Please do not reply to Hodgin's C++ posts...

[leigh.v....@googlemail.com]

... until he stops spamming this newsgroup with his bullshit religious posts.

/Leigh

[David Brown]

On 17/03/17 13:10, leigh.v....@googlemail.com wrote:
> ... until he stops spamming this newsgroup with his bullshit religious posts.
>

<rant>

There seems to be a lot of animosity from some people in this group.

It strikes me as perfectly reasonable to reply to on-topic posts,
regardless of who posts them or what other kinds of posts they make.

It is usually a bad idea to respond to off-topic posts. (I know I've
been guilty of that - so have most people.)

If you are unable to contain your desires for making off-topic posts
(whether it be about your god or your sausages), please keep it within a
single thread, and make such posts as rarely as you can.

And if you don't like such off-topic threads, then just kill/ignore the
thread. Everyone knows that Rick can't help posting religious stuff,
Brian can't help whining when someone uses a naughty word, and Leigh
can't help provoking both of them given half a chance. No amount of
persuasion is going to make them change their ways. With Thunderbird,
you just press "K" to ignore the thread, or "shift-K" to ignore the
sub-thread. Other newsreaders will have similar capabilities.


</rant>

[kushal bhattacharya]

am really sorry about this but its true that this is some thing irritating

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 8:11:04 AM UTC-4, leigh.v....@googlemail.com wrote:
> ... until he stops spamming this newsgroup with his .. religious posts.

Do you know why it bothers you so much, Leigh? Because you know deep
down that these things are not being taught by me, but are being taught
through me by God, and He is also confirming them in your core being.

It is the same for all people who reject God:

http://biblehub.com/john/3-20.htm
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh
to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

You desire your sin more than you desire to be saved. It also means
God's judgment remains upon you.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

[David Brown]

On 17/03/17 13:41, kushal bhattacharya wrote:
> am really sorry about this but its true that this is some thing irritating
>

Kushal, I know you want to make posts with questions about C++ in this
group. But you have a great deal to learn about Usenet and
communication in general, making it somewhat ironic for you to be making
such complaints. I suspect that some people here automatically ignore
/your/ posts, because your posting style irritates them. And that is a
shame, since you clearly want to discuss C++.

Let me give you some suggestions that will help you get more help from
this group.


It is clear that English is not your first language, but you handle it
well. It's fair enough to make some mistakes in grammar or spelling as
long as your meaning is clear. But make the effort to get basic grammar
and structure correct - use capital letters at the beginning of
sentences and for "I", and use punctuation and spacing appropriately.

Google groups is a very poor interface for Usenet. I strongly recommend
getting a proper newsserver account and a proper newsreader program.
There are many available - a popular free server is
"news.eternal-september.org", and Thunderbird is a fine newsreader
client for Linux and Windows. It will make it faster and easier for you
to read the group, and much easier for you to make posts that follow
Usenet standards.

Use correct quoting of articles when you follow-up, and make sure that
attributions (i.e., who wrote what) are correct. This can be done with
Google groups, but is far easier with a proper Usenet client.

When writing questions and posts, remember that no one else can guess
details such as what OS you are targeting, what tools you are using, or
anything else that might be relevant. Give more information, and it
will be easier for people to help.

Try to reduce your problems to a minimal piece of code that can be
compiled and still shows the same problem. Often this exercise itself
is enough to help you find your own solution. But if not, it means that
others can see everything they need to understand the code and perhaps
try it themselves to help you out. If it is a compile-time issue, make
use of the online compiler at https://gcc.godbolt.org/ - if people can
cut-and-paste your code to that site, it is far easier to try it out.

If you find that no one is replying to your posts, then it is likely
that your question is poorly written. If you make several replies to
your own post, there is a good chance that people will just assume you
are another one of those annoying posters who treats a Usenet group as a
sort of blog where they talk to themselves. This is especially true
with repeated posts in a short time. You should probably think through
the problem a bit more, re-phrase the issue and write a clearer and more
considered post rather than having to keep adding new information.


Hopefully, these tips will help you help yourself.

[Mr Flibble]

I find Christianity personally offensive; a technical newsgroup such as
this one is a lot like most workplaces: overt religiosity is banned
(because it is more trouble than it is worth) and if Rick preached where
I worked like he does in this newsgroup he wouldn't last long.

/Flibble

[kushal bhattacharya]

Thanks a lot man. I will surely try to follow all the instructions that you mentioned above but could you please guide me about how do I follow usenet and how to use thunderbird and install it in linux?

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 1:24:58 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> I find Christianity personally offensive; a technical newsgroup such as
> this one is a lot like most workplaces: overt religiosity is banned
> (because it is more trouble than it is worth) and if Rick preached where
> I worked like he does in this newsgroup he wouldn't last long.

Unless you repent and receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, there is
soon coming a day when you will long with greatest longing to have one
more day to come back to the Earth and do exactly that.

Your entire future is at stake, Leigh.

