Reality 1:1

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Evolution shows us that Adam never existed; The Bible claims Moses was
related to Adam so Moses never existed either; Jesus implied Moses
existed making Jesus:

wrong (he was only human, not a God);
or a liar (he is a deceitful God);
or he also never existed.

--

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 2/5/2018 3:25 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Evolution shows us that Adam never existed; The Bible claims Moses was
> related to Adam so Moses never existed either; Jesus implied Moses
> existed making Jesus:
>
>     wrong (he was only human, not a God);
>     or a liar (he is a deceitful God);
>     or he also never existed.

I, the real Rick C. Hodgin, did not write this post.

Please examine the headers to see that there is someone usurping my
identity (and without my permission). I post from Eternal September
and Google Groups only.

Also: The Bible shows that evolution does not exist. And indeed
all of creation and science shows that evolution does not
exist. The devil is not in the details, he's in the summary
glossing over of the details.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 2:25:21 PM UTC-6, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Evolution shows us that Adam never existed; The Bible claims Moses was
> related to Adam so Moses never existed either; Jesus implied Moses
> existed making Jesus:
>
> wrong (he was only human, not a God);
> or a liar (he is a deceitful God);
> or he also never existed.
>

The C++ Middleware Writer is a modern day Noah's Ark.
As the ark was built over many years, many people had
the opportunity to see what the ark looked like from the
outside. Noah didn't build it in a hangar or walled off
area. Similarly I'm doing some of the work on the CMW
in the open:
https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards

I appreciate comments on how to improve it and my offer
to help someone who is willing to use it still stands:
http://webEbenezer.net/about.html
.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net

[leigh.v....@googlemail.com]

Evidence the Bible is true: none.
Evidence evolution is a fact: plenty.

/Leigh

[Rick C. Hodgin]

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+19%3A1-7%3BRomans+1%3A18-32&version=KJV

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[leigh.v....@googlemail.com]

Assertions are not evidence and using the Bible to assert that the Bible is true is circular (see my flying spaghetti monster satirical post from the other day).

/Leigh

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 2/7/2018 11:40 AM, leigh.v....@googlemail.com wrote:
> Assertions are not evidence and using the Bible to assert that the Bible is true is circular (see my flying spaghetti monster satirical post from the other day).
>
> /Leigh

The Bible teaches something, but it is reality which evidences it.
The Bible gives us God's guidance on things, but it is the nature
of reality and our existence which confirms that what the Bible
teaches is accurate.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Melzzzzz]

Your reality is pure illusion...
>


--
press any key to continue or any other to quit...

[Mr Flibble]

"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his
handywork." is an assertion with no evidence to back it up. A great man
(Christopher Hitchens) once said that an assertion without evidence can
be dismissed without evidence and I do indeed dismiss it.

/Flibble

--
"Suppose it’s all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are
confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What
will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?"
"I’d say, bone cancer in children? What’s that about?" Fry replied.
"How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery
that is not our fault. It’s not right, it’s utterly, utterly evil."
"Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates
a world that is so full of injustice and pain. That’s what I would say."

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 2/7/2018 12:04 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 07/02/2018 16:58, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> On 2/7/2018 11:40 AM, leigh.v....@googlemail.com wrote:
>>> Assertions are not evidence and using the Bible to assert that the
>>> Bible is true is circular (see my flying spaghetti monster satirical
>>> post from the other day).
>>>
>>> /Leigh
>>
>>
>> The Bible teaches something, but it is reality which evidences it.
>> The Bible gives us God's guidance on things, but it is the nature
>> of reality and our existence which confirms that what the Bible
>> teaches is accurate.
>
> "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his
> handywork." is an assertion with no evidence to back it up.  A great man
> (Christopher Hitchens) once said that an assertion without evidence can
> be dismissed without evidence and I do indeed dismiss it.

Not everyone will be saved, Leigh.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

In other words you cannot back up your argument, as usual. You are not
very good at this are you mate?

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 2/7/2018 12:04 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:

> On 07/02/2018 16:58, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> On 2/7/2018 11:40 AM, leigh.v....@googlemail.com wrote:
>>> Assertions are not evidence and using the Bible to assert that the
>>> Bible is true is circular (see my flying spaghetti monster satirical
>>> post from the other day).
>>>
>>> /Leigh
>>
>>
>> The Bible teaches something, but it is reality which evidences it.
>> The Bible gives us God's guidance on things, but it is the nature
>> of reality and our existence which confirms that what the Bible
>> teaches is accurate.
>
> "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his
> handywork." is an assertion with no evidence to back it up.  A great man
> (Christopher Hitchens) once said that an assertion without evidence can
> be dismissed without evidence and I do indeed dismiss it.

