Jesus Christ The Bastard

[Rick C. Hodgin]

"No one of illegitimate birth shall enter the assembly of the LORD; none
of his descendants, even to the tenth generation, shall enter the
assembly of the LORD." -- Deuteronomy 23:2

Jesus Christ was himself illegitimate as his Father was not married to
the whore Mary.

--

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On 2/4/2018 12:28 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> "No one of illegitimate birth ...

I, the real Rick C. Hodgin, did not write this post.

Please examine the headers to see that there is someone usurping my
identity (and without my permission). I post from Eternal September
and Google Groups only.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 12:28:52 PM UTC-5, [Leigh Johnston pretending

to be Rick C. Hodgin] wrote:
> "No one of illegitimate birth shall enter the assembly of the LORD; none
> of his descendants, even to the tenth generation, shall enter the
> assembly of the LORD." -- Deuteronomy 23:2
>
> Jesus Christ was himself illegitimate as his Father was not married to
> the whore Mary.

I came across this today and wanted to address this point. There are various
teachings out there which state something like what you say above, or that
Mary was raped and therefore God is a tyrant and a brute ... but please know
the work that is in play in the world regarding the Bible. It's being targeted
by forces bent on hiding what it teaches, and for a very good reason ... because
it is the word of God and it speaks the truth. Those forces do not want people
to know the truth because the truth WILL set them free:

Begins at 24:56:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR_7tkC6ZiA&t=24m56s

"The NIV is now owned by (Rupert Murdoch) a secular publishing company.
So it's outside the hands of the Christian community. And as a matter
of fact it's with something called Harper San Francisco, which produces
very very blasphemous books about Jesus Christ saying He was a mystic,
and that His mother was raped and just horrible horrible things..."

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The facts:

An angel appeared to Mary to proclaim the good news. Pay special attention
to verse 38 where Mary gives her consent to that which the angel has proclaimed:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1%3A26-38&version=KJV

26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city
of Galilee, named Nazareth,
27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of
David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly
favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her
mind what manner of salutation this should be.
==> 30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour
with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and
shalt call his name Jesus.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the
Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom
there shall be no end.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon
thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also
that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her
old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.
==> 38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according
to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

This declaration followed a prophesy given by God formerly, one of miraculous
construct, one which would demonstrate that Jesus, born of a virgin truly was
the Son of God, for virgins cannot have children, save by miracles given them
directly by God:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+7%3A14&version=KJV

14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin
shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

The name "Immanuel" in Hebrew means "God with us":

http://biblehub.com/text/isaiah/7-14.htm
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/6005.htm

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The truth is stronger than fiction and lies. It also has the unique trait of
being the only thing that's correct and foundational upon which to build.

If any of you want to know the truth, seek it out. When it comes to finding
God, and knowing who you are, what sin is, who He is, and why you need Him in
your life ... you will find it ... when you seek it with all your heart.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Mary giving her consent doesn't change anything regarding Jesus Christ's
legitimacy: Mary was not married to God ergo Jesus Christ is still a
bastard.

But of course as Jesus is also the Father, Jesus fucked himself to give
birth to himself which makes perfect sense and isn't absurd in the
slightest.

#atheism

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 11:27:57 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Mary giving her consent doesn't change anything regarding Jesus Christ's
> legitimacy: Mary was not married to God ergo Jesus Christ is still a

> bastard...

I, the real Rick C. Hodgin, did not write this post.

Please examine the headers to see that there is someone usurping my
identity (and without my permission). I post from Eternal September
and Google Groups only.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

PS -- Leigh, you are absolutely disgusting in your vulgarity, a true
servant of Satan's twisting lies perpetrated upon your life. It
is unbecoming for a creation of God to behave as you are choosing.
May God open your eyes to the beautiful creation you are, and lead
you into understanding and repentance for your sin.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 2/4/2018 9:59 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On 2/4/2018 12:28 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> "No one of illegitimate birth ...
>
> I, the real Rick C. Hodgin, did not write this post.

We know.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 2:11:27 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 2/4/2018 9:59 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On 2/4/2018 12:28 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >> "No one of illegitimate birth ...
> >
> > I, the real Rick C. Hodgin, did not write this post.
>
> We know.

