> “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”
>
> — John Adams

You have to put things in whole perspective:

John Adams wrote these quotes:

SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; JUDGE; DIPLOMAT; ONE OF TWO SIGNERS OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS; SECOND PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

"The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."

"Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company: I mean hell."

"The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity."

"Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only law book and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited. . . . What a Eutopia – what a Paradise would this region be!"

"I have examined all religions, and the result is that the Bible is the best book in the world."

It's a matter of history and record people living in our modern
culture would like to do away with, just like the Confederate Flag
and the true purpose of the Civil War (states rights vs. federal
rights). The southern states wanted to be more self-governing, less
centralized governing (as per the federal government), hence their
use of the word "Confederate" instead of "United."

So much is lost when people forget history.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Mr Flibble

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And Satan invented fossils, yes?

blt_8...@r26drnekazhnzd9yqual.com

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On Thu, 23 May 2019 17:21:18 +0100
Mr Flibble <flibbleREM...@i42.co.uk> wrote:
>On 23/05/2019 02:58, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 9:37:51 PM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
>>> “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the
>Christian religion.”
>>> — John Adams
>>
>> A superseding treaty (the Treaty of Peace and Amity) signed on
>> July 4, 1805, omitted that phrase.
>>
>> What Adams wrote was that the U.S. is not like England, which
>> forced a religion upon its citizens as a specific state-sponsored
>> religion. The U.S. was not founded to be Catholic, or Baptist,
>> or any other Christian religion.
>>
>> It was, however, founded upon Christian ideals, by Christians whose
>> ancestors left their parent nation to practice religion freely.
>>
>> That's what the link shows. Even people like Thomas Paine later
>> repented, saying a prayer in his later life wishing the Age of Reason
>> had never been written.
>>
>> Time aids in breaking down the rebellious wails of youth. God continues
>> to tug at you, and many find faith later in life.
>
>Nonsense.
>A) Your bible is false.
>B) Your god the existence of which is predicated on your bible being true
>is, given (A), also false.

You have to love the circular reasoning of religions types:

- The bible/koran/torah/some other book of spells is true because its the word
of god.
- God must exist because it says so in the bible.

Daniel

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On Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 10:05:13 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> The southern states wanted to be more self-governing

That, and to accommodate Jim Crow, bondage, lynching, second-class
citizenship for blacks and segregated restaurants and cemeteries, of course.

> So much is lost when people forget history.

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And Satan invented fossils, yes?

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 2:06:27 PM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
> You are aware that Christian Slaveholders Used the Bible to Justify
> Slavery? With passages such as
>
> "Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to
> the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart,
> as unto Christ"
> -- Apostle Paul’s Epistle to the Ephesians, VI, 5-7

The original Greek with English and Strong's number references:

https://biblehub.com/text/ephesians/6-5.htm

The Bible records many things done by evil men, but its address
is to those who are believers and how they are to be.

The whole purpose of God giving man the Christian Bible is to
obey Him. When a person does this, they have come to Him asking
forgives for THEIR sin, and then the new spirit nature guides
them from within to be unlike the world.

> Slavery was a common practice in ancient Israel, as in much of
> antiquity.
> The Biblical texts provide a legal framework for the treatment of
> slaves, for example, if a slave had been given a wife by his master,
> and were that slave to be freed, the wife and any children would
> remain the property of the master.

The type of slavery conveyed there was two-fold. First, people went
into slavery purposefully to pay off debts, a type of indentured
servitude where you received something up front and then worked for
an agreed upon period of time to pay it off.

Second, there were wicked men who owned people.

The Law of Moses contains passages for how to handle all kinds of
evil and wicked things. This is not because God condone them, but
rather because God knows the wicked people the Earth will do sinful
and wicked things, and therefore He guides His people on how to
deal with those things.

Remember, Jesus said in Matthew 19 that Moses allowed men to get a
divorce because men's hearts were hard, but from the beginning it
was not so.

God meets people where they are in their wickedness, prepared to
forgive them, prepared to guide them even when they are doing hor-
rible things that He does not allow in His Kingdom. It is His
Grace and Mercy poured out unto us, so that we can be saved, and
then after being saved move further and further to be more like
Christ.

> > So much is lost when people forget history.
> Indeed.

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On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 10:19:11 PM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
> On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 2:39:51 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >
> > You are so wicked, Daniel.
>

> “Judge not, that ye be not judged”
> — Matthew 7:1-3
>
> “And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?”
> — Matthew 7:3-5

That's only Matthew 7:3.

Do you know what those verses teach? They teach do not judge
if you are doing the things you're judging others for doing, or
if you are doing things you shouldn't be doing. If you keep read-
ing in Matthew 7, you'll find this verse:

5 Thou hypocrite, FIRST cast out the beam out of thine own
eye; AND THEN shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote
out of thy brother's eye.

The teaching is to take care to be serving God rightly first,
and then open your mouth to teach.

John also teaches:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+7:24&version=NIV;KJV

24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous
judgment.

The purpose in studying the Bible is to learn the truth. The
purpose in twisting verses to suit what you want it to is to
deceive others.

God calls us to go forth into this world and teach people the
truth, to undo the work of the devil and his false teaching re-
garding the things of God. There are enough deceivers out there,
Daniel. What God calls us to be is truth teachings, and to be
sincere, righteous, honest, non-deceiving, and to do so purpose-
fully for His glory and His Kingdom.

> “whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.”
> — Matthew 5:22

That's only part of Matthew 5:22.

https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/5-22.htm

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother
WITHOUT A CAUSE shall be in danger of the judgment: and who-
soever shall say to his brother, raca, shall be in danger of
the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in
danger of hell fire.

I do not call you a fool. The things you are teaching here are
wicked. You are using the Bible to justify the position or argu-
ment that I am in some way teaching something false. You are mis-
characterizing God, and the scripture, in so doing.

What does the Bible teach about those who twist scripture, result-
ing in other people being harmed by its manipulation (causing them
to stumble)?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+17%3A1-2&version=NIV;KJV

1 Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to
stumble are bound to come, but WOE TO ANYONE THROUGH WHOM
THEY COME.
2 It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with
a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of
these little ones to stumble.

Your teachings are causing those who would hear the teachings of
the Bible to stumble. The assessment I made of you and your
posts is accurate. Jesus said we would know them by their fruit:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew+7%3A16-20&version=NIV;KJV

==> 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes
of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a
corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a
corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down,
and cast into the fire.
==> 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Your fruit bears out under scrutiny, Daniel, hence my posting you
were wicked. You are misrepresenting God, and doing so to cast
the true teachings of God into something negative, setting good
for evil, and evil for good. Unless you repent, it will literally
be to your soul's destruction. And that's not a threat from me,
but a warning from God found throughout scripture.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Daniel

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On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 11:29:40 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> You ... cast the true teachings of God into something negative

Well, there are some things negative in the texts. Why was it necessary when
taking Jerico to kill every man, woman, baby, ox, sheep and donkey? For what
reason do we need to kill women who cannot prove that they were virgins on
their wedding night? Or give the death penalty to the virgin if she does not
cry out for help when raped? Or put to death gays and lesbians? Why is it
permitted for a man to sell his daughter as a slave, and why cannot she be
freed as male slaves were after seven years?

And herein is your problem, when you read the texts, you assume everything
in them is good, in some sense, and hence all of the things above permit
themselves of a positive spin. I think you should go back and reread many of the later texts and see them as a movement _away_ from the ancient law that
was expressed in the earlier ones. And you should also learn more. Thomas
Jefferson knew about the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of
Jupiter, and much else, but you don't seem to know _anything_ about the
wider context in which the great religions evolved.

Best regards,
Daniel

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Friday, May 24, 2019 at 10:10:27 AM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
> On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 11:29:40 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> > You ... cast the true teachings of God into something negative
>
> Well, there are some things negative in the texts. Why was it necessary when
> taking Jerico to kill every man, woman, baby, ox, sheep and donkey?

I already answered that in the previous post.

> For what
> reason do we need to kill women who cannot prove that they were virgins on
> their wedding night? Or give the death penalty to the virgin if she does not
> cry out for help when raped? Or put to death gays and lesbians? Why is it
> permitted for a man to sell his daughter as a slave, and why cannot she be
> freed as male slaves were after seven years?

It has to do with the spirit nature inhabiting our flesh, and
the evil spirits we let in by our sin. It's the same reason
God commanded stoning for various offenses.

We now know, on this side of Pentecost, about the spirit nature
and the flesh relationship. God has given man His Holy Spirit,
so we can be guided by Him spiritually.

Until we are born again and have our own spirit (John 3), we are
totally at the subjection of our flesh, which evil spirits use
to entice and keep us in sin. They influence our flesh, to make
us think things, feel things, believe things, that are not our
own thinkings, feelings, beliefs. They inhabit our invisible
components and our flesh tells us we feel a particular way, or
believe a particular thing, when in fact that feeling or belief
is being injected into us by those evil spirits. It causes us
to respond to it in this world, causing us to sin, and do harm,
and to go into all manner of depravity.

When those spirits were in Israel, God commanded that the flesh
be destroyed so those evil spirit would not take hold, because
just like cancer, once you get it in one place, it quickly will
spread to other places. It has to be cut out completely.

> And herein is your problem, when you read the texts, you assume everything
> in them is good, in some sense, and hence all of the things above permit
> themselves of a positive spin.

Not everything they convey is good, but everything they convey
can be used for good:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Timothy%203:16-17&version=NIV;KJV

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished
[equipped] unto all good works.

The examples of bad behavior teach us how not to be. The examples
of good behavior teach us how to be. And the culmination of it
all teaches us what we will encounter in this world, and what it
all means with regards to our responses.

> I think you should go back and reread many of the later texts and see
> them as a movement _away_ from the ancient law that
> was expressed in the earlier ones. And you should also learn more. Thomas
> Jefferson knew about the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of
> Jupiter, and much else, but you don't seem to know _anything_ about the
> wider context in which the great religions evolved.