I don't know if you think statements like this bother me? Or if you
feel like you're getting one-up on me?

I present you the truth of God as is revealed in the Bible, and in
all of creation. I've presented to you evidence that DNA could not
possibly have come about by random chance, and that evolution is now
completely disproven by an examination of the workings of DNA, and
what we've found is so staggeringly evidencing of design that even
Richard Dawkins now admits intelligent design (though he ascribes
it to aliens seeding the planet).

This information I give you is the truth, Leigh. If you are unable
or unwilling to accept it it's not my fault. It's because you aren't
being saved. It's because you're not willing to hear the truth, or
if you are hearing it you're more willing to dismiss it than accept
it.

Our relationship is me teaching, and me also listening to you in
your responses to learn how to be a better teacher, but that's it.
You don't owe me anything. If you're content to go through life
without investigating these things I point out to you then fine.
Don't. I've told you what the risk is of not pursuing these things,
that you will be wrong, that you are deceived, and that your eternal
soul will be cast into eternal Hellfire. If that means nothing to
you, then don't investigate it.

My hands are completely clean of your blood because I have taught
you the truth. It is not my job to make you believe it, nor could
I ever do so. Only God can draw you, and that drawing is internal,
not external.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I know in whom I have believed, Melzzzzz. I put my entire life in
His hands. And in my weakness, in so doing, am I made strong because
it's not by me that I am saved, but it's only by Him. He knows my
true heart, and my desire to do what's right even though I fail so
very often.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

The Bible asserts that God created the firmament without evidence of
same. The fact that the firmament exists is not evidence that God
created it. Please provide some independent evidence that the assertion
the Bible is making is true without reference to the Bible itself (as it
is making the assertion).

What is your evidence that God created the firmament?

[Melzzzzz]

On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

You can only be saved by anti-psyhotics...and you reject to be saved...

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I can't convince you, Leigh. No one can. Only when God draws a soul
from within are you convinced, and that convincing comes not by words
and examples here in nature, but by the spirit, and that's something
you are not yet equipped to understand.

We are three-fold beings, just as God is three-fold:

Soul -> relates to: God the Father
Body -> relates to: God the Son
Spirit -> relates to: God the Holy Spirit

Our spirit is dead because of sin (you can read this in Genesis 1-5).
Jesus takes away our sin and gives us new spiritual life, and it is
a precursor drawing before the day we come to Christ and ask Him to
forgive us that God the Father draws us. It is the life growing
before "birth" when we actually ask Jesus to forgive us.

No one can convince you, Leigh. We can only teach you the truth.
And all who are not drawn by God from within to know the truth will
only mock it, demand proof, and profess and exclaim that it cannot
possibly be true for reasons X, Y, Z, and others.

But the Lord promises us, and I promise you from my own experience,
that if you seek the truth with a real and sincere seeking, then God
will open up your understanding, and you will be saved.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

Your answer is yet more assertions without evidence which can be
dismissed without evidence and so are duly dismissed.

Have a nice day.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Salvation is a new life, Melzzzzz. It is spirit, not flesh. Once
a person is saved they cannot be un-saved, just as a newborn baby
cannot be un-born. And whereas here in the flesh you can kill the
body and end the flesh-based life, the same is NOT true of our
spirit. There are no weapons which can harm our spirit, and those
God saves He is able to keep until that final day.

You've been told the truth too, Melzzzzz. The reason you cannot
hear it today is because you aren't (yet) being saved (if indeed
you will ever be saved).

When God begins to draw you from within, then you will know the
truth, and that truth is compulsive and you will be made free by
what God gifts to you ... if that day ever comes.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I don't think you read my reply. You have a tendency to gloss over
those things you initially disagree with, which prevents you from
hearing the details and learning the truth.

As I stated previously, the devil is not in the details, he's in the

glossing over of the details.

You want to stay on the path to Hell, then do not investigate any of
the things I have claimed. Do not seek the truth that I teach you is
there wholly. Continue on as you have, and you will remain where you
are today.

But if you want to examine the possibility of there truly being a God,
and the possibility that you truly have been duped by a world bent on
your eternal soul's destruction ... then do so. The choice is yours.
As I say, there will be no people going into Hell by accident. Only
those who wholly rejected the truth with both hands, both feet, and
everything else they're able to do so with, will cast themselves into
Hell.

It's your choice, Leigh. Make it a good one.

