OT: Association for Orthodox Jewish Scientists

[woodb...@gmail.com]

The Association for Orthodox Jewish Scientists is
meeting this weekend.

http://www.aojs.org/

They have existed for over 60 years. I wonder if
there are any computer scientists in the group. :)

Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - So far G-d has helped us.
http://webEbenezer.net

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, February 14, 2016 at 10:46:28 AM UTC-6, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> The Association for Orthodox Jewish Scientists is
> meeting this weekend.
>
> http://www.aojs.org/
>
> They have existed for over 60 years.
>

I'm blessed today to learn of a parallel organization
also on American soil --

Sinai and Synapses

http://sinaiandsynapses.org/

Their Mission

Sinai and Synapses offers people a worldview that is
both scientifically grounded and spiritually uplifting.
It provides tools and language for learning and living
to the millions of people who see science as their ally
as they pursue personal growth and the repair of our world.

Through classes, seminars, lectures, videos and writings,
it helps create a vision of religion that embraces critical
thinking and scientific inquiry, and at the same time,
gives meaning to people's lives and helps them make a
positive impact on society.

It is incubated at Clal - The National Jewish Center for
Learning and Leadership, which links Jewish wisdom with
innovative scholarship to deepen civic and spiritual
participation in American life.

Their Methods

Sinai and Synapses explores big questions from both religious
and scientific perspectives, and achieves its mission through
several programs, activities, and learning opportunities.

Adult education classes, with courses such as "There Are
Places I Remember: How Memory Works (And How It Doesn't),"
"This is Your Brain on Judaism," "Faith in a Scientific Age,"
and "The Morality Stereo System: Why Liberals and
Conservatives Can't Seem to Listen to Each Other."

Seminars for our Sinai and Synapses Fellows, bringing
together clergy and scientists to learn together from
the top scholars in both the religious and scientific
worlds, and then to create programs and facilitate
discussions on topics such as "Are We Using Technology,
or Is Technology Using Us?"

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This is great news.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
http://webEbenezer.net

[Mr Flibble]

Is cuntflaps a word? I think it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7kTYyOMylQ

/Flibble

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 7:39:57 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:

Leigh, vulgarity isn't helpful.

[Gareth Owen]

woodb...@gmail.com writes:

> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 7:39:57 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>
> Leigh, vulgarity isn't helpful.

Neithers proselytising so we'll call it a draw.
(Leigh wins the tie-break, based on brevity).

[Juha Nieminen]

woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> Leigh, vulgarity isn't helpful.

I know that you have this belief that pretty much amounts to your
words having magic behind them, because you think that when you preach,
your god will supernaturally start affecting people's minds and maybe
convert them to your religion. (You of course shove aside the question
of why your god is so weak that he needs and intermediate like you to
preach his word to people, but that's besides the point.)

But you should just accept reality. Your words are not magical.
Your "god" will not bestow them with magical power. Your "god" will
not have any more or less effect on people depending on how many
preaching word you spout to them. Your "god" will not start influencing
people just because you preached to them.

The only thing you are achieving with your proselytizing is to make
yourself sound pushy and insufferable. But of course that's what you
indirectly want: To feel a victim of antipathy and hatred, because
that will bolster your sense of being alone against the big bad world.
It makes you feel special.

Just stop it, and start acting like a normal likeable human being.
You can believe whatever you want, but when you start pushing those
beliefs onto others, you are only going to gain antipathy. And this
self-victimization will only give you pleasure for so long; in the
long run it won't be worth it. You will only get depressed and isolated.
For your own sake, just start acting like a normal reasonable human
being.

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[Richard]

[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]

woodb...@gmail.com spake the secret code
<736c6195-7eac-4e41...@googlegroups.com> thusly:

>[completely unrelated to C++ posting]

You see, this is why religious nutjobs like you are not respected. (Note:
I am calling him a "religious nutjob" as a noun phrase and not saying that
all religious people are notjubs. I don't object to religious people,
but I object to religious nutjobs.)

You've got that stick so far up your ass that you just can't control
yourself and stick to the topic of this newsgroup. You just *have* to
abuse everything within your grasp in order to beat people over the
head with your unsolicited message.

Take it to a religious newsgroup where it is within the charter. If
you're going to post to comp.lang.c++ then do what Jesus would do
(since you hold him as your example to follow) and stick to the topic.
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[Mr Flibble]

On 17/03/2016 01:18, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 7:39:57 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>
> Leigh, vulgarity isn't helpful.

