the things of God
>> are bigots and the like.  It is Satan's teaching that the things
>> of God, which are really right and true, are "wrong" (by his false
>> teaching), because Satan is the enemy of God, and the enemy of man.
>>
>> -----
>> You are being deceived by an enemy who wishes you destroyed, Leigh.
>> If you want to the know the truth, seek it for real, and God Himself
>> will make sure you find it.  Not me.  Not anyone else.  But God will
>> know if you are truly seeking the truth or not, and He alone will
>> lead you to it.
>

> What you need Rick is...

Jesus loves you, Leigh. He will forgive your sin and give you His
Kingdom, eternal life, an existence without boundaries or limitations,
except that we are not to sin.

It's before you, Leigh. It's free for the asking. It is the best
offer you will ever receive. I pray you accept it because you have
great value, great worth, and I would very much like to see you in
Heaven.

[Ian Collins]

On 08/18/17 08:13 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On 8/17/2017 4:02 PM, Ian Collins wrote:
>> On 08/18/17 07:34 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>
>>> It never is okay to be gay as it goes against everything God
>>> has established in His creation here for the understanding of
>>> man on the Earth.
>>
>> People are what they are, not what they chose to be.
>
> This is something people believe because they lack the spiritual
> discernment to know otherwise.

Utter bollocks. There really is no point discussing psychology with a
closed mind. You lot really do belong in the dark ages along with other
fundamentalists.

--
Ian

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 2:07:44 PM UTC-5, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> On Thu, 2017-08-17, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> ...
> > I started Ebenezer Enterprises because I think marriage
> > (a man and a woman) is important. Why is it important?
> > Because children are important and they deserve to have
> > both a father and a mother.
>
> I normally stay out of these offtopic threads, but that makes no sense
> to me at all, and I'm curious:
>
> /Why/ is that important? A lot more children grow up with only one
> parent, or one sane parent and one who's impaired by insanity or drug
> abuse, or who's beating his partner, or the child has no real parent
> at all. A lot of those children grown up okay. So why is it a
> problem if both parents are men, or women? After all, parenting
> doesn't involve using your genitals.

I think the best case for children is to have both a father
and a mother. I think children have a right to a diverse
home life --

(children) - dad is the left paren and mom is the right paren
-- the two parens are not just externally different, they are
different in terms of their meaning.

Here's a line of my middle code:

-out (message_id_8, ::std::vector<cmw_account>)

. I think it makes sense to use both parens like that.
I didn't design it that way to make anyone feel bad ...


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - "For it has been granted to you on
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[Rick C. Hodgin]

The day is coming when the truth of what I'm teaching you today
is known to you in a way that you will be unable to deny. But
unless that day comes here on Earth, it will be too late to save
your soul. It's why Christians take the time to teach you these
things here upon this Earth.

Jesus came to the Earth to save us. Here is where we must
receive His free gift of salvation. It will be too late to
receive it when you are literally standing before God, in His
court of final eternal judgment. But the Bible records that
the people in that court of final eternal judgment will be
weeping and gnashing their teeth, pleading that they be given
a second chance, that their good deeds be counted for them.

You must ask forgiveness for your sins our your soul will perish
in Hell. It is that binary condition: saved, unsaved.

[Ian Collins]

On 08/18/17 09:31 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On 8/17/2017 5:01 PM, Ian Collins wrote:
>> On 08/18/17 08:13 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On 8/17/2017 4:02 PM, Ian Collins wrote:
>>>> On 08/18/17 07:34 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It never is okay to be gay as it goes against everything God
>>>>> has established in His creation here for the understanding of
>>>>> man on the Earth.
>>>>
>>>> People are what they are, not what they chose to be.
>>>
>>> This is something people believe because they lack the spiritual
>>> discernment to know otherwise.
>>
>> Utter bollocks. There really is no point discussing psychology with a
>> closed mind. You lot really do belong in the dark ages along with other
>> fundamentalists.
>
> The day is coming when the truth of what I'm teaching you today
> is known to you in a way that you will be unable to deny. But
> unless that day comes here on Earth, it will be too late to save
> your soul. It's why Christians take the time to teach you these
> things here upon this Earth.

Thank you for emphasising my point.

--
Ian

[Daniel]

On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 3:34:31 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> The Bible is absolutely clear that marriage was intended by God to
> be only between a man a woman.

But it also teaches that those who have not defiled themselves with women will be known as the first fruits of god.

Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

The Bible is a book written to peoples. The entire message of
the Bible is that we must be forgiven for our sin in order to be
saved. For the Jews and those brought into Judaism, this means
keeping the Law of Moses, and looking forward to the coming
Messiah. For the Gentiles (non-Jews) this means asking Jesus
to forgive your sin repenting of it.

The passage you refer to is from Revelation 14. The Christians
who are saved before the tribulation period will not go through
the tribulation. We are raptured out before that time comes.
The virgins mentioned in Revelation 14 are the Jews who then
sing a new song (they follow Jesus, acknowledging Him then as
the Messiah after the Gentile church is raptured out). And God
has reserved for Himself 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of
Israel who are to be the first fruits.

Revelation 14
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+14&version=KJV

1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and
with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his
Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters,
and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of
harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and
before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn
that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which
were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are
virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he
goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits
unto God and to the Lamb.

5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without
fault before the throne of God.

The Gentile church is mentioned in Revelation 1-3, and then not
again for the entire book. The division in acknowledgement between
God's chosen nation (Israel) and the rest of the world He turned to
when Israel rejected Him (the Gentiles, or non-Jews) is very clear.
Jesus even gave a parable about it:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+14&version=KJV

16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and
bade many:

17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were
bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.

18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first
said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must
needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.

19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go
to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.

20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I
cannot come.

21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then
the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go
out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring
in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.

22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded,
and yet there is room.

23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways
and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be
filled.

24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden
shall taste of my supper.

The people of Israel rejected God because of their sin state. So
Jesus went to the rest of the world and invited all of us sinners
to come and be a part of His Kingdom. And all who answer His call
will be invited, and will enter in.