At 4:43 into the video:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjuQRCG_sUw&t=4m43s

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

Asserting something is true does not make it so (unless you have factual
evidence to back that assertion up). Not a single one of your
assertions have any evidence to back them up so are all summarily dismissed.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Agree. The evidence is there before all of creation, but because of
sin it is able to be wrongly dismissed. Because of sin it's possible
to not see it as being valid, because there is another source (Satan
and his demon spirit army) influencing you to believe other things.
Because of sin you are unable to know the difference between the truth
and falseness, which is how Satan is able to deceive you (and indeed
all of mankind) so easily.

> Not a single one of your
> assertions have any evidence to back them up so are all summarily
> dismissed.

Disagree. But, you'll have to find that out for yourself.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

More assertions; no evidence; summarily dismissed.

>
>> Not a single one of your assertions have any evidence to back them up
>> so are all summarily dismissed.
>
> Disagree.  But, you'll have to find that out for yourself.

If you disagree then provide some evidence to back at least one of your
assertions up.

It is at this point that most Christians give up and say "it is a matter
of faith" but of course you know my answer to that: faith is not
evidence so cannot be used to backup an assertion.

[Melzzzzz]

On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>

> I can't convince you, Leigh. No one can. Only when God draws a soul
> from within are you convinced, and that convincing comes not by words
> and examples here in nature, but by the spirit, and that's something
> you are not yet equipped to understand.

You are equipped with lunacy, that is, so no one can convince you.

[Melzzzzz]

On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/7/2018 12:26 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Not everyone will be saved, Leigh.
>>
>> You can only be saved by anti-psyhotics...and you reject to be saved...
>
>
> Salvation is a new life, Melzzzzz. It is spirit, not flesh.

You have to eat and shit until you die. Nothing spiritual about that...

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 2/7/2018 1:09 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/7/2018 12:26 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>> On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Not everyone will be saved, Leigh.
>>> You can only be saved by anti-psyhotics...and you reject to be saved...
>>
>> Salvation is a new life, Melzzzzz. It is spirit, not flesh.
>

> You have to eat and .. until you die. Nothing spiritual about that...


That is our flesh existence. The new existence I point you to is
spirit. Three-fold beings, Melzzzzz. Our flesh is our flesh until
we leave this world and are given our eternal body. But our spirit
is dead until we come to Christ and ask forgiveness. Only then is
that new part of our existence added on to us.

This new spirit causes us to change our lives. We may still make
mistakes, but it won't be an ongoing pattern of behavior. It will
be moments, and even in those moments you'll know it is wrong and
you'll want to change.

Satan is a taskmaster. He'll keep you focused only on the flesh if
you'll let him. But for all who pursue God in spirit and in truth,
the same are led by Him and His Holy Spirit.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

More assertions; no evidence; summarily dismissed.

[Melzzzzz]

On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/7/2018 1:09 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/7/2018 12:26 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>> On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Not everyone will be saved, Leigh.
>>>> You can only be saved by anti-psyhotics...and you reject to be saved...
>>>
>>> Salvation is a new life, Melzzzzz. It is spirit, not flesh.
>>
>> You have to eat and .. until you die. Nothing spiritual about that...
>
>
> That is our flesh existence. The new existence I point you to is
> spirit. Three-fold beings, Melzzzzz.

Dissapearance is not existence...

Our flesh is our flesh until
> we leave this world and are given our eternal body.

Why are we hear in the first place then? Nothing is eternal except human
stupidity, Rick.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 2/7/2018 1:16 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/7/2018 1:09 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>> On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2/7/2018 12:26 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>> On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Not everyone will be saved, Leigh.
>>>>> You can only be saved by anti-psyhotics...and you reject to be saved...
>>>> Salvation is a new life, Melzzzzz. It is spirit, not flesh.
>>> You have to eat and .. until you die. Nothing spiritual about that...
>>
>> That is our flesh existence. The new existence I point you to is
>> spirit. Three-fold beings, Melzzzzz.
>
> Dissapearance is not existence...

To see you need an eye, not an ear. To hear you need an ear, not an
eye. To understand things of the spirit you need the spirit, not
the flesh.

It's only invisible and seemingly non-existent because you do not
possess the faculties to see it, because of what sin has done to you
in condemning your soul to Hell, and dying spiritually.

> Our flesh is our flesh until
>> we leave this world and are given our eternal body.
>
> Why are we hear in the first place then?

God created the entire universe for us to be with Him.

> Nothing is eternal except human stupidity, Rick.