God has cuntflaps doesn't she Brian?

/Flibble

[Cholo Lennon]

+1

I wouldn't have it written better.

--
Cholo Lennon
Bs.As.
ARG

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 5:45:41 AM UTC-5, Juha Nieminen wrote:
>
> I know that you have this belief that pretty much amounts to your
> words having magic behind them, because you think that when you preach,
> your god will supernaturally start affecting people's minds and maybe
> convert them to your religion. (You of course shove aside the question
> of why your god is so weak that he needs and intermediate like you to
> preach his word to people, but that's besides the point.)
>
> But you should just accept reality. Your words are not magical.
> Your "god" will not bestow them with magical power. Your "god" will
> not have any more or less effect on people depending on how many
> preaching word you spout to them. Your "god" will not start influencing
> people just because you preached to them.
>
> The only thing you are achieving with your proselytizing is to make
> yourself sound pushy and insufferable. But of course that's what you
> indirectly want: To feel a victim of antipathy and hatred, because
> that will bolster your sense of being alone against the big bad world.
> It makes you feel special.

I recall discussing Noah and the ark with you previously.
Here's how Peter, one of Yeshua's (aka Jesus) disciples
wrote about Noah:

"For if G-d did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast
them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness,
reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world,
but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven
others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly"
2nd Peter 2:4,5

I see a few similarities between myself and Noah -- I've
also been working on a big project and I encourage
righteousness. Noah's preaching wasn't very successful
in terms of persuading people. Noah is faulted by some
of the sages:


G-d said to Noah . . . "Make yourself an ark" (6:13-14)

G-d has many ways to save someone; why did He make Noah
toil to build the ark? In order that the people of his
generation should see him occupied with the task for 120
years, and they should ask him, "Why are you doing this?"
and he would tell them that G-d is bringing a flood upon
the world. Perhaps this would cause them to repent.

(Rashi; Midrash Tanchuma)

When G-d said to Noah, "The end of all flesh has come before Me,"
Noah said: "What will You do with me?" But he did not pray for
mercy for the world, as Abraham would pray for the city of Sodom. . . .
This is why the Flood is called "the waters of Noah" (Isaiah 54:9)--
he is culpable for them, because he did not appeal for mercy on
the world's behalf.

(Zohar)

Noah tried to save his generation by calling on them to repent.
But the fact that he did not pray for them implies that,
ultimately, it did not matter to him what became of them. Had he
truly cared, he would not have sufficed with "doing his best,"
but would have implored the Almighty to repeal His decree of
destruction--just as a person whose own life is in danger would
never say, "Well, I did my best to save myself" and leave it
at that, but would beseech G-d to help him.

In other words, Noah's involvement with others was limited to
his sense of what he ought to do for them, as opposed to a true
concern for their well-being. He understood the necessity to
act for the sake of another, recognizing that to fail to do so
is a defect in one's own character; but he fell short of
transcending the self to care for others beyond the
consideration of his own righteousness.

This also explains a curious aspect of Noah's efforts to reach
out to his generation. When the Flood came, Noah and his family
entered the ark--alone. His 120-year campaign yielded not a single
baal teshuvah (repentant)! Perhaps public relations was never
Noah's strong point, but how are we to explain the fact that in
all this time he failed to win over a single individual?

But in order to influence others, one's motives must be pure;
in the words of our sages, "Words that come from the heart
enter the heart." Deep down, a person will always sense whether
you truly have his interests at heart, or you are filling a
need of your own by seeking to change him. If your work to
enlighten your fellow stems from a desire to "do the right
thing" but without really caring about the result, your call
will be met with scant response. The echo of personal motive,
be it the most laudable of personal motives, will be sensed,
if only subconsciously, by the object of your efforts, and
will ultimately put him off.

(The Lubavitcher Rebbe)

Yeah, so sadly I'm similar to Noah in terms of his
weaknesses also. G-d knows that I'm often a mess of pride,
lust and apathy. I'm paraphrasing something there from
the band switchfoot -- www.switchfoot.com .