For the Jews, they are God's chosen people. And He will revive
them after the age of Gentiles is completed (Romans 11:25):

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+11%3A25&version=KJV
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of
this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits;
that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the
fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

All of this is summed up in this movie, beginning at 30:00:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGGBgzpTcak&t=30m0s

The Bible is logical, but the thinking involved is not like man's
thinking. It is the thinking of God, and it is that which the
spirit provides discernment and understanding for. It's why there
appear to be contradictions or contrary information, even things
which are crazy sounding to the man without the spirit. It's why
I included a link to this post, which explains these things:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.c++/zVzs2r3CCT0/rGIccFCvAQAJ

[Mr Flibble]

On 18/08/2017 15:06, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> The Bible is logical,

LOL. The Bible is as logical as something not logical at all.

> It's why there
> appear to be contradictions or contrary information, even things
> which are crazy sounding to the man without the spirit.

The Bible contains contradictions because it is a book of fiction
written by men not your fictional "God".

Now why don't you fuck off you bigoted gay hating cunt?

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 8/18/2017 10:24 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 18/08/2017 15:06, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> The Bible is logical,
> LOL. The Bible is as logical as something not logical at all.
>
>> It's why there
>> appear to be contradictions or contrary information, even things
>> which are crazy sounding to the man without the spirit.
>
> The Bible contains contradictions because it is a book of fiction
> written by men not your fictional "God".

Before you dismiss this post as a glib reply "tl;dr", ask yourself
if the two minutes it will take to read is worth he possibility of
you coming into new knowledge that would lead you to eternal life?

-----
It appears that way to you today because you are perishing, Leigh.
You are not seeking the truth, and therefore you do not have God
drawing you to it so that you might know it (John 6:44).

There is spirit, and there is flesh. We are spiritually dead in
sin, which is why we can't understand these things in our flesh,
just as the eye can't understand sound, or the ear can't understand
sight. The flesh cannot understand spirit, and the spirit cannot
understand flesh. But as we were created as three-fold beings made
in the image of God, with Him being God the Father, Son, Holy Spirit,
so are we soul, body, spirit, but because of sin our spirit is dead.
We cannot "hear" the things of God because our "spiritual ears" are
dead and do not provide us input.

When Jesus takes our sin away, then we are alive again spiritually
and we are then able to hear the things of God and understand them.

We can't even come to God without Him first drawing us (John 6:44),
because it takes something more than we possess to hear His call.
And for all who will seek the truth, God does this. He also does
this for some of what the Bible calls "the elect," meaning there
are some people God has chosen to save, and they will be saved,
but for the rest ... EVERYONE is invited.

-----
Here is why you do not understand it, Leigh:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+1:18
18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those
who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is
the power of God.


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+2%3A14&version=NIV
14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things
that come from the Spirit of God but considers them
foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are
discerned only through the Spirit.

If you want to have eternal life, Leigh, if you want to escape
God's judgment for your sin ... I'm teaching you the way. It is
through the man Jesus Christ. He will forgive your sin, and give
you His Kingdom.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Ian, if you were wrong in your thinking that God is not real, does
not exist, and Jesus is not the way to Heaven, would you want to
know the truth?

[Mr Flibble]

On 18/08/2017 15:42, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On 8/18/2017 10:24 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 18/08/2017 15:06, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> The Bible is logical,
>> LOL. The Bible is as logical as something not logical at all.
>>
>>> It's why there
>>> appear to be contradictions or contrary information, even things
>>> which are crazy sounding to the man without the spirit.
>>
>> The Bible contains contradictions because it is a book of fiction
>> written by men not your fictional "God".
>
> Before you dismiss this post as a glib reply "tl;dr", ask yourself
> if the two minutes it will take to read is worth he possibility of
> you coming into new knowledge that would lead you to eternal life?

As you are a gay hating bigoted cunt your proselytizing isn't worth two
minutes of my time so...

[snip: tl;dr]

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 8/18/2017 11:57 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 18/08/2017 15:42, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> On 8/18/2017 10:24 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2017 15:06, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>> The Bible is logical,
>>> LOL. The Bible is as logical as something not logical at all.
>>>
>>>> It's why there
>>>> appear to be contradictions or contrary information, even things
>>>> which are crazy sounding to the man without the spirit.
>>>
>>> The Bible contains contradictions because it is a book of fiction
>>> written by men not your fictional "God".
>>
>> Before you dismiss this post as a glib reply "tl;dr", ask yourself
>> if the two minutes it will take to read is worth he possibility of
>> you coming into new knowledge that would lead you to eternal life?
>

> ... your proselytizing isn't worth two

> minutes of my time so...
>
> [snip: tl;dr]

The request wasn't for me but for you. I reiterate my request
one more time, Leigh. Please, for your soul's sake, take the
time to seek the truth.

[Mr Flibble]

Prove souls exist WITHOUT reference to the Bible. Hint: you can't,
fucktard.

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 8/18/2017 12:36 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> Prove souls exist WITHOUT reference to the Bible.  Hint: you can't...

I caution you that Satan uses a couple common tricks to keep people
pinned down / trapped within their ignorance of God's ways:

(1) Division.
(2) Caged inquiries.

(1) Satan encourages people who are approaching Christians to
simply leave their area and influence completely, so that they
will not even hear the message of the Christian regarding
Christ. People blacklist me, for example, so they don't have
to hear messages related to Jesus. They will seek to have me
terminated at a place of employment because I'm trampling on
their rights to work some place "unmolested" (they would say).

By doing this, the person then never hears the truth, and Satan
is able to keep them blinded and in whatever manner of belief
they're comfortable in, so long as they maintain their trek to
Hell.

(2) Satan encourages people to box in questions so their answers
can only come in the manner the cages demand.

By doing this, Satan encourages people to ask questions that
can prove to their flesh-based mind a simple yes/no response,
which they can then twist into a summary conclusion that's
easier for them to logically accept or dismiss.

