Re: My Delphi projects work with C++Builder..

[Bonita Montero]

Am 16.11.2019 um 17:23 schrieb Wisdom90:
> Hello,
> My Delphi projects work with C++Builder..
> Here is C++Builder: https://www.embarcadero.com/products/cbuilder
> Here is how to use my Delphi projects with C++Builder:
> Mixing Delphi and C++
> https://community.idera.com/developer-tools/b/blog/posts/mixing-delphi-and-c

No one has the weird idea to mix Delphi and C++. And often there is code
with generic classes which can't be mixed. Accept it or not: Delphi is
and will never be relevant in the world of sw-development. At the time
when Delphi hit the market, the train for Pascal-derivatives had already
come to an end.

[Wisdom90]

You are not understanding, C++ is easy for me, i can learn it much more
easily and quickly.


Thank you,
Amine Moulay Ramdane.

[Bonita Montero]

>> No one has the weird idea to mix Delphi and C++. And often there is code
>> with generic classes which can't be mixed. Accept it or not: Delphi is
>> and will never be relevant in the world of sw-development. At the time
>> when Delphi hit the market, the train for Pascal-derivatives had already
>> come to an end.

> You are not understanding, C++ is easy for me, i can learn it much more
> easily and quickly.

C++ isn't an easy language and even if you have been programming for a
long time you will hit subtleties again and again.

[Jorgen Grahn]

On Sat, 2019-11-16, Bonita Montero wrote:
> Am 16.11.2019 um 17:23 schrieb Wisdom90:
>> Hello,
>> My Delphi projects work with C++Builder..
>> Here is C++Builder: https://www.embarcadero.com/products/cbuilder
>> Here is how to use my Delphi projects with C++Builder:
>> Mixing Delphi and C++
>> https://community.idera.com/developer-tools/b/blog/posts/mixing-delphi-and-c
>
> No one has the weird idea to mix Delphi and C++.

Please don't crosspost Amine's crazy threads into this group!
Unless you really /are/ trying to damage it.

/Jorgen

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[Cholo Lennon]

Mixing Delphi and C++ (C++ Builder) is not a crazy idea. Actually it is
very common in the "world" of Embarcadero (the company that currently
own those tools). Why is very common? Because the GUI libraries (VCL and
FireMonKey) that are used by C++ Builder are built with Delphi. The
interoperability between both languages is really easy if you follow
some simple rules... just compile with one compiler and use it with the
other (of course, there a lot of C++ features that cannot be used in
Delphi).

Last but not least, accept it or not: Delphi is still relevant in the
world of software development (I know, the TIOBE index is not best
source, but check it too see Delphi there on top of go, rust,
TypeScript, Scala, Dart, Visual Basic, etc)

Regards

--
Cholo Lennon
Bs.As.
ARG

[David Brown]

On 16/11/2019 18:42, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> On Sat, 2019-11-16, Bonita Montero wrote:
>> Am 16.11.2019 um 17:23 schrieb Wisdom90:
>>> Hello,
>>> My Delphi projects work with C++Builder..
>>> Here is C++Builder: https://www.embarcadero.com/products/cbuilder
>>> Here is how to use my Delphi projects with C++Builder:
>>> Mixing Delphi and C++
>>> https://community.idera.com/developer-tools/b/blog/posts/mixing-delphi-and-c
>>
>> No one has the weird idea to mix Delphi and C++.
>
> Please don't crosspost Amine's crazy threads into this group!
> Unless you really /are/ trying to damage it.
>

Bonita specifically started the thread "Task for Amine", in order to
insult the guy, and start a "fight" thread. We all know Amine makes
annoying posts, but that is because he is clearly not quite right in the
head. But Bonita's posts recently are bring a whole new level of
nastiness into it. It is really unpleasant.

[Bonita Montero]

> Bonita specifically started the thread "Task for Amine", in order to
> insult the guy, and start a "fight" thread.

No, that's not a fight. I thought he could be encouraged to write his
code in a language which is more accepted and write code for a problem
that he might like since he had done a lot of parallel code.

[Bonita Montero]

> Mixing Delphi and C++ (C++ Builder) is not a crazy idea. Actually it is
> very common in the "world" of Embarcadero (the company that currently
> own those tools). Why is very common? Because the GUI libraries (VCL and
> FireMonKey) that are used by C++ Builder are built with Delphi.

Ok, that might be right. But you usually write code on your own which
mixes Delphi and C++ in the same project.

> Last but not least, accept it or not: Delphi is still relevant in the
> world of software development (I know, the TIOBE index is not best
> source, but check it too see Delphi there on top of go, rust,
> TypeScript, Scala, Dart, Visual Basic, etc)

Delphi is about as relevant as COBOL. ;-)

[Ian Collins]

On 17/11/2019 06:42, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>
> Please don't crosspost Amine's crazy threads into this group!
> Unless you really /are/ trying to damage it.

Trolls do what trolls do...

--
Ian.

[Jorgen Grahn]

I think I remember from earlier discussions that we have different
definitions of "troll" -- mine is "someone whose goal is to disrupt
discussion". Until now I've assumed BM isn't a troll, acts in good
faith -- but has some kind of social handicap.

The end result is the same, though, and I agree that interaction with
BM here is pointless.