I'm not speaking anything whatsoever about religion.

Christianity is not religion. It is a relationship with Jesus
Christ. Religion relates to those who are not able to be born
again, such as in Judaism. They have a religion. Christians
do not have a religion in the traditional sense. We have a true
and fruitful RELATIONSHIP with God Himself through our now spirit
nature. We still do religious things to keep our flesh in line,
but our RELATIONSHIP with God is what drives us, not our flesh,
and not our "religion."

This is part of the teaching to undo the unfruitful works of the
devil, who likes to ascribe everything into only that which our
flesh can know. But Jesus came to teach us there is more, and
for those who will ask forgiveness for their sin, they are born
again and have new spirit life, which manifests itself in a new
way, teaching us new things, new understandings, new perspectives,
and it is there, from within that new ability / faculty / add-on,
that we are able to know and follow and do and believe in the
things of God.

Ever see Transformers? The scene where the kid puts the spark
into Optimus, but it's not enough to get him up and moving. That
SR-71 Decepticon gives him his own internal heart thingy, and when
that happens Optimus now has all manner of new flying abilities he
didn't have before. The new nature given him on the inside made
him able to do things and know things (like how to fly) he didn't
and couldn't before.

When we come to Jesus and our sin is forgiven, we have new spirit
life. That new spirit life enables us to know things and believe
things and do things we couldn't before. It's not physical like
the add-on of jet engines and wings as with Optimus, but it's all
entirely invisible as it is spirit, not flesh.

Go to a local Bible-believing church and speak to born again
Christians there and ask them for their witness about the presence
of the Holy Spirit in their life after salvation, how everything
changed for them, how they are amazed at how they were internally
re-wired from the ground up.

You'll be amazed at their testimonies. It's not flesh. It's new.
It's different. It's spirit (John 3).

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Mr Flibble

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On 24/05/2019 03:32, Queequeg wrote:
> Mr Flibble <flibbleREM...@i42.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> And Satan invented fossils, yes?
>
> Leigh,
>
> Did you really have to quote all his BS just to add one line?

For the required effect of fully taking the piss, yes.

Mr Flibble

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Nonsense.
A) Your bible is false.
B) Your god the existence of which is predicated on your bible being true
is, given (A), also false.

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Friday, May 24, 2019 at 10:10:27 AM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:

> ...Why was it necessary when

> taking Jerico to kill every man, woman, baby, ox, sheep and donkey?

You have to understand the eternal perspective. Everybody dies.
It's just a question of when. But if God chooses to end the lives
of those He created prematurely, it's His right. But because of
who God is, He's not going to be cruel, mean, unfair. When He
makes a decision on something, it's for perfect reasons. It is
the full force of perfect thought brought to bear on the situation.

God sees things with different eyes than we do. He eyes eternity.
He eyes the long part of our existence, after this little short
part of our existence here is over. And His plans incorporate
both parts.

When He orders a people to be completely wiped out, it's for a
long-term goal. As I said in the prior post, killing a few now
could literally save billions and billions and billions later on.

How many people could've been saved if Hitler and Stalin could've
been killed before they came to power? Two lives to save how many
10s of millions?

It may not have been that way if Hitler and Stalin would've been
killed before coming to power, however, because maybe Smith and
Jones would've come to power and been worse than Hitler and Stalin.
But with God, He does know what's going on. He does know the truth
about what would happen, and when He makes decisions, they are
right.

It's time to stop doubting God, and to start recognizing that He's
right and learning from Him. Start asking questions like you did
on this message I'm replying to where you say, "Why did God...?"

Those kinds of questions, from a truth-seeking heart, are what God
is after. He's not going to hide behind any of His actions. We
don't need to make excuses for God for what He's done. We don't
need to apologize for things written in scripture. But all of it
gives us occasion to come together and ponder and examine and co-
ordinate with other things we know of God in scripture, and assem-
ble it all together into a proper and coherent picture of who God
is and why He's done what He's done.

God will never fail you. When you press in and pursue Him to the
uttermost, He will only amaze and astound you with His wisdom, His
vision, the power and authority to move on such scales that makes
us weep with joy when we begin to understand it all, just as we do
when we look into the vastness of life on this planet, and the
vastness of space out there in the universe.

God has done amazing and mighty things, and it is ours to press in
and pursue and discover to learn more about the God we only know
in part today, but in eternity will know face-to-face.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

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We do not live in that time any longer. The type of relationship
God had with His people, the force with which things believed would
impact the flesh is not known to us presently.

We live in this age. Our understanding is of things present, and
we can project back into the past, but we are not there, have not
lived there, were not raised with the spirit that exists in that
land, etc. It's foreign to us.

What God calls us to is the present. He has revealed more to us
about His nature, about the spirit nature, about eternity. We now
have Paul's writings, Peter's writings, John's writings, etc. We
know things now they didn't know then.

God calls you into faith with His Son now, rather than (from the
Old Testament perspective) some future Messiah that will one day
arrive. We can know Jesus, who seeks to call us friends, and is
closer to us than a brother.

If you stop concluding God is wrong, and start realizing God is
right, and then stop projecting your conclusions about God's actions
as being wrong upon Him, and start asking legitimate child-like
questions seeking answers as to "Why would you do that, God?" and
to be inquisitive like Mary asking, "How can this be since I know
not a man?" contrasted to John the Baptist's father Zacharias who
asked a similar question ("Whereby shall I know this? for I am an
old man, and my wife well stricken in years."), but in disbelief,
and was rendered mute for the duration of her pregnancy

It's in the way you approach God, for He sees through to the heart.

If you will seek Him with earnest seeking, He will know, and it is
to that soul He will open up and reveal Himself. But if you seek
Him not in earnest, or with ulterior motives to learn about script-
ure convinced you are right ready to expose God's "heinous acts" to
justify your rebellion against Him, God will know that too, and He
will not reveal Himself to you, and you will remain trapped in the
web of lies you create around yourself, guided by Satan, so that
you are fully consumed in your own hate and rebellion on Judgment
Day.

God gives every man, woman, and child on this Earth, the ability to
come to know Him today. He says in Matthew He will never turn any-
one away, and everyone the Father brings to Him will be saved.

People will not walk in that light because they like darkness (sin)
more than light. But for those who will walk in it, they will be
drawn to Christ where they can ask forgiveness and be saved.

It is an incredibly beautiful gift that God saves any of us. It is
something to be regarded most preciously, and when we step forward
to teach others that THEY TOO can be saved ... it is to be taught
from that precious gift perspective.

God will forgive people for their sin. Like it never even happened.
But it cost God significantly to do this, and we must not forgive
who He is, and what He's done and gone through to set us free. It
is the greatest love story imaginable. It is God revealed through
His Son, Jesus Christ, that while we were YET sinners... He died to
save us.

The perspective needs to flip around, to inquire of God with a sin-
cere inquisitive heart. That is fertile ground for receiving the
free gift of salvation.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Mr Flibble

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On Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 3:05:40 PM UTC-7, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Have you ever wondered how our societies have gotten so far away
> from basic moral goodness, from men and women seeking to do what's
> right rather than what's pleasurable or self-gratifying/self-serv-
> ing?
>
> The founding fathers of America, those men who were intimately in-
> volved with the establishment of the United States and its U.S.
> Contitution and Bill of Rights, provide insight into our common,
> now world-wide fate.
>
> They cite a departure from the values which they indicate are an
> absolute necessity to maintain civil society. And it's true.
>
> When you take God out of the various areas of your life, another
> inhabitant is all too willing to take up and fill that void, and
> that inhabitant is literally the enemy of God, and the enemy of
> you.
>
> https://wallbuilders.com/founding-fathers-jesus-christianity-bible/
>
> --

So you've alienated so many people in comp.lang.c that you decided to move this circus down the hall to comp.lang.c++? Ya know, I hate to say this, but in a few months you would have pretty much alienated everyone in this group like what you did for comp.lang.c. Then where are you going to post your B.S to?

Mr Flibble

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The obtuse fucktarded cockwomble has been spamming this group for a while
now. His is an untreatable case I'm afraid.

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Sunday, 26 May 2019 23:45:54 UTC+3, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 26/05/2019 21:31, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

mercy snip

> > https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/when-did-dinosaurs-live/solid-answers-soft-tissue/

mercy snip

> answersingenesis.org is a random Christian website that is both biased and
> not a credible source of scientific knowledge. Please cite one, JUST ONE,
> scientific journal that confirms what you are saying is true .. it surely
> cannot be that hard to find because if what you are saying is true it
> would be very big news which we would all be talking about .. oh wait ..
> we're not, I wonder why...

The issue is that Rick does not understand how science works. He
does not understand that scientist who shows with actual scientific
research that previous works are being wrong and/or the conclusions
drawn in those are ungrounded (since there are more plausible
alternatives) will be world-famous.

Instead he thinks that scientists are some sort of global conspiracy
(of millions of people). Regardless of faith of scientists they somehow
did work and study and research hard for decades for to participate
in that nonsense scheme. Therefore the few "real scientists" left
have to publish their "works" in his political journals.

And it does not matter to him that his "real scientists" are typically
even not from the field of study, done none of the research they
quote-mine and often just medical doctors. And it does not matter
that even 11-years-old sees how nonsensical the "works" are.

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 5:00:08 AM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> The issue is that Rick does not understand how science works. He
> does not understand that scientist who shows with actual scientific
> research that previous works are being wrong and/or the conclusions
> drawn in those are ungrounded (since there are more plausible
> alternatives) will be world-famous.

These publications exist, but they are not accepted by mainstream
science because they tie back to God, and the enemy of God and you,
he does not want any interference with his storyline. He has real
power here in this world, and he advances those willing to follow
him, and seeks continually with great effort to silence or discredit
those who seek to stand up for facts and truth which point to God.