The world isn't like that. If I had a key to my car and
someone came up and asked, "Does that key start cars?" I
couldn't just reply "Yes" because it doesn't start all
cars. And I couldn't really reply "No" because it does
start my car. So the answer is more than the question
allows as was demanded by the questioner. It requires a
teaching to educate them even on what question should've
been asked in the first place.

-----
It's like that with us, Leigh. We are complex creatures,
and God is an infinite God, and Satan is a powerful enemy
who will use whatever we're weakest at against us. And the
truth is, the answers you need to hear come through a real
teaching, Leigh, not just through responses to your inquiries.

You have to move from where you are to where truth is. You
can't demand truth come to you where you are, because you
are not where truth is (none of us are because of sin).

[Mr Flibble]

On 18/08/2017 17:58, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On 8/18/2017 12:36 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> Prove souls exist WITHOUT reference to the Bible. Hint: you can't...
>
> I caution you that Satan uses a couple common tricks to keep people
> pinned down / trapped within their ignorance of God's ways:
>
> (1) Division.
> (2) Caged inquiries.

Prove Satan exists WITHOUT reference to the Bible. Hint: you can't,
fucktard.

Prove God exists WITHOUT reference to the Bible. Hint: you can't, fucktard.

[snip: tl;dr]

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 8/18/2017 1:09 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 18/08/2017 17:58, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> On 8/18/2017 12:36 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>> Prove souls exist WITHOUT reference to the Bible.  Hint: you can't...
>>
>> I caution you that Satan uses a couple common tricks to keep people
>> pinned down / trapped within their ignorance of God's ways:
>>
>>      (1)  Division.
>>      (2)  Caged inquiries.
>

> Prove Satan exists WITHOUT reference to the Bible.  Hint: you can't...
> Prove God exists WITHOUT reference to the Bible.  Hint: you can't...
>
> [snip: tl;dr]

You ask questions under the example of (2), Leigh:

(2) Satan encourages people to box in questions so their
answers can only come in the manner the cages demand.

It makes it easy for you to dismiss the legitimate teaching because
it doesn't fit your pre-conceived notion / idea of what a "true and
correct" answer is.

It keeps you locked into your current belief, and is not part of a
pursuit of truth.

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 5:14:22 AM UTC-5, David Brown wrote:
> On 17/08/17 02:43, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
>
> That would depend on what is meant by "homophobic", I think. As a
> strict psychological term, it would mean having an irrational fear of
> homosexuals or homosexuality. This, I think, would be a very rare
> condition. For real phobias, the sufferer knows it is irrational and
> sees it as a disadvantage - just ask anyone with arachnophobia or
> claustrophobia, for example.
>
> The common use of the term is for people who /choose/ to dislike
> homosexuals and/or homosexuality. It is still irrational, of course,
> but they do not see it as irrational - they rationalise it to themselves
> (by claims about their religion, or that it is "destroying families", or
> "unhealthy" or "unnatural").
>
> > But it's another matter to argue for discrimination of homosexuals.
>
> Absolutely agreed - like other discrimination, it is to be abhorred.

If you want children, I suggest discriminating in favor
of the opposite sex. Besides making it easy (usually)
to have children, you will be taking responsibility by
providing your children with both a father and a mother.

I agree with Martin Luther King Jr. when he said things like:

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day
live in a nation where they will not be judged by the
color of their skin but by the content of their character."


Brian
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[David Brown]

On 18/08/17 20:27, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 5:14:22 AM UTC-5, David Brown wrote:
>> On 17/08/17 02:43, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
>>
>> That would depend on what is meant by "homophobic", I think. As a
>> strict psychological term, it would mean having an irrational fear of
>> homosexuals or homosexuality. This, I think, would be a very rare
>> condition. For real phobias, the sufferer knows it is irrational and
>> sees it as a disadvantage - just ask anyone with arachnophobia or
>> claustrophobia, for example.
>>
>> The common use of the term is for people who /choose/ to dislike
>> homosexuals and/or homosexuality. It is still irrational, of course,
>> but they do not see it as irrational - they rationalise it to themselves
>> (by claims about their religion, or that it is "destroying families", or
>> "unhealthy" or "unnatural").
>>
>>> But it's another matter to argue for discrimination of homosexuals.
>>
>> Absolutely agreed - like other discrimination, it is to be abhorred.
>
> If you want children, I suggest discriminating in favor
> of the opposite sex. Besides making it easy (usually)
> to have children, you will be taking responsibility by
> providing your children with both a father and a mother.

Clearly it is easier to /create/ children using a male and a female in
the common process. All sorts of other methods of getting children are
possible - surrogate parents, adoption, artificial insemination,
"borrowing" a member of the opposite sex for a bit. Many of these are
entirely natural - that is to say, they are found in nature.

But the idea that children /need/ a mother and a father is long
outdated. Research studies into the "success" of parenting - based on
children's happiness, success at school, chances of committing a crime,
and that kind of thing - show that it is perfectly possible to bring up
children well as a single parent. It is usually /easier/ when there are
two parents - it is simply easier to get time and energy for work, for
looking after a home, and for spending time with the children when the
job is shared. But having a "bad" parent is worse than having just one
parent. And having two homosexual parents consistently gives measurable
/better/ childcare results than having a heterosexual pair.

I don't know if the statistics showing the benefits of having homosexual
parents is corrected for the parents being open-minded, loving and
caring rather than bigoted and basing their family ideas on
misinterpretations of out-of-context books from over two thousand years
ago. I suspect once you have done that it all works out fairly evenly.

>
> I agree with Martin Luther King Jr. when he said things like:
>
> "I have a dream that my four little children will one day
> live in a nation where they will not be judged by the
> color of their skin but by the content of their character."
>

I don't remember him saying anything about it being important to judge
people based on their sexual preferences, and to condemn those that
don't fit into your small-minded views. I would like to think he was
not bigoted about sexuality any more than he was about skin colour.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 8/17/2017 4:02 PM, Ian Collins wrote:

I came across this teaching at 16:08:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlRG4y37t0A&t=16m8s

"As far as the world is concerned, this [police officer
recounting various supernatural stories of people he's
com across in the line of duty, and in an increasing
manner in recent years and more so in recent months]
is a bigot.