It's why I post these messages ... because TODAY you have a chance to
be forgiven. TOMORROW is too late because none of us are promised
tomorrow.

-----
When you get the perspective (that we are accountable to God for our
sin), then you will realize why it is so important that we should not
only talk about Jesus Christ at church and in Bible Study and other
"religious" activities, but rather in all areas of our lives. This
is the Biblical teaching, and it is the one given us from God, and
it is the one by which we will be judged:

http://biblehub.com/ephesians/6-4.htm
4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring
them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

For those who have not had that upbringing, it is a requirement that
we teach them the gospel, as is commanded by the Lord:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/28.htm
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given
unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded
you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the
world. Amen.

And here is the final word in the Bible regarding our futures:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/22.htm
10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of
this book: for the time is at hand.
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is
filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let
him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy
still.

Verse 11 tells us not to force our religion on people as by outside
force, but only to teach them with words. If a person rejects it, we
have done our part and will not be held accountable for their blood.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give
every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and
the last.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have
right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates
into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and
murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things
in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and
the bright and morning star.

And here is the culmination of the gift of life given to us by Jesus'
atoning death at the cross:

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth
say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will,
let him take the water of life freely.

The water of life freely ... eternal life.

[David Brown]

The key point about that is you find it /personally/ offensive - and I
am sure you have good reason for that attitude. I think most people
find Rick's religious posts annoying, but not offensive.

Brian finds posts with swearing to be "personally offensive" - yet most
of us, including you, have nothing against the occasional swear word if
it seems appropriate in the context.

It is always difficult to draw lines about what is "offensive" or
"immoral". I would complain about sexist, racist or homophobic remarks
- but usually ignore posts that are just annoying. Since it is
perfectly clear that every complaint about Rick's religious posts
provokes a new one, that is, I think, the only sensible strategy. The
same goes for your regular posts about how evolution "disproves"
Christianity - a claim that I think is ridiculous (even though I am not
religious, and I understand evolution as well as any interested layman).
Repeats of the same post are annoying, but there is no way to convince
you to stop, so I simply ignore those posts.

But of course your killfile is your own business - if you want to
killfile Rick or ignore his posts, that's fine. However, I am not
convinced it is the best general advice for others - they can make up
their own minds.

[David Brown]

"apt-get install thunderbird", or use whatever package manager you have
for your distro. (If you are using Debian, it uses a different name for
Thunderbird because they feel that Mozilla's trademarks make it non-free
software. Google a little, and you will surely find a web page
explaining things.)

And you need a news account at a news server. I recommend going to
news.eternal-september.org - it's quite simple to register there, and
entirely free.

Again, Google is your friend for how to set up a news account in
Thunderbird - it's quite simple once you know where to look, and a
webpage will give more detail than is appropriate in a C++ newsgroup.

Also see Alf's recent post "How to simply not see certain postings, with
Thunderbird".

[Mr Flibble]

My claim regarding evolution and Christ's existence isn't ridiculous at
all: evolution being a fact means Adam and Eve never existed which means
Adam and Eve's descendants AS DESCRIBED IN THE BIBLE also never existed.

>
> But of course your killfile is your own business - if you want to
> killfile Rick or ignore his posts, that's fine. However, I am not
> convinced it is the best general advice for others - they can make up
> their own minds.

Rick is in my killfile but people still reply to his posts and those
replies aren't blocked by my killfile.

/Flibble

[Ian Collins]

On 03/18/17 07:41 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>
> Rick is in my killfile but people still reply to his posts and those
> replies aren't blocked by my killfile.

Change your Thunderbird filter to "ignore sub-thread".

--
Ian

[Öö Tiib]

On Friday, 17 March 2017 20:32:40 UTC+2, David Brown wrote:
> On 17/03/17 18:24, Mr Flibble wrote:
> I think most people
> find Rick's religious posts annoying, but not offensive.

About as non-offensive as would be shitting into well from what other
people drink.

[kushal bhattacharya]

Thanks a lot David.
I think I have thunderbird installed in my ubuntu os.
I will try to google it and try to setup now.

[w...@totalbb.net.tw]

Well said. I do believe you have your reason to preach, can't help thinking
what kind of sin really down there in your soul (hope not offensive, i have
no religion).

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Saturday, March 18, 2017 at 8:30:34 AM UTC-4, w...@totalbb.net.tw wrote:
> ...can't help thinking
> what kind of sin really down there in your soul...

I am like everyone else. I have sinned in my life. Some big sins.
Some little sins. But before a "Holy, Holy, Holy" God, they are all
equal. To God, sin is sin and is unacceptable in a universe created
in truth, founded on truth, and enduring in truth. To such a creation,
falseness is a cancer that only destroys:

http://biblehub.com/james/2-10.htm
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one
point, he is guilty of all.

We are all guilty before God. It's why I point you all to Jesus. He
has the authority and desire to forgive your sin and give you eternal
life. He doesn't want to judge anyone. But, because of our sin, if
we do not accept His free offer of forgiveness and salvation, He will.