You are serving that same enemy of God unaware, Öö Tiib. You have
let sin into your life giving his agents (evil spirits) entry into
your mind, thoughts, feelings, emotions... and he has made you into
a servant vessel for his kingdom of lies, which is why you too rail
against God.

You do not have much influence, so you are not a high target, but
every asset is used by that enemy. But those "high scientists" in
the powerful positions, they are targeted by powerful evil spirits,
like the equivalent of captains or admirals in a navy. Well-trained,
disciplined, organized evil spirits at work through sinful men and
women, pushing the anti-God agenda.

This is the battle truth faces here in this world.

All who seek the truth will understand. God will reveal it to them
on the inside. The rest will not understand, and will think the
whole idea is ludicrous, being driven in thoughts by those anti-
Christ spirits.

I teach you the truth, Öö Tiib, and point you to it (to Jesus). Go
and read and study and see for yourself if my guidance and teaching
is true.

Sin is the enemy. It gives evil spirits a voice in this world,
which is why there's so much of it everywhere. It's their facilitation
into worldly interaction.

We overcome through Christ, and then on a purposeful walk of holiness.
He keeps them away from our flesh so we are servant vessels unto Him
and His eternal Kingdom.

Jesus takes our sin away, setting us free.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Daniel

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On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 7:06:26 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> You do not have much influence, so you are not a high target

You're lucky, then, as you would not be a target at all. Unless ... have
you thought about the possibility that the enemy might be using you to
discredit christianity? You would agree that most people (including most
christians) would think that you were nuts?

Be well,
Daniel

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Öö Tiib

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On Monday, 27 May 2019 14:06:26 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 5:00:08 AM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> > The issue is that Rick does not understand how science works. He
> > does not understand that scientist who shows with actual scientific
> > research that previous works are being wrong and/or the conclusions
> > drawn in those are ungrounded (since there are more plausible
> > alternatives) will be world-famous.
>
> These publications exist, but they are not accepted by mainstream
> science because they tie back to God, and the enemy of God and you,
> he does not want any interference with his storyline. He has real
> power here in this world, and he advances those willing to follow
> him, and seeks continually with great effort to silence or discredit
> those who seek to stand up for facts and truth which point to God.

Oooh, millions of scientists are "servants of Satan" save only few
dental doctors who do not do their own research but instead quote-
mine the scientific articles from these "servants of Satan" to form
some sort of controversial crap for posting on your political sites.

> You are serving that same enemy of God unaware, Öö Tiib. You have
> let sin into your life giving his agents (evil spirits) entry into
> your mind, thoughts, feelings, emotions... and he has made you into
> a servant vessel for his kingdom of lies, which is why you too rail
> against God.

No. If there is anything evil in this world then your "true scientists" are
serving it. They are making your faith to look backwards, stupid and
laughable geocentrism-flatearthery. I have nothing against your gods
(nor anyone elses gods ...) other that I do not believe into their very
existence. That is something they (the gods) can easily fix if my beliefs
and/or services are of any importance.

> You do not have much influence, so you are not a high target, but
> every asset is used by that enemy. But those "high scientists" in
> the powerful positions, they are targeted by powerful evil spirits,
> like the equivalent of captains or admirals in a navy. Well-trained,
> disciplined, organized evil spirits at work through sinful men and
> women, pushing the anti-God agenda.

Not "high scientists". Virtually all millions of scientists of every faith
(besides your few backwards dental doctors) have studied the works
of science. Science is good thing because everything just works like
it predicts regardless of what faith the observers have. No need for
copy-paste passages of books, voodoo rituals, magical incantations,
sacrificed chickens or smokes and mirrors. It just works.

> This is the battle truth faces here in this world.
>
> All who seek the truth will understand. God will reveal it to them
> on the inside. The rest will not understand, and will think the
> whole idea is ludicrous, being driven in thoughts by those anti-
> Christ spirits.
>
> I teach you the truth, Öö Tiib, and point you to it (to Jesus). Go
> and read and study and see for yourself if my guidance and teaching
> is true.

I have clear evidence that every of Christian prophets predicting
anything remarkable or promising anything remarkable publicly
during past half century have been wrong and delivered nothing
good. By their fruit as Jesus wisely suggested. They are wolves in
sheep's clothing and you are one of them.

I do not trust any guidance of such men (nor books promoted by
them) about whatever matters. Additionally I consider books about
supernatural matters as superstition, fiction and fairy tales. If there
is anything supernatural then it can contact me directly. No
dumbasses are needed for medium.

> Sin is the enemy. It gives evil spirits a voice in this world,
> which is why there's so much of it everywhere. It's their facilitation
> into worldly interaction.
>
> We overcome through Christ, and then on a purposeful walk of holiness.
> He keeps them away from our flesh so we are servant vessels unto Him
> and His eternal Kingdom.
>
> Jesus takes our sin away, setting us free.

I have never been a member of the group (Christians) and so I can't
transgress against laws of it (to sin). So while I am fallible like everybody
and have done mistakes during my life I can't have any sins. I know
nothing of any spirits, neither evil nor good.

My point was Öö Tiib is not a Richard Dawkins, or Carl Sagan, or
some highly influential scientist. Those are the individuals the
most powerful evil spirit seek out to dominate their life, to prop
them up in research grants and funding so they can disseminate the
most lies to the widest audience for the least investment.

Those who are not at those levels are deceived by those lies above,
and by direct means through lesser evil spirits.

We learn from scripture that God created various types of angels
with varying types of abilities. Lucifer was at the top along with
Michael. Michael kept his place, but Lucifer fell. Other high-
level angels who fell and became demons are those we know on Earth
as the Greek gods, the gods of the Buddhist faith, etc. These are
demons who have taken on the persona of gods, and from a Biblical
perspective they may even be gods as the Bible says there are gods
(plural). However, they are not God Almighty, not THE God who did
create all. They are simply the highest created beings apart from
man, and they have real power and knowledge and their basic bodily
makeup is such that they can do things we can't in our bodies, and
they can know things we can't in our fallen-in-sin state. To us they
would appear to be gods, and they demanded worship as such, which
God had forbid, hence their all now being damned to Hell, for Hell
was not created for man, but for the devil and his angels (Isaiah 5:14-16).
But because of man's arrogance and pomp, Hell has enlarged herself.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+5%3A14-16&version=NIV;KJV

14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth
without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and
their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.
15 And the mean man shall be brought down, and the mighty man
shall be humbled, and the eyes of the lofty shall be humbled:
16 But the Lord of hosts shall be exalted in judgment, and God
that is holy shall be sanctified in righteousness.

> Unless ... have
> you thought about the possibility that the enemy might be using you to
> discredit christianity? You would agree that most people (including most
> christians) would think that you were nuts?

Most Christians do not follow the teachings of God. Even dating
back to periods of time in the past it has been so. There are new
movements arising continually to get people back to the true teach-
ings of God (Father + Son + Holy Spirit) without man's influences.
The Puritans were attempting this when they left for the new world.
They wanted a place to worship the God of the Bible, and not the
god of the state.

I know of no one personally who believes as I do, who follows after
Christ as I do believing in faith the things I believe in, save a
small handful of older people (mostly grandmothers), and there are
some younger people who believe likewise.

We are all ridiculed, though many of the older grandmothers are so
loving and caring and non-evangelizing that people will accept them
as they are because they are no direct threat to their current think-
ing. People just think they are kind, devout, religious people, and
they more or less tend to keep to themselves, except in church where
they say, "Yes!" and "Amen!" and "That's right!" and "Uh huh!" during
the sermon.

Where people stand up and attack Christians are when they stand up
and start teaching people about sin, about judgment, about Hell, and
that they NEED Jesus Christ to forgive their sin otherwise they will
be going there. Or when we start pointing to the things we find in
this world and say God has taught us the truth about that, and we can
see in scripture it says xyz, while the world says abc. We can point
to things which make logical sense, which demonstrate God is not the
monster the enemy of God would claim Him to be.

When we start teaching people the truth, and the knowledge of that
truth gets out there into people's ears, into their minds, that's
when the evil spirits begin to lose their grip because their lies
only exist so long as they do not investigate the things those lies
are purporting, because they are lies, and they totally fall apart
under scrutiny.

God WANTS US to press in and seek the truth with a FULL THROTTLE ef-
fort. He wants us investigating EVERYTHING He has said. He even
invites us in scripture: "Come, let us reason together..."

God is not what people think He is. And Jesus is our true Savior
and need here in this life. Without Him, all of mankind would've
been lost. With Him, everyone who comes to Him will be saved. He
will turn no one away no matter how bad their sin is, or to whom,
or for how long. He will wash it all away by His blood and restore
us to His eternal Kingdom.

It is His great joy and happiness to do this for us, to undo the
work of the enemy, to restore us to the plans He had for us before
sin entered in and destroyed everything.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

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On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 10:21:04 AM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> On Monday, 27 May 2019 14:06:26 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 5:00:08 AM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> > > The issue is that Rick does not understand how science works. He
> > > does not understand that scientist who shows with actual scientific
> > > research that previous works are being wrong and/or the conclusions
> > > drawn in those are ungrounded (since there are more plausible
> > > alternatives) will be world-famous.
> >
> > These publications exist, but they are not accepted by mainstream
> > science because they tie back to God, and the enemy of God and you,
> > he does not want any interference with his storyline. He has real
> > power here in this world, and he advances those willing to follow
> > him, and seeks continually with great effort to silence or discredit
> > those who seek to stand up for facts and truth which point to God.
>

> Oooh, millions of scientists are "servants of Satan" ...

People in general become servants of Satan through sin. When they
acquiesce to the alternate thing the enemy of God is whispering into
their thoughts, into their mind, and they agree to it, they then open
the door to let that evil spirit in. Once there, it begins altering
everything about that person's life.