"As far as the world is concerned, I am a religious bigot.
And as far as the world is concerned, if you subscribe
to what's preached in this church house tonight, then you
are a bigot.

"How'd we get there? How did church going, tax paying,
law abiding, citizens of this country become so demonized,
so labeled in just a short period of time to where now if
you believe the Bible, and you accept scripture on face
value, you are a religious bigot?

"Are you watching what's going on here now? You had the
collision of two forces over here in Charlottesville, VA.
One side flies the confederate flag, Nazi symbol, and
whatever other symbols they have, and this group is
calling themselves White Supremacists. And on the other
side you've got the progressive liberal crowd.

"I'm not on either side ... but, if I don't join the
party line and walk according to what they say, and
cross my t's and dot my i's exactly the way the
progressive liberal crowd says to do it, I am a religious
bigot. What's that mean, preacher? It means they've
come to the point in this country where they control
your thinking by labeling you, by identity, and if you
don't fit where they want you they shut you up. The
First Amendment now, officially, is still good. But
in the real practical world, you can't say anything
any more. It'll cost you your job.

"How'd we get here? What is this preparing us for?
What does the future hold? What's down the road? Well
it seems to be pretty clear to me, that the only
religion that's going to survive in this world is going
to be the religion hammered out on their anvil, and
created by their theologians, and fed to the public.

"Their religion is going to be a universal religion that's
going to lay the groundwork for the coming of the man of
sin [described in the Bible]."

-----
The church hasn't changed. God hasn't changed. The teachings
of the Bible haven't changed. What has changed is the enemy of
God altering our society bit by bit to make it seem as though
the need for Jesus Christ is crazy, the teachings of the cross
are sheer lunacy, the Biblical labeling of "sin" is ridiculous,
and so on.

It is the enemy attempting to fool you into believing his lies
ahead of God's truth, and to do so just long enough to send you
to your grave unforgiven, so you will enter into Hell and be in
eternal damnation forever.

The enemy is doing all of this to destroy souls. He's doing
all of this to harm you, and your family, and your neighbors,
and everyone involved in your life, so that you will be deceived
and lead others around you into the deception you believe in, so
they too will be deceived and lead others, and so on.

If you examine Jesus Christ with scrutiny, you will find He is
teaching us the truth, and that the devil and all hims demon
imps are outright liars, condemned, awaiting the day of the
Lord's return to receive their judgment and their casting into
the lake of fire. They are on that death march right now,
which is why they're trying to take you down with them.

Jesus Christ offers you the only way out you'll ever receive.
But because of who He is, and because of what He did at the
cross, ONE WAY IS ENOUGH. It is sufficient for you, your
family, your neighbors, your co-workers, your community, and
even the whole world if they would come and be saved.

-----
I teach you this, Ian and others, because I care about you. I
too was once fooled by that enemy, but by the grace of God a
man named Randy taught me the truth when I responded to him in
much the same way Leigh Johnston did, though without the overt
profanity. He was patient with me and took the time to explain
things I thought I believed, and show me where I was mistaken
in my understanding. He taught me the truth, and I was also
at that time seeking the truth because I really wanted to know
if what I thought I knew was really the truth or not. I didn't
want to guess or assume, but I wanted to know with the fullest
assurance I could attain.

If you will set your sights on seeking the truth in that way,
God will lead you to it as He led me to it. He does this for
all people who will seek the truth world-wide.

[Mr Flibble]

Truth? Prove that what you say is the truth is actually true WITHOUT
reference to the Bible. Hint: you can't, fucktard.

Prove the Bible isn't a work of fiction WITHOUT using the Bible in some
fucktarded circular argument. Hint: you can't, fucktard.

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 8/18/2017 4:10 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 18/08/2017 18:15, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> On 8/18/2017 1:09 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2017 17:58, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>> On 8/18/2017 12:36 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>>>> Prove souls exist WITHOUT reference to the Bible.  Hint: you can't...
>>>>
>>>> I caution you that Satan uses a couple common tricks to keep people
>>>> pinned down / trapped within their ignorance of God's ways:
>>>>
>>>>      (1)  Division.
>>>>      (2)  Caged inquiries.
>>>
>>> Prove Satan exists WITHOUT reference to the Bible.  Hint: you can't...
>>> Prove God exists WITHOUT reference to the Bible.  Hint: you can't...
>>>
>>> [snip: tl;dr]
>>
>> You ask questions under the example of (2), Leigh:
>>
>>      (2) Satan encourages people to box in questions so their
>>          answers can only come in the manner the cages demand.
>>
>> It makes it easy for you to dismiss the legitimate teaching because
>> it doesn't fit your pre-conceived notion / idea of what a "true and
>> correct" answer is.
>>
>> It keeps you locked into your current belief, and is not part of a
>> pursuit of truth.
>
> Truth? Prove that what you say is the truth is actually true WITHOUT

> reference to the Bible. Hint: you can't...

>
> Prove the Bible isn't a work of fiction WITHOUT using the Bible in some

> fucktarded circular argument. Hint: you can't...

You separate yourself from the truth, Leigh, by the way you refuse
to approach truth. You are attempting to demand it come to you on
your terms, when the truth exists as it is and you must come to it.

It is your choice, and God will honor your choice fully, but His
guidance is it will cost you a price heavier than you'll be able
to pay, which is why He came to give you an alternative.

Good luck with your choice, Leigh.

[Mr Flibble]

On 18/08/2017 21:15, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> Good luck with your choice, Leigh.

I made my choice a long time ago and I chose atheism.

Now fuck off.

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 8/18/2017 4:39 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 18/08/2017 21:15, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> Good luck with your choice, Leigh.
> I made my choice a long time ago and I chose atheism.

I made the same choice when I was 15 years old, and I reinforced
it continually until I was nearly 35 years old. It was only then,
when I was older, more mature, wiser, where I actually wanted to
see for myself for real if I was following after the truth in my
atheist beliefs, or if I was following something else.

