"US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient"

[Lynn McGuire]

"US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient"

http://www.osnews.com/story/29432/US_judge_end_software_patents_copyright_is_sufficient

Finally.

Lynn

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Lynn McGuire wrote:
> "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient"
>

> Finally.

We will never truly be free until all copyright claims are also
abolished. It is enough to require acknowledgement
of the originating authors and those of derived works, but we
must all be completely free to build atop the works of others,
as God has given unto man, through man, separately and
distinctly, so we would work togethetlr, with our goals being to
work together for our mutual benefit and growth.

We are one race, one blood, one family of man. We must work
together to solve our problems and meet our needs. It is the
only way that will endure, and it is the way and teaching of Jesus
Christ: mankind unity through truth, through Him.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

[Lynn McGuire]

Are you saying that software companies should not be able to sell their
software ?

Lynn

[Mr Flibble]

He doesn't want coders to earn a living from their software. He doesn't
want painters to earn a living from their paintings. He doesn't want
sculptors to earn a living form their sculptures. He doesn't want
authors to earn a living from their books. He thinks we should all be
beggars as if God's grace is enough for anyone. The guy is a
hypocritical bigoted fuckwit.

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Lynn McGuire wrote:
> Are you saying that software companies should not be able
> to sell their software ?

The Bible teaches us that we are to be paid for labor, for a service we
provide. A software app takes time to develop. Recovering that
investment is appropriate, in that it cost $10K in labor to create,
and you expect to have 10K people use it, sell it for $1 per copy,
and once you've recovered your investment, switch to a donation-
only model.

Software (and digital media in general) is also different than other
things. A person can spend a year accomplishing development
on some product, to then achieve the final form. They then, becauss
of the properties of digital media, give copies to every person with a
computer on the entire planet, and still have theirs too. This is
not true with chairs, or plates, or ties, or dog collars. It automatically
places software / digital media into another realm which must be
recognized for what it is, a preview of Heaven:

(1) Use without consumption (Moses, burning bush was not
consumed).
(2) A pattern and prompting of how to be: creating, having,
and sharing / giving.
(3) Does not degrade. Only the media it's on degrades. A
software program written in 1960 would still run the
same today on equal hardware. No rusting, no aging,
but rather it is how things will be in Heaven.

The enemy of this world twists God's gift in this area to try to be like
worldly things, when it shares none of the fundamental attributes
with them save one: our involvement in creating new things.

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, October 8, 2016 at 5:52:04 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Lynn McGuire wrote:
> > Are you saying that software companies should not be able
> > to sell their software ?
>
> The Bible teaches us that we are to be paid for labor, for a service we
> provide. A software app takes time to develop. Recovering that
> investment is appropriate, in that it cost $10K in labor to create,
> and you expect to have 10K people use it, sell it for $1 per copy,
> and once you've recovered your investment, switch to a donation-
> only model.

People should be free to set prices however they want.
I know it sometimes leads to high prices, but the alternative
is worse -- e.g. Venezuela.

Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
http://webEbenezer.net

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, October 8, 2016 at 5:07:06 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:

Leigh, please don't swear here.

Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - Sheep may safely graze.
http://webEbenezer.net

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Brian wrote:
> People should be free to set prices however they want.

The Lord commanded Adam that he would labor by the sweat of
his brow until he returned to the ground. This decree by God was
never rescinded, and it is evil to continue to receive gain from prior
efforts of labor without ongoing labor (selling software after it's labor
investment has been returned). It leads to laziness, idle hands, and
all manner of time-filling activities, which are easily pursued into
inappropriateness (sin).

We are one people. We are supposed to be working together
for the betterment of others, not ourselves, because in helping
others, we also help ourselves.

Not money pursuits. But people pursuits. People are alive, and
money is without life, cold and static.

Look at what money pursuits have done. Apple, billions cash on
hand, could single-handidly initiate programs to literally end world
hunger, let alone with a corporate community involvement with
multiple parties. Instead, investors get rich. Apple hoards its
wealth. People die by their riches.

It's not supposed to be like this. The love of money is the root
of all evil. And God cursed the ground for Adam's sake, to keep
him busy, occupied with necessity, focused on needs, not resting in
non-labor (the equivalent of selling software ongoing from prior
work, no new labor, same big price).

Our purposes, our goals, are people, in making their lives better.
You cannot do that with a focus on money, because you cannot
serve both God and money.

[Christian Gollwitzer]

Am 09.10.16 um 00:50 schrieb Rick C. Hodgin:

> (3) Does not degrade. Only the media it's on degrades. A
> software program written in 1960 would still run the
> same today on equal hardware. No rusting, no aging,
> but rather it is how things will be in Heaven.

Have you ever heard of "software rot" or "bitrot"? The software in
itself does not degrade, but the environment evolves, and at some point
you can't successfully run the software any longer.

Christian

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Christian Gollwitzer wrote:

> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > (3) Does not degrade. Only the media it's on degrades. A
> > software program written in 1960 would still run the
> > same today on equal hardware. No rusting, no aging,
> > but rather it is how things will be in Heaven.
>
> Have you ever heard of "software rot" or "bitrot"? The
> software in itself does not degrade, but the environment
> evolves, and at some point you can't successfully run the
> software any longer.

That's why I wrote, "on equal hardware."

And to clarify further, digital media doesn't degrade through use.
A song may be played 10K times, a program may be run a thousand
times a second, it doesn't degrade. Only the hardware they run on
degrades. Copy to another machine, as strong as on day one.

Try that with a rug, blender, or pair of shoes.

Digital media is on a whole separate realm from material things.

[Vir Campestris]

On 09/10/2016 12:32, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Digital media is on a whole separate realm from material things.

It's no different to books or music, where copyright has been in place
for hundreds of years.

Andy

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Vir Campestris wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Digital media is on a whole separate realm from material things.
>
> It's no different to books or music, where copyright has been
> in place for hundreds of years.

Books must be printed. They require harnessing of raw materials,
mechanical setup, printing, shipping, distribution, and stores for sales. They wear out. Can be damaged.

Digital content can be copied at leisure using the same equipment
for all forms. One copy, a billion copies, one type of digital content,
different types, no difference in conveyance, unlike tangible books
which require libraries to have all of them sometimes.

One modern hard drive can hold how many books? And with
the Internet and servers, how many can receive instant copies?
Everyone with a computer.

Totally new paradigm in a device.

[Lynn McGuire]

Wow, that is a twisted reality. You are falsely teaching that profit is
bad.

I feed my family and my nine employees families with our software sales
of over a million dollars per year. We do not do this for free. And my
investors demand a profit.

