Poe's law

[Mr Flibble]

Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear
indicator of the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of
extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by
some readers or viewers as a sincere expression of the parodied
views.[1][2][3]

The original statement of the adage, by Nathan Poe, was:[1]

Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is
utterly impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone
won't mistake for the genuine article.

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Such things are considered, Leigh, but it's not possible to know
for sure because there is no indication. And the "parody" you are
indicating is actually a blasphemous bit of writing, which is not
something that a Christian would consider joking around about as
we place a high emphasis on God because of who He is.

The thing you misunderstand about Christians, Leigh, is that we do
move differently than you do, but it's not because there's something
wrong with us, but it's because we have been changed from within by
what Jesus did at the cross and when we ask Him to forgive our sins.

The spirit nature is real, and it asserts itself, which gives us a
different perspective on everything. It's different for us from our
"old man" before we believed, and it's different than the general
world's view on things.

Until you experience it, it would be like trying to explain sight
to a blind man. He'd never really understand until he could see.
With you, you'll never really understand until you are saved and
then it will just be second nature and you'll be like, "Ah yes" as
it all makes sense to you.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Alf P. Steinbach]

Since the references [1][2][3] seem to lacking, did you quote this from
Wikipedia?

And why did you post it in clc++?


Cheers!,

- Alf

[Mr Flibble]

Because there are at least two parodies of The Hodgin right now. I
expect the number of parodies to increase until The Hodgin gives up.

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 4:06:53 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> I expect the number of parodies to increase until [Rick] gives up.

You underestimate the patience and desire of a Christian in reaching
the lost.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Ian Collins]

I have a GPS.

--
Ian.

[James R. Kuyper]

On 11/21/2017 04:06 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
...

> Because there are at least two parodies of The Hodgin right now. I
> expect the number of parodies to increase until The Hodgin gives up.

I'd be happy if you're right, but personally, I expect the parodists to
give up first - Hodgin is nothing if not persistent in his rudeness.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 4:32:25 PM UTC-5, James R. Kuyper wrote:
> I'd be happy if you're right, but personally, I expect the parodists to

> give up first - Hodgin is nothing if not persistent in his <strike>
> rudeness</strike><insert>love for people, to see them thriving in
> eternity in the full glory God intended for them in His creation,
> before sin came in and destroyed everything</insert>.

Fixed it for you. :-)

Christians love people for real. And we know the cause of sin and
all that sin entices people to do. Our goals are that the people
will come to know the truth and be called out from the world, changed
by God from within, and enter into the Kingdom of God, then teaching
others to do so as well.

What Jesus did on the cross is sufficient to save everybody ... and
all people are our goal ... because His love for them is real, and
His love for them also lives inside of us, so that we have a real
love for them.

The thing people are parodying is love, and salvation, and eternal
life, and us being restored to our full nature, the one sin's robbed
us from, the one we now possess which is guiding people literally
into unending eternal torment in flames.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[David Brown]

There is nothing that can be done about Rick's "stalker". Perhaps if
Rick doesn't keep rising to the bait and multiplying the crap with "that
was not the real me" posts, he would get bored and go away.

But I'd like to think that there will not be too many other people
posting parodies. I am strongly against impersonation and faking names
and sender addresses - that is not parody, it is dishonesty and forgery.
It is being dishonest to /us/, the readers of groups like this - it is
primarily /us/ that suffer the annoyance, not the target of such "jokes".

If you want to make a parody post, then it should be funny, it should be
done rarely, and it should be subtly clear that it was posted by someone
else. If it is not entertaining (and none of the pathetic attempts so
far here have been entertaining), then it is pointless.

If you think people posting lots of rubbish in Rick's name is going to
make him stop his religious nonsense, then you are very much mistaken.

[james...@verizon.net]

On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 4:47:45 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 4:32:25 PM UTC-5, James R. Kuyper wrote:
> > I'd be happy if you're right, but personally, I expect the parodists to
> > give up first - Hodgin is nothing if not persistent in his <strike>
> > rudeness</strike><insert>love for people, to see them thriving in
> > eternity in the full glory God intended for them in His creation,
> > before sin came in and destroyed everything</insert>.
>
> Fixed it for you. :-)

You've changed it to reflect your misconceptions about what you're doing. I can do nothing to correct your misconceptions. But I can object, quite strenuously, to you "correcting" messages attributed to me so that they reflect that misconception (even though your "corrections" are clearly marked as such).

How would you feel about the possibility that someone might get you posthumously baptized as a Mormon? It's a purely symbolic ceremony, with no real-world consequences, and nobody is fooled by it except the Mormon faithful - but it was still quite rude when it was applied to people who were, by choice, not Mormon (for instance, Jewish Holocaust victims). That's how I feel about your modifications to my message. State your misconception as your own work, not as a "correction" to mine.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

How would you have me answer, James? We are of different thinkings,
different mindsets.