Human stupidity is eternal if it leads to an end other than coming
to the salvation made possible by Jesus Christ. But, human stupidity
is not the only thing that is eternal. Eternal life with God in
Heaven is also eternal.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Daniel]

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 12:53:43 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On 2/7/2018 12:48 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> > On 07/02/2018 17:45, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >>
> >> But the Lord promises us, and I promise you from my own experience,
> >> that if you seek the truth with a real and sincere seeking, then God
> >> will open up your understanding, and you will be saved.
> >
> > Your answer is yet more assertions without evidence which can be
> > dismissed without evidence and so are duly dismissed.
>

> But if you want to examine the possibility of there truly being a God
>

> It's your choice

So if I understand Rick correctly, he concedes there is no extant evidence
that could convince a disinterested party of the truth value of the biblical
texts. I think that's fair comment and that everybody can agree with that.

He further seems to suggest that if such a disinterested party were to
somehow suppress their disbelief, a god like entity would somehow pop into
their heads and make the truth value of the biblical texts clear. But
that suggestion seems to be on shakier ground. While Rick obviously feels
that he's had such an experience himself, it's also true that lots of
people have had things pop into their heads, as any psychiatrist can affirm.

Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

What I teach is what the Bible teaches, and what I personally found in
2004:

Seek the truth.
You won't be able to find it on your own, but if you seek it
truly with a sincere seeking, God will see you doing this,
and He will know your heart's intent.
He will then come to you and lead you to knowledge of Himself,
His Son, and give you eternal life.

This world is a proving ground. A threshing floor. It is a place
where the wheat is separated from the chaff. All who will not seek
the truth are purged. Only those who will seek the truth are saved
from judgment, and eternal Hellfire.

Just seek the truth with an honest seeking. God will do the rest.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Melzzzzz]

On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/7/2018 1:16 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/7/2018 1:09 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>> On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2/7/2018 12:26 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>> On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Not everyone will be saved, Leigh.
>>>>>> You can only be saved by anti-psyhotics...and you reject to be saved...
>>>>> Salvation is a new life, Melzzzzz. It is spirit, not flesh.
>>>> You have to eat and .. until you die. Nothing spiritual about that...
>>>
>>> That is our flesh existence. The new existence I point you to is
>>> spirit. Three-fold beings, Melzzzzz.
>>
>> Dissapearance is not existence...
>
> To see you need an eye, not an ear. To hear you need an ear, not an
> eye. To understand things of the spirit you need the spirit, not
> the flesh.

You can understand that there is no spirit? No?

>
> It's only invisible and seemingly non-existent because you do not
> possess the faculties to see it, because of what sin has done to you
> in condemning your soul to Hell, and dying spiritually.
>
>> Our flesh is our flesh until
>>> we leave this world and are given our eternal body.
>>
>> Why are we hear in the first place then?
>
> God created the entire universe for us to be with Him.
> > Nothing is eternal except human stupidity, Rick.
>
> Human stupidity is eternal if it leads to an end other than coming
> to the salvation made possible by Jesus Christ. But, human stupidity
> is not the only thing that is eternal. Eternal life with God in
> Heaven is also eternal.

There is no eternal life Rick, when you die, you are eternaly dead...

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 2/7/2018 1:38 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/7/2018 1:16 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>> On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2/7/2018 1:09 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>> On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/7/2018 12:26 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Not everyone will be saved, Leigh.
>>>>>>> You can only be saved by anti-psyhotics...and you reject to be saved...
>>>>>> Salvation is a new life, Melzzzzz. It is spirit, not flesh.
>>>>> You have to eat and .. until you die. Nothing spiritual about that...
>>>>
>>>> That is our flesh existence. The new existence I point you to is
>>>> spirit. Three-fold beings, Melzzzzz.
>>>
>>> Dissapearance is not existence...
>>
>> To see you need an eye, not an ear. To hear you need an ear, not an
>> eye. To understand things of the spirit you need the spirit, not
>> the flesh.
>
> You can understand that there is no spirit? No?

If you ever come to faith and are born again, you will be amazed at
how intensely the presence of evil spirits at every corner are guiding
the still-in-sin people of this world to their destruction.

We can't see spiritual things because of sin. We only see the effects
of spiritual things, but to our mind we can only conclude that those
things are the result of the person doing bad things, and not the un-
seen influence of an evil spirit tempting a person to do those things.