> > You are serving that same enemy of God unaware, Öö Tiib. You have
> > let sin into your life giving his agents (evil spirits) entry into
> > your mind, thoughts, feelings, emotions... and he has made you into
> > a servant vessel for his kingdom of lies, which is why you too rail
> > against God.
>
> No. If there is anything evil in this world then your "true scientists" are
> serving it. They are making your faith to look backwards, stupid and
> laughable geocentrism-flatearthery.

This is what I'm trying to explain to you. Because of sin, and because
of the evil spirit influence in the minds of people who have embraced
sin by choice, their thinking is twisted. It's twisted around so far
that the true things of God are held to be lies, and the lies of the
enemy are held to be the truth.

Jesus rescues us from that twisted state and restores us to the truth.

Go to local Bible-believing churches in your area and ask to speak to
born again people who used to believe as you do, and ask them how it
was Jesus turned their life around and completely re-wired their think-
ing. You'll be amazed and astounded at the stories. And these are
not just people who, through a sheer power of self-will and determina-
tion, turned their own lives around. These are people who had their
lives turned around for them, and they stood their in awe as miracle
after miracle after miracle transpired in their life to bring them up
out of the depravity they were in.

They may not have even been depraved in the traditional state, meaning
they weren't IV drug users, prostitutes, homosexual, but rather they
could've only believed in evolution, or believed multiple gods and the
various faiths all can lead to Heaven, etc. But Jesus is truth, and
His Holy Spirit is truth-teaching-continually, and just like the enemy's
voice in the ears constantly of the sinner, God's own truth-teaching
voice is in the ears constantly of the saved person. That doesn't mean
the saved person will never make mistakes. They make some doozies.
But what it does mean is God comes to rescue them when they do, to pick
them up and lead them back to where they should be once again. This is
part of the refining fire, of sanctification, a kind of "let the five-
year old touch the hot handle on the pan on the stove one time and then
he himself will know not to do it again" rather than constantly warning
that five-year old, "No, Jimmy! You'll burn yourself." Sometimes it
takes us getting hurt before we stop doing the bad thing, and God knows
this and He sometimes lets us get a good bruise or even a scar, so that
we self-govern and self-discipline our own lives moving forward.

> I have nothing against your gods
> (nor anyone elses gods ...) other that I do not believe into their very
> existence. That is something they (the gods) can easily fix if my beliefs
> and/or services are of any importance.

Your statement here is literally exactly what my position was before
God saved me. I have a video made in 2008 which states this same
thing as well.

God does literally change people completely. He changes them from
the inside out such that they are no longer the people they were
before. They are born again of the spirit (John 3). They are new
lives, for the old life has passed away. Literally.

That's why I ask YOU to go to local Bible-believing churches and
speak to people who are not me. Go to each of them and ask to speak
to "born again believers" (be sure to ask for born again believers
because there are a lot of religious people in the church who are
not born again, and they can have the illusion of salvation to an
outsider, but they are not saved ... and Jesus warned about these
people Matthew 7:21-23). But the born again believers will have an
inner peace about them, be often in tears, have a caring and compas-
sion about their fellow man that is like mine, where I spend this
time actively teaching the truth about God so that some precious
few might hear and be saved. They will be new creations who are
not like other people on the Earth because they have a new spirit,
and are hearing God's Holy Spirit by that same spirit input.

> > You do not have much influence, so you are not a high target, but
> > every asset is used by that enemy. But those "high scientists" in
> > the powerful positions, they are targeted by powerful evil spirits,
> > like the equivalent of captains or admirals in a navy. Well-trained,
> > disciplined, organized evil spirits at work through sinful men and
> > women, pushing the anti-God agenda.
>
> Not "high scientists". Virtually all millions of scientists of every faith
> (besides your few backwards dental doctors) have studied the works
> of science. Science is good thing because everything just works like
> it predicts regardless of what faith the observers have. No need for
> copy-paste passages of books, voodoo rituals, magical incantations,
> sacrificed chickens or smokes and mirrors. It just works.

The enemy gives them a framework that appears plausible. But it's
a facade, an illusion, a really clever and crafty lie that has the
whole world literally deceived (Revelation 12:9 "The great dragon was
hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, WHO LEADS
THE WHOLE WORLD ASTRAY. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels
with him").

The truth exists in God's teaching. Press in on any aspect of God's
teachings and you'll find it holds up under scrutiny, and the enemy's
lies do not.

> > This is the battle truth faces here in this world.
> >
> > All who seek the truth will understand. God will reveal it to them
> > on the inside. The rest will not understand, and will think the
> > whole idea is ludicrous, being driven in thoughts by those anti-
> > Christ spirits.
> >
> > I teach you the truth, Öö Tiib, and point you to it (to Jesus). Go
> > and read and study and see for yourself if my guidance and teaching
> > is true.
>
> I have clear evidence that every of Christian prophets predicting
> anything remarkable or promising anything remarkable publicly
> during past half century have been wrong and delivered nothing
> good. By their fruit as Jesus wisely suggested. They are wolves in
> sheep's clothing and you are one of them.

I have also posted that on September 23, 2015 it would be the rapture.

Christians are instructed to look for Biblical signs. We are called
to be "Watchmen" searching the scriptures, looking at the worldly
signs, being ready 24/7/365 with our metaphorical bags packed and our
lamps trimmed and filled with oil, so if the call ring out at midnight
we are ready to go.

Many people have believed and reported on the event which never did
transpire. That doesn't mean they are false prophets. It means they
misread the signs, and espoused incorrect things. But if you still
find them teaching you the way of salvation through Christ, that each
person needs to repent of their sin to be saved, they are true Watch-
men and they are serving Christ. But there have been many, and will
continue to be many, who are not saved, who only have religion, who
are still only in the flesh (not born again, no spirit nature), who
are literally being led by Satan and his demon imps. Those are people
to watch out for, because they are just as dangerous to your soul as
are unsaved people.

It's good you recognize the difference between true and false teach-
ings, but there is nuance and subtlety beyond black-and-white on these
issues. You have to examine the whole of people's lives. People can
and will make mistakes in single instances, in many of those instances
over their lives once they come to faith. But you must examine the
whole fruit of their life, and see even how they respond to their mis-
takes.

> I do not trust any guidance of such men (nor books promoted by
> them) about whatever matters. Additionally I consider books about
> supernatural matters as superstition, fiction and fairy tales. If there
> is anything supernatural then it can contact me directly. No
> dumbasses are needed for medium.

God has given us the Bible so we can know Him. You do not and should
not trust me, but I ask you to go to the Bible and INVESTIGATE FOR
YOURSELF, to read and study and see if GOD HIMSELF doesn't make Himself
known to you through that study.

If you pursue Him with a truth-seeking, fact-finding, honestly-want-
to-know-the-truth-about-it attitude, you will find it.

> > Sin is the enemy. It gives evil spirits a voice in this world,
> > which is why there's so much of it everywhere. It's their facilitation
> > into worldly interaction.
> >
> > We overcome through Christ, and then on a purposeful walk of holiness.
> > He keeps them away from our flesh so we are servant vessels unto Him
> > and His eternal Kingdom.
> >
> > Jesus takes our sin away, setting us free.
>
> I have never been a member of the group (Christians) and so I can't
> transgress against laws of it (to sin). So while I am fallible like everybody
> and have done mistakes during my life I can't have any sins. I know
> nothing of any spirits, neither evil nor good.

God gave us the Bible so we can know what sin is. We compare our
actions to His teachings and see where we fall short.

That is, in fact, the WHOLE PURPOSE of the Law of Moses and of the
teachings about sin in the Bible. It is to teach us where we fail,
and that we all fail, and that we need God to be saved.

Jesus came to this Earth gladly, happily, with fullest joy, to save
all who would be saved, for all who are saved enter eternity and will
be with Him (with God) in eternity in the glories and splendor of
God's own domain -- Heaven.

If you seek the truth you will find it.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

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On Tuesday, 28 May 2019 15:38:42 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> You think that incredibly complex coordinated machine evolved from a
> Big Bang and primordial sea goo? That's the fiction, whereas God
> creating all life is the truth. One tiny alteration in the DNA, and
> those protein structures are no longer created properly ... and the
> machine becomes non-viable. Literal single-bit errors cause either
> full-on death of the entire organism (as every cell has a copy of
> that original fertilized egg complete DNA map, which by the way, is
> proof that physical life begins at conception), while other single-
> bit errors introduce a host of genetic diseases that severely impact
> life. It all depends on where the errors occur in the DNA sequence.

Why there are millions of sperm in one ejaculation? It is for the hard
way to egg and then for the egg itself to sort out the "unworthy"
ones. Then the fertilised egg has two sets of chromosomes where
defective are disabled and so both sets have to have same defect
at same place for genetic error to manifest. Still that happens,
(especially on case of insest). Then we will usually get miscarriage.
Pregnancy is often canceled during first weeks of it. Sometimes it
takes longer to detect defects. And finally sometimes there will born
freaks. We all see it. No God nor Satan did intervene, just random
recombination result was such that passed all the basic tests
OTW to birth but still had defects in it.

> You should educate yourself about these things, Leigh. The further
> you press in the more you'll realize you've been absolutely lied to
> outright your entire life throughout all of your science education.

Science does not lie. Those are the wolves in sheep's clothing like
you who lie. Also, you are unable to learn. You reiterate same stupid
logic errors from post to post.

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 1:42:52 PM UTC-4, fir wrote:
> [snip]

fir, God loves you too. He will forgive your sin and welcome you
into His eternal Kingdom of Heaven, with all the glories and power
and majesty and amazement that it entails.

You are loved, fir. And God wants to give you a permanent home
there, one where you will be safe and secure and never again need
to worry about anything, for He reins with authority.

You are loved. Greatly.

--
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On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 9:16:29 AM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> Why there are millions of sperm in one ejaculation? It is for the hard
> way to egg and then for the egg itself to sort out the "unworthy"
> ones.