>
> Just stop it, and start acting like a normal likeable human being.
> You can believe whatever you want, but when you start pushing those
> beliefs onto others, you are only going to gain antipathy. And this
> self-victimization will only give you pleasure for so long; in the
> long run it won't be worth it. You will only get depressed and isolated.
> For your own sake, just start acting like a normal reasonable human
> being.
>
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I admit to being a Yeshua (Jesus) Freak. G-d died for my
sins and I owe everything to Him. I'm like the "living
sacrifice" that Paul wrote about. Unfortunately, I have
a tendency to crawl off of the altar -- to try to save myself.
It doesn't work though. Depression and isolation are nothing
new to the prophets and other biblical figures or to followers
of Yeshua. "Many are the afflictions of the righteous ..."
Salvation/rescue is also part of our story. I'm thinking
about how Moses had led the Israelites out of Egypt and
Pharoah pursued them with his army. The Israelites were
pinned with their backs to a sea and Pharoah's chariots
descending on them. G-d rescued their butts though and I'm
here to rejoice over their victory and my victories over
the powers of darkness. Ebenezer Enterprises is doing
better than ever by the grace of G-d. I'm also happy to
learn about Sinai and Synapses and want to give them a
shout out for the work they are doing.

Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - See quotes above.
http://webEbenezer.net

[Mr Flibble]

If you honestly think that Noah actually existed and the flood actually
happened then you are beyond help mate.

/Flibble

[Juha Nieminen]

woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> Depression and isolation are nothing
> new to the prophets and other biblical figures or to followers
> of Yeshua.

You are deliberately seeking for antipathy and hatred with your
holier-than-thou attitude. You are self-victimizing. You revel
in the backlash. It makes you feel virtuous and holy. It makes
you feel special.

You are deluding yourself, and deliberately making yourself an
insufferable, annoying person. You are deliberately making people
detest you. And for what? Do you honestly think you are receiving
some kind of "heaven points" by doing that? You do honestly think
that your "salvation" is dependent on you ostracizing yourself and
annoying other people? Do you honestly think that your god will
like you more when you make people hate you? Do you honestly think
that your god wants you to be a self-imposed martyr?

[David Brown]

On 17/03/16 23:55, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:

> I see a few similarities between myself and Noah -- I've
> also been working on a big project and I encourage
> righteousness. Noah's preaching wasn't very successful
> in terms of persuading people. Noah is faulted by some
> of the sages:
>

Suppose we assume for a moment that Noah existed, spend 120 years
building the ark, etc., as though the Bible story was precise, literal
and accurate history (and that is a /huge/ assumption, which very few
people, even amongst dedicated Jews or Christians, actually believe).

You are comparing yourself to Noah, and your "C++ Middleware C++ Writer"
to the ark. The ark was what saved the entire human race, and every
animal species on the planet, from being completely wiped out by God's
fit of anger. Your project generates code to store C++ objects in
files. With a quick googling, I could not find a single reference to
the project that was not directly from you. Now, it may be a fine piece
of code, and it may be useful to some people - but you are /not/ saving
the world or the human race.

So don't you think your comparison here is just a little bit
unreasonable - perhaps a touch on the megalomaniac side?


Oh, and being bad at proselytizing and preaching is not something to be
proud of. Some people are good at that sort of thing, others are bad.
You are bad - your religious posts will do more to chase away potential
converts than to help win them to your side. So if you truly believe in
your God, and truly believe that /everyone/ should also believe as you
do, then please do the right thing - keep quite about it in a newsgroup
like this. And if anyone asks you for information, point them in the
direction of the nearest church, preacher, website, etc., and then keep
quiet.

But if you are in fact the devil in disguise, then maybe you want to
continue to show people that religion turns your brain to mush, forces
you to accept the blatantly impossible, and destroys your social skills.

[Melzzzzz]

On 3/18/16 11:19 AM, David Brown wrote:
> On 17/03/16 23:55, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I see a few similarities between myself and Noah -- I've
>> also been working on a big project and I encourage
>> righteousness. Noah's preaching wasn't very successful
>> in terms of persuading people. Noah is faulted by some
>> of the sages:
>>
>

...

>
> You are comparing yourself to Noah, and your "C++ Middleware C++ Writer"
> to the ark.

No need to bash him. Post is harmless...

[Mr Flibble]

Coding needs to be an inclusive and, ideally, a mathematically and
scientifically sound activity which means it should also be a secular
activity. There are plenty of religiously themed newsgroups or Facebook
to post religious bollocks to.