I do my best to point out three simple things:

(1) All people have sin, including me, and you.
(2) God will judge all sin, and cast sinners into Hell.
(3) Jesus came to forgive our sin and save us from that end.

All of the other diluting and dividing minutia aside, those are the
key points. Sin is our enemy, and Jesus is the cure.

If you can get to that point in your understanding, then Jesus will
enter in to your life and take care of the rest.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Alf P. Steinbach]

On 11/21/2017 10:06 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>
> ... there are at least two parodies of The Hodgin right now.  I

> expect the number of parodies to increase until The Hodgin gives up.

It's good that clc++ now has a single common external enemy to unite
against. :)

But I don't like the proliferation of threads and identities to killfile. :(


Cheers!,

- Alf

PS: In the old days we used to check IP addresses to find out who's who.

[Richard]

[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]

"Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.stein...@gmail.com> spake the secret code
<ov4h2c$3ra$1...@dont-email.me> thusly:

>But I don't like the proliferation of threads and identities to killfile. :(

Can't we just get the moderated group back online? Then this whole
problem will be solved.

The last time we discussed this there was some mention of facilities
needed in order to bring back moderation. I sent an email inquiring
what was necessary and never heard back. Moderation is way overdue
IMO. These silly people cannot (or deliberately will not) exercise
any self control. If we get the moderated group back online, most
people will unsub from this troll haven and pay attention to the
moderated group instead.
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[Chris Vine]

On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 20:27:14 +0000 (UTC)
legaliz...@mail.xmission.com (Richard) wrote:
> [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
>
> "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.stein...@gmail.com> spake the
> secret code <ov4h2c$3ra$1...@dont-email.me> thusly:
>
> >But I don't like the proliferation of threads and identities to
> >killfile. :(
>
> Can't we just get the moderated group back online? Then this whole
> problem will be solved.
>
> The last time we discussed this there was some mention of facilities
> needed in order to bring back moderation. I sent an email inquiring
> what was necessary and never heard back. Moderation is way overdue
> IMO. These silly people cannot (or deliberately will not) exercise
> any self control. If we get the moderated group back online, most
> people will unsub from this troll haven and pay attention to the
> moderated group instead.

On this particular point I strongly agree that a reintroduction of the
moderated group is welcome. Stack Overflow offers some relief, but I
don't particularly like their format.

Back in the day, comp.lang.c++.moderated was the only C++ newsgroup
that I read.

[fir]

just follow strictly the antiidiot policy and rick troll will drop dead

1) never answer this idiot troll spamer (never, even if he talks on topic)
2) dont read it as you will allow his stupidity to disturb you
3) inform the newcomers about this moron shortly

[Richard Damon]

On 11/22/17 3:35 AM, David Brown wrote:
> There is nothing that can be done about Rick's "stalker". Perhaps if
> Rick doesn't keep rising to the bait and multiplying the crap with "that
> was not the real me" posts, he would get bored and go away.
>

Actually, impersonation of another is generally a violation of the
AUP/TOS for most servers. While Giganews does not explicitly forbid it
by name, it likely falls outside their acceptable use policy. If Rick
maeks a report to ab...@giganews.com, it is quite possible that the
attacker may lose their posting privileges.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I have already done so.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

How very Christian of you. Twit. I feel like I should report YOU for
abuse (spamming this newsgroup with off topic religious nonsense that is
effectively trolling) to Google Groups but I really can't be arsed
because I have a life.

And BTW I have made my posts subtly obvious that they are satirical
parodies rather than identity theft by including a header "Organisation"
field of "Rick C. Hodgin Enterprises".

The parodies shall continue whilst your fucking spam continues.

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Friday, November 24, 2017 at 4:23:42 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> The parodies shall continue whilst your .. spam continues.

So will the reports to ab...@giganews.org. Keep posting as me until you
lose your account, Leigh. I'm perfectly fine with that outcome.

You owe the people around you better than profanity, insults, and
mocking impersonations. Maybe after you lose your account you'll have
some time then to ponder it each time you log in to your alternate
method of accessing Usenet.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

You are the one breaking Usenet etiquette by committing the cardinal
Usenet sin of OFF TOPIC SPAMMING. The satire is a reaction to your
ignorant lack of consideration for what this Usenet newsgroup is: a
TECHNICAL newsgroup (not a fucking CHURCH). Fuck off and preach
elsewhere where preaching is welcome: NOBODY IS INTERESTED IN IT OR
WANTS IT HERE.

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Friday, November 24, 2017 at 6:00:00 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 24/11/2017 21:32, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Friday, November 24, 2017 at 4:23:42 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> >> The parodies shall continue whilst your .. spam continues.
> >
> > So will the reports to ab...@giganews.org. Keep posting as me until you
> > lose your account, Leigh. I'm perfectly fine with that outcome.
> >
> > You owe the people around you better than profanity, insults, and
> > mocking impersonations. Maybe after you lose your account you'll have
> > some time then to ponder it each time you log in to your alternate
> > method of accessing Usenet.
>

> You are the one breaking Usenet etiquette ...