I didn't want to guess. I wanted to know.

It was then, and only then, that I set my sights on knowing the
truth. And it was then, and only then, that God came to me and
made a way for me to come to know the truth.

It will be the same for you, Leigh, if you seek to know the
truth and stop hiding behind what you think you believe because
you do not know for sure but you are guessing. You must research
and seek to know for sure.

I teach you these things because I care about you, Leigh.

My testimony video from 2008, four years after I was saved:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivvvs8ZqPUA

Jesus came to me on the night of October 31, 2003 leading in to
November 1, 2003. I had a dream that night where I saw His
eyes, and from that point forward I was drawn to Him. It was
the John 6:44 verse fulfilled in my life, and FWIW, had it not
happened to me I would not have believed it was possible. But
it is possible, and it did happen to me, and the same can happen
to anybody ... if .. they'll .. just .. seek .. the .. truth.

[Melzzzzz]

On 2017-08-18, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/18/2017 4:39 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 18/08/2017 21:15, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> Good luck with your choice, Leigh.
>> I made my choice a long time ago and I chose atheism.
>
> I made the same choice when I was 15 years old, and I reinforced
> it continually until I was nearly 35 years old. It was only then,
> when I was older, more mature, wiser, where I actually wanted to
> see for myself for real if I was following after the truth in my
> atheist beliefs, or if I was following something else.
>
> I didn't want to guess. I wanted to know.
>
> It was then, and only then, that I set my sights on knowing the
> truth. And it was then, and only then, that God came to me and
> made a way for me to come to know the truth.

I think that you went crazy and stupid. This is whole truth that you will
ever know.
>


--
press any key to continue or any other to quit...

[Mr Flibble]

On 18/08/2017 21:46, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On 8/18/2017 4:39 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 18/08/2017 21:15, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> Good luck with your choice, Leigh.
>> I made my choice a long time ago and I chose atheism.
>
> I made the same choice when I was 15 years old, and I reinforced
> it continually until I was nearly 35 years old.  It was only then,
> when I was older, more mature, wiser, where I actually wanted to
> see for myself for real if I was following after the truth in my
> atheist beliefs, or if I was following something else.
>
> I didn't want to guess.  I wanted to know.

I said I made my choice a long time ago and I made the correct choice so
I will not be changing my mind (and you are deluded if you think you can
change it for me).

You stubbornly think that your theistic rants which I now can't even be
arsed reading will change my mind. YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME. You think
converting the atheists is "righteous" and gives you the right to post
your theistic rants in technical newsgroups that have nothing to do with
God or religion. Well you are wrong; you are just a fucking arsehole.

If anyone is guessing it is YOU. Your choice in that which cannot be
proven is a bigger guess then my choice which is evidence based.

Now, you obtuse fuck, please fuck off.

[snip: tl;dr]

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I know you do, Melzzzzz. But the same holds true for you, in that
if you will seek to know the real truth of the matter, whether it
leads you this way or that way, then God Himself will see into
your intents and purposes and know you are seeking the truth, and
then He will make you able to find it.

Just seek the truth and God will do the rest.

[Melzzzzz]

On 2017-08-18, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just seek the truth and God will do the rest.

God is deaf and dumb.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 8/18/2017 4:56 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 18/08/2017 21:46, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> On 8/18/2017 4:39 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2017 21:15, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>> Good luck with your choice, Leigh.
>>> I made my choice a long time ago and I chose atheism.
>>
>> I made the same choice when I was 15 years old, and I reinforced
>> it continually until I was nearly 35 years old.  It was only then,
>> when I was older, more mature, wiser, where I actually wanted to
>> see for myself for real if I was following after the truth in my
>> atheist beliefs, or if I was following something else.
>>
>> I didn't want to guess.  I wanted to know.
>
> I said I made my choice a long time ago and I made the correct choice so
> I will not be changing my mind (and you are deluded if you think you can
> change it for me).

I'm telling you that I used to think I was correct too. In fact, I
was convinced of it. But, I honestly did not know for sure.

When I sought to understand the Bible, it was to get a proper and
true understanding, so I could dismantle it under the authority of
knowledge and not just rock throwing.

I wanted to be able to stand up and say, "RIGHT HERE! LOOK! SEE
FOR YOURSELF! IT SAYS X, WHEN OVER HERE IT SAYS Y!"

But the truth is, when I set my sights on getting a proper and
true understanding, then God opened up my understanding to truly
receive that which I could NEVER have received in my flesh.

> You stubbornly think that your theistic rants which I now can't even be
> arsed reading will change my mind.

No. I have stated many times nobody can come to God unless God
Himself draw that person (John 6:44).

What I am trying to teach you is that there is more to your
understanding than you understand today. You are only seeing
through the flesh, and you are correct in what you are able
to understand from your flesh. To your flesh, because of sin,
you are able to convince yourself God does not exist, cannot
exist, and so on. And you can believe it because of sin.

What I'm teaching you is that there is also spirit, and it is
there in our augmented existence where knowledge of God is
manifest and made real.

> YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME. You think
> converting the atheists is "righteous" and gives you the right to post
> your theistic rants in technical newsgroups that have nothing to do with
> God or religion. Well you are wrong; you are just a fucking arsehole.
>
> If anyone is guessing it is YOU. Your choice in that which cannot be
> proven is a bigger guess then my choice which is evidence based.

The spirit gives us the ability to know things our flesh cannot
know. A scientist could think there's some tiny things in there
causing the sample in the petri dish to transform from the first
material into the second. But, until he receives a microsocope
he can't know for sure. The new source of input and information
gives him the authority to stand upon proof he previously only
believed or thought, but now he knows.

It is the same with the spirit. God is spirit, and our flesh is
hampered by sin and can be deceived. But our spirit, when we
come to Jesus and ask forgiveness of our sin and our spirit is
alive again, it is not capable of being deceived because God
has promised to send His own Holy Spirit to dwell with us and
lead us to all truth.

