CppCon/Tool-time

[woodb...@gmail.com]

Shalom

I'm looking for someone interested in helping me present my
on-line code generator at the Tool-time part of CppCon --
https://cppcon.org/tooltime
. I'm not planning to be at the conference, but would be here
making sure things are working on this end.

I will pay $150 for 3 hours -- two hours of preparation and
one hour at the conference on Tuesday, Sept. 25th. I would
also give you a $60 investment in my company.

You would give a demo of cloning, building, and running
this software: https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards

I would also like you mention my offer to help someone
who is willing to use the software in their project:
http://webEbenezer.net/about.html
.

If you are attending CppCon this year and are interested
in this please let me know.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net

[Christian Gollwitzer]

Am 23.09.18 um 03:32 schrieb woodb...@gmail.com:

> I'm looking for someone interested in helping me present my
> on-line code generator at the Tool-time part of CppCon --
> https://cppcon.org/tooltime
> . I'm not planning to be at the conference, but would be here
> making sure things are working on this end.

Huh? Why don't you go there yourself? It'll be hard for somebody else to
represent this, who is not directly involved.

Christian

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 12:51:30 AM UTC-5, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
>
> Huh? Why don't you go there yourself? It'll be hard for somebody else to
> represent this, who is not directly involved.
>
> Christian

I'm not going for safety and cost reasons. I avoid
gun-free zones for safety reasons. There was a shooting
at a video game conference in Florida recently, and it
was in a gun-free zone.
https://crimeresearch.org/2018/08/mass-shooting-reported-at-jacksonville-landing-in-florida-at-another-gun-free-zone/

A rabbi once said, "What good will it be for someone to gain
the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?" The conference
is kind of tantalizing because people from all over the
world will be there, but I believe everyone should be free
to defend themselves. G-d willing in the future there will
be a C++ conference that is more amenable to conservatives.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises
https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards

[David Brown]

On 23/09/18 16:51, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 12:51:30 AM UTC-5, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
>>
>> Huh? Why don't you go there yourself? It'll be hard for somebody else to
>> represent this, who is not directly involved.
>>
>> Christian
>
>
> I'm not going for safety and cost reasons. I avoid
> gun-free zones for safety reasons. There was a shooting
> at a video game conference in Florida recently, and it
> was in a gun-free zone.
> https://crimeresearch.org/2018/08/mass-shooting-reported-at-jacksonville-landing-in-florida-at-another-gun-free-zone/
>

You are not going there because you think you are at risk of getting
shot - because the law there it won't be full of people carrying guns.
But you /are/ willing to pay someone peanuts to stand in your place and
risk their lives to advertise /your/ company?

[Jorgen Grahn]

On Sun, 2018-09-23, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
...

> I'm not going for safety and cost reasons. I avoid
> gun-free zones for safety reasons.

Please everybody: let's not add gun control to the list of boring
offtopic topics in comp.lang.c++. Brian mentioning it as a reason
was kind of on topic; debating it is not.

/Jorgen

--
// Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . .
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[woodb...@gmail.com]

I'm not encouraging someone to attend who hasn't
already decided to attend. I've posted this a day
or two ahead of the conference so almost everyone
who has decided to go will have already made up their
mind. And for those that haven't, I'm now being
clear (not just safety) about why I'm not going.


Brian

[Real Troll]

On 23/09/2018 19:30, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> On Sun, 2018-09-23, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> ...
>> I'm not going for safety and cost reasons. I avoid
>> gun-free zones for safety reasons.
> Please everybody: let's not add gun control to the list of boring
> offtopic topics in comp.lang.c++. Brian mentioning it as a reason
> was kind of on topic; debating it is not.
>
> /Jorgen
>

Who made you the moderator on these newsgroups? Please refrain from
imposing your authority on anybody here. You are not in charge here;
If you don't like something then use the kill-filter of your
newsreader. If you don't know how to do it then ask for help on the
forums of whatever newsreader you are using.

You have no right to decide what is acceptable and what is not.

Brian was prepared to kill somebody for $150 so it was right and proper
to tell him this is not OK on these newsgroups. North Koreans do such
things; Some of you may remember that they hired two women to kill one
of theirs at Malaysia Airport. The girls were paid peanuts and now they
are now likely to be hanged in Malaysia. Brian wants to do exactly the
same here.

Good bye.

[Öö Tiib]

On Monday, 24 September 2018 03:57:50 UTC+3, Real Troll wrote:
>
> Brian was prepared to kill somebody for $150 so it was right and proper
> to tell him this is not OK on these newsgroups.

What evidence do you have that usage or demonstration of Brian's tools
is lethal? I thought it is relatively safe, more so in gun-free
environment.

[James Kuyper]

The key point in not how dangerous the demonstration was likely to be,
but how dangerous Brian thought it would be. His assessment of the
danger level frightened him enough to make him decide not to attend;
that being the case, his desire to have someone else do the
demonstration for him, someone who would be facing precisely the same
danger, does not reflect well on his character, regardless of how little
validity there might be in his fears.
Also note that he appears to consider the restrictions on guns in that
convention as making it more dangerous, by reason of denying the
participants who obey those rules the opportunity to defend themselves
against participants who chose not to obey them.