Blind and non-forward-thinking Chris ... I do not write these messages
for you or the others here who, today, know what's happening in this
group. I write it for the unknowing soul who searches for my name on
Google and arrives at some horrid blasphemy perpetrated against me by
a Class-A coward.

> > Please examine the headers to see that there is someone usurping my
> > identity (and without my permission).  I post from Eternal September
> > and Google Groups only.

There is true, foundational wisdom that exists, Chris. Seek it.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Wow, you really are a nice guy... ;^o

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 2:55:39 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> Wow, you really are a nice guy... ;^o

You're so... flippant, Chris. Casual about everything. Never considering things
of substance, or seeking out solidity in things. I want to grab you by the ears
and shake you back and forth screaming into your thinking: WAKE UP!! WAKE UP!!
WAKE UP!! But I fear it would do no good. I fear you'll have to go through the
hardest things, being hurt significantly as you go, before you will wisen up.

One of the hardest things for me in this world is to know that no matter how
much I try and teach people the truth, with all the varying ways from simple
instruction to figuratively grabbing people by the ears and shaking them as I
indicated above ... some people will not be saved.

It breaks my heart. It's such a waste. And it's all lost to pride.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 2/28/2018 12:35 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 2:55:39 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> Wow, you really are a nice guy... ;^o
>
> You're so... flippant, Chris. Casual about everything. Never considering things
> of substance, or seeking out solidity in things. I want to grab you by the ears
> and shake you back and forth screaming into your thinking: WAKE UP!! WAKE UP!!
> WAKE UP!! But I fear it would do no good. I fear you'll have to go through the
> hardest things, being hurt significantly as you go, before you will wisen up.

Shi% Just a matter of time?

[Scott Lurndal]

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> writes:
It's such a waste. And it's all lost to pride.
>

Indeed, your Hubris is astonishing.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 2/28/2018 12:35 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 2:55:39 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> Wow, you really are a nice guy... ;^o
>
> You're so... flippant, Chris. Casual about everything. Never considering things
> of substance, or seeking out solidity in things. I want to grab you by the ears
> and shake you back and forth screaming into your thinking: WAKE UP!! WAKE UP!!
> WAKE UP!!

Is that a threat?

> But I fear it would do no good. I fear you'll have to go through the
> hardest things, being hurt significantly as you go, before you will wisen up.

Is that some kind of other threat as well?

[...]

[Rick C. Hodgin]

How do you conclude "threat" from what I wrote?

The statement is that you are so hard-headed that nothing will teach
you until go through it yourself. Life will pound you to the ground,
and then, and only then, will you begin to seek those things you
should've been seeking all along.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope you find out long before then.

I am serious, Chris. You do not realize what you're mocking with your
flippant attitude toward God. You think it's all a joke. It isn't.
These things I teach you about sin, condemnation, Hellfire, and salvation
from sin by and through Jesus Christ are real. And unless you come
to realize this for real, that final day when you stand before God
being judged will consume you.

I hope you get this meaning. It is no threat from me to you. It is
the way things will go for you without repentance. It will be the
final relationship you have with God Himself, and it will end very
badly for you ... unless you repent and ask forgiveness fir your sin
before that day.

It is my teaching to you only, the teaching that comes from the Bible,
and the teaching that is for all people. The entirety of what will
happen to you is between you and God, and whether or not you accept
Jesus Christ. Romans 12:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+12%3A19&version=KJV

19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give
place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine;
I will repay, saith the Lord.

Christians do not harm people, Chris. We warn them of the destruction
that is coming their way if they persist in the rebellion against God.

Good luck.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 2/28/2018 2:06 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 4:40:56 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 2/28/2018 12:35 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 2:55:39 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>> Wow, you really are a nice guy... ;^o
>>>
>>> You're so... flippant, Chris. Casual about everything. Never considering things
>>> of substance, or seeking out solidity in things. I want to grab you by the ears
>>> and shake you back and forth screaming into your thinking: WAKE UP!! WAKE UP!!
>>> WAKE UP!!
>>
>> Is that a threat?

If we ever meet, please do not try to grab me.

[...]