We are still tied to this flesh-based bodies and Rick the man
can be deceived, but not Rick's spirit. It just depends on
which source of input I listen to in determining whether I
will follow after truth or falseness. And I'll be honest, it
is a difficult walk. There are so many tempting things in
this world to try to keep you focused on flesh-based things.
But if you press in and seek God in spirit and in truth, He
is there continually to protect you.

[woodb...@gmail.com]

Here's Ben Shapiro figuring things out in 2015:

"With this week's judicial tyranny, leftists move one step closer
to their ultimate goal, as expressed at the 2012 Democratic National
Convention: "Government is the only thing we all belong to." And that
will be an ugly America indeed."

https://townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/2015/07/01/the-real-goal-of-the-samesex-marriage-movement-n2019553

When an 11-year-old girl asked the Minnesota legislature
which of her parents she didn't need, they couldn't answer
her. Afterwords some sick person called her a bigot.

>
> >
> > I agree with Martin Luther King Jr. when he said things like:
> >
> > "I have a dream that my four little children will one day
> > live in a nation where they will not be judged by the
> > color of their skin but by the content of their character."
> >
>
> I don't remember him saying anything about it being important to judge
> people based on their sexual preferences, and to condemn those that
> don't fit into your small-minded views. I would like to think he was
> not bigoted about sexuality any more than he was about skin colour.

I give him credit for taking a wife and raising children with her.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - "You intended to harm me, but G-d intended it
for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives."
Genesis 50:20 Joseph speaking to his brothers after he had revealed
himself to them.

http://webEbenezer.net

[Mr Flibble]

On 18/08/2017 22:05, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On 8/18/2017 4:56 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 18/08/2017 21:46, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On 8/18/2017 4:39 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>>> On 18/08/2017 21:15, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>> Good luck with your choice, Leigh.
>>>> I made my choice a long time ago and I chose atheism.
>>>
>>> I made the same choice when I was 15 years old, and I reinforced
>>> it continually until I was nearly 35 years old.  It was only then,
>>> when I was older, more mature, wiser, where I actually wanted to
>>> see for myself for real if I was following after the truth in my
>>> atheist beliefs, or if I was following something else.
>>>
>>> I didn't want to guess.  I wanted to know.
>>
>> I said I made my choice a long time ago and I made the correct choice
>> so I will not be changing my mind (and you are deluded if you think
>> you can change it for me).
>
> I'm telling you that I used to think I was correct too.  In fact, I
> was convinced of it.  But, I honestly did not know for sure.

Oh I know for sure.

I am actually an /agnostic atheist/ as I don't know if any gods exist or
not even though I believe there are none however in relation to *your*
pathetic god, Jesus Christ, I do know for sure that he/it doesn't exist.

Everything you say is predicated on your belief that the Bible is true.

Well consider this:

Assumption #1: Genesis creation story is a myth/allegory and Adam and
Eve are a fiction.
Assumption #2: Jesus Christ (either biblical or historical) existed.

The Bible (Old and New Testaments) describe the genealogy of Jesus
Christ all the way from Joseph and Mary back to Adam and Eve. Given our
two assumptions at what point does this 50-generation genealogy
transition from fact to fiction and what is the proof of this transition?

IMO the entire genealogy is suspect and assumption #2 is bogus. There
is no evidence contemporary to Christ's existence of his existence: it
all came out in the latter part of the first century in writings from
the likes of Josephus and Tacitus a significant time after Jesus's
supposed death. The Gospels themselves are complete hearsay which
wouldn't hold water as evidence in a court of law.

If you now claim that assumption #1 is false despite all the evidence to
the contrary (e.g. weathering of the Grand Canyon, fossils confirming
evolution and evolutionary time scales) then you really are beyond help
as nothing can be done to mitigate such obtuse stupidity.

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 5:29:41 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 18/08/2017 22:05, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > I'm telling you that I used to think I was correct too.  In fact, I
> > was convinced of it.  But, I honestly did not know for sure.
>
> Oh I know for sure.

You don't really, Leigh. You do not have any evidence, but rely
only on your faith that what you believe is correct. All people
who used to not believe in the saving power of Jesus Christ felt
the same way you do before they were drawn to Him from within,
and before being born again.

It is the spirit nature which gives us assurance of things the
flesh cannot.

It's all I can teach you, Leigh. You said you haven't read the
posts I've written. Go back and read them. It's my best offering
to you.

[Mr Flibble]

On 19/08/2017 00:32, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 5:29:41 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 18/08/2017 22:05, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> I'm telling you that I used to think I was correct too.  In fact, I
>>> was convinced of it.  But, I honestly did not know for sure.
>>
>> Oh I know for sure.
>
> You don't really, Leigh.

Yes, I do.

> You do not have any evidence,

Yes, I do.

> but rely only on your faith

No, you are the one relying on faith not me.

/Flibble

[David Brown]

Ben Shapiro is not a figure anyone would consider unbiased, rational,
objective or honest. Quoting him is just confirmation bias on your
part, and adds nothing to your argument as far as anyone else is
concerned. He makes his living from selling conspiracy theories to
right-wingers who just love to hear how Hollywood is destroying the
country's youth, or universities are corrupting people through dangerous
"education".