>> It's only invisible and seemingly non-existent because you do not
>> possess the faculties to see it, because of what sin has done to you
>> in condemning your soul to Hell, and dying spiritually.
>>
>>> Our flesh is our flesh until
>>>> we leave this world and are given our eternal body.
>>>
>>> Why are we hear in the first place then?
>>
>> God created the entire universe for us to be with Him.
>> > Nothing is eternal except human stupidity, Rick.
>>
>> Human stupidity is eternal if it leads to an end other than coming
>> to the salvation made possible by Jesus Christ. But, human stupidity
>> is not the only thing that is eternal. Eternal life with God in
>> Heaven is also eternal.
>
> There is no eternal life Rick, when you die, you are eternaly dead...

Only if you die with your sin still charged to you (meaning Jesus did
not transfer it to Himself, thereby setting you free). The lake of
fire is called "the second death":


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+20%3A14-15&version=KJV

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is
the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was
cast into the lake of fire.

For those souls who die unforgiven ... it is only eternal torment.
It's why God warns us in advance so we can repent and ask forgiveness.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Melzzzzz]

On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

> Just seek the truth with an honest seeking. God will do the rest.

Just seek the truth with psychiatrist. Anti-psyhotics will do the rest..

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 2/7/2018 1:43 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just seek the truth with an honest seeking. God will do the rest.
>
> Just seek the truth with psychiatrist. Anti-psyhotics will do the rest..

You can only see with natural eyes, Melzzzzz, because you will not
seek the truth.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

More assertions; no evidence; summarily dismissed.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I have given you my testimony. I've told you to go and speak to
others. There is a myriad of evidence. You just will not see it.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Melzzzzz]

On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/7/2018 1:38 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/7/2018 1:16 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>> On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2/7/2018 1:09 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>> On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/7/2018 12:26 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Not everyone will be saved, Leigh.
>>>>>>>> You can only be saved by anti-psyhotics...and you reject to be saved...
>>>>>>> Salvation is a new life, Melzzzzz. It is spirit, not flesh.
>>>>>> You have to eat and .. until you die. Nothing spiritual about that...
>>>>>
>>>>> That is our flesh existence. The new existence I point you to is
>>>>> spirit. Three-fold beings, Melzzzzz.
>>>>
>>>> Dissapearance is not existence...
>>>
>>> To see you need an eye, not an ear. To hear you need an ear, not an
>>> eye. To understand things of the spirit you need the spirit, not
>>> the flesh.
>>
>> You can understand that there is no spirit? No?
>
>
> If you ever come to faith and are born again, you will be amazed at
> how intensely the presence of evil spirits at every corner are guiding
> the still-in-sin people of this world to their destruction.

Rick, if you ever try anti-psyhotics, you will be amazed at how
intensely evil spirits dissapear ...

>
> We can't see spiritual things because of sin. We only see the effects
> of spiritual things, but to our mind we can only conclude that those
> things are the result of the person doing bad things, and not the un-
> seen influence of an evil spirit tempting a person to do those things.

Sane people can't see spiritual things, because of sanity.

>>
>> There is no eternal life Rick, when you die, you are eternaly dead...
>
> Only if you die with your sin still charged to you (meaning Jesus did
> not transfer it to Himself, thereby setting you free). The lake of
> fire is called "the second death":

Rick, Jesus is dead, gone, non existent..,. He was cult leader like many
cult leaders of today...

[Melzzzzz]

On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/7/2018 1:43 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just seek the truth with an honest seeking. God will do the rest.
>>
>> Just seek the truth with psychiatrist. Anti-psyhotics will do the rest..
>
>
> You can only see with natural eyes, Melzzzzz, because you will not
> seek the truth.

Thanks to anti-psychotics, now I see clearly with natural eyes.

[Mr Flibble]

[Daniel]

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 1:36:48 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> What I teach is what the Bible teaches, and what I personally found in
> 2004:
>

> [God] will then come to you and lead you to knowledge of Himself,
> His Son

Interesting. Could you describe in more detail how it was that god came to
you? Did he speak to you in your head? Did you see him with your eyes?

Thanks,
Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 2/7/2018 1:49 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/7/2018 1:43 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>> On 2018-02-07, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Just seek the truth with an honest seeking. God will do the rest.
>>> Just seek the truth with psychiatrist. Anti-psyhotics will do the rest..
>> You can only see with natural eyes, Melzzzzz, because you will not
>> seek the truth.
>
> Thanks to anti-psychotics, now I see clearly with natural eyes.

I offer you a counter-idea: That when you are on anti-psychotics,
the evil spirits relent because they know they have you. Why waste
time and energy on someone they already have? It's only when you
are making a movie toward Christ that they will rise up and attack
you.

I can't convince you, Melzzzzz. I can only teach you the truth.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

The evidence is in the changed lives, and the changed purposes for
life and living.