That's what science teaches us. How do you know that's the true
reason? How do you know it's not for other reasons? How do you
know God hasn't sent angels to make sure the one God wants to go
forward goes forward and is the one which reaches the egg? That
those angels can see into the DNA supernaturally, and choose the
one that matches what God said it should be in that case?

See?

We only think in natural terms. We don't allow for God in our
lives or in our thinking. How do we know that the very creation
of a new life in this world isn't directly guided by God, so that
the person is born with the qualities God hand-picked, and hand-
placed into that part of the world knowing what would come after?

> Then the fertilised egg has two sets of chromosomes where
> defective are disabled and so both sets have to have same defect
> at same place for genetic error to manifest. Still that happens,

That's why in the Bible during Adam and Eve's time, and even up to
the time of Moses, brothers and sisters could marry and have kids.
Genetic defects hadn't been introduced in high enough numbers to
cause issues yet. But when God brought His people out of Egypt,
and gave the Law to Moses, He then commanded that no close relatives
could marry any longer, and for that exact reason.

The Bible and God once again proven correct.

> (especially on case of insest). Then we will usually get miscarriage.
> Pregnancy is often canceled during first weeks of it. Sometimes it
> takes longer to detect defects. And finally sometimes there will born
> freaks. We all see it. No God nor Satan did intervene, just random
> recombination result was such that passed all the basic tests
> OTW to birth but still had defects in it.

How do you know there wasn't intervention. What forces are inter-
acting on the journey to the egg?

You take a mighty firm position for something you do not truly know,
but only suspect and believe because you've read about other people,
flawed people in sin, teaching you something.

This is where investigation must take place. This is where faith in
God enters in. The man/woman of faith cannot say that God is removed
from the things we see. They seek the whole gambit of answers. They
still have many questions about things in this world, but aren't so
arrogant as to say they know for sure it can't be God creating things.

It is literally only the enemy of God who says such things, and that
is by purposeful agenda. They are lost. In their rebellion against
God they were cast out (literally) of Heaven. They have no future.
They are condemned to Hell for all eternity. And the only hope they
have to avoid that fate is to taint this world so severely that God
would not are destroy His most precious and remarkable creation of
man, so that if God gives man a pass, He must also give Lucifer and
his angels a pass.

It will never happen. God will save all who will be saved, and the
rest will enter into Hell.

All who are being saved will be called from within and will know the
call and voice of God guiding them in a way their flesh cannot know.
It will be internal. It will be new. It will be real. And it will
be amazing.

All who are born again will report the same thing, thought they will
speak about it in their own way of using words to describe what they
personally went through.

Go to local Bible-believing churches and ask them to speak to the
born again believers and listen to their testimony. Do not take my
word for it. Go and see for yourself. Go also to the Bible and
read for yourself. It's the same Bible our ancestors have been
using for hundreds of years up through millennia.

> > You should educate yourself about these things, Leigh. The further
> > you press in the more you'll realize you've been absolutely lied to
> > outright your entire life throughout all of your science education.
>
> Science does not lie. Those are the wolves in sheep's clothing like
> you who lie. Also, you are unable to learn. You reiterate same stupid
> logic errors from post to post.

Science does not lie, but there are evil spirits, the enemies of
God, who are teaching men and women world-wide through sin that
the things they see in the lab or in the field are a particular
way, because it takes God out of our lives. It is not the truth,
but is a truth that can be pressed into sinful-man's natural think-
ing, the one without the spirit, without God's Holy Spirit correct-
ing the errors / flaws in the natural thinking.

All I can do is teach you the truth. I cannot make you believe, nor
is it my job to do so. That is God's own job (as you have stated,
that He can change your beliefs if it is His will). Seek the truth
and you will be saved, Öö Tiib.

--
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On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 10:28:40 AM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 9:52:26 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> > By sheer numbers alone you should investigate the Bible to see if what so
> > many believe is true or not.
>
> The Bible: Proof of god.

The Bible is given to give us a written declaration of God, but
God proves Himself all around us. What we see in nature, even
in science, all points to God. We can learn from scripture how
He established the things He did, and then we can see in all our
surroundings how the things we see align with what He taught us.

> Spiderman Comic: Proof of Spiderman!

There is no evidence of Spiderman in the real-world, save in
movies, on T-shirts and lunch boxes, and all of those can be
certifiably proven to be man-made.

The things of God exist by God's creation, not man's.

> But scholars that study the ancient texts are not that naive, Rick. And,
> unlike you, they do not read the ancient texts in isolation.

You mis-characterize the true position, and then make a con-
clusion based on your mis-characterization. This is bound to
yield a result that can be questioned, but the truth is not
like that.

The truth is solid, and always yields definitive proof of God,
and of God's existence.

It is a common tactic of the enemy to portray something that's
false as though it were truth, and then seek to prove that the
real truth can't be true because the false presentation of the
truth makes the real truth not possible.

The truth is always perfect, convincing, unyielding, and defeats
every argument's attempt against it. God is that truth, and you
will not find a fault in Him anywhere. Ever.

Only when you look into false presentations of Him will you find
faults, and those faults exist not because they are faults with
God, but because the base premise is faulty and the faults all
lie there.

You look at God wrongly, Daniel. Your portray Him as something
He is not, and then discount Him based on those qualities. What
you are, in fact, discounting is falseness. What you are seeking
to uphold is truth. God is that truth you seek to uphold, and
the enemy of God is that falseness you seek to reject.

Think about it.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

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On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 11:21:40 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
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> What we see in nature, even in science, all points to God.

It could also point to Zeus and the greek pantheon, or to Thor and the
lessor Norse deities. You start from the assumption of the ancient Hebrew
god (which itself evolved from the more ancient chief deity of the Canaanite
pantheon) and the "enemy", and for you all follows from that. But while most
of us understand that there are mysteries, we see the ancient texts as
traditions, and not as explanations. And we don't need the notion of the
"enemy" to, as Mr Flibble flibbantly remarks, "invent fossils" or other observable things that contradict the ancient narratives.

Best regards,
Daniel

Öö Tiib

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May 28, 2019, 1:35:53 PM5/28/19

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On Tuesday, 28 May 2019 16:35:24 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 9:16:29 AM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> > Why there are millions of sperm in one ejaculation? It is for the hard
> > way to egg and then for the egg itself to sort out the "unworthy"
> > ones.
>
> That's what science teaches us. How do you know that's the true
> reason? How do you know it's not for other reasons? How do you
> know God hasn't sent angels to make sure the one God wants to go
> forward goes forward and is the one which reaches the egg? That
> those angels can see into the DNA supernaturally, and choose the
> one that matches what God said it should be in that case?

Because I asked why to produce millions of sperm and waste vital
food into those? If there will be angel involved then one is plenty
and angel can correct its defects and add improvements if any
needed. So your "alternative" is nonsense.

> See?

I see you can't read the questions nor answer those like usual.

> We only think in natural terms. We don't allow for God in our
> lives or in our thinking. How do we know that the very creation
> of a new life in this world isn't directly guided by God, so that
> the person is born with the qualities God hand-picked, and hand-
> placed into that part of the world knowing what would come after?

Because we can now read genetic code and even prove parenthood
from it. It is half of genes from mother, half of genes from father and
has about 100 point (one base-pair) mutations (from total 3 billions
of base pairs). There are tons of experiments made about it. Just
mostly not with humans but other animals plants and insects.
Read up, "teacher".

> > Then the fertilised egg has two sets of chromosomes where
> > defective are disabled and so both sets have to have same defect
> > at same place for genetic error to manifest. Still that happens,
>
> That's why in the Bible during Adam and Eve's time, and even up to
> the time of Moses, brothers and sisters could marry and have kids.
> Genetic defects hadn't been introduced in high enough numbers to
> cause issues yet. But when God brought His people out of Egypt,
> and gave the Law to Moses, He then commanded that no close relatives
> could marry any longer, and for that exact reason.
>
> The Bible and God once again proven correct.

Nonsense. 5000 years is about 200 generations. That is 20 000 base
pairs mutated from 3 billions if mutation rate was same as today.
That is 0.00067% of genome. Also miscarriage and other fertility
issues and freaks born to people and animals were in all written
literature (and even in your Bible) always as common as today.
Deaths in early childhood were even lot more common than today.
We can now compensate the genetic defects with medical aid.
Also we do have capability to read DNA from quite old bones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_DNA Nothing indicates that
there was "perfect" set of it ever.

> > (especially on case of insest). Then we will usually get miscarriage.
> > Pregnancy is often canceled during first weeks of it. Sometimes it
> > takes longer to detect defects. And finally sometimes there will born
> > freaks. We all see it. No God nor Satan did intervene, just random
> > recombination result was such that passed all the basic tests
> > OTW to birth but still had defects in it.
>
> How do you know there wasn't intervention. What forces are inter-
> acting on the journey to the egg?

Because if angels do it then there are none need for millions of sperm.
How can one be that dense? I asked it and you did not answer.

> You take a mighty firm position for something you do not truly know,
> but only suspect and believe because you've read about other people,
> flawed people in sin, teaching you something.

I take position that is reasonable. Your alternative (that angels breed)
is clearly nonsense.

> This is where investigation must take place. This is where faith in
> God enters in. The man/woman of faith cannot say that God is removed
> from the things we see. They seek the whole gambit of answers. They
> still have many questions about things in this world, but aren't so
> arrogant as to say they know for sure it can't be God creating things.

No this is where brain has to be applied to the piles of data that we have.
Not in a way that you assume your conclusion but in a way that you need
to have actual plausible alternative explanation.