/Flibble

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 5:17:09 AM UTC-5, Juha Nieminen wrote:
>
> You are deliberately seeking for antipathy and hatred with your
> holier-than-thou attitude. You are self-victimizing. You revel
> in the backlash. It makes you feel virtuous and holy. It makes
> you feel special.

Years ago I worked at IBM, American Express and
Southwest Airlines. This was before they drifted
away from the biblical understanding of marriage.
In the 1990s I saw some of the junk that was coming
down the pike so I started a company to escape from
being compelled to contribute to things I think are
wrong. Religious liberty is worth dying for.
Remember the Alamo? (I don't think you are an American,
but you can look it up if you want.)

I started the company because my back was against the
wall. Like the Israelites who were pursued by Pharoah,
my only option was to trust G-d. That was in 1999.
Since then G-d has helped me to build the company.

>
> You are deluding yourself, and deliberately making yourself an
> insufferable, annoying person. You are deliberately making people
> detest you. And for what? Do you honestly think you are receiving
> some kind of "heaven points" by doing that? You do honestly think
> that your "salvation" is dependent on you ostracizing yourself and
> annoying other people? Do you honestly think that your god will
> like you more when you make people hate you? Do you honestly think
> that your god wants you to be a self-imposed martyr?
>

Consider these verses:

"He was despised and forsaken of men, A man of sorrows
and acquainted with grief; And like one from whom men
hide their face He was despised, and we did not esteem
Him. Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows
He carried; Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of G-d, and afflicted." Isaiah 53:3,4

Many Bible believers, including myself, think those
verses describe Yeshua/Jesus. At any rate, there's
this example of a man who was rejected and considered
to be a fool. "He played the fool and He opened our
eyes." After Yeshua there was Paul. Paul was very
blunt and not afraid to express himself. Some hated
Paul and others loved him. I'm with those who loved
him.

What my views boil down to is that the ideal
situation for children is to have a father and a
mother. The diversity of a marriage with a man
and a woman makes it strong. For example, what
good are breasts that aren't producing milk to a
baby? But breasts that are producing milk, due
to a pregnancy, work great.

See also

www.dailywire.com
www.dennisprager.com
http://pragertopia.com/
www.onenewsnow.com

for further defense of my views.

Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - "In fact, everyone who wants to
live a G-dly life in Messiah Yeshua (Jesus) will be
persecuted" 2nd Timothy 3:12

http://webEbenezer.net

[Cholo Lennon]

Why can't you understand that this is a group about C++, not a religion
one? We don't want your religious views here! Why you preach about your
beliefs in every post? I am sick and tired of you. I am agnostic, can
you respect that? Although I don't like religions, I always respect all
religious people, but there is a limit, this is the limit. The old
saying "your rights end where mine begin" is applicable here. You are
sick man, really sick, your head is not working. You are a fanatical, a
bigot.

Let's talk about programming, yes?

[Scott Lurndal]

woodb...@gmail.com writes:
>On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 5:17:09 AM UTC-5, Juha Nieminen wrote:
>>
>> You are deliberately seeking for antipathy and hatred with your
>> holier-than-thou attitude. You are self-victimizing. You revel
>> in the backlash. It makes you feel virtuous and holy. It makes
>> you feel special.
>
>Years ago I worked at IBM, American Express and

Why do you think anyone in comp.lang.c++ gives a shit?

[Gareth Owen]

woodb...@gmail.com writes:

> Years ago I worked at IBM, American Express and Southwest Airlines.
> This was before they drifted away from the biblical understanding of
> marriage.

> I started the company because my back was against the wall. Like the
> Israelites who were pursued by Pharoah, my only option was to trust
> G-d. That was in 1999. Since then G-d has helped me to build the
> company.

IBM, American Express and Southwest Airlines have a combined operating
income of $26 billion. It seems that God has helped them a lot more.

Could it be that not being a judgmental asshole is more pleasing to God?

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:08:40 PM UTC-5, gwowen wrote:
>
> IBM, American Express and Southwest Airlines have a combined operating
> income of $26 billion. It seems that God has helped them a lot more.
>

David against Goliath.

> Could it be that not being a judgmental asshole is more pleasing to God?

If speaking up for babies and children is being
judgmental, so be it.


Brian

[Mr Flibble]

Ah thanks for reminding us that not only are you a religious bigot you
are a homophobic misogynist religious bigot.