I have an entire software entity (Liberty Software Foundation) given
over to giving people my software. I have done this because I've
come to understand what God has done in this world, and in my life.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

[Rick C. Hodgin]

It's not easily describable because it's spirit. There's a line in
Deep Space Nine by Major Kira which says it, and I'm sure it's quoted
there from some place else ... I just don't know the original quote:

Faith... for those who have it no explanation is necessary.
For those who don't, no explanation is sufficient.

It's new life, Daniel. I've described it before as when Optimus Prime
was given the heart thingy by the Decepticon SR-71. All of the flying
parts went zooming from that Decepticon onto Prime. Prime didn't know
how to fly before, but when he received the new heart thingy, then he
just took off flying.

With the new spirit life you just simply know new things. Input you
have is different. It's processed not just through your mind, but
also through your spirit. It's an augmented existence, and there's
a guiding hand there from God and His Holy Spirit, which is omni-
present.

It is as above. You'll never be able to understand until you come
to faith, and when you do and are born again, you won't need an
explanation because it will be automatic to/for you.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

Answer the question. How did it manifest physically/mentally so you were
suddenly aware of it consciously. I know you won't answer the question
because no Christian ever does because they (and you) know that such
manifestations are indistinguishable from mental illness.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I can't answer it in a way you'll understand. I can just tell you
that I was changed, and with that change came the new life. I now
know things I couldn't know before, understand things I couldn't
understand before, am guided at times from within by invisible forces
to go and speak to people, or avoid people, or offer to help people,
and so on.

It's God's Holy Spirit guiding us spiritually, as though there was
a consistent voice there speaking to you, but it's done inaudibly,
and is more of a natural desire / inclination to move.

That's in the spirit, but we are also still tied to this flesh. And
it is there many people get distracted. And Satan comes at us very
hard to distract us because he only has input into our flesh, but not
our spirit. He amps up our emotions, feelings, gives us thoughts,
all of which are not our own. These affect our flesh, and that source
of input tempts us to move. And many do move toward sin.

But if we remain focused upon God, following Him as He guides in
Matthew 28:18-20, obeying His guidance consciously, purposefully,
then we are following after Him spiritually, and Satan cannot
touch us. It is only when we are carried away by our feelings and
emotions that we are overcome, and those are of our weak flesh and
our sin nature still present in our weak flesh.

Even Jesus said in the Garden of Gethsemane before He was taken
into custody: "The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak."

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

Be more specific. Give an example of something you couldn't know before
but know now. Give an example of something you couldn't understand
before but understand now.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

That Jesus Christ was God. That I had sin. That Heaven was real,
and that Hell was real, and that I needed to ask forgiveness to be
saved.

Also the teachings of the Bible. They bring a peace over a believer
when they are read, studied. It's the spirit being fed, and it's
similar to how you feel good after a meal. When you go to the Bible
as a believer and read and study His written word, you have a real
peace that comes over you, which is your spirit asserting itself in
an "of the Lord" way.

> Give an example of something you couldn't understand before but
> understand now.

See above. In addition, I am able to see the enemy's attacks against
man and have, over time, come to see patterns in how he attacks us.
It's why I have patience with men like you and Peter and others. I
am aware of things that would prevent me from responding to you as I
might like to do if it were only my flesh giving in put.

In fact, I've been flatly amazed across the board up and down how I
have dealt with Peter Cheung. I have an inner peace regarding him
that I can only conclude is supernaturally given me by God, because
there are times I start to get so upset with him, but even before
that "getting upset" can manifest itself, there is a greater peace
which leads and settles and replace and supplants my flesh-based
response. I've been amazed by it.

That's something else I've noticed. There are times I write things
to people, or post here on these groups, and I'm amazed at what I
am writing. It's not me writing it. It's coming through me, and
I am typing and what not, but they are not my original thoughts. I
am often times reading what I'm writing for the first time, and am
stunned by the things I write. That's happened a few dozen times
since I became a believer in 2004.

I've had other times when I've said things, or not said things,
when I intended to not say things, or to say things. I was in
some invisible way encouraged to speak, or prevented from speaking.

Those instances are rare, and they come in specific moments when
it is important for things to be spoken or not spoken. But on the
whole, believers live their lives in this world, doing the things
of this world, but just doing them differently ... i.e., doing
them consciously and purposefully unto God. And in the goings on,
we are holding Him up as our banner, our measuring rod, our base-
line scrutinizer, to determine which ways we should go. These are
our own thoughts we filter through, but there are also other times
we are just moved to move without having to think about it, when
God's hand moves us to move.