I will just erase rest of your wall of shit. TL;DR you go back and answer
oh only to the first sentence of mine with anything but confused babble:

Öö Tiib

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On Tuesday, 28 May 2019 16:14:08 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 10:21:04 AM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> > On Monday, 27 May 2019 14:06:26 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 5:00:08 AM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> > > > The issue is that Rick does not understand how science works. He
> > > > does not understand that scientist who shows with actual scientific
> > > > research that previous works are being wrong and/or the conclusions
> > > > drawn in those are ungrounded (since there are more plausible
> > > > alternatives) will be world-famous.
> > >
> > > These publications exist, but they are not accepted by mainstream
> > > science because they tie back to God, and the enemy of God and you,
> > > he does not want any interference with his storyline. He has real
> > > power here in this world, and he advances those willing to follow
> > > him, and seeks continually with great effort to silence or discredit
> > > those who seek to stand up for facts and truth which point to God.
> >
> > Oooh, millions of scientists are "servants of Satan" ...
>

You failed to answer so I snip it. Read again and answer to what I
wrote.

How can a non-Christian transgress against divine laws of Christianity?
Non-Christian can't like sparrow, dolphin, bear or elephant can't.

Also none of the actual Christians follows the 613 commandments in
Bible. So they all sin and have to constantly ask forgiveness from Jesus.
How laughably disingenuous a concept can get?

If I would ever see slightest chance that Judeo-Christian God might
be real entity (not product of Semitic fairy-tales) then I would therefore
join Jews and not Christians. It is because I *don't* *want* *to* *sin*
ever if divine laws actually exist. But the chance is slim ... the 613
commandments are weird to edge and also no real omnipotent being
would let itself to be promoted by such bad people.

> > > You are serving that same enemy of God unaware, Öö Tiib. You have
> > > let sin into your life giving his agents (evil spirits) entry into
> > > your mind, thoughts, feelings, emotions... and he has made you into
> > > a servant vessel for his kingdom of lies, which is why you too rail
> > > against God.
> >
> > No. If there is anything evil in this world then your "true scientists" are
> > serving it. They are making your faith to look backwards, stupid and
> > laughable geocentrism-flatearthery.
>
> This is what I'm trying to explain to you. Because of sin, and because
> of the evil spirit influence in the minds of people who have embraced
> sin by choice, their thinking is twisted. It's twisted around so far
> that the true things of God are held to be lies, and the lies of the
> enemy are held to be the truth.

Weekly Top Five. Those are your dental doctors who post on your
answeringenesis that promote geocentrism-flatearthery. Not the
"Enemy" nor the "high scientists" (actually all scientists) who by
your words serve it.

Pointless propaganda of churches that did not again address what
I wrote snipped. None of supernatural beings (if such exist) need
churches for anything also none of your scripture indicates need for
churches.

>
> > I have nothing against your gods
> > (nor anyone elses gods ...) other that I do not believe into their very
> > existence. That is something they (the gods) can easily fix if my beliefs
> > and/or services are of any importance.
>
> Your statement here is literally exactly what my position was before
> God saved me. I have a video made in 2008 which states this same
> thing as well.

So somehow some of demons did actually contact you and made you to
discredit Christianity so devotedly? Congratulations. I'm jealous, I've
never met any. Im quite certain that such don't exist.

Again propaganda of churches snipped. Omnipotent beings don't need
churches nor priests for contacting me if needed. No one needs. I
am all here.

> > > You do not have much influence, so you are not a high target, but
> > > every asset is used by that enemy. But those "high scientists" in
> > > the powerful positions, they are targeted by powerful evil spirits,
> > > like the equivalent of captains or admirals in a navy. Well-trained,
> > > disciplined, organized evil spirits at work through sinful men and
> > > women, pushing the anti-God agenda.
> >
> > Not "high scientists". Virtually all millions of scientists of every faith
> > (besides your few backwards dental doctors) have studied the works
> > of science. Science is good thing because everything just works like
> > it predicts regardless of what faith the observers have. No need for
> > copy-paste passages of books, voodoo rituals, magical incantations,
> > sacrificed chickens or smokes and mirrors. It just works.
>
> The enemy gives them a framework that appears plausible. But it's
> a facade, an illusion, a really clever and crafty lie that has the
> whole world literally deceived (Revelation 12:9 "The great dragon was
> hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, WHO LEADS
> THE WHOLE WORLD ASTRAY. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels
> with him").

Nonsense. To make all the world work like clockwork by rules discovered
by science always and everywhere would take Vigintillion (120 decimal
zeroes) highly punctual demons to upkeep "the illusion". Pointless waste
of evil beings and unlikely that any gods have organized it like that.

> The truth exists in God's teaching. Press in on any aspect of God's
> teachings and you'll find it holds up under scrutiny, and the enemy's
> lies do not.

Your God has indeed taught me lot of things, like the easy way how to
figure the wolves from sheep. I consider Bible over average good book
despite I don't believe it. Kind of like Lord of the Rings, Historia Regum
Britanniae and the Adventures of Robin Hood about Semites merged
into one book. I suspect that Jesus (if such a man ever existed) was
just a bright rabbi and (at least part of) the miracles attributed to him
are fairy tales but lot of his teachings I like.

> > > This is the battle truth faces here in this world.
> > >
> > > All who seek the truth will understand. God will reveal it to them
> > > on the inside. The rest will not understand, and will think the
> > > whole idea is ludicrous, being driven in thoughts by those anti-
> > > Christ spirits.
> > >
> > > I teach you the truth, Öö Tiib, and point you to it (to Jesus). Go
> > > and read and study and see for yourself if my guidance and teaching
> > > is true.
> >
> > I have clear evidence that every of Christian prophets predicting
> > anything remarkable or promising anything remarkable publicly
> > during past half century have been wrong and delivered nothing
> > good. By their fruit as Jesus wisely suggested. They are wolves in
> > sheep's clothing and you are one of them.
>
> I have also posted that on September 23, 2015 it would be the rapture.

At least you are honest wolf and admit your wrongdoing. That does
give us a chance.

> Christians are instructed to look for Biblical signs. We are called
> to be "Watchmen" searching the scriptures, looking at the worldly
> signs, being ready 24/7/365 with our metaphorical bags packed and our
> lamps trimmed and filled with oil, so if the call ring out at midnight
> we are ready to go.
>
> Many people have believed and reported on the event which never did
> transpire. That doesn't mean they are false prophets. It means they
> misread the signs, and espoused incorrect things. But if you still
> find them teaching you the way of salvation through Christ, that each
> person needs to repent of their sin to be saved, they are true Watch-
> men and they are serving Christ. But there have been many, and will
> continue to be many, who are not saved, who only have religion, who
> are still only in the flesh (not born again, no spirit nature), who
> are literally being led by Satan and his demon imps. Those are people
> to watch out for, because they are just as dangerous to your soul as
> are unsaved people.

Nonsense ... and hope about you lost again. Don't search excuse
for your wrongdoings! Don't accuse Jesus in those! Admit that what
you did was because your own stupidity and fallibility! Admit that result
was evil! Don't forget to ask forgiveness also from people to whom
you did it. Jesus did nothing to drag you into it. You just *are* *not*
prophet of His.

Also you have the story wrong. There will be lot of hardships (a
tribulation), you (good Christians) will be killed during it most likely,
then Jesus will return and raise you (a rapture). I don't believe a word
of it but at least try to get it right.

> It's good you recognize the difference between true and false teach-
> ings, but there is nuance and subtlety beyond black-and-white on these
> issues. You have to examine the whole of people's lives. People can
> and will make mistakes in single instances, in many of those instances
> over their lives once they come to faith. But you must examine the
> whole fruit of their life, and see even how they respond to their mis-
> takes.

There is also second part ... (not only that correct prophets don't give
false prophecies) but that good people do something good. Have good
fruit. You talk a lot about your projects but I've never seen any actual
results of any of those.

> > I do not trust any guidance of such men (nor books promoted by
> > them) about whatever matters. Additionally I consider books about
> > supernatural matters as superstition, fiction and fairy tales. If there
> > is anything supernatural then it can contact me directly. No
> > dumbasses are needed for medium.
>
> God has given us the Bible so we can know Him. You do not and should
> not trust me, but I ask you to go to the Bible and INVESTIGATE FOR
> YOURSELF, to read and study and see if GOD HIMSELF doesn't make Himself
> known to you through that study.

I often see that I know the Bible better than most of Christians. It is "fairy
tale" in my belief system but I happen to love fairy tales of all kinds.

How did the information systems get encoded into that DNA? There
are literal compression, decompression, translation, post-RNA-pro-
duction editing processes, RNA sequences that are used for xyz
protein generation, as well as lmn sequences, and abc sequences,
so that the same exact code produces multiple different kinds of
proteins depending on how they are transcribed and by what, and
change any gene in those sequences and one of those machines will
fail, and the entire organism will breakdown.

The information encoded within DNA is the teller as to creation.
The mechanical processes just process through, but like a DVD or
USB disk that was found somewhere ... it's obvious by its design
that the raw materials of atomic arrangements into forms and shapes
were designed, not produced naturally.

> > The Bible and God once again proven correct.
>
> Nonsense. 5000 years is about 200 generations.

The Earth was different prior to the flood. People then lived to
be in their 900s regularly. After the flood, people lived to be
a few hundred years old, but quickly began living shorter and
shorter lives, and it was soon after that God went to Abraham,
who lived to be 175 yrs old, and told him that He would make a
promise with his seed which later became Israel and Moses and
all of Judaism, as well as Christianity.

God knew the accumulation of base pair errors, and that's why He
said do not marry close relatives in the Law of Moses.

> That is 20 000 base
> pairs mutated from 3 billions if mutation rate was same as today.
> That is 0.00067% of genome. Also miscarriage and other fertility
> issues and freaks born to people and animals were in all written
> literature (and even in your Bible) always as common as today.

Generally speaking, those who are non-viable will not produce off-
spring at rates of those who are viable. Over time, the lesser
strong gene lines will die off.

God has allowed those people to be born, however, because all life,
even the product of incest or rape, is special to Him, because it
is all life, and all of us have fallen-in-sin bodies here in this
world. Even if we are strong and capable, our bodies can still
get sick, they age, they die, cancer can invade, etc.