[Öö Tiib]

Please, it is not nice to tease kooky people. For him he is under
grace of his god and others are servants of his bizarre devils and
demons. So anything you tell him just feeds his lunacy and makes
him to spew more of those curses and promises of eternal hellfire
and pain. It must be there are more amusing things to do.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 6:32:51 PM UTC-5, Öö Tiib wrote:
> Please, it is not nice to tease kooky people. For him he is under
> grace of his god and others are servants of his bizarre devils and
> demons. So anything you tell him just feeds his lunacy and makes
> him to spew more of those curses and promises of eternal hellfire
> and pain. It must be there are more amusing things to do.

Öö Tiib, I do not ask you to trust ME. I'm one man. I can make
mistakes, not always be all I should be, etc.

I ask you to:

1) Seek the truth
2) Read/study the Bible (specifically New Testament)
3) Go and talk to other Christians, born again people
in local churches in your area.

Ask THEM about Jesus. Inquire personally. Find out for yourself
if these things I spend so much time teaching on are really true
or not.

There's a whole new life and understanding out there, Öö Tiib.
Check and see for yourself if that claim is true.

Begin with this question: "Have I ever sinned?"

When you realize the answer is "yes," then you must go and see
about the rest.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[bitrex]

On 02/28/2018 10:15 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 12:28:52 PM UTC-5, [Leigh Johnston pretending
> to be Rick C. Hodgin] wrote:
>> "No one of illegitimate birth shall enter the assembly of the LORD; none
>> of his descendants, even to the tenth generation, shall enter the
>> assembly of the LORD." -- Deuteronomy 23:2
>>
>> Jesus Christ was himself illegitimate as his Father was not married to
>> the whore Mary.

<snip>

Deuteronomy 23:2 refers to the "Assembly of the Lord" in the context of
the social and religious orders of the Israelite nations; it refers to
an (earthly) governing council that adjudicated various matters
regarding the social and religious happenings in a Jewish community.

It's basically saying no one of illegitimate birth could be a Pharisee;
as far as I know Jesus never was one or a member of any Hebrew religious
governing council so not entirely sure how the passage is relevant. The
Old Testament has a lot of verses regarding the laws and customs of men
that have little to do with "spiritual issues."

<snip>

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Indeed. In all of our seeking we are to gain a true understanding. The Bible
teaches us to seek earnestly, and in all our seeking get a true and right
understanding in wisdom:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+4%3A5-9&version=KJV

5 Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the
words of my mouth.
6 Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall
keep thee.
7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy
getting get understanding.
8 Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour,
when thou dost embrace her.
9 She shall give to thine head an ornament of grace: a crown of glory
shall she deliver to thee.

There are many who think they know what the Bible teaches on sin, judgment,
condemnation, damnation, who Jesus is, and are able to, therefore, conclude
things other than that which the Bible teaches.

Those "thinkings" about the Bible do not always align with the teachings of
the Bible. As such, each of us is called to seek the truth and get a true
and right understanding.

I point everyone to:

1) Seek the truth
2) Read/study the Bible (especially the New Testament, as we are now
living post-Pentecost, post-Jesus-on-the-cross, and this current
age is different than that given to the Jews in the Old Testament)
3) Go and talk to other Christians, born again people in your local
churches, those there in your area.

Be sure to ask for "born again" Christians. And TEST THEM! Satan is very
deceptive, cunning, clever, and he can fool people with ease. Say a little
prayer before you go as well asking, "Lord, I don't know for sure if you're
real or not, but if you are I want to know the truth, and if you are then I
ask you to lead me to the truth and protect me from falseness."

If you are a true truth-seeker, God will hear your prayer and lead you in
ways that you will later recount with your mouth hanging open in amazement.

God is greater than the enemy of this world who is at work against us all.
God is able to subdue that enemy in our lives, and give us space and occasion
to come to know Jesus as Savior and Lord. It is the culmination of that
which Jesus did at the cross at work in each of our lives.

Jesus Himself did the hard part on the cross, and now He stands at the door
of each of our minds and He knocks. He wants to come in and sup with us, as
we also sup with Him. He wants to be a part of our lives, and for everyone
who takes the slightest step in His direction, He's there to guide and move
and direct us to the rest.