You should go to a local Bible-believing Christian church and
speak to the people there face-to-face and ask them to tell you
of their various life changes after they were born again. If
they are legitimate and have a true witness and were really born
again, the things they repeat to you will be similar to mine.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

Anyone with a vague awareness of Christianity would already be aware of
all that as part of Christianity: no supernatural "spiritual" event
required. You simply experienced selection bias whilst mentally ill.

>
> Also the teachings of the Bible.  They bring a peace over a believer
> when they are read, studied.  It's the spirit being fed, and it's
> similar to how you feel good after a meal.  When you go to the Bible
> as a believer and read and study His written word, you have a real
> peace that comes over you, which is your spirit asserting itself in
> an "of the Lord" way.
>
> > Give an example of something you couldn't understand before but
> > understand now.
>
> See above.  In addition, I am able to see the enemy's attacks against
> man and have, over time, come to see patterns in how he attacks us.
> It's why I have patience with men like you and Peter and others.  I
> am aware of things that would prevent me from responding to you as I
> might like to do if it were only my flesh giving in put.

Again no supernatural explanation required for any of that.

>
> In fact, I've been flatly amazed across the board up and down how I
> have dealt with Peter Cheung.  I have an inner peace regarding him
> that I can only conclude is supernaturally given me by God, because
> there are times I start to get so upset with him, but even before
> that "getting upset" can manifest itself, there is a greater peace
> which leads and settles and replace and supplants my flesh-based
> response.  I've been amazed by it.
>
> That's something else I've noticed.  There are times I write things
> to people, or post here on these groups, and I'm amazed at what I
> am writing.  It's not me writing it.  It's coming through me, and
> I am typing and what not, but they are not my original thoughts.  I
> am often times reading what I'm writing for the first time, and am
> stunned by the things I write.  That's happened a few dozen times
> since I became a believer in 2004.

Nothing unusual about that: most people don't consciously think about
what they type before they type it in forums such as this.

> I've had other times when I've said things, or not said things,
> when I intended to not say things, or to say things.  I was in
> some invisible way encouraged to speak, or prevented from speaking.

Over thinking what is natural and/or explainable by random chance.

>
> Those instances are rare, and they come in specific moments when
> it is important for things to be spoken or not spoken.  But on the
> whole, believers live their lives in this world, doing the things
> of this world, but just doing them differently ... i.e., doing
> them consciously and purposefully unto God.  And in the goings on,
> we are holding Him up as our banner, our measuring rod, our base-
> line scrutinizer, to determine which ways we should go.  These are
> our own thoughts we filter through, but there are also other times
> we are just moved to move without having to think about it, when
> God's hand moves us to move.
>
> You should go to a local Bible-believing Christian church and
> speak to the people there face-to-face and ask them to tell you
> of their various life changes after they were born again.  If
> they are legitimate and have a true witness and were really born
> again, the things they repeat to you will be similar to mine.

Your lack of insight into your mental illness is quite advanced; it's a
shame that you never got the medical treatment you clearly need but I
suspect it is now too late for you given how "bedded in" your delusions are.

[Daniel]

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 2:24:36 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> I now know things I couldn't know before

I appreciate that this is difficult, but I'd like to understand.

An evangelical Christian adviser to Donald Trump, Gloria Copeland, has been
in the news recently, suggesting that evangelicals do not need a winter flu
vaccine, because “We’ve already had our shot” thanks to God who “bore our
sicknesses and carried our diseases”. Is this a good example of knowing
things you couldn't know before? Or do you have a better example?

Thanks,
Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I am unaware of that claim, but I know many Christians refuse to take
medicine because of their faith. Some parents have been jailed for it
when their children died because they refused medical treatment.

Jesus never told us not to seek natural cures for our flesh. What He
does promise us is that this world is not our home, and that when we
are born again spiritually we have eternal life, and that after we
leave this world we will receive our eternal body. But while here, we
are supposed to provide for our body as it has natural needs, but we
are also to provide for our spirit as it has spiritual needs.

I would also like to warn you and Leigh that one of the enemy's tactics
is to try and pin people down to answering cleverly crafted questions
that only provide for yes/no, or limited-response answers. The enemy
wants to present an argument in a way you can easily dismiss what the
teaching Christian has to say.

The answers of God often require a re-phrasing of the question, or to
take the enemy's question and set it aside and provide the teaching
God would have.