Lynn

[Real Troll]

On 08/10/2016 21:02, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient"
>
>

Were you thinking of copyrighting your "Hello World!" program? I
thought it was already done by that idiot called Rick Hodgin and when he
is not posting about Jesus he is running and re-running that program just
to make sure it is working as expected.

[Richard Damon]

On 10/8/16 5:31 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient"
>>
>> Finally.
>
> We will never truly be free until all copyright claims are also
> abolished. It is enough to require acknowledgement
> of the originating authors and those of derived works, but we
> must all be completely free to build atop the works of others,

> Best regards,
> Rick C. Hodgin
>

If you truly believe this is workable system, please IMMEDIATELY stop
using all software that claims any significant rights via its copyright.
This also includes the GPL, as that put restrictions on the software
based on copyright law.

The problem with your idea here is that even software authors need to be
able to earn a living, and one very good way is to charge people for the
software they write, which can only be viable if others aren't allowed
to take that same software and 'pirate' it and give it to others.

There are also other individuals/companies who may have other ways to
earn their livelihood, and are willing to develop software 'for free',
but are only willing to do so under what they consider the small
restriction of requiring you to make public any changes you make to it
if you distribute it.

If you really feel it is possible to work in a copyright free software
world, prove it be starting there. That means no Commercial or GPLed
operating system to work in, no Commercial or GPLed development tools,
etc, NONE.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Richard Damon wrote:
> If you truly believe this is workable system, please IMMEDIATELY
> stop using all software that claims any significant rights via
> its copyright. This also includes the GPL, as that put restrictions
> on the software based on copyright law.

There is inertia in getting there. The efforts I speak of do not
currently exist. Someone has to create them.

It's why I started the Liberty Software Foundation. I'm in pursuit
of a full hardware and software stack, motherboard, CPU, memory,
OS, apps, and packaging. It's a Public Domain
offering given to God
(as by the talents He first gave, given back to Him instead of money),
and unto man so that others can take our work and improve upon it.

I explain this philosophy and goal in great detail in this video, beginning
after 30 minutes to the end of the content:

http://www.visual-freepro.org/videos/2012_12_08__01_vvmmc__and_vfrps_relationship_to_christianity.ogv

If you can't view the video, use VLC (http://www.videolan.org).

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Good for you. I wish you all the luck in the world, and more money in
the future.

Now, Rick wants God to be some sort of hardcore communist hive mind?

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Lynn McGuire wrote:
> Wow, that is a twisted reality. You are falsely teaching that profit
> is bad.

Profit isn't bad. A purposed pursuit of profit without labor is bad.
And it's something different if you're handed wealth. Such unexpected
gifts are to be uses to help God's people, to employ, gift, etc.

> I feed my family and my nine employees families with our
> software sales of over a million dollars per year. We do not do
> this for free.

There's nothing wrong with being paid for labor or service. By improving
your software and offering maintenance releases, while selling new
copies with the enhancements ... that's what we're supposed to do.
It's ongoing labor applied to the return.

The things I'm talking about are continuing to sell a product from a
prior labor effort, without new labor being added to improve or
fix the product, once the cost of investment is recovered. That's an
active pursuit of profit beyond labor, and that's at issue. The cost of
labor can also include total expenses beyond labor which are part
of the cost of production.

> And my investors demand a profit.

This is where it can turn into something bad (if it enters into levels
beyond usury, such as above savings account interest rates). It
then becomes a way to retrieve new money without new labor.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/9/2016 6:07 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Lynn McGuire wrote:

[...]

>> And my investors demand a profit.
>
> This is where it can turn into something bad (if it enters into levels
> beyond usury, such as above savings account interest rates). It
> then becomes a way to retrieve new money without new labor.

Selling copies makes God angry? You need to get a grip on you insanity man!

Is God a communist or not? A hive mind perhaps?

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Sunday, October 9, 2016 at 9:12:57 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 10/9/2016 6:07 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Lynn McGuire wrote:
> [...]
> >> And my investors demand a profit.
> >
> > This is where it can turn into something bad (if it enters into levels
> > beyond usury, such as above savings account interest rates). It
> > then becomes a way to retrieve new money without new labor.
>
> Selling copies makes God angry?

Selling copies beyond the cost of labor places an active pursuit on
increasing money. It places an emphasis on money, and the Bible records
that the love of money is the root of all evil:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_timothy/6-10.htm
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some
coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced
themselves through with many sorrows.

Money has no saving power. It becomes a trap that alters one's focus.
People then pursue efforts to keep their money, or get more money, rather
than what's important like helping living human souls in need.

It's the placing a focus on obtaining new money without new labor being
also applied to the effort that's the issue.

> Is God a communist or not? A hive mind perhaps?

See, this is how Satan has taught you in this world. You assume that
communism is the baseline, and that if God were to then employ any kind
of system which is like communism, then God must be a lunatic.

Has it ever occurred to you that God does have a system like communism,
and that because God has a system that is like communism, Satan here on
the Earth has introduced communism, and destroyed it, and soiled it, and
made it look heinous, so that he can try to make God's system look like
something undesirable? Well, that's exactly what's happened.

In Heaven when God gives angels charge to do some task, they don't then
go to the bank to arrange financing. They don't contact the tree growers
and sawmills to make sure they'll have enough lumber to complete their
job. God has told them what to do, and God will give them what they need
to complete their task to the fullest and most beautiful extent.

The Lord's Prayer includes the portions:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/6.htm
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

And:

11 Give us this day our daily bread.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For
thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever.
Amen.

God desires to be our all-in-all. He desires to produce for us such that
we only look to Him. When He rescued His people out of Egypt, they lived
in the desert 40 years. Their clothes didn't wear out. They were given
manna from Heaven six days a week, collecting only enough for the next
day, except on Friday when they collected enough for both Friday and also
Saturday. If they tried to hoard the manna beyond those days, it became
rancid and wormy and stank.

God taught His people to rely upon Him. And it's the way it's supposed
to be today.

God's system is one of trust in Him, such that when we are focused upon
Him as the center of our lives, and we are doing this collectively as a
people, then He is providing all things here upon the land for us to do
all of the things He has for us to do, and those things we are interested
in pursuing.

It is the proper system which looks to God to provide, and God provides,
as the people work together for the goals God gives them, and the pursuits
of their heart (in right ways, and not selfish / sinful ways). And it is
the eternal model seen in Heaven.

It is only Satan who, because he knows this is God's eternal model, sought
a way to make it look like a bad idea here on Earth by using corrupt men
lost in sin to carry out his evil within the effort of communism, so that
it would seem undesirable to men, and keep them from coming to God in this
way, in this effort.