We are all here on Earth for a short while, and then eternity be-
gins. Those people who died hundreds or thousands of years ago
are still dead. They will also be dead hundreds or thousands of
years from now ... from our perspective here on this Earth. But
in Heaven, time is not like it is here, and what we would call
eternity is not an unending sequence of days, but something more
like a 4D existence like where we move across the room, or across
the country, they can move across time, with eternity being some
large construction where we can go and participate in any part of
it we would like.

> Deaths in early childhood were even lot more common than today.
> We can now compensate the genetic defects with medical aid.
> Also we do have capability to read DNA from quite old bones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_DNA Nothing indicates that
> there was "perfect" set of it ever.

When man fell, one of the decrees by God was that Adam would have
to labor to have food. He would have to work by the sweat of his
brow to endure.

God has always had man hard working since original sin, and it was
for his own sake. When man is struggling, he stays close to his
needs. He recognizes the things he receives as the gifts they are.
When man has plenty, he begins to turn on God and say in his heart,
"I have grain stored up for years, I have need of nothing" and then
begins to become used by Satan as a vessel of harm and destruction
against his fellow man through his plentiful state.

God recognizes that our lives here ultimately achieve nothing that
will endure. All flesh is as grass, and it rises up, shines its
beauty for a time, but then fades and returns to the Earth. Noth-
ing here will endure. Even all of our great creations that could
theoretically last 100s of thousands of years or more will all be
burned up in fervent heat the Bible says.

This Earth was not meant to last. It was designed for a season,
and it has been wearing down since creation. It is a large and
vast machine creation of God, but it has an age and it will endure
long enough to separate out the wheat from the chaff in all human
souls. Those who will seek the truth will be saved, the rest will
not.

This entire Earth is a proving ground for us. We are given free
will to move as we will over each of our days, and God lets us
move (within limits) to our extents so we can record irrefutably
in the books of our lives recorded in Heaven who we are, so that
when the Judgment Day court begins, and the books are opened, each
of us will give an account of those things we did which are recorded
in the books.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+20%3A12&version=NIV;KJV

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and
the books were opened: and another book was opened, which
is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those
things which were written in the books, according to their
works.

God gives us everything here we need to pursue Him. The enemy is
given wide latitude to deceive and mislead and we each choose who
we will follow by our responses to all of that input.

People like Leigh ignore the teachings and don't read them and post
replies like "tl;dr" and that is their decision cast into the books
being recorded in Heaven. Other people choose to believe the lies
of false Christians who killed witches and what not and say, "Those
people were evil! I could never be part of a system that condones
that!" They do not investigate to see if that's the true teaching
of the New Testament age (which we are in, the Age of Gentiles).
They incorrectly associate the guidance of the enemy to mislead and
misdirect those people who called themselves Christians into doing
heinous acts which were not things Jesus called us to do as though
they were. They self-condemn because they did not seek out the truth,
but were content to believe Satan's lie as though it were truth, and
that will be their judgment on Judgment Day.

Other people hear these words and within their core hear the call of
God and come out from the deception and realize their sin and ask Him
to forgive them so they are saved. In those books, Jesus has blotted
out, or transferred the sinful areas of their lives into His own book,
the one He accumulated entries full of at the cross when God trans-
ferred all the sins of all who would be saved, past, present, and fu-
ture, to His own Son on the cross, so Jesus could die with those sins,
setting us free.

The people who were saved will have books which read: On this day,
so-and-so did this for God. On this day, so-and-so did this for God,
and it will repeat for all days they were saved. Those people will
not be judged for their sin, but will given rewards for their service.

You look at things without a seeking eye, Öö Tiib. You are already
convinced you are right, so you look to shoot down everything which
does not align up with your preconceptions. As a result, you keep
yourself on the side of falseness and lies.

God invites you to come and test Him and prove Him and read the Bible
for yourself and see for yourself if what He has said and done is true.
You'll find it is. Fully.

> > > (especially on case of insest). Then we will usually get miscarriage.
> > > Pregnancy is often canceled during first weeks of it. Sometimes it
> > > takes longer to detect defects. And finally sometimes there will born
> > > freaks. We all see it. No God nor Satan did intervene, just random
> > > recombination result was such that passed all the basic tests
> > > OTW to birth but still had defects in it.
> >
> > How do you know there wasn't intervention. What forces are inter-
> > acting on the journey to the egg?
>
> Because if angels do it then there are none need for millions of sperm.
> How can one be that dense? I asked it and you did not answer.

If the body produces various sequences of genes in each egg, and in
each sperm, how do the right combinations come together? We know in
scripture there are cases where people were born with specific attri-
butes. Was that coincidence? Or did God cause it to happen?

If God is directly responsible for the physical body of each created
being, meaning He either directly or indirectly by sending His angels,
determines which egg and which sperm comes together, then He's discern-
ing between the multitude to pull out the one He desires.

It's not being "dense," Öö Tiib. It's giving room for God to be a
part of what modern science would describe as an entirely random and
without God being involved phenomena.

From my perspective I might ask, "How can one be so unseeing as to
actually believe that God is not actively involved in all aspects of
our lives?"

It has to do with your world-view. And your world-view either comes
from God's Holy Spirit guidance if you're a born again Christian, or
from Satan's lies and false teachings over centuries if you're still
just of the flesh and have no spiritual life.

> > You take a mighty firm position for something you do not truly know,
> > but only suspect and believe because you've read about other people,
> > flawed people in sin, teaching you something.
>
> I take position that is reasonable. Your alternative (that angels breed)
> is clearly nonsense.

It is recorded in scripture that angels did breed with man physically
in the Old Testament before the flood. This is one of the reasons God
destroyed all life. He sought to reclaim His original DNA, which is
why He chose certain people, certain animals to come onto the ark and
be saved. He wanted clean DNA coming through, however, the Bible does
record that even after the flood some of that DNA made it through.

But this is not what I was talking about here. I was talking about
the possibility that God is actively involved in which egg and which
sperm of those that are available come together for conception. It
is a system which has God actively involved in our creation, which
would include our attributes like strength, speed, stamina, mental
capacity, etc., as well as our placement here on this Earth, which
city, which parents, what time, etc.

It puts God in the middle of it all, rather than removing it from
Him completely. And, I'll be the first to admit, I do not know if
this is possible. It does seem reasonable, however, being as there
are cases in the Bible where people with specific attributes were
used as examples. And even in modern times, people like Einstein
being born at a particular time so as to give the world nuclear
power. Someone soon will likely be born to explain gravity and even
to explain how electricity works (we don't know how it works, but
only how to use it from the properties we do understand, but why
does an EMP work, for example ... we don't know).

God places people at various times through history on purpose, for
specific purposes. He even names their attributes before they were
born. However, if this is true for all people at all times I do
not know. I do know, however, that it is possible, and knowing how
intimately God is involved with conception (we learn from many cases
in the Old and New Testaments that some people did not conceive for
many years, and that God would keep them from conceiving, even with
the animals as well at times).

It's possible. It's even likely probable. And it would be one other
area Satan would intentionally try and teach God is not involved, so
people can think it's just a clump of cells and support abortion, or
that it's not really a life until it's born, even though science
teaches us that it is a fully determined physical blueprint of every
cell in that future body at conception, and if God were involved in
conception it would change everything.

It's probably why God is involved in everything. All of those who
have not valued human life from conception will likely be judged by
God for that position after He, in Heaven, demonstrates how He was
not only involved, but intimately involved.

> > This is where investigation must take place. This is where faith in
> > God enters in. The man/woman of faith cannot say that God is removed
> > from the things we see. They seek the whole gambit of answers. They
> > still have many questions about things in this world, but aren't so
> > arrogant as to say they know for sure it can't be God creating things.
>
> No this is where brain has to be applied to the piles of data that we have.
> Not in a way that you assume your conclusion but in a way that you need
> to have actual plausible alternative explanation.

All of my explanations will follow the evidence. They will simply
allow for a position your view does not. They will allow for God
Almighty (Father, Son, Holy Spirit), to be the one intimately in-
volved with those things you would say are natural processes.

Nothing explodes in a Big Bang, which creates everything. The
universe cools and solid bodies are formed. The goo coalesces and
out comes DNA systems which produce oranges, palm trees, coconuts,
parrots, polar bears, fish, gazelles, kangaroos and man. Really?

> I will just erase rest of your wall ...

You will be judged for what you have been exposed to. To hear the
idea that God may be involved in things you assume God is not in-
volved with today, that burden is now upon you and you must prove
out that your position is right, because you knowing the possibility
that God is involved will now be considered against you on Judgment
Day.

Seek the truth, Öö Tiib. The truth will never fail you, for God is
truth.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

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By the way, this is how false science worms its way into your minds
through textbooks and other sources. They include words like this
within them:

On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 4:45:44 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> "The authors believe atmospheric ionization probably triggered

^^^^^^^^

> an enormous upsurge in cloud-to-ground lightning strikes that
> ignited forest fires around the globe. These infernos could be

^^^^^^^^

> one reason ancestors of homo sapiens developed bipedalism—to
> adapt in savannas that replaced torched forests in northeast
> Africa."

It uses the words "probably" and "could be" indicating it's not
science. It's speculation. It's religion. It's the religion of
a secularist, believing something may have happened a particular
way, but not knowing.

All of the theories of evolution have these same words. Even in
Darwin's famous book on the subject, it begins with the phrase "I
think" indicating he's not sure that's what it is.

In textbooks about dinosaurs, the teachings read "It must've been
that..." and "Dinosaurs may have ruled..." and always the uncertainty
words introduced, yet it is taught as fact.

What God teaches us in the Bible is a claim. You then take that
claim into the real world and see if it holds out.