Consider these things. Do not discount them summarily. Think on them. Do
it when you are alone, in silence, no distractions ... just you and your
thoughts there in the quiet peace. Seek to know if God is real from that
place.

Satan likes to keep you distracted, so if you don't usually have "quiet time"
like that, then make some. Take a purposeful moment and turn off all the
noises, go into your quiet space, go to that place where you can be alone
for a few moments and ask yourself these questions in your heart.

Ask if you

1) Really do have sin?
2) Really do need Jesus?
3)

God will answer you with a still small voice in your heart, and it will be
notably different from other voices you have heard.

Hunger is a certain type of voice. A thought entering into your mind is
another kind of voice. A pain in your shoulder is another kind of voice,
etc. But the voice of the Lord carries with it a distinctness that you
will implicitly know ... because He made you, and put that natural ability
to know within you.

Seek the truth. Inquire earnestly. Do not relent until you have it in
your sights and are approaching it. Do this, and God will do the rest.

I love each of you ... and I teach you the truth. Go and see if I am
truly teaching you the truth or not. Do not assume. Know.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Why must we always realize the answer is "yes"? Is it because if we
choose another answer, then we get threatened? Interesting.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 2/28/2018 3:32 PM, Öö Tiib wrote:
> On Thursday, 1 March 2018 01:27:20 UTC+2, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 2/28/2018 2:06 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 4:40:56 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>> On 2/28/2018 12:35 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 2:55:39 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>> Wow, you really are a nice guy... ;^o
>>>>>
>>>>> You're so... flippant, Chris. Casual about everything. Never considering things
>>>>> of substance, or seeking out solidity in things. I want to grab you by the ears
>>>>> and shake you back and forth screaming into your thinking: WAKE UP!! WAKE UP!!
>>>>> WAKE UP!!
>>>>
>>>> Is that a threat?
>>
>> If we ever meet, please do not try to grab me.
>>
>> [...]
>
> Please, it is not nice to tease kooky people.

Yes. It is also dangerous. You might get them thinking about beating you
up into some sort of pulp.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Because God is literal truth and cannot lie. It's why when I teach
you the things God has warned us He will judge, it's not given as a
threat, but as proper information designed to teach you today, so
you still have time to act on that information.o

-----
Watch here at 28:29 and try to understand God's intent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrbqVkoJa_s&t=28m29s

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Öö Tiib]

Sin means that someone has transgressed against divine laws, but
divine laws do not exist.

Laws that I have seen are all human-written. The 613 "divine"
commandments of your god have been written by Semitic priests into
their Talmud and from there to Bible. Do you follow those? Do you
bring burnt offers at Sabbath and additional lambs and what were
there? I somehow doubt it despite it is all in your Bible.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

There are things about the Bible you do not understand.

If you want to understand them, the information is available. It
will clear up any confusion by teaching you the truth.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Öö Tiib]

I did not ask if there are things that I do not understand. I know
it. I am not confused about it. Ignorance is normal. I asked if you
follow your "divine laws"? You did not answer.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

"When you spread peanut butter on bread, Rick, what do you do with the
shells? Do you recycle them?"

That's akin to your misunderstanding of the Bible.

As I say, if you want to know the truth the true information in the
Bible is available to you.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Your question is inappropriate and conveys information, namely that
you do not understand grace and mercy, or the Law, or why it was
given to Jesus Christ.

The Law was our schoolmaster. It was given to protect us. It was
given to keep us focused on the rigors of truth, righteousness, on
the path of God, away from the enemy and his evil teachings. But it
was never intended to save us in eternity. In fact, the Law is absolutely
powerless to save us in any capacity.

What God did toward man was multi-fold. There have been ages of man
where God has dealt with man particularly. The first was pre-Law of
Moses. The second was the Law of Moses. But the third, the age we
are living in today, is the age of Grace.

Everything in the Law of Moses pointed to the coming of Jesus, and of
Him fulfilling the Law in His body, thereby setting us free from the
Law, and giving us His Holy Spirit, whereby the Law (an outside-in
teaching done by rigor and rote) is supplanted, replaced by freedom
from that rigorous Law, to be replaced with an internal indwelling
of the Holy Spirit of God communing with our own spirit, giving us
a new nature, one which naturally pursues the things of God, shunning
the things of the flesh.