It's one more tool Satan uses to keep people who only give God a causal
glance from coming to the truth of Jesus Christ. But, if you seek the
truth with a real effort, then you will see past Satan's lies and into God
and God's truth, and that truth will make you free (from Satan's lies, and
ultimately from the sentence of death in Hell by receiving salvation from
Jesus Christ as you see Him as God Almighty the Creator of the universe,
and the One who desires with greatest desire to be with us in eternity).

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/9/2016 6:43 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Sunday, October 9, 2016 at 9:12:57 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 10/9/2016 6:07 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> And my investors demand a profit.
>>>
>>> This is where it can turn into something bad (if it enters into levels
>>> beyond usury, such as above savings account interest rates). It
>>> then becomes a way to retrieve new money without new labor.
>>
>> Selling copies makes God angry?
>
> Selling copies beyond the cost of labor places an active pursuit on
> increasing money. It places an emphasis on money, and the Bible records
> that the love of money is the root of all evil:

[...]

My God! Rick thinks God is a communist hive mind!

BTW, you moron, I think I am going sell an infinite amount of copies...
Therefore, I should not go to hell after I sell my first half a million?

Wow.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Chris, if you ask God to open your eyes to the truth, and pursue that end
with a real effort, He will open your eyes to the truth and teach you the
truth so that you too can be saved.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

moron.

[Lynn McGuire]

This is a bunch of buzzwords and gobblygook. You are talking about
stealing the fruit of my labors.

Lynn

[Jerry Stuckle]

What I would like to know is if money is so bad, why does the Catholic
Church have more money invested in property in the world than any other
organization? (at least that was true several years ago). They should
be relying on people opening their homes to hold Mass.

--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
jstu...@attglobal.net
==================

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Lynn McGuire wrote:
> This is a bunch of buzzwords and gobblygook. You are talking
> about stealing the fruit of my labors.

God wants us to rely upon Him for the things we need, not our money,
not our strength, not our abilities. Money is uncertain. Strength fades.
Abilities diminish, and we rarely have all we need alone anyway. But
God never changes. He is always sufficient, even abundant beyond
need.

God cursed the ground when Adam sinned so that Adam wouldn't be
idle and therefore be overrun completely by Satan. By keeping
busy and active, man feels a sense of accomplishment, and there's
an automatic focus on doing the things God established for us.

He didn't give us individually all of the skills required to do all
we need in this world continually. We need each other, and that's
by design. God wants us working together, with our focus on Him
and helping one another, and not on the things of this world. He's
put an explicit focus on people needing people, so our concerns are
on the living (Him first, then each other), and not on dead things
(money, possessions).

Labor continually until we die, always with our focus on Him and
people, such that He then steps into our lives actively and meets
all our needs.

Sin taints that call, by the way. It shifts people's focus readily so they
won't see value in serving God, but will see value in amassing stuff.
But for all who seek the truth, the world will be overcome by us
putting our faith in Jesus Christ such that the born again spirit
nature asserts itself into power and change, such that we are
made free, and serve God rightly, with His purposes forefront, and
paramount.

God first. People second. All other concerns after. When we place
things in that order, God provides all we need, and steers our lives
from within by His Holy Spirit.

[red floyd]

Fuck off with your religious shit.

[Gareth Owen]

Jerry Stuckle <jstu...@attglobal.net> writes:

> What I would like to know is if money is so bad, why does the Catholic
> Church have more money invested in property in the world than any
> other organization?

An interesting question, the asking of which the Catholic church
declared to be heresy in 1323.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Sunday, October 9, 2016 at 11:32:03 PM UTC-4, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> What I would like to know is if money is so bad, why does the Catholic
> Church have more money invested in property in the world than any other
> organization? (at least that was true several years ago). They should
> be relying on people opening their homes to hold Mass.

The answer to that question is self-evident.

Jesus Christ reaches out to people individually, personally, not through
a church, not through a priest, and not through Mary. He, Jesus Christ,
and He alone, stands at the door of YOU and YOUR SOUL and knocks. It is
personal between each of us and Him, and it's always a one-on-one
relationship. It's not about an organization, a pastor, a spouse, a priest,
a fellow church-member, but it is between the person and Jesus Christ
without intervention.

There are so many harmful organizations which operate under the name or
banner of "Christianity" or of being a "Christian." The only way to find
the truth in this world is to seek the truth, and in so doing you are known
to God to be seeking after the truth, and He Himself steps into your life
in an active way and guides you to it, which is to say guides you to His
Son.

For each of us it is personal. It does not involve other people, though
the Lord may use other people in His drawing of you personally to His Son.
But it is never about me, or a anyone in the church, no born again
Christian, no man upon this Earth, but only about Him, though by His grace
and mercy, He chose to ask us to go out into the world and be His voice,
be His hands, be His in this world. But none of us could do it without
the change He first made within us, for it is His Holy Spirit within that
gives any of us the strength to go on teaching about Him in the face of
so much hatred coming back our way.

This world is not a Christian's home. The people here are important, and
they are more important than other things for they are living souls made
in the image and likeness of God.

Until a person can say honestly that they know that, they have never met
the Lord Jesus Christ, and until they refocus their lives to reach out to
those lost people here upon this Earth, desiring to save their eternal
souls from judgment, they are not walking after the Lord nor doing His
work here upon this Earth.

Jesus Christ came to save people. That mission has not changed. People
are of paramount importance to Him, and they are to be redeemed through
Him unto His Kingdom, unto truth, and in so doing live forever with Him.

-----
All of your hateful posts, Jerry, all of your calling people names ...
you do not know the Lord Jesus Christ. You are placing up a banner of
hate before you in all you do. You are dividing, not uniting. You have
the spirit of division within you, not unification. And you have not
been willing to hear rebukes as to your character or professed
Christianity. You are a lost soul, Jerry, giving a bad witness for
Jesus Christ, and your position is one to be fearful of for those who
choose to teach (which is what you are doing in your profession, and
by your actions) shall receive the greater condemnation. You'd better
wake up because you are not promised tomorrow.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/10/2016 3:23 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> This is a bunch of buzzwords and gobblygook. You are talking
>> about stealing the fruit of my labors.
>
> God wants us to rely upon Him for the things we need, not our money,
> not our strength, not our abilities.

[...]

If you are hungry, how long does it take for God to give you food before
you starve to death?

And no Rick, I am not going to turn into a homeless beggar, or live in
poverty, just to make God happy.

I think you are way off in the deep end here Rick. You are making God
sound like total whack job. Good job.

moron.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 2:56:13 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 10/10/2016 3:23 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >> This is a bunch of buzzwords and gobblygook. You are talking
> >> about stealing the fruit of my labors.
> >
> > God wants us to rely upon Him for the things we need, not our money,
> > not our strength, not our abilities.
> [...]
>
> If you are hungry, how long does it take for God to give you food before
> you starve to death?