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 8/17/2017 3:34 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On 8/17/2017 3:07 PM, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>> On Thu, 2017-08-17, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
>> ...
>>> I started Ebenezer Enterprises because I think marriage
>>> (a man and a woman) is important.  Why is it important?
>>> Because children are important and they deserve to have

>>> both a father and a mother.
>>

>> I normally stay out of these offtopic threads, but that makes no sense
>> to me at all, and I'm curious:
>>
>> /Why/ is that important?  A lot more children grow up with only one
>> parent, or one sane parent and one who's impaired by insanity or drug
>> abuse, or who's beating his partner, or the child has no real parent
>> at all.  A lot of those children grown up okay.  So why is it a
>> problem if both parents are men, or women?  After all, parenting
>> doesn't involve using your genitals.
>>
>> “Blind guides, who strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel” comes
>> to mind.
>>
>> I'm not PC, and I am saddened by Leigh's endless trolling, which may
>> have provoked you to write things you really don't believe much -- but
>> this is obvious to me.  It's also obvious to Christian friends of
>> mine.  Why isn't it obvious to you?
>
> You are in error, Jorgen.
>
> The Bible is absolutely clear that marriage was intended by God to
> be only between a man a woman.  If you look at the Law of Moses, it
> contains death for homosexuals.  If you look at the destruction of
> Sodom and Gomorrah you see that God destroyed those cities before
> the day of judgment as a warning to the rest of them.
>
> In the New Testament, Paul calls homosexuality a vile affection,
> an error, and states that those who engage in such things have
> turned against God and nature and are doing things which are
> inconvenient and are of a reprobate mind (Romans 1:26-27):
> https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1&version=KJV
>
> We also have the direct passage which states that homosexuality
> will literally keep someone out of Heaven, and that includes all
> who agree with homosexuality even if they do not actively engage
> in it with their own bodies:
> https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6%3A9-10&version=KJV
>
>
> You'll note the quote there:  "abusers of themselves with
> mankind."  This was the term for homosexuality when the King
> James Bible was written in the early 1600s.  More modern
> translations have it written in our words:
> https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6%3A9-10&version=ISV
>
> https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6%3A9-10&version=NIV
>
>
> And in general Biblical philosophy you have God creating them
> male and female, stating it was not good for the man to be alone
> when He had only at that time made Adam.  He put Adam to sleep
> and brought him someone to keep him from being alone, and it was
> Eve.  The Bible records that for this reason will a man leave
> his mother and father and go and be united to his wife and the
> two shall no longer be twain, but shall be one flesh.
>
> And then there is the bride of Christ (the church) being married
> in eternity to the Bridegroom (Jesus), such that we are going to
> receive all He has through this marriage, as He receives all we
> have, just as our marriages here on Earth.
>
> Gay marriage is a complete abomination against God.  It is
> literally Satan's teaching regarding a false form of "love" that
> is used to describe that type of relationship.  Satan is trying
> to grant to the meaning of "love" an abomination before God,
> trying to deceive us through our flesh-based reasoning mind,
> such that we will buy into the concept that "love is love" and
> the like.
>
> -----
> The truth remains solidly given to mankind by God, and nobody
> who embraces homosexuality will enter into Heaven, unless they
> repent and ask forgiveness for their sin ... and this remains
> true no matter what percentage of the population says, "No, it
> is okay to be gay."

>
> It never is okay to be gay as it goes against everything God
> has established in His creation here for the understanding of
> man on the Earth.

I came across this today and found it interesting. It gives the
definition of marriage in Noah Webster's first American dictionary
from 1828, and indicates the type of marriage that was intended by
God, taught by God, and the apostles in the New Testament. It is
the form that would've existed before the 20th century:

http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/marriage

MAR'RIAGE, noun [Latin mas, maris.] The act of uniting a man
and woman for life; wedlock; the legal union of a man and woman
for life. marriage is a contract both civil and religious, by
which the parties engage to live together in mutual affection
and fidelity, till death shall separate them. marriage was
instituted by God himself for the purpose of preventing the
promiscuous intercourse of the sexes, for promoting domestic
felicity, and for securing the maintenance and education of
children.

Marriage is honorable in all and the bed undefiled.
Hebrews 13:4

1. A feast made on the occasion of a marriage

The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king, who made a
marriage for his son. Matthew 22:2.

2. In a scriptural sense, the union between Christ and his
church by the covenant of grace. Revelation 19:7.

This last portion, "the union between Christ and his church" is
the whole crux of the matter. God has given us an Earthly pattern
of the future marriage of the church (believers) and Christ in
eternity.

We will be married to God, and Him to us, and what He has will be
ours, and what we have will be His, just as in Earthly marriages
today when the possessions of both spouses become community
property.

That wasn't setup for no reason. It has a Biblical foundation,
and was the guidance God gave us as a proper course for young
people as they go through life: to marry, leave their mothe
and father, and then raise their own family. It is God's natural
plan for mankind, and it is the pattern we have to understand how
the close, personal relationship between us and God will be in
eternity. As spouses know so much more than other people about
their spouse, so we will be intimate with God in that close
relational way.

-----
Some others:

http://webstersdictionary1828.com/NoahWebster
http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/sin
http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/faith
http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/prayer
http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/education

We see the effect of a decline in education today in our world-
wide societies, and especially so in America where even our
presidents have abandoned God and brought forth abhorrent ideas
in His sight.

Noah Webster wrote in the definition:
"...To give children a good education in manners, arts
and science, is important; to give them a religious
education is indispensable; and an immense responsibility
rests on parents and guardians who neglect these duties."

There is a punishment for parents who do not teach their children
correctly before God. Children are naturally trusting. They are
born with their trust turned on. And when we teach them things,
they take them at face value. The teachings of the children
learned by the teaching (or lack of teaching) by the parents is
conveyed unto their children. The Bible takes a very dim view on
those who cause one of God's little ones to stumble, as all
children will start out believing in God if you teach them. It
is written to their inner core, but the sin nature of this world
can take that away. It's why we find:


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+22%3A6&version=KJV

6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is
old, he will not depart from it.

God wants us to raise up God-fearing children, so they are serving
Him in this world, loving people, helping people, doing good, not
doing wrong. It's not a form of control mechanism invented by man
or the state, though some men have usurped its existence and used
it for that purpose. The true root is from God, as God wants His
creation doing right and teaching one another aptly.

[Jorgen Grahn]

On Thu, 2017-08-17, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
...

> You are in error, Jorgen.

...

> The truth remains solidly given to mankind by God, and nobody
> who embraces homosexuality will enter into Heaven, unless they
> repent and ask forgiveness for their sin ... and this remains
> true no matter what percentage of the population says, "No, it
> is okay to be gay."

Late reply, but I'll just note that I believe loving and having sex
with the wrong kind of people comes far down on God's list of sins.
Not to mention raising a child together with an unusual partner.