God saves us not by the Law, but by fulfilling the Law Himself, and in
giving us Grace. In Grace we find freedom from the Law. In Grace we
find our new spirit nature given to us, enabling us to know, and be,
and do, for Him, and because of who He is.

Jesus Christ has come to the Earth to set the captives (captive to
death by sin, and of the Law which ONLY condemns) free. It is why it
is written, "You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."

Grace and Tryth came from Jesus Christ. And where the Law was powerless to save us, Grace and Truth were able. When Jesus came
to the Earth, He brought us victory. He bought it for us by what He
did at the cross. He took the Law which condemns upon Himself, nailed
it to the cross in His body, so that when He died the Law died with
Him. From that point forward, for all who believe in Jesus Christ,
we are made free from the Law, and are called from within to go forth
and teach others, so that they too can be saved.

This is the Great Commission given unto all Christians. And we have
an example of how it works in seeds. A new seed is planted, the seed
of the new life within a man, the new life given them by freedom from
the Law by Jesus Christ, the new spirit nature ... and that seed grows,
and matures, and begins to bear fruit. That fruit is given to others
with its seed in it, such that others receive and are planted, and
they too begin growing and maturing, yielding more, and more.

The one seed becoming a plant, can result in thousands of other
seeds coming off with many of those becoming plants, which each do
likewise until ... the whole Earth has heard about the gospel (the
good news). And then the end will come.

We who are under Grace no longer obey the rigors of the Law, because
Jesus brought us something new (hence the "New" Testament).

In His Grace we are transformed from dead transgressers of the Law,
into living eternal sons of God. And from our new birth into His
eternal Kingdom, we are transformed and begin living a new life for
Him even upon this Earth, where our old purposes, our old ways, are
replaced by new purposes, and new ways, which are bearing fruit with
the same seed in it, being given to "the soil" around it (people),
so that some might take root.

It is a truly amazing creation God has given us, and this world is
a prover. Each of us is proving to God, to ourselves, to the angels,
and indeed to every thing which exists, who we are, and what we'll
believe ... either the truth, or the lie.

The information is before you, Öö Tiib. Pursue it and live.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Daniel]

On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 6:57:55 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 8:20:30 PM UTC-5, Öö Tiib wrote:
> >
> > I did not ask if there are things that I do not understand. I know
> > it. I am not confused about it. Ignorance is normal. I asked if you
> > follow your "divine laws"? You did not answer.
>
> Your question is inappropriate

"For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or one pronunciation mark shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Matthew 5:18

Jesus thought it was appropriate. So why not answer: do you follow the law?

[Rick C. Hodgin]

The Law is still in effect ... for all who are not under Grace.
It is there where judgment hangs over every soul, and it is full in
its power to convict.

The Law only condemns. It points out where we fail. It has no
ability to save. It's why we need Jesus Christ. Only Jesus saves.
No other way. He sets us free from the Law, and puts us under Grace
instead.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[leigh.v....@googlemail.com]

Answer the fucking question. Do you follow the law? Yes or no.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 8:16:04 AM UTC-5, leigh.v....@googlemail.com wrote:
> Answer the .. question. Do you follow the law? Yes or no.

Your question is as I indicated to Öö Tiib. You learn that peanuts
have shells, and that peanut butter comes from peanuts, so you ask
your question about what I do with my shells after spreading peanut
butter on bread...

You're asking the wrong question, Leigh. Your question emanates
from a fundamental misunderstanding, making any response I would
give you a misleading answer (at best) ... save the one which corrects
the fundamental misunderstanding, which is what I have tried to do here,
Leigh.

-----
There really is logic and order to the things of God. It has symmetry,
form, beauty, and extreme majesty ... you just have to be willing
to put down those things the enemy has previously convinced you of.

The truth is found when you move to where it is.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 3/3/2018 5:28 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 8:16:04 AM UTC-5, leigh.v....@googlemail.com wrote:
>> Answer the .. question. Do you follow the law? Yes or no.
>
> Your question is as I indicated to Öö Tiib. You learn that peanuts
> have shells, and that peanut butter comes from peanuts, so you ask
> your question about what I do with my shells after spreading peanut
> butter on bread...