In this world today, you work. You cast your net into the sea and take
the coin from the mouth of the first fish you catch, a metaphor for
getting a job and being content with what the Lord gives you.

> And no Rick, I am not going to turn into a homeless beggar, or live in
> poverty, just to make God happy.

Here's what Jesus says:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/16-25.htm
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever
will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Save your life unto your personal wants, and you lose it in eternity
as you are in rebellion against God. Lose your life unto Him and His
personal wants, and you save it unto eternity. And losing your life
to Him doesn't mean you don't continue doing the things you have some
personal interests in. It just means you do them now for the Lord
rather than for your own self. You acknowledge Him in the things you
do, as I am doing in my hardware and software efforts.

> I think you are way off in the deep end here Rick. You are making God
> sound like total whack job. Good job.

The Bible says that the message of the cross, and the things related to
the teachings of the Bible, will be total foolishness to those who are
perishing. It is that way because it requires the born again nature to
be able to receive, because God is spirit and the things of God are
spiritually discerned.

Your skin can't see even though light hits it. In order to see you
need an eye. Your mind can't understand the things of God even though
I speak them to you. In order to understand the things of God you need
the spirit.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/10/2016 12:05 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 2:56:13 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 10/10/2016 3:23 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> This is a bunch of buzzwords and gobblygook. You are talking
>>>> about stealing the fruit of my labors.
>>>
>>> God wants us to rely upon Him for the things we need, not our money,
>>> not our strength, not our abilities.
>> [...]
>>
>> If you are hungry, how long does it take for God to give you food before
>> you starve to death?
>
> In this world today, you work. You cast your net into the sea and take
> the coin from the mouth of the first fish you catch, a metaphor for
> getting a job and being content with what the Lord gives you.

Writing software is work, damn it. Selling many copies is not a sin,
damn it! What the heck is wrong with you man?!

;^o

[Melzzzzz]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:05:28 -0700 (PDT)
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Here's what Jesus says:
>
> http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/16-25.htm
> 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever
> will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
>

In order to understand the things of God you
> need the spirit.
>

I cannot find cite but famous Golden Bough says that mankind
traded existence for saving of souls. We choose to live by refusing
savior and eternal life.


--
press any key to continue or any other to quit

[Rick C. Hodgin]

There are many false doctrines and teachings in the world. The truth
resides in one place. The truth speaks with one voice which stands
up continually at all time against all scrutiny. That is found in the
Bible alone, for it was breathed through men's pens by God's Holy Spirit.
It is His word given to us so we won't be fooled by the enemy. We must
pursue truth in learning it, and that requires a significant effort.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

If you look back over these posts, at no point have I said don't sell
software. What I have said is don't sell beyond the cost of the labor
investment.

The love of money is the root of all evil. Money itself is not evil,
just like heroine itself is not evil. But having it in abundance in
continuous close proximity, Satan uses the temptation it provides to
entice people unto sin. How many are strong enough to continually
avoid the sinful side of the temptations associated with it? Not many.
And if it's not money that will take you down, there's something. The
flesh is weak, which is why we need to be born again of the spirit.

Satan is no slouch. He knows how to defeat you. He's studied you since
you were young, and he has in all people's case. It's why we need Jesus
Christ, so that we can overcome in Him because He can see the traps the
vicious enemy Satan places before us, and He can protect us from them.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/proverbs/30.htm

7 Two things have I required of thee; deny me them not before I die:
8 Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor
riches; feed me with food convenient for me:
9 Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the LORD? or lest
I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain.

It is of God's wisdom that He keeps us in labor for our needs. It is
Satan's plan of foolishness that we have soft lives of non-want, for
there is his playground of enticing sin for us to traipse through at
our leisure.

[Melzzzzz]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:17:45 -0700 (PDT)

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 3:13:06 PM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
> > On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:05:28 -0700 (PDT)
> > "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Here's what Jesus says:
> > >
> > > http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/16-25.htm
> > > 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and
> > > whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
> > >
> > In order to understand the things of God you
> > > need the spirit.
> > >
> > I cannot find cite but famous Golden Bough says that mankind
> > traded existence for saving of souls. We choose to live by refusing
> > savior and eternal life.
>
> There are many false doctrines and teachings in the world. The truth
> resides in one place. The truth speaks with one voice which stands
> up continually at all time against all scrutiny. That is found in the
> Bible alone, for it was breathed through men's pens by God's Holy
> Spirit. It is His word given to us so we won't be fooled by the
> enemy. We must pursue truth in learning it, and that requires a
> significant effort.
>

You have to admit that mankind refused teaching of Christ.

> Best regards,
> Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

World-wide. That doesn't remove His teachings as correct, His plan
for man, or what we should be in pursuit of actively. All born again
Christians know this. Everybody else is either in rebellion destined
to perish in their sin, or will come to believe and be saved at some
future date.

I include this in my prayers each day:

Lord, I say a special prayer for all those who will come to believe
in Your name, and for all of my brothers and sisters in Christ around
the world.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/10/2016 12:23 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 3:09:47 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 10/10/2016 12:05 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 2:56:13 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>> On 10/10/2016 3:23 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>> This is a bunch of buzzwords and gobblygook. You are talking
>>>>>> about stealing the fruit of my labors.
>>>>>
>>>>> God wants us to rely upon Him for the things we need, not our money,
>>>>> not our strength, not our abilities.
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> If you are hungry, how long does it take for God to give you food before
>>>> you starve to death?
>>>
>>> In this world today, you work. You cast your net into the sea and take
>>> the coin from the mouth of the first fish you catch, a metaphor for
>>> getting a job and being content with what the Lord gives you.
>>
>> Writing software is work, damn it. Selling many copies is not a sin,
>> damn it! What the heck is wrong with you man?!
>>
>> ;^o
>
> If you look back over these posts, at no point have I said don't sell
> software. What I have said is don't sell beyond the cost of the labor
> investment.

You think the cost of labor is the only expense? lol. Man, you are out
of your mind. It is not a sin to make a profit. Its not a sin to make a
shi% load of money. God is not a communist hive mind.

damn it!

[...]

[Lynn McGuire]

I am a Christian. Rick is what the Bible calls a false teacher. He reads rules and messages into Bible sayings where there is none.

Lynn

[Rick C. Hodgin]

The cost of labor includes fixed costs associated with production, but
it is the motion of man creating and doing that it refers to (ongoing
work).

> It is not a sin to make a profit. Its not a sin to make a

> .. load of money. God is not a communist hive mind.

He says it twice:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/19.htm

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That
a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through
the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom
of God.