If you seek the truth, you must be willing to move from where you are
to where the truth is. Truth will call out to you, beckoning you to
come, but it will not move to where you are. You must get up from
your current place of residence and move to where it is.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Ian Collins]

On 02/08/2018 06:57 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>
> Asserting something is true does not make it so (unless you have factual
> evidence to back that assertion up). Not a single one of your
> assertions have any evidence to back them up so are all summarily dismissed.

he never will provide any solid evidence because he can't, just as he
can't see how antisocial his postings here are. Time to move on before
you become what you so evidently despise.

--
Ian.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 2/7/2018 3:10 PM, Ian Collins wrote:
> [snip]

Hi, Ian! How are things down under? If you ever meet a man named
Kevin Bargar from USA ... tell him I said hi. He was a great manager
and a man I admired. Moved to Australia in 2012 I believe. Got a
job working for Dana I believe. I knew him from Toyota.

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[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 2/7/2018 2:59 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> [snip]


I can only tell you, Leigh, you'll never find the truth by limiting
yourself to only those things you think you can know. The way to
the truth is to set your sights on it, being willing to move in the
ways truth's path requires you to move, even if it's outside of your
current beliefs, no matter how "sacredly" or firmly held.

If you set your sights on knowing the truth, and are willing to move
if you must, then God will know this, and He will bring truth to you.
But I caution you: Watch out if you do, because if you are truly
seeking the truth and God draws you to it ... there's no going back.
Your life will be forever changed, and the things you used to think
you know will be supplanted nearly exhaustively across the board.

I would like to call you "brother" in Christ, Leigh. I pray that
day does come for you. The old Leigh will pass away, and the new
Leigh will be born. You won't believe the transformation, and
unless it happened to you, you would never have believed such a
change were possible to anyone.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

I repeat: asserting something to be true doesn't make it true. Your
assertions continue to be easily dismissed through lack of evidence.

[Daniel]

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 2:59:44 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 07/02/2018 19:48, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >
> > That Jesus Christ was God.  That I had sin.  That Heaven was real,
> > and that Hell was real, and that I needed to ask forgiveness to be
> > saved.
>
> Anyone with a vague awareness of Christianity would already be aware of
> all that as part of Christianity: no supernatural "spiritual" event
> required. You simply experienced selection bias whilst mentally ill.
>

Actually, even within Christianity, these ideas have been controversial. It
wasn't until the fourth century Council of Nicaea that it was decided, but
with dissensions, that the Son and the Father were the same. Pope Francis
has recently suggested that a literal hell is not real. Calvinism teaches
that God predestined some people to be saved, so it wouldn't make any
difference whether Rick asked for forgiveness or not.

Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Calvanim is a dangerous teaching, and one not supported by scripture
without removing other verses of scripture.

The only teaching that is comprehensive is that God calls some by His
pleasure, and others by their desire to seek the truth. It is each
person on display before God, before the angels, before other men,
before all of creation, revealing who they are. God searches hearts
and minds and knows without error or distortion who a person truly is.
For all who will believe the truth He draws them from within to be
saved. The drawing is compulsory, and it will overtake one's life,
but it is not initiated until the time of God's determination.

It takes an act of God to bring one to faith, but the idea of pre-
destination by decree is incorrect. God knew who would be saved
ahead of time, but only because of His comprehensive knowledge of
things, and not because He set it up that way. He was able to know
if each person would seek the truth in the same way an avid sports
fan might be able to tell if their favorite coach would keep the
player in or substitute them out at the next quarter, etc. But
with God it's wholly complete and fully comprehensive knowledge,
and with the sports fan it's just a reasonable guess based on an
observation of the coach's behavior over time.

Satan binds people up on matters like this. He divides churches,
sets man against man, church against church.

Jesus said, "Follow me."

If we can stick with that calling, then His Holy Spirit guides us
from within to do the rest.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I would add here: Not everybody who calls themselves a Christian will
be saved, but only those who do the will of the Father who is in Heaven.
It is His will that we would live in harmony and peace and love. When
there is strife and division, it is the enemy there stirring up men's
flesh, causing them to respond in the flesh, and not in the spirit.

But for all who will pursue God in spirit and in truth, the same are
led by the spirit of God, and the same are those who are saved.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Daniel]

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 3:45:14 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> Calvanim is a dangerous teaching

Wouldn't it be funny, though, if Mr Flibble belonged to the elect, and you did not :-) You can't deny god having a bit of fun.

Daniel

[asetof...@gmail.com]

Melz wrote:
Rick, Jesus is dead, gone, non existent..,. He was cult leader like many
cult leaders of today...

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Wrong Jesus is God, it is always alive (He is the life) we are here because He created us (the same the universe)