What if dog was spelled as cat?

[Daniel]

On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 7:23:15 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> The Law is still in effect ... for all who are not under Grace.

Please justify that exemption by citing statements attributed to Jesus in the texts.

Thanks,
Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

The woman caught in adultery. The Law demanded she (and her male partner)
be stoned to death, but Jesus showed her Grace and Mercy:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8%3A1-11&version=KJV

4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery,
in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned:
but what sayest thou?
7b ... he ... said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let
him first cast a stone at her.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience,
went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last:
and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman,
he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers?
hath no man condemned thee?
==> 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither
==> do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

And many other forgiven sins, for Jesus had authority to forgive sin
on Earth:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+9%3A6&version=KJV

6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on
earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the
palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

We learn the pattern of Christ's one-time human blood sacrifice,
being sprinkled on the mercy seat in Heaven, by studying the pattern
God gave Israel for their sacrifices ... and then in the rest of the
New Testament you learn from those prescribed by God to write our Bible
the details of the application of Grace, and how it works mechanically,
and spiritually. The blood of bulls were temporary appeasements,
a precursor foreshadowing of what Christ would do once and for all time.

It's there before you, Daniel. Stop being hostile toward it, and
approach the teachings of God as a little child and you will find it.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Daniel]

On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 8:20:40 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 6:20:30 PM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 7:23:15 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > >
> > > The Law is still in effect ... for all who are not under Grace.
> >
> > Please justify that exemption by citing statements attributed to
> Jesus in the texts.
>
> The woman caught in adultery.

I don't think that story makes your point. It ends with "go, and sin no more", or in other words, from now on, follow the law. Do you follow the old Judaic law, Rick?

Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 8:29:29 PM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:
> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 8:20:40 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 6:20:30 PM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:
> > > On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 7:23:15 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Law is still in effect ... for all who are not under Grace.
> > >
> > > Please justify that exemption by citing statements attributed to
> > Jesus in the texts.
> >
> > The woman caught in adultery.
>
> I don't think that story makes your point. It ends with "go,
> and sin no more",

It ends with, "Neither do I condemn you. Go, and sin no more."

> or in other words, from now on, follow the law.

We are to obey His commands, but it's no longer for religious reasons,
as by the Law, but for this reason (at 28:29):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrbqVkoJa_s&t=28m29s

He explains why God gave us the Law, why He cursed the ground for our
sake. He's given us rigors to focus on to keep our attention on Him,
for if we lived as Adam and Eve did in the Garden of Eden before sin,
with nothing to terminate our physical bodies, no labor, no strife
or struggle, we would sit in idleness inventing ways to do new evil,
as we do in our modern world of convenience, even as history demonstrates
that man needs no additional encouragement to sin.

> Do you follow the old Judaic law, Rick?

I follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit, which is in agreement
with love ... love for God, love for man, and applications of that
love in our lives ... ie, you will see such fruit in all born again
believers as a general pattern of life.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 3/3/2018 5:46 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 8:29:29 PM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 8:20:40 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 6:20:30 PM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 7:23:15 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Law is still in effect ... for all who are not under Grace.
>>>>
>>>> Please justify that exemption by citing statements attributed to
>>> Jesus in the texts.
>>>
>>> The woman caught in adultery.
>>
>> I don't think that story makes your point. It ends with "go,
>> and sin no more",
>
> It ends with, "Neither do I condemn you. Go, and sin no more."

[...]

How many chances does she get before #$%^ hits the fan? I think I
actually read a number. Is it 70*7 times?

[Rick C. Hodgin]

> How many chances does she get ... ? I think I

> actually read a number. Is it 70*7 times?

Go to a local church and ask the people there. You'll find they're
pleasant, friendly, and helpful.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

Every time you evade answering a direct question it speaks volumes about
the credibility of both yourself personally and what you write about.

So, answer the question. How many chances do you get?

/Flibble

--
"Suppose it’s all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are
confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What
will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?"
"I’d say, bone cancer in children? What’s that about?" Fry replied.
"How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery
that is not our fault. It’s not right, it’s utterly, utterly evil."
"Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates
a world that is so full of injustice and pain. That’s what I would say."