There's a famous quote about this passage. A man lay dying and some
came and asked him what he needed before he died? He replied: "A
very small camel and a very large needle."

[Lynn McGuire]

On 10/9/2016 3:20 PM, Real Troll wrote:
> On 08/10/2016 21:02, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> "US judge: end software patents, copyright is sufficient"
>>
>>
>
> Were you thinking of copyrighting your "Hello World!" program? I thought it was already done by that idiot called Rick Hodgin and
> when he is not posting about Jesus he is running and re-running that program just to make sure it is working as expected.

Are you commenting to me ?

Lynn

[Richard]

[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]

Does everyone understand now why this dufus Rick Hodgin is in my KILL
file? Please everyone, filter all his messages and let's get back to
C++.
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[Rick C. Hodgin]

They are not rules and messages. They are the philosophy of God conveyed
throughout. They are His will for us, and there are very few who are
willing to move that way. It requires a very high calling, and most
people are unwilling to give up those parts of their lives. I struggle
with my own walk in so many ways, but I keep coming back to Him on my
knees, and I walk with a conscience in submission to God, such that I
surrender my will to Him before I move, and even before I write these
posts.

I'm perfectly willing to take a rebuke and hear a corrective teaching.
Show me where I'm wrong and I'll make a public profession of the same.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

He also warns about this in Revelation to John. Lukewarm Christianity:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/3.htm

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These
things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the
beginning of the creation of God;

15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would
thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot,
I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and
have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched,
and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou
mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed,
and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint
thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore,
and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice,
and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him,
and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne,
even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his
throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the
churches.

Who has an ear to hear what the Spirit says unto the churches?

[Chris M. Thomasson]

You are totally delusional!

>
>> It is not a sin to make a profit. Its not a sin to make a
>> .. load of money. God is not a communist hive mind.
>
> He says it twice:
>
> http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/19.htm
>
> 23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That
> a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
> 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through
> the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom
> of God.
>
> There's a famous quote about this passage. A man lay dying and some
> came and asked him what he needed before he died? He replied: "A
> very small camel and a very large needle."

What is your definition of rich, Rick?

Now you are trying to say that God is going to send everybody that has a
nice amount of money to Hell. Wow, this God of yours is a total monster
as%hole.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

It's not the money that is bad. Rich people will enter into Heaven. But
when a person has riches they are focused on their riches, on keeping
them, on acquiring more. It is a drawing in one's life that demands
attention, and it prevents one from doing work for the Lord as a person
seeking more money will more often make sacrifices in quality or in some
other area so as to decrease costs and increase revenue.

God would save a person from that distraction, and have them operate in a
way which continually keeps them on their knees acknowledging Him as the
source of that which they have been given, and could ever be given. It
is a happy place to be.

BTW, Paul even warns about getting married. A married person seeks to
please their spouse. A single person seeks to please the Lord. A married
person will necessarily (and rightly) focus their attention and time on
pleasing their spouse, on meeting their needs ... but a single person will
have that time to devote to the Lord.

Paul suggests it's better to remain single, but that not all people can
do this. It is not a command, just guidance for those in this world who
want to serve the Lord to the uttermost.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/7-34.htm

34 There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The
unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she
may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married
careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

It's not a command to not marry, but information for the discerning person
who will choose the things of their life. It is a teaching that the
married person will have focus and attention on things which are not
explicitly of the Lord, but are of the world and of their spouse's needs.
As a married person who is also a believer, I can tell you it's 100% true.

[Melzzzzz]

It is. Heavens gates are closed for such...

Its not a sin to
> make a shi% load of money. God is not a communist hive mind.

Jesus was explicit. It is easier for donkey to pass through narrow
passage then rich to enter Kingdom of Heaven.
Jesus also said that if you want to enter KOH you have to give up on
wealth and follow him.

>
> damn it!
>
> [...]

[Scott Lurndal]

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> writes:
>On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 3:13:06 PM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:05:28 -0700 (PDT)
>> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Here's what Jesus says:
>> >
>> > http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/16-25.htm
>> > 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever
>> > will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
>> >
>> In order to understand the things of God you
>> > need the spirit.
>> >
>> I cannot find cite but famous Golden Bough says that mankind
>> traded existence for saving of souls. We choose to live by refusing
>> savior and eternal life.
>
>There are many false doctrines and teachings in the world.

All of which come from your bible, which you keep
harping on to this completely unrelated newsgroup.

Please, stop your prostelyzing on this unrelated newsgroup.

[Melzzzzz]

eye of nidle is name of narrow passage at that time. It is
mistranslated actually.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

There aren't many examples of this in the world, so it would seem to be
a bad idea. Satan always enters in and destroys all such efforts through
the sin living in each of us in our flesh. He makes the cooperation and
surrender unto God system seem like a cult, and something to be avoided.

It's not a model that has been successful because of sin. And I've had
thoughts that it might not even be truly possible here on Earth because
of sin, but as I have those thoughts I also remember:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/philippians/4-13.htm
13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

It requires that focus on Him, that willingness to put all of our faith
and trust in Him. To do our part, but to call upon His name. And there's
more to it than just my opinion or beliefs in this area. I may have ideas
that are appropriate, but won't work at a particular time (or ever), so
the Lord doesn't just let me run out there with reckless abandon. He is
the Good Shepherd, and He watches over His sheep. He will protect me from
making horrible mistakes. Or rescue me from them if I make them. He's
done it time and time and time again. :-)

To live a life in submission to Jesus Christ, looking to Him for all things,
honoring Him with everything we possess in our lives ... this is what He is
seeking. To worship Him in spirit and truth, with the spirit leading, and
our bodies falling in line behind His guidance through the spirit, unto the
good works of His here on Earth for Him, for our fellow man.

It's a tall calling ... and I haven't personally met anyone yet who is up
for it. And I'm still learning the details of how to proceed, because I
haven't even heard teachings from pastors on how to do it. They all say
that because of sin it will not work. But I know Jesus Christ defeated
sin at the cross. And if we have faith to trust in Him we can accomplish
anything together.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Ummm... You are projecting this bullshi% on all people that have nice
amounts of money. You do not know what the hell you are talking about!

> It is a drawing in one's life that demands
> attention, and it prevents one from doing work for the Lord as a person
> seeking more money will more often make sacrifices in quality or in some
> other area so as to decrease costs and increase revenue.

You are projecting your crap on others again.

> God would save a person from that distraction, and have them operate in a
> way which continually keeps them on their knees acknowledging Him as the
> source of that which they have been given, and could ever be given. It
> is a happy place to be.

Now your telling me that God wants me on my knees forever?