Compared to things we all probably do, like buying goods produced by
child slave labor, and breaking the Golden Rule in general -- I'd find
that much harder to explain.

I also think you deep down agree with me on this.

You may quote the Bible as response, but it will mean little to me,
being an agnostic since the age of four, and an atheist since the age
of six or so. Sorry about that.

/Jorgen

--
// Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . .
\X/ snipabacken.se> O o .

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 9/2/2017 3:36 AM, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> On Thu, 2017-08-17, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> ...
>> You are in error, Jorgen.
> ...
>> The truth remains solidly given to mankind by God, and nobody
>> who embraces homosexuality will enter into Heaven, unless they
>> repent and ask forgiveness for their sin ... and this remains
>> true no matter what percentage of the population says, "No, it
>> is okay to be gay."
>
> Late reply, but I'll just note that I believe loving and having sex
> with the wrong kind of people comes far down on God's list of sins.

God doesn't delineate between sin. To sin in the smallest degree
is to sin against all of the Law. And even the smallest sin results
in death of the soul.

God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah before the day of judgment as a
warning to other nations:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+19&version=KJV

4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men
of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all
the people from every quarter:
5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the
men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us,
that we may ----know---- them.

That word "know" in this context is Strong's 3045:

http://biblehub.com/lexicon/genesis/19-5.htm
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/3045.htm

It is the same word used in this passage:

http://biblehub.com/lexicon/genesis/4-1.htm

1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare
Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

We learn in the New Testament the reason why Sodom and Gomorrah
were destroyed before the day of judgment:

http://biblehub.com/jude/1-7.htm

7 (KJV) just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around
them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross
immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as
an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

7 (NIV) In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding
towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion.
They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of
eternal fire.

> Not to mention raising a child together with an unusual partner.

You're reasoning through man's reasoning, not listening to God or
His direction.

Marriage on Earth is a foreshadowing of the eternal marriage all who
are saved will have with Jesus. Marriage between a man and a woman
is a natural, close, personal relationship which is given naturally
to design.


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+19%3A7&version=KJV

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the
marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself
ready.

The church is the bride, and she has made herself ready by trusting
in the Lord, and being washed free from sin by receiving what Jesus
did for us at the cross.

> Compared to things we all probably do, like buying goods produced by
> child slave labor, and breaking the Golden Rule in general -- I'd find
> that much harder to explain.

You're reasoning through man's reasoning.

To be sure, those things you mention are harmful and heinous, and
they do much harm to people here on the Earth, but any degree of
sin destroys a soul. God looks at the soul condition of people
because He is eternal. God looks at the eternal state of each
man and sees all sin as damning. Here upon Earth, He cares about
us and calls us not to be that way as those bad people you're
describing, but we also learn that only by turning to Him and
following Him and obeying Him and being obedient to His guidance
are we able to overcome sin's influence upon us here in this
world, because only Jesus Christ empowers us to be that way by
the change which comes when we ask Him to forgive our sin.

God calls us to be right and true and proper and holy in our lives.
He does not call us to do bad things. But moreso than that, He
calls us to come to His Son and ask forgiveness so our eternal
soul is saved. Once that happens, then we are able to see and
understand correctly how to proceed in this world, because He is
there guiding and directing us spiritually, and because of our
new spirit nature (born again nature) we are able to respond to
that guidance.

> I also think you deep down agree with me on this.

I agree that things done here in the flesh are bad, and there are
degrees of things done which do little harm to the flesh and our
lives here in the flesh, and things which do much harm to the flesh
and our lives here in the flesh, but the focus of the Christian is
on our eternal soul state.

Sin destroys a soul, and God's focus is on saving men, not making
our flesh-based lives better, though obedience to Him naturally
lends us to having better flesh-based lives.

> You may quote the Bible as response, but it will mean little to me,
> being an agnostic since the age of four, and an atheist since the age
> of six or so. Sorry about that.

I quote the Bible so you know the things I teach are not my own
creation, but I am teaching you the things God has given to mankind.

-----
Read it or not. Learn from His teaching or not. My teaching to you
is in accordance with God's guidance, that I present before you the
truth accurately. It is not my job to convince you. That is God's
job alone.

Having received this reply, you make a choice about what you'll do
with this information. It will either work toward your salvation,
or serve as a witness against you in your damnation. The path you
take is yours, Jorgen, not mine.

[Mr Flibble]

I was a negative/implicit/weak atheist the day I was born and a
positive/explicit/strong atheist from about the time I was able to
process the concept of gods as explained to me (probably also aged
around six) so I have been an atheist my entire life!

I have identified as agnostic atheist (after giving agnosticism some
thought) for probably the last 5 years or so.

For the past couple of years I have also started to think that perhaps
the Mathematical Universe Hypothesis (MUH) is true in which case our
universe is a simulation that probably exists within another simulated
universe in which case the chance of simulated gods existing is quite
high as their supernatural powers would be evolutionary advantageous and
one assumes evolution is pervasive and even happens within mathematical
structures. Of course there is no way of knowing if our universe is
simulated or not (unless a simulated god manifests) so I remain agnostic
on the issue.

/Flibble

[David Brown]

On 02/09/17 09:36, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> On Thu, 2017-08-17, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> ...
>> You are in error, Jorgen.
> ...
>> The truth remains solidly given to mankind by God, and nobody
>> who embraces homosexuality will enter into Heaven, unless they
>> repent and ask forgiveness for their sin ... and this remains
>> true no matter what percentage of the population says, "No, it
>> is okay to be gay."
>
> Late reply, but I'll just note that I believe loving and having sex
> with the wrong kind of people comes far down on God's list of sins.
> Not to mention raising a child together with an unusual partner.
>
> Compared to things we all probably do, like buying goods produced by
> child slave labor, and breaking the Golden Rule in general -- I'd find
> that much harder to explain.
>

Be careful about generalising the Golden Rule - it can go too far. See
#8 on this list for useful advice.

<http://flyingspaghettimonster.wikia.com/wiki/The_Eight_I%27d_Really_Rather_You_Didn%27ts>