I am not impersonating people. And I am acting on authority of God
who commands us to go forth and teach all nations (Matthew 28:18-20).

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+28%3A18-20&version=KJV

You reject God, so you reject His authority, and therefore see my
actions as "spam," but if the owner of the company told you to do
something your manager told you not to, who would you listen to?
One has higher authority.

You'll find out soon enough the authority of Jesus over even you who
deny Him. I just pray it's sooner rather than later. It will be a
happy ending for you if it is. Unhappy otherwise.

-----

Are you a sinner, Leigh? Do you have sin?
You need a savior to escape judgment.

That's the whole teaching you reject right there. That's the whole
reason Jesus came to the Earth: to save your eternal soul.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Melzzzzz]

On 2017-11-24, Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, November 24, 2017 at 6:00:00 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 24/11/2017 21:32, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> > On Friday, November 24, 2017 at 4:23:42 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> >> The parodies shall continue whilst your .. spam continues.
>> >
>> > So will the reports to ab...@giganews.org. Keep posting as me until you
>> > lose your account, Leigh. I'm perfectly fine with that outcome.
>> >
>> > You owe the people around you better than profanity, insults, and
>> > mocking impersonations. Maybe after you lose your account you'll have
>> > some time then to ponder it each time you log in to your alternate
>> > method of accessing Usenet.
>>
>> You are the one breaking Usenet etiquette ...
>
> I am not impersonating people. And I am acting on authority of God
> who commands us to go forth and teach all nations (Matthew 28:18-20).

You twist what was said. That mean non Christian nations. And you are
not apostle.

--
press any key to continue or any other to quit...

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 24/11/2017 23:13, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> I am not impersonating people. And I am acting on authority of God
> who commands us to go forth and teach all nations (Matthew 28:18-20).
>
> https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+28%3A18-20&version=KJV
>
> You reject God, so you reject His authority, and therefore see my
> actions as "spam," but if the owner of the company told you to do
> something your manager told you not to, who would you listen to?
> One has higher authority.
>
> You'll find out soon enough the authority of Jesus over even you who
> deny Him. I just pray it's sooner rather than later. It will be a
> happy ending for you if it is. Unhappy otherwise.
>
> -----
>
> Are you a sinner, Leigh? Do you have sin?
> You need a savior to escape judgment.
>
> That's the whole teaching you reject right there. That's the whole
> reason Jesus came to the Earth: to save your eternal soul.
>

I didn't post that. Someone is impersonating me.

I get the message now: I accept that matters of faith are personal and
shouldn't be forced upon people through repetition of the same words
with minor variations. I am truly sorry for spamming this C++ newsgroup
with posts totally unrelated to C++ causing annoyance and making this
newsgroup a toxic place.

--

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Leigh, you are a most capable individual. You have created things that make
people's lives better, and easier. You've contributed positively to improving
people's lives.

But because you've been taught that the Bible is false at school, in media, as
part of an ongoing counter-teaching, and you accept that as fact, so that when
someone like me teaches you about something you don't know, aren't aware of,
you are able to easily dismiss it.

What Christians teach you is the truth, Leigh. It's the truth this world not
only denies you, but actively contradicts. Right now, you are unwilling to
entertain the possibility that you afer wrong, and that there is something more.

You maintain the barrier between you and truth by your assertions that you are
right. Until you are willing to seek to see if you are possibly wrong, the
truth will be behind the barrier you maintain, separating you from it.

I want you to have a future, Leigh, after you leave this world. I want you
to come to the fullness the Lord affords us here in this world, as by the rich
presence of His Holy Spirit. I want the best for you, Leigh. It's why I
lead you to Jesus. He will give you more than you could hope for.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

On 25/11/2017 00:22, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> But because you've been taught that the Bible is false at school, in media, as
> part of an ongoing counter-teaching, and you accept that as fact, so that when
> someone like me teaches you about something you don't know, aren't aware of,
> you are able to easily dismiss it.

You see that is the fundamental mistake you keep making: you think you
are teaching people things. You have taught me absolutely nothing I
don't know. I am familiar with your religion and it is no different to
any other religion: it is easily dismissed as NOT being the truth.

> What Christians teach you is the truth, Leigh.

What Christians teach me is absolutely nothing, zero, zilch. Now fuck
off.

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Friday, November 24, 2017 at 7:27:26 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 25/11/2017 00:22, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > What Christians teach you is the truth, Leigh.

> What Christians teach me is absolutely nothing, zero, zilch. Now [go
> away].

As you wish. My efforts to teach you specifically and individually
are ended. Good luck, Leigh.

--
Rick C. Hodgin