> BTW, Paul even warns about getting married. A married person seeks to
> please their spouse. A single person seeks to please the Lord. A married
> person will necessarily (and rightly) focus their attention and time on
> pleasing their spouse, on meeting their needs ... but a single person will
> have that time to devote to the Lord.
>
> Paul suggests it's better to remain single, but that not all people can
> do this. It is not a command, just guidance for those in this world who
> want to serve the Lord to the uttermost.

WTF! Now I can't make a lot of money and I can't get married because its
too much of a temptation? LOL!!!!

Wow!

[Melzzzzz]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 19:40:44 +0000 (UTC)
legaliz...@mail.xmission.com (Richard) wrote:

> [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
>
> Does everyone understand now why this dufus Rick Hodgin is in my KILL
> file? Please everyone, filter all his messages and let's get back to
> C++.

Well ask something about C++ ;)

[Melzzzzz]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:41:28 -0700 (PDT)

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> I'm perfectly willing to take a rebuke and hear a corrective teaching.
> Show me where I'm wrong and I'll make a public profession of the same.

You are banging against the wall. Long ago it was noted that humanity
refused Christ teachings.
Christianity died when it was accommodated to become Romans state
religion. Romans killed all true Christians then modified religion to
become state religion. End of story.

>
> Best regards,
> Rick C. Hodgin

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Well, that sucks.

>
> Its not a sin to
>> make a shi% load of money. God is not a communist hive mind.
>
> Jesus was explicit. It is easier for donkey to pass through narrow
> passage then rich to enter Kingdom of Heaven.
> Jesus also said that if you want to enter KOH you have to give up on
> wealth and follow him.

damn. Now I have to give all my money away and start preaching the bible
in the streets! What a life.

BTW, Rick is insane.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 3:58:25 PM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
> eye of nidle is name of narrow passage at that time. It is
> mistranslated actually.

Have never heard that before. And given the prior conveyances you've
had regarding scripture, I will have to see proof of that from a
Biblical scholar.

Here's what the original Greek tells us about those passages:

http://biblehub.com/text/matthew/19-24.htm

eye -- http://biblehub.com/greek/5169.htm
of a needle -- http://biblehub.com/greek/raphidos_4476.htm
to pass -- http://biblehub.com/greek/1525.htm

[Melzzzzz]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:55:32 -0700 (PDT)

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

? Rich people will enter into Heaven.

Hahahhahahhahahhah

[Melzzzzz]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 13:02:35 -0700

"Chris M. Thomasson" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>

> WTF! Now I can't make a lot of money and I can't get married because
> its too much of a temptation? LOL!!!!

That is the point. Mankind has to perish in order to save souls ;)

>
> Wow!

[Melzzzzz]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 13:07:53 -0700

Of course.

>
> >
> > Its not a sin to
> >> make a shi% load of money. God is not a communist hive mind.
> >
> > Jesus was explicit. It is easier for donkey to pass through narrow
> > passage then rich to enter Kingdom of Heaven.
> > Jesus also said that if you want to enter KOH you have to give up on
> > wealth and follow him.
>
> damn. Now I have to give all my money away and start preaching the
> bible in the streets! What a life.

Some actually did that. Christianity is actually self destructive cult.
You have to give up on this life in order to gain eternal life.
You have to die for this world. That's clear message.
What Romans (especially Byzantine) did to this is that wealthy man and
man of questionable morality became saints. Even brother killers.


>
> BTW, Rick is insane.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 4:02:43 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> ... Now I can't make a lot of money and I can't get married because its

> too much of a temptation? LOL!!!!

You are misreading I'm writing, either intentionally or unintentionally.

If you care at all about the truth, seek the truth. If not, then don't.
God gives you the choice to choose, and it is you who must live or die
from the consequences of your choices, Chris.

I point you to Jesus Christ and give you His teachings as best I'm able.
It's up to you now to do the rest.

[Melzzzzz]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 13:08:35 -0700 (PDT)

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 3:58:25 PM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
> > eye of nidle is name of narrow passage at that time. It is
> > mistranslated actually.
>
> Have never heard that before. And given the prior conveyances you've
> had regarding scripture, I will have to see proof of that from a
> Biblical scholar.

Pfffffffffffffttttttttttttttt.
It's enough to quote C++ standard, now you want to quote biblical
scholars ;))))))0

[Jerry Stuckle]

On 10/10/2016 2:04 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

... Nothing worth repeating.

Damn - I thought Rick plonked me. He promised never to reply to me again.

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[Jerry Stuckle]

On 10/10/2016 3:09 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 10/10/2016 12:05 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 2:56:13 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson

>> wrote:
>>> On 10/10/2016 3:23 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>> This is a bunch of buzzwords and gobblygook. You are talking
>>>>> about stealing the fruit of my labors.
>>>>
>>>> God wants us to rely upon Him for the things we need, not our money,
>>>> not our strength, not our abilities.
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> If you are hungry, how long does it take for God to give you food before
>>> you starve to death?
>>
>> In this world today, you work. You cast your net into the sea and take
>> the coin from the mouth of the first fish you catch, a metaphor for
>> getting a job and being content with what the Lord gives you.
>
> Writing software is work, damn it. Selling many copies is not a sin,
> damn it! What the heck is wrong with you man?!
>
> ;^o
>

Well, let's see. I can spend $100,000 worth of my time writing a great
program. I can sell 0 copies at $100,000 ea. Or I can sell 20,000
copies at $10 ea.

I the first case, I am hungry, homeless and without means to make more
money because my computer died and I can't afford to fix/replace it. In
the second case, I have a warm home for my family, food on the table and
money left over to buy new equipment.

But according to Rick, I can't sell the copies. I can only sell the
original.

[Jerry Stuckle]

You've never run a business, Rick. The cost of labor is separate from
non-labor costs, both fixed and variable. And it has to be tracked
separately for tax and insurance purposes. All added together gives the
cost of production.

[Jerry Stuckle]

Yes, definitely don't get married. Women are the root of all evil!
Instead, hire a prostitute to satisfy your needs!

> Paul suggests it's better to remain single, but that not all people can
> do this. It is not a command, just guidance for those in this world who
> want to serve the Lord to the uttermost.
>

Promoting adultery!