You failed to answer my earlier question Brian: God has cuntflaps
doesn't she?

/Flibble

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 5:02:22 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:

Leigh, you are an anti-religious bigot.


Brian

[Mr Flibble]

On 18/03/2016 22:11, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 5:02:22 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>
> Leigh, you are an anti-religious bigot.

Being anti-religious isn't bigoted because being anti-religion isn't
unreasonable mate.

/Flibble

[Chris Vine]

He may be, but you are an absolute pest. This is a C++ newsgroup but
you repeatedly post off topic posts, mainly involving your religious
convictions.

Why don't you get your head out of your arse, realise that other people
might have rights other than just you, and fuck off to a group which
deals with religious issues.

YOU ARE OFF TOPIC.

Chris

[Gareth Owen]

woodb...@gmail.com writes:

> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:08:40 PM UTC-5, gwowen wrote:
>>
>> IBM, American Express and Southwest Airlines have a combined operating
>> income of $26 billion. It seems that God has helped them a lot more.
>>
>
> David against Goliath.

But David *won* because God favoured him. If your story is David
v. Goliath, with God favouring you -- aren't you supposed to be winning?

Did I miss the point of David v. Goliath?

Is it possible that Goliath won, but that David kept changing Wikipedia
to make it look that he had won?

>> Could it be that not being a judgmental asshole is more pleasing to God?
>
> If speaking up for babies and children is being judgmental, so be it.

What the hell does gay marriage have to do with babies and children?

[Öö Tiib]

On Friday, 18 March 2016 00:56:09 UTC+2, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I admit to being a Yeshua (Jesus) Freak. G-d died for my
> sins and I owe everything to Him.

I also like Jesus of Nazareth. Godhood, miracles or raising
from death can not impress me. I can't believe those things since I am
atheist. I like everything else of him that is left over. His teaching of
goodness. Violence has always raised more violence. Martyrdom of likes
of Jesus of Nazareth (or many others like Giordano Bruno) however
feels pure to me and it has changed our civilization to better one
every time.

Why you need to think that you are like Noah or Moses that saves world
from God's wrath or Pharaoh's chariots through miracle? That is way to
insanity ... the way of The Ingenious Gentleman Don Quixote of La Mancha.
Better be a good and beneficial to people person and they will like
you.

[Mr Flibble]

Jesus of Nazareth never actually existed though. Some historical person
that Jesus might have been partially based on and Jesus are not the same
individual.

But this has very little to do with C++ and just feeds the trolls so I
will stop.

/Flibble

[Öö Tiib]

I wrote that I believe only part of it. That there was a rabbi, son
of carpenter who did teach such unusual altruist ethics to his followers
and was executed because of Jewish priests, lawyers and political leaders
did not like him.

That is rather similar to story of Giordano Bruno who did teach free philosophical and scientific thought and who was executed because of
Italian priests, lawyers and political leaders did not like him.
Especially remarkable is that on case of Giordano Bruno those were
"Christian" priests, lawyers and political leaders.

>
> But this has very little to do with C++ and just feeds the trolls so I
> will stop.

I agree, but I do not think that Brian is troll. He just likely does not
understand that in comp.lang.c++ it is impossible to become a martyr.
Here are no priests, lawyers nor political leaders to execute him. All
he can achieve here is being nutjob Don Quixote and to do wrong things
and to fight with his imaginary giants and windmills.

[Juha Nieminen]

woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> Years ago I worked at IBM, American Express and

You are complete deflecting and avoiding everything I have written
and asked. You are more deeply self-brainwashed that I would have
thought. You can't even have a straight, honest conversation.

[David Brown]

On 18/03/16 19:34, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 5:17:09 AM UTC-5, Juha Nieminen wrote:
>>
>> You are deliberately seeking for antipathy and hatred with your
>> holier-than-thou attitude. You are self-victimizing. You revel
>> in the backlash. It makes you feel virtuous and holy. It makes
>> you feel special.
>
> Years ago I worked at IBM, American Express and
> Southwest Airlines. This was before they drifted
> away from the biblical understanding of marriage.

These are /companies/. A company or business is only concerned about
one thing in regard to marriage - how does it affect our employees
ability to do their work? If it makes the employees happy, then that's
great - they will probably do a better job. The company does not care
if the employees are marrying men, women, or little green men from out
of space - as long as they are doing their job and avoiding anything
illegal.