[Wisdom90]

Hello,


Five reasons to learn Delphi

https://jonlennartaasenden.wordpress.com/2019/02/08/5reasons/

[Bonita Montero]

>>> Last but not least, accept it or not: Delphi is still relevant in the
>>> world of software development (I know, the TIOBE index is not best
>>> source, but check it too see Delphi there on top of go, rust,
>>> TypeScript, Scala, Dart, Visual Basic, etc)

>> Delphi is about as relevant as COBOL. ;-)

> Hello,
> Five reasons to learn Delphi
> https://jonlennartaasenden.wordpress.com/2019/02/08/5reasons/

And the best: if you want to get an employment as a Delphi-developer
you have to move away very far.

[Mr Flibble]

On 16/11/2019 18:32, Bonita Montero wrote:
>> Mixing Delphi and C++ (C++ Builder) is not a crazy idea. Actually it is
>> very common in the "world" of Embarcadero (the company that currently
>> own those tools). Why is very common? Because the GUI libraries (VCL and
>> FireMonKey) that are used by C++ Builder are built with Delphi.
>
> Ok, that might be right. But you usually write code on your own which
> mixes Delphi and C++ in the same project.

I am making a universal compiler that can compile ANY programming language
and that allows you to mix ANY programming language with ANY OTHER
programming language in the same source file.

/Flibble

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world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say."

[Cholo Lennon]

Well, a month ago I received an offer on Linkedin (Delphi Software
Developer), I have to confess that that surprised me :-O (my last
contact with Delphi/C++ Builder was 15 years ago). In some parts of
Argentina, Delphi is still relevant, but of course, not like years ago.
It's a very good product IMHO, but it's proprietary, very expensive and
the cool kids today use web interfaces even in the desktop land :-O

Regards

Cholo Lennon
Bs.As.
ARG

[David Brown]

No, you didn't. There are many ways to describe you based on your
postings - "stupid" is not one of them.

[David Brown]

COBOL is massively relevant - even today. I am not convinced by the
estimates I have read of the quantity of COBOL code written in recent
years, but even if they are out by a couple of orders of magnitude,
COBOL is still a huge industry and a major programming language.

In the same vein, Delphi is a major language / development tool, with a
very large base in commercial companies. It is relatively small in the
world of open source, sourceforge, github, etc., and so on. When you
are using close source software on Windows, you won't know it is written
in Delphi - but it might well be.

And yes, there is plenty of software that mixes C++ and Delphi.

[Melzzzzz]

Delphi is for small one shot projects... usefull for single developer
when she wants to deliver fast. Used C++ Builder in 90es. Served it's
purpose...
>


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[Öö Tiib]

On Saturday, 16 November 2019 22:55:30 UTC+2, David Brown wrote:
>
> COBOL is massively relevant - even today. I am not convinced by the
> estimates I have read of the quantity of COBOL code written in recent
> years, but even if they are out by a couple of orders of magnitude,
> COBOL is still a huge industry and a major programming language.

Lot of companies that are more than 35 years old have some part of
their bookkeeping written in COBOL. In my experience it is so more
often than not with such companies. And our worldly economy stands
on shoulders of companies that are more than 35 years old (and people
who are more than 35 years old). In effort to modernize COBOL it was
AFAIK standardized to be object-oriented since 2002.

[Bo Persson]

And not only bookkeeping. :-)

I recently worked for a bank with about 500 COBOL developers doing all
the heavy data lifting.

Even when you have a smart phone app accessing a server written in Java,
the Java code will send all the transactions to the COBOL back end for
validation and data base accesses.

This doesn't show up in the Tiobe index, because it is all closed source
and the 50 year old developers don't ask COBOL questions on any net
forum. :-)


Bo Persson

[Melzzzzz]

Much older then 35 years, actually in pension maybe, by now..

[Melzzzzz]

I have 50 years and Cobol programers now enjoying pension...
>
>
> Bo Persson

[David Brown]

On 16/11/2019 22:27, Melzzzzz wrote:
>
> Delphi is for small one shot projects... usefull for single developer
> when she wants to deliver fast. Used C++ Builder in 90es. Served it's
> purpose...

It is - and perhaps that is mostly the case. But it is also used in
some massive projects (I know of a few). When it came out, the only
serious RAD tool for Windows was Visual Basic. There was nothing
remotely similar for C++. If you wanted to be able to make a GUI
program for Windows without a great deal of manual labour, and you
wanted a strongly typed, structured compiled programming language,
Delphi was your tool of choice.

Its heyday has long past, but projects often have history - there are a
lot of programs that continue to be developed in Delphi simply because
they were originally developed in Delphi. It is a lot less common as a
choice for new software projects.

[Melzzzzz]

On 2019-11-16, David Brown <david...@hesbynett.no> wrote:

For what is worth, I think that Delphi is most used in eastern
countries... Russia come to my mind...

[Bonita Montero]

> COBOL is massively relevant - even today.

When I check sites that offer jobs I find two magnitudes more offers
for Java-developers than for COBOL-developers (C++ has almost vanished).

[Bonita Montero]

>> No, that's not a fight. I thought he could be encouraged to write his
>> code in a language which is more accepted and write code for a problem
>> that he might like since he had done a lot of parallel code.

> No, you didn't.  There are many ways to describe you based on your
> postings - "stupid" is not one of them.

You can't read my mind.

[Bo Persson]

That's because you can get Java-developers just out of school by putting
out job ads.

The COBOL guys are mostly older and not particularly looking for new
jobs - so not reading the ads anyway. If you want to find one, you have
to head-hunt.


Making lots of noise on the internet isn't the best measure of popularity.



Bo Persson

[David Brown]

Right... so you are stupid, not nasty? Okay, I'll take your word for it.