> http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/7-34.htm
>
> 34 There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The
> unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she
> may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married
> careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.
>
> It's not a command to not marry, but information for the discerning person
> who will choose the things of their life. It is a teaching that the
> married person will have focus and attention on things which are not
> explicitly of the Lord, but are of the world and of their spouse's needs.
> As a married person who is also a believer, I can tell you it's 100% true.
>
> Best regards,
> Rick C. Hodgin
>

[Jerry Stuckle]

On 10/10/2016 3:17 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 3:13:06 PM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:

>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:05:28 -0700 (PDT)

>> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>

>>> Here's what Jesus says:
>>>
>>> http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/16-25.htm
>>> 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever
>>> will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
>>>
>> In order to understand the things of God you
>>> need the spirit.
>>>
>> I cannot find cite but famous Golden Bough says that mankind
>> traded existence for saving of souls. We choose to live by refusing
>> savior and eternal life.
>

> There are many false doctrines and teachings in the world. The truth
> resides in one place. The truth speaks with one voice which stands
> up continually at all time against all scrutiny. That is found in the
> Bible alone, for it was breathed through men's pens by God's Holy Spirit.
> It is His word given to us so we won't be fooled by the enemy. We must
> pursue truth in learning it, and that requires a significant effort.

>
> Best regards,
> Rick C. Hodgin
>

And some of those false doctrines can be found in c.l.c++. But those
espousing those doctrines don't recognize themselves.

[Jerry Stuckle]

On 10/10/2016 3:37 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

> On 10/10/2016 1:56 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 10/10/2016 3:23 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> This is a bunch of buzzwords and gobblygook. You are talking
>>>> about stealing the fruit of my labors.
>>>
>>> God wants us to rely upon Him for the things we need, not our money,
>>> not our strength, not our abilities.
>> [...]
>>
>> If you are hungry, how long does it take for God to give you food
>> before you starve to death?
>>

>> And no Rick, I am not going to turn into a homeless beggar, or live in
>> poverty, just to make God happy.
>>
>> I think you are way off in the deep end here Rick. You are making God
>> sound like total whack job. Good job.
>>
>> moron.
>
> I am a Christian. Rick is what the Bible calls a false teacher. He
> reads rules and messages into Bible sayings where there is none.
>

> Lynn

Lynn, I agree on both counts.

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 12:24:03 PM UTC-5, red floyd wrote:

Even though your name is Red, I hope you won't
leave this group and go to Reddit where sheep
aren't able to safely graze.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net

[Rick C. Hodgin]

We read:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/10-24.htm

24 Let no man seek his own, but
every man another's wealth.

Our goals are to improve other people's lives, to increase their substance,
because our acts of giving are repaid by God in Heaven, and they
endure forever. If we receive payment here, we have our reward in
full.

Satan robs us blind by having us seek worldly gain. He wants even
those who are saved to enter eternity bankrupt (figuratively speaking):

http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/6.htm

19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth
and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and
steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither
moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break
through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/10/2016 2:12 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 10/10/2016 3:09 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 10/10/2016 12:05 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 2:56:13 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 10/10/2016 3:23 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>> This is a bunch of buzzwords and gobblygook. You are talking
>>>>>> about stealing the fruit of my labors.
>>>>>
>>>>> God wants us to rely upon Him for the things we need, not our money,
>>>>> not our strength, not our abilities.
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> If you are hungry, how long does it take for God to give you food before
>>>> you starve to death?
>>>
>>> In this world today, you work. You cast your net into the sea and take
>>> the coin from the mouth of the first fish you catch, a metaphor for
>>> getting a job and being content with what the Lord gives you.
>>
>> Writing software is work, damn it. Selling many copies is not a sin,
>> damn it! What the heck is wrong with you man?!
>>
>> ;^o
>>
>
> Well, let's see. I can spend $100,000 worth of my time writing a great
> program. I can sell 0 copies at $100,000 ea. Or I can sell 20,000
> copies at $10 ea.

Damn right.

>
> I the first case, I am hungry, homeless and without means to make more
> money because my computer died and I can't afford to fix/replace it. In
> the second case, I have a warm home for my family, food on the table and
> money left over to buy new equipment.
>
> But according to Rick, I can't sell the copies. I can only sell the
> original.

AFAICT, I think, in his wacky world of radically intense insanity, God
only allows one to sell a 100,000$ worth at 1 dollar a unit. This is
because you performed a 100,000$ worth of labor. But, according to Rick,
God's right hand man, if you make any money over a 100 grand and keep
the profits for your family's well being, then you are equal to the sins
of hi%ler, because, hey man, sin is sin is sin, ya know?

Damn, rick is nuts! And be the way, Rick is promoting God as a hardcore,
communist hive mind dictator, hyper-jealous demented wack job. That
wants his creations to be on their knees, and be happy about it!

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 5:57:20 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> We read:
>
> http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/10-24.htm
>
> 24 Let no man seek his own, but
> every man another's wealth.

The King James Version is poetic and all, but
isn't that great in my opinion. The New American
Standard Bible translates that last verse like this:

"Let no one seek his own good, but that of his neighbor."

And I think writing it as:

Let no one only seek his own good, but that of his neighbor.

may be close to the intent.


Brian

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/9/2016 6:07 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> Wow, that is a twisted reality. You are falsely teaching that profit
>> is bad.
>
> Profit isn't bad. A purposed pursuit of profit without labor is bad.
> And it's something different if you're handed wealth. Such unexpected
> gifts are to be uses to help God's people, to employ, gift, etc.

Damn it Rick! Okay... The next time somebody hands you wealth, give some
to everybody on this group!

[woodb...@gmail.com]

On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 8:41:53 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:


Chris, please don't swear here.

Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - Sheep may safely graze.
http://webEbenezer.net

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/10/2016 6:46 PM, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 8:41:53 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>
>
> Chris, please don't swear here.

Ummm, the word _damn_ actually offends you? Wow. Just, wow.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/10/2016 6:41 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 10/9/2016 6:07 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> Wow, that is a twisted reality. You are falsely teaching that profit
>>> is bad.
>>
>> Profit isn't bad. A purposed pursuit of profit without labor is bad.
>> And it's something different if you're handed wealth. Such unexpected
>> gifts are to be uses to help God's people, to employ, gift, etc.

Now wait a minute here... You are saying that I can only pay employees
with "unexpected gifts", or else I will go to Hell?

[Melzzzzz]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 18:53:25 -0700

"Chris M. Thomasson" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

God does not like such ;)

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 10:02:14 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 10/10/2016 6:41 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > On 10/9/2016 6:07 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >> Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>> Wow, that is a twisted reality. You are falsely teaching that profit
> >>> is bad.
> >>
> >> Profit isn't bad. A purposed pursuit of profit without labor is bad.
> >> And it's something different if you're handed wealth. Such unexpected
> >> gifts are to be uses to help God's people, to employ, gift, etc.
>
> Now wait a minute here... You are saying that I can only pay employees
> with "unexpected gifts", or else I will go to Hell?

Chris, if you want to know the truth ... pursue the truth. You are
demonstrating yourself to be an individual who doesn't seek the truth,
either purposefully so as to mock my posts and mock God, or because
you simply are not seeking the truth and therefore honestly do not
understand.