I need Jesus. I am no different than anyone else. I have Jesus now
in my life, and I know the freedom He affords from sin, and a re-
polarization of my internal driving forces so that I no longer want
to sin. He did that for me. I did not achieve something on my own.

I came to Him acknowledging that I was a sinner, repenting of my sin,
not wanting it, and He made it possible for me to stop sinning. Of
course I still stumble from time to time. I make mistakes. I'm in
no way perfect. I am a flawed person in this body, but my spirit
seeks God rightly and I desire to be more than my flaws, and He makes
it possible for me. It's not me doing on my own. It's Him in my
life making it possible.

He can do the same for each of you. He wants to do the same for each
of you. I point you to Him so you can come to Him and ask forgiveness
for your sin and be saved as well. He will work on straightening out
your life the same as He did my life. And, in the process, you too
will encounter an unending slew of people who come at you saying in
vulgarity and profanity that those things you do leading them to life
and life eternal are the equivalent of defalcating in public water
sources. What kind of twisted thinking is that, that the one pointing
people to forgiveness, life, and life eternal, is the same as doing
some heinous act? It is only the one who has not yet heard the call
of Christ in their heart, for when they do they too will see the error
of their ways, and their attack on men and women like me who have done
nothing more than lead them to Jesus Christ so they too could be saved.

-----
I have sin. I need a savior. Jesus is my savior. And now I have
eternal life. He will do the same for you ... if you ask Him.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Should be "defecating." I clicked on the wrong spell-checker word as
I didn't know how to spell "deficating" (in my thinking). :-) I didn't
even know defalcating was a word. It means embezzlement of public
funds apparently.

> and life eternal are the equivalent of defecating in public water

> sources. What kind of twisted thinking is that, that the one pointing
> people to forgiveness, life, and life eternal, is the same as doing
> some heinous act? It is only the one who has not yet heard the call
> of Christ in their heart, for when they do they too will see the error
> of their ways, and their attack on men and women like me who have done
> nothing more than lead them to Jesus Christ so they too could be saved.
>
> -----
> I have sin. I need a savior. Jesus is my savior. And now I have
> eternal life. He will do the same for you ... if you ask Him.

It's not offensive to teach people about Jesus. It's what He calls us
to do. It is offensive to not receive it. It's not offensive to me,
but it is offense of one's self, and to the God who paid the price to
make a way for you to be set free. It is offensive to that offering
of unparalleled love and compassion for you in your life. This is not
like forgiveness of a monetary debt. This is eternal life in the form
God originally created you to be, and intended for you to be, before
sin entered into the world and created this fallen world of death,
disease, war and loss that we see. It's not supposed to be like this,
and Jesus is the path back to what it's supposed to be like:

What will Heaven be like?

http://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/22.htm
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal,
proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river,
was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits,
and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were
for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the
Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their
foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle,
neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light:
and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Nobody knows the explicit details. But Jesus Himself described it as
paradise:

http://biblehub.com/luke/23-43.htm
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt
thou be with me in paradise.

To put it in modern terms: It's better than the Nexus from Star Trek.
And it's available to everybody. Nobody has to perish. Everyone can
be saved. What Jesus did at the cross was sufficient to save ALL
people WORLDWIDE. It is only us (we ourselves by our choice) who will
reject Him. He calls out to all people to come to Him and be saved,
to be a part of His eternal Kingdom.

[bitrex]

On 03/18/2017 09:14 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> I came to Him acknowledging that I was a sinner, repenting of my sin,
> not wanting it, and He made it possible for me to stop sinning. Of
> course I still stumble from time to time. I make mistakes. I'm in
> no way perfect. I am a flawed person in this body, but my spirit
> seeks God rightly and I desire to be more than my flaws, and He makes
> it possible for me. It's not me doing on my own. It's Him in my
> life making it possible.

The difficulty with "Honor thy father and mother" is that unfortunately,
not all parents actually love their children (at least not in the way
"normal" people would conceptualize it.) Sadly, some seem to have been
born without the equipment to do so, and yet they often have children
regardless.

For example:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_B_personality_disorders>

Even psychopaths have children from time to time. In what way should a
child "honor" a psychopath?

[Rick C. Hodgin]

God made each of us without all of the skills necessary to get by in
life. We all need each other to fill in the gaps, the shortcomings,
the weaknesses.

He built in us a community. This is what Christ teaches. He teaches
that He came to the Earth to bring division, not unity ... but everyone
that comes to Him is united in Him, such that the division is for
those still focused upon the Earth and the things of the Earth. When
we set our sights above onto Him, He brings us unity in our lives ...
but it comes with diligence and focus, purpose and passion. It is not
for idlers, but is for doers, and those who believe in what He's
given us so strongly that we are then teachers to everyone else in our
lives.

[Juha Nieminen]

leigh.v....@googlemail.com wrote:
> ... until he stops spamming this newsgroup with his bullshit religious posts.

He will never stop, so it doesn't make any difference.

Just call him out on his hypocrisy.