[james...@alumni.caltech.edu]

On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 8:57:50 PM UTC-4, Real Troll wrote:
> On 23/09/2018 19:30, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> > On Sun, 2018-09-23, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> > ...
> >> I'm not going for safety and cost reasons. I avoid
> >> gun-free zones for safety reasons.
> > Please everybody: let's not add gun control to the list of boring
> > offtopic topics in comp.lang.c++. Brian mentioning it as a reason
> > was kind of on topic; debating it is not.
> >
> > /Jorgen
> >
>
> Who made you the moderator on these newsgroups?

No one. If he was the moderator, he would not need to ask this.

> Please refrain from
> imposing your authority on anybody here.

He has no authority, so it's a good thing he's not trying to assert any. He's asking, without the authority to make it an order, that people act better they need to. Is that too much to ask? Apparently.

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 10:25:32 PM UTC-5, James Kuyper wrote:
> On 09/23/2018 10:19 PM, Öö Tiib wrote:
> > On Monday, 24 September 2018 03:57:50 UTC+3, Real Troll wrote:
> >>
> >> Brian was prepared to kill somebody for $150 so it was right and proper
> >> to tell him this is not OK on these newsgroups.
> >
> > What evidence do you have that usage or demonstration of Brian's tools
> > is lethal? I thought it is relatively safe, more so in gun-free
> > environment.
>
> The key point in not how dangerous the demonstration was likely to be,
> but how dangerous Brian thought it would be. His assessment of the
> danger level frightened him enough to make him decide not to attend;
> that being the case, his desire to have someone else do the
> demonstration for him, someone who would be facing precisely the same
> danger, does not reflect well on his character, regardless of how little
> validity there might be in his fears.

"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely
say all kinds of evil against you because of Me." Matthew 5:11

Maybe you are not happy with my embracing Martin Luther
King Jr's belief that hiring should be based not on race, but
on character.

[james...@alumni.caltech.edu]

On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 12:25:07 AM UTC-4, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 10:25:32 PM UTC-5, James Kuyper wrote:

...

> > The key point in not how dangerous the demonstration was likely to be,
> > but how dangerous Brian thought it would be. His assessment of the
> > danger level frightened him enough to make him decide not to attend;
> > that being the case, his desire to have someone else do the
> > demonstration for him, someone who would be facing precisely the same
> > danger, does not reflect well on his character, regardless of how little
> > validity there might be in his fears.

...

> Maybe you are not happy with my embracing Martin Luther
> King Jr's belief that hiring should be based not on race, but
> on character.

I said nothing about that matter one way or another, and I have no idea
what could even lead you to make that comment.
In fact, I believe that the most important characteristics to consider
when hiring people are competence and work habits. In particular, a
habit of starting arguments about politics or religion while on the job
should properly be held against you (what you do on your own time in
matters unconnected to your employer is of no legitimate concern for
your employer).
Character is important, but as a highly subjective judgment call, I
suspect some kind of prejudice might be being covered up whenever
character assessment is used to justify rejection of an apparently well-
qualified prospect or acceptance of an apparently poorly-qualified
prospect. Race doesn't belong anywhere in the hiring process.

[Öö Tiib]

His dim accusation in religious and racial bigotry seemed strangely
groundless, out of context and uncalled for. Does he really consider
being a coward as his religious and racial identification? If not
then it felt like his goal was just somehow to try and damage
reputation of you and/or your employer out of blue.

[Tim Rentsch]

James Kuyper <james...@alumni.caltech.edu> writes:

> On 09/23/2018 10:19 PM, <<D6 F6 [05b6]>> Tiib wrote:
>
>> On Monday, 24 September 2018 03:57:50 UTC+3, Real Troll wrote:
>>
>>> Brian was prepared to kill somebody for $150 so it was right and proper
>>> to tell him this is not OK on these newsgroups.
>>
>> What evidence do you have that usage or demonstration of Brian's tools
>> is lethal? I thought it is relatively safe, more so in gun-free
>> environment.
>
> The key point in not how dangerous the demonstration was likely to be,
> but how dangerous Brian thought it would be. His assessment of the
> danger level frightened him enough to make him decide not to attend;
> that being the case, his desire to have someone else do the
> demonstration for him, someone who would be facing precisely the same
> danger, does not reflect well on his character, regardless of how little
> validity there might be in his fears.

This reasoning is flawed in several respects. However since
the subject is off-topic I will say nothing further.

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 11:00:24 AM UTC-5, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>
> This reasoning is flawed in several respects. However since
> the subject is off-topic I will say nothing further.

I wasn't intending to harm anyone. My goal was to help
someone through the gig and to help myself. Besides
helping them financially they would also be learning
about America's first on-line code generator. I'm not
sure if it is America's first on-line code generator,
but I think it is and if it's not maybe someone will
tell me. It first appeared in October of 2002.


Brian

[Tim Rentsch]

woodb...@gmail.com writes:

> On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 11:00:24 AM UTC-5, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>
>> This reasoning is flawed in several respects. However since
>> the subject is off-topic I will say nothing further.
>

> I wasn't intending to harm anyone. [...]

It wasn't your reasoning I was talking about. IMO there is
nothing wrong with your asking if someone would be willing to
give the talk/demo in your place because you have decided not to
go, no matter what your reasons for not going are. If you knew
of some specific information that might change someone's mind
about going and didn't disclose it then I might have a different
reaction, but AFAICS that is not the case here. Whether your
reasoning for not going makes sense to me or not, that has no
bearing (IMO, in case that needs saying) on the okayness of your
asking if someone else will go in your place.