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 11:38:09 AM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 04/03/2018 14:06, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 9:49:01 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >> On 3/3/2018 5:46 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >>> It ends with, "Neither do I condemn you. Go, and sin no more."
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> How many chances does she get ... ? I think I
> >> actually read a number. Is it 70*7 times?
> >
> > Go to a local church and ask the people there. You'll find they're
> > pleasant, friendly, and helpful.
>
> Every time you evade answering a direct question it speaks volumes about
> the credibility of both yourself personally and what you write about.
>
> So, answer the question. How many chances do you get?

You don't care to hear the true response, Leigh. You and Stephen
Fry have it all figured out.

Go with what you believe. Demand answers that only give responses
framed in your dictate. See how much truth you find there in that
house of your own making.

> /Flibble
>
> --
> "Suppose it’s all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are
> confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What
> will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?"
> "I’d say, bone cancer in children? What’s that about?" Fry replied.
> "How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery
> that is not our fault. It’s not right, it’s utterly, utterly evil."
> "Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates
> a world that is so full of injustice and pain. That’s what I would say."

The answer Chris seeks is not an answer that can be given without
first correcting the underlying error in understanding which led to
the question being asked in the first place. We're back to:

"When you spread peanut butter on bread, Rick, what do
you do with the shells? Do you recycle them?"

In order to seek the truth, the baseline understanding must be corrected
so the questioner himself/herself will see the error of the question
and withdraw it, as the understanding lends the true question, and
the true answer, without the need to even ask.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

On 04/03/2018 17:30, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 11:38:09 AM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 04/03/2018 14:06, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 9:49:01 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>> On 3/3/2018 5:46 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>> It ends with, "Neither do I condemn you. Go, and sin no more."
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> How many chances does she get ... ? I think I
>>>> actually read a number. Is it 70*7 times?
>>>
>>> Go to a local church and ask the people there. You'll find they're
>>> pleasant, friendly, and helpful.
>>
>> Every time you evade answering a direct question it speaks volumes about
>> the credibility of both yourself personally and what you write about.
>>
>> So, answer the question. How many chances do you get?
>
> You don't care to hear the true response, Leigh. You and Stephen
> Fry have it all figured out.
>
> Go with what you believe. Demand answers that only give responses
> framed in your dictate. See how much truth you find there in that
> house of your own making.

There is more truth to be found in my house than there is in yours mate.
In my house science trumps superstition and logic trumps irrational
delusion.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 5:59:46 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 04/03/2018 17:30, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 11:38:09 AM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> >> Every time you evade answering a direct question it speaks volumes about
> >> the credibility of both yourself personally and what you write about.
> >>
> >> So, answer the question. How many chances do you get?
> >
> > You don't care to hear the true response, Leigh. You and Stephen
> > Fry have it all figured out.
> >
> > Go with what you believe. Demand answers that only give responses
> > framed in your dictate. See how much truth you find there in that
> > house of your own making.
>
> There is more truth to be found in my house than there is in yours mate.
> In my house science trumps superstition and logic trumps irrational
> delusion.

All science confirms Biblical teaching.

There is a powerful enemy, Leigh. He is a liar. He is purposefully
teaching alternative ideas to the true things of God. He's of such
a kind of enemy that all who do not seek the truth will be deceived
by him.

In addition, he tries to deceive people to profess Christ with their
mouth, and do bad things in their life. In this way he makes it
easier for people to take a glance at the actions of those deceived
people, see their bad actions, and conclude that those bad things are
really what Christianity is, who Jesus is, say, "Nope! Not for me,"
and go away having been squarely fooled by Satan.q

The ones who press in past the lies, they are the ones who find the
truth. You're still stuck on "Lies Lane," Leigh, holding on to all
of the enemy's teachings you've heard taught to you as though it were
all truth throughout your whole life. You've never questioned it,
never asked, "Is this stuff I've been taught real? Or is it a lie
perpetrated against my soul as Christians claim?"