You can choose how /you/ want to live your life, and what type of person
(if any) /you/ want to marry - but you don't get to pass judgement on
the choices of other people.

If Jesus were alive today, he'd turn in his grave at the hatred and
bigotry spewed by some people - especially concerned people's love. Try
reading the important parts of the Bible - the Gospels. Forget the
cryptic nonsense, myths, invented self-serving "history", and bizarre
rules of the OT. Forget the rantings of that angry little chauvinist
Paul. Look at what /Jesus/ said. It is all about love and tolerance,
care and consideration, and the only people Jesus ever condemns are
those that judge others and try to enforce their man-made rules to
promote anger, hatred, judgement and vengeance instead of kindness,
goodness and love in others.

There is a great deal about religions, religious beliefs, and many (but
certainly not all) religious practitioners that bothers me. Few things
are worse than people who call themselves Christians, yet go so far
against the teachings of Jesus.

[seeplus]

On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 7:19:52 PM UTC+11, David Brown wrote:
> It is all about love and tolerance,
> care and consideration, and the only people Jesus ever condemns are
> those that judge others and try to enforce their man-made rules to
> promote anger, hatred, judgement and vengeance instead of kindness,
> goodness and love in others.

Except where he goes into a friggin rage overturning stuff because people are selling doves etc Matt 21:12,
and of course when he doesn't show much love for a fruit tree and rages against a poor bloody tree and gives it the old J curse because he could not get any fruit off it. Matt 21:18 etc etc
... and 100s of other equal stupidities.

[woodb...@gmail.com]

The following is from this page:

https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=1956

"Jesus often insisted that trees which do not bear good fruit
will be cut down (Matthew 7:19; Luke 13:6-9). The fig tree did
not bear fruit, was useless, and deserved to be destroyed: the
spiritual application being that any human who does not bear
fruit for G-d will also be destroyed for his or her failure
to produce."

Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net

[Daniel]

On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 11:56:47 AM UTC-4, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> "Jesus often insisted that trees which do not bear good fruit
> will be cut down (Matthew 7:19; Luke 13:6-9).

Interesting. But couldn't the same be said about C++ Middleware Writer?

Daniel

[woodb...@gmail.com]

Noah may have been asked something similar. It hadn't
even rained prior to the flood and it took them over
100 years to build the ark.

Although the C++ Middleware Writer isn't a financial
success yet, it has been helpful in terms of learning
and keeping my skills fresh. I don't think anyone
would deny that it covers a number of interesting
topics -- on line services, serialization, messages, etc.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - "Unless the L-rd builds the house,
they labor in vain that build it." Psalms 127:1

[J. Clarke]

In article <8b2721ec-382d-4d9c...@googlegroups.com>,
woodb...@gmail.com says...

So our duty is to keep increasing the population until we run out of
food and everybody dies?

How many kids do you have and by how many women?

[Vir Campestris]

On 06/06/2016 10:23, J. Clarke wrote:
> So our duty is to keep increasing the population until we run out of
> food and everybody dies?

"Go forth, and multiply, and fill the earth, it says. Surely there comes
a time when it is filled?"

(Isaac Asimov)

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 4:24:01 AM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <8b2721ec-382d-4d9c...@googlegroups.com>,
> woodb...@gmail.com says...

> > The following is from this page:
> >
> > https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=1956
> >
> > "Jesus often insisted that trees which do not bear good fruit
> > will be cut down (Matthew 7:19; Luke 13:6-9). The fig tree did
> > not bear fruit, was useless, and deserved to be destroyed: the
> > spiritual application being that any human who does not bear
> > fruit for G-d will also be destroyed for his or her failure
> > to produce."
> >
> > Brian
> > Ebenezer Enterprises
> > http://webEbenezer.net
>
> So our duty is to keep increasing the population until we run out of
> food and everybody dies?

"Now without faith it is impossible to please Him, for the
one who approaches G-d must believe that He exists and that
He rewards those who seek Him." Hebrews 11:6

Recall how Yeshua (aka Jesus) multiplied the loaves and fishes.
Some people had to give up their provisions/food in order for
Him to do that. They had journeyed out in the country a ways
to find Him.

>
> How many kids do you have and by how many women?

I think J.S. Bach had over 20 children between two
wives. He was blessed in many ways.

"Bach: Music in the Castle of Heaven"

For me it's software in the castle of heaven.