In both cases I advise you: seek the truth. Approach the material
with an inquisitive mind. Consider what it says, ponder on it before
you react. If you press in and ask questions within your mind, God
will know you are doing this and He will give you those answers.
Some will come immediately, or shortly thereafter. Others might need
to be revealed to you differently, and something will happen in your
life some hours or days later where you'll be in a circumstance where
it will then make sense to you.

Be patient. God moves with purpose, deliberately, with a plan. Satan
moves upon our emotions, our feelings, our flesh, trying to get us to
respond in the moment. You can remember this by the example God gave
us: weeds grow up quickly, but are useless weeds. True plants, true
fruit, true vegetables, those that are good for eating full of vitamins
and minerals, these take time to grow. They require cultivation, to
keep the weeds away, protection from the wild animals which come to
eat them up. It is the same with God's word. Give it that same type
of attention, protecting it from the weeds, protecting it from the wild
animals that will come to consume it (unholy people, false teachings,
false doctrines), and you will be on your path.

In short: Dig deep in your thinking on the things of God, and be patient.

[Ike Naar]

On 2016-10-10, Chris M. Thomasson <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 10/10/2016 12:05 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 2:56:13 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

>>> On 10/10/2016 3:23 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>> Lynn McGuire wrote:

>>>>> This is a bunch of buzzwords and gobblygook. You are talking
>>>>> about stealing the fruit of my labors.
>>>>
>>>> God wants us to rely upon Him for the things we need, not our money,
>>>> not our strength, not our abilities.
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> If you are hungry, how long does it take for God to give you food before
>>> you starve to death?
>>
>> In this world today, you work. You cast your net into the sea and take
>> the coin from the mouth of the first fish you catch, a metaphor for
>> getting a job and being content with what the Lord gives you.
>
> Writing software is work, damn it. Selling many copies is not a sin,
> damn it! What the heck is wrong with you man?!

If it's not a sin, why do you damn it?

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/10/2016 1:18 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 4:02:43 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> ... Now I can't make a lot of money and I can't get married because its
>> too much of a temptation? LOL!!!!
>
> You are misreading I'm writing, either intentionally or unintentionally.

[...]

moron!

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/10/2016 7:02 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 18:53:25 -0700
> "Chris M. Thomasson" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 10/10/2016 6:46 PM, woodb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 8:41:53 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris, please don't swear here.
>>
>> Ummm, the word _damn_ actually offends you? Wow. Just, wow.
>>
>
> God does not like such ;)

All praise be to Jesus, in Rick holey name.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/11/2016 5:03 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
[...]

GOD is nicer than you think it is!
lol. wow, you retarded nice person!

moron.

[Öö Tiib]

Can someone explain how to figure out what was damned there ... writing
software plus selling many copies or work plus sin?

[Chris M. Thomasson]

I would like to be a Christian that is not totally insane... DAMN IT!

People like the infinite moron, anti-god:Rick, makes this damn near
impossible.

;^I

[Rick C. Hodgin]

How old are you, Chris?

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/11/2016 3:42 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> How old are you, Chris?

Born in late 77.

[Jerry Stuckle]

What difference does it make?

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[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/11/2016 6:06 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 10/11/2016 6:49 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 10/11/2016 3:42 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> How old are you, Chris?
>> Born in late 77.
>>
>
> What difference does it make?

Humm... Yeah... Now that you mention it, Rick's question does sound a
creepy... ;^)

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/11/2016 5:03 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 10:02:14 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 10/10/2016 6:41 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>> On 10/9/2016 6:07 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>> Wow, that is a twisted reality. You are falsely teaching that profit
>>>>> is bad.
>>>>
>>>> Profit isn't bad. A purposed pursuit of profit without labor is bad.
>>>> And it's something different if you're handed wealth. Such unexpected
>>>> gifts are to be uses to help God's people, to employ, gift, etc.
>>
>> Now wait a minute here... You are saying that I can only pay employees
>> with "unexpected gifts", or else I will go to Hell?
>
> Chris, if you want to know the truth ... pursue the truth. You are
> demonstrating yourself to be an individual who doesn't seek the truth,
> either purposefully so as to mock my posts and mock God, or because
> you simply are not seeking the truth and therefore honestly do not
> understand.

ROFL!!!!! I mock YOU rick! not God.

Fuc%ing dumbass!

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> ROFL!!!!! I mock YOU rick! not God.

And why do you mock me? Because I post the truth about Jesus Christ.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 10/12/2016 5:20 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> ROFL!!!!! I mock YOU rick! not God.
>
> And why do you mock me? Because I post the truth about Jesus Christ.

Because you make God look really bad.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I've posted twice to you asking you to seek the truth. You have not
understood what I've posted, and it is the view you have through
your misunderstanding that makes God look bad.

You'll never find the truth, Chris, until you start looking for it. As long
as you continue to not seek the truth, to not try to get a true and
proper understanding, your destination after death remains the same.

[Scott Lurndal]

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> writes:
>Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> > > ROFL!!!!! I mock YOU rick! not God.
>> > And why do you mock me? Because I post the truth about Jesus Christ.
>>
>> Because you make God look really bad.
>
>I've posted twice to you asking you to seek the truth.

No, you've posted a lot of nonsense and fairy tales. You have
no right to ask anyone anything.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I am pointing people to seek the truth with a full and honest effort.
It's not possible that this request is an objectionable form of advice.
The truth is what we must all seek in all things.

Satan sends us falseness. Alternatives to what God has established in
creation, and for all time. God's ways are right and true and proper
and will endure. Satan's alternatives are weak, and false, and designed
to harm us, and none of them will endure. They do not even stand up to
rigorous scrutiny. Everything Satan does always comes back to identify
exactly the point at which he strayed from truth. He is the master of
it, and many people will be consumed by his lies by not seeking the
truth.

-----
I have found the truth in Jesus Christ. He Himself proclaimed He is the
truth. Now He either is, or He isn't. If He is, then His proclamation
of being the truth is also true.

I am asking each of you to seek that fact out for yourself. To search
with a full and honest effort the truth of the matter. If you do, He
promises you that you will find the truth, and that the truth will make
you free. And I testify that what He promises is completely true, for
I have personally experienced it.

Seek the truth. Seek it fully. Wholly. Completely. Accept no
substitutes. No cheap copies. No pretenders. Seek the truth, the
whole truth, and nothing but the truth, and let truth dictate the
reality of those things around you. If you do, you'll be amazed.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

19 quotes by C.H. Spurgeon about the dangers of money:

http://center.spurgeon.org/2016/10/13/19-spurgeon-quotes-about-the-dangers-of-money/