Is there evidence of a world-wide flood? Yes. The evidence is
literally on every content. They find fish fossils on the tops
of mountains, for example. The layers people claim are laid down
over millions or billions of years are often found with trees in
them going vertical, or at an angle indicating they were deposited
at the same time, meaning the layers are not over years, but over
a single event. We also see in the Mt. St. Helens eruption in the
1980s and subsequent studies done that what seem to be those same
kind of layers can be deposited in a matter of hours and even in
minutes. It also explains how some of them are bent so severely:

Bent rock layers:
https://answersingenesis.org/geology/rock-layers/2-bent-rock-layers/

A man did a study over many years assembling textbooks and pieces
of evidence regarding the likelihood of dinosaurs existing during
the reign of man on this world. He put his evidence together into
a seminar and it describes the best proofs that indicate dinosaurs
did walk with man as recently as a thousand years ago and back.

Dinosaurs and the Bible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsQIF7Yh3hI

The truth is begging to be known. It cries aloud continually. But
those in sin seek to cover their ears and run away from it like a
five year old who doesn't want to hear his parents teaching him some-
thing he needs to hear/know.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Mr Flibble

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On 28/05/2019 21:45, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

Yes laughable indeed. Of course talking snakes are perfectly plausible
aren't they, dear?

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Rick C. Hodgin

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May 28, 2019, 5:28:22 PM5/28/19

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On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> And Satan invented fossils, yes?

Here's a refutation of your claim made by someone who is not me:

Begins at 2:45 into the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrkYDzILgtA&t=2m45s

"One guy told me, he said the devil put those bones in the ground
to fool us. Well you're going to look like a real idiot when
talking to anybody with normal intelligence when you say some-
thing like that. Okay? Yes, dinosaurs lived. But when did
they live? Where do dinosaurs fit into the Bible?"

The truth in this video will tear down every argument you have
on evolution, dinosaurs, and the like, replacing them with the
true understanding of creation, and man's place on this Earth
among God's created animals.

Educate yourself, Leigh. Then you can ask new questions and have
those questions answered as well.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Mr Flibble

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May 28, 2019, 5:43:06 PM5/28/19

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Nonsense.
A) Your bible is false.
B) Your god the existence of which is predicated on your bible being true
is, given (A), also false.

Rick C. Hodgin

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May 28, 2019, 6:09:13 PM5/28/19

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On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 5:43:06 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 28/05/2019 22:28, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> >> And Satan invented fossils, yes?
> >
> > Here's a refutation of your claim made by someone who is not me:
> >
> > Begins at 2:45 into the video:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrkYDzILgtA&t=2m45s
> >
> > "One guy told me, he said the devil put those bones in the ground
> > to fool us. Well you're going to look like a real idiot when
> > talking to anybody with normal intelligence when you say some-
> > thing like that. Okay? Yes, dinosaurs lived. But when did
> > they live? Where do dinosaurs fit into the Bible?"
> >
> > The truth in this video will tear down every argument you have
> > on evolution, dinosaurs, and the like, replacing them with the
> > true understanding of creation, and man's place on this Earth
> > among God's created animals.
> >
> > Educate yourself, Leigh. Then you can ask new questions and have
> > those questions answered as well.
>
> Nonsense.
> A) Your bible is false.
> B) Your god the existence of which is predicated on your bible being true
> is, given (A), also false.

The content contains non-Biblical sources which uphold the existence
of dinosaurs, in words, in print, in pictures, in pottery, in recipes,
and much more.

Dinosaurs walked with man:

Dinosaurs and the Bible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrkYDzILgtA

The Bible reference there includes the Biblical perspective, but
the video (about as long as a movie) goes into great detail using
multiple sources world-wide, evidences from over the millennia,
including sources from China, Egypt, and other locations.

Won't even watch it, will you, Leigh?

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Mr Flibble

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Daniel

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May 28, 2019, 6:42:10 PM5/28/19

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On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 6:14:35 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 28/05/2019 23:08, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >
> > Won't even watch it, will you, Leigh?
>
> Nonsense.

But it's true! because it's on the internet.

Daniel

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 6:42:10 PM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 6:14:35 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> > On 28/05/2019 23:08, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> > > Dinosaurs walked with man:
> > >
> > > Dinosaurs and the Bible
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrkYDzILgtA
> > >

> > > Won't even watch it, will you, Leigh?
> >
> > Nonsense.
>
> But it's true! because it's on the internet.

Watch the video, Daniel. Judge for yourself. It has case after
case after case from the secular world showing real-world proof
that man walked with dinosaurs.

There are buildings with dinosaurs hewn in stone on them from
2600 years ago. There are countless stories world-wide with
famous stories of people slaying dragons.

Marco Polo reported the Chinese emperor was raising dinosaurs
to pull some of his chariots. As recently as 1611 the post of
Royal Dragon Feeder was a hired position.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Kenny McCormack

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May 28, 2019, 9:15:13 PM5/28/19

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In article <08e1df51-3e17-4bfc...@googlegroups.com>,

heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh

And Donald Trump is a master business man...

Your claims above on a par with that one.

Total fantasy.

--
"He is exactly as they taught in KGB school: an egoist, a liar, but talented - he
knows the mind of the wrestling-loving, under-educated, authoritarian-admiring
white male populous."
- Malcolm Nance, p59. -

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 9:15:13 PM UTC-4, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Watch the video, Daniel. Judge for yourself. It has case after
> >case after case from the secular world showing real-world proof
> >that man walked with dinosaurs.
> >
> >There are buildings with dinosaurs hewn in stone on them from
> >2600 years ago. There are countless stories world-wide with
> >famous stories of people slaying dragons.
> >
> >Marco Polo reported the Chinese emperor was raising dinosaurs
> >to pull some of his chariots. As recently as 1611 the post of
> >Royal Dragon Feeder was a hired position.
>
> heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh
>
> And Donald Trump is a master business man...
>
> Your claims above on a par with that one.
>
> Total fantasy.

It's easy to deny something when you don't see the details.
Satan uses people's desire to do this to make it easier for
them to dismiss the claims of God in the Bible. When you
only glance at them, there's enough doubt injected by the
enemy to make it seem unreasonable minimally, and ridiculous
typically.

That changes when you press in and examine the details, but
Satan relies on people's laziness, their pride, their arro-
gance, to keep them from pressing in and seeking the truth.

Press in and seek the truth, Kenny. Watch the video and see
100s of examples from around the world, proof of dinosaurs
living with man on this Earth in the past few thousand years.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Daniel

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May 28, 2019, 9:40:21 PM5/28/19

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On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 9:27:40 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> dinosaurs living with man on this Earth in the past few thousand years.
>

Interesting. Why do you think scientists say that birds were the only
dinosaur lineage to survive the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event 66
million years ago?

Just out of curiosity, do you also believe in The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion?

Best regards,
Daniel

Rick C. Hodgin

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May 28, 2019, 10:36:29 PM5/28/19

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On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 9:40:21 PM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 9:27:40 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> > Dinosaurs walked with man:
> >
> > Dinosaurs and the Bible
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrkYDzILgtA
> >

> > dinosaurs living with man on this Earth in the past few thousand years.
>

> Interesting. Why do you think scientists say ...

1) Not all scientists say that.

2) Why would the enemy of God teach millions of years?
Why would the enemy of God teach evolution without God?

Seek of God, Daniel. He has all the answers you seek. He asks
you to seek of Him and learn the truth.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Daniel

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May 28, 2019, 10:54:45 PM5/28/19

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On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 10:36:29 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 9:40:21 PM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
> >
> > Interesting. Why do you think scientists say ...
>
> 1) Not all scientists say that.

Science as a body of knowledge says that. Paleontologists say that. Why
would they say these things if they could easily be disproved?

I'm still curious whether you believe in The Protocols of the Meetings of
the Learned Elders of Zion :-) I think you probably do, as it would have
been easy to say no.

Best regards,
Daniel

fir

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youre trolling this group poor fella,
jelping monstrous ass of imbecile hodgin to eclipse programming topics (so anybody will know youre troll at will)
(same this little idiot fibble), stop trolling and move to dedicated spam place

Öö Tiib

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On Tuesday, 28 May 2019 21:53:55 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 1:36:26 PM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 27, 2019 at 10:21:04 AM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> > > > Oooh, millions of scientists are "servants of Satan" ...
> >
> > You failed to answer so I snip it.
>
> I answered your question. You cannot accept the answer because
> it interferes with your view of the universe where God is not
> required.

Why to lie and to lose face? My mother side grandmother said "who
lies that steals." There can't be any masters of this reality nor of any
of hypothetical super-realities that would make me to disappoint
the memories of that woman. I won't ever join for example Islam
since Muslims are allowed to lie in the name of their/your God.

leigh.v....@googlemail.com

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So talking snakes with legs turned into snakes. Are you fucking retarded or what?

/Flibble

Rick C. Hodgin

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Sometimes the questions asked are not the questions needing to be
answered. You'll find this in life all the time.

Re-read what I posted and you'll find the answer to your question.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Rick C. Hodgin

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> So talking snakes with legs turned into snakes.

The world of God's creation here on Earth was different than our
world today. The animals did not fight or hunt each other. They
had grass to eat for food, and man was given fruit from the various
trees God created.

It was only after sin that things changed. Trees and plants began
to produce thorns, and thistles began to grow, etc.

Satan completely changed this world when he tempted Adam and Eve to
sin, thereby deceiving Adam into "handing over the keys to this world"
God had given him.

When Jesus returns, the Millennial Reign (1,000 years of Christ here
on the Earth bodily) it will be like it was in the garden of Eden.

> Are you .. retarded or what?

Or what. :-)

--
Rick C. Hodgin

Daniel

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On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 9:27:40 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> proof of dinosaurs living with man on this Earth in the past few thousand
> years.
>

Then why do scientists say that there isn't, that birds were the only

dinosaur lineage to survive the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event 66
million years ago?

Thanks,
Daniel