The truth knows. The lie lies.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 5:59:46 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 04/03/2018 17:30, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 11:38:09 AM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>>> Every time you evade answering a direct question it speaks volumes about
>>>> the credibility of both yourself personally and what you write about.
>>>>
>>>> So, answer the question. How many chances do you get?
>>>
>>> You don't care to hear the true response, Leigh. You and Stephen
>>> Fry have it all figured out.
>>>
>>> Go with what you believe. Demand answers that only give responses
>>> framed in your dictate. See how much truth you find there in that
>>> house of your own making.
>>
>> There is more truth to be found in my house than there is in yours mate.
>> In my house science trumps superstition and logic trumps irrational
>> delusion.
>
> All science confirms Biblical teaching.

It seems that I have to remind you of Hitchen's Razor again. That which is
asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I dismiss your
baseless assertion with the contempt that it deserves.

[snip]

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 7:45:15 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> It seems that I have to remind you of Hitchen's Razor again. That which is
> asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I dismiss your
> baseless assertion with the contempt that it deserves.

The evidence is everywhere, Leigh. Literally everywhere. You do
not see it because the enemy has convinced you of his explanations
for things, resulting in his claws being in your mind, attacking
and infecting all of your thoughts with falseness and lies.

You will self-condemn your own soul unless you seek the truth.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1%3A20-25&version=KJV

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of
the world are clearly seen, being understood by the
things that are made, even his eternal power and
Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him
not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in
their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

This is you. This is all people ... until they seek the truth.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 7:45:15 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> It seems that I have to remind you of Hitchen's Razor again. That which is
>> asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I dismiss your
>> baseless assertion with the contempt that it deserves.
>
> The evidence is everywhere, Leigh. Literally everywhere.

Another assertion easily dismissed.

/Flibble

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Just some evidence of creation:

God of Wonderr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAuGRhZsMCs

The Bombadier Beetle mixes two-part chemicals in real-time, like
millisecond injector pulses, to shoot focused and aimed explosions
from a specially designed and protected nozzle area.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[leigh.v....@googlemail.com]

That is entirely explainable through the evolutionary process so is not evidence of creation.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Leigh, where is there evidence of evolution?

Where have we observed it actually happening?

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Öö Tiib]

On Monday, 5 March 2018 14:55:25 UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Leigh, where is there evidence of evolution?
>
> Where have we observed it actually happening?

The difference between fantasy and science is that science is
based on facts of real life and facts are easy to verify with
observations. Denial of apparent (to anyone, adult or kid) facts
is one of major reasons why the biblical literalists seem
repulsively backwards and stupid people.

It is trivial to find enough papers about evidence for life-long
reading. Laboratory experiment of Lenski:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment

Also movie made by Kishony:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cmp2m4HzTo

What is there to deny? Evolution just happens.

[Scott Lurndal]

=?UTF-8?B?w5bDtiBUaWli?= <oot...@hot.ee> writes:
>On Monday, 5 March 2018 14:55:25 UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> Leigh, where is there evidence of evolution?
>>
>> Where have we observed it actually happening?

The answer is as simple as "Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus"

[Daniel]

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 6:33:17 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> Just some evidence of creation:
>

> The Bombadier Beetle mixes two-part chemicals in real-time, like
> millisecond injector pulses, to shoot focused and aimed explosions
> from a specially designed and protected nozzle area.
>

I think what you're saying is that because something exists that you don't
understand, you attribute it to some undefined entity that you could have
called "X", but instead choose to call "god". That's fine, as long as you
understand that "X" or god are undefined concepts and have no known
properties. It would be silly to make the leap that X somehow corresponds to
one among many ancient mythical entities.

Many things aren't understood, for example, nobody has a compelling theory
about consciousness, what it is, or how it came to be. It's actually a
pretty astonishing thing to see these animated bits of matter walking down
the street. As science advances, more things can be removed from "X" and
added to the class of known things. But it's unlikely, and not necessary,
that X will ever shrink to nothing.

Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

What you cite here is the very point I'm trying to make. We have
never seen evolution, but only adaptation. The design of the organism
allows for it to adapt to its surroundings rapidly, but fundamentally
it is still an E. Coli. It hasn't evolved into a dog, or even some
pre-cursor to a dog.

There is now information science being realized in genetics research,
such that there is an exchange of information, protocols, encode and
decode systems, which are mated in physical protein structures which
are created at the cellular level. These are controlled with very
very complex and intricate encodings in the genome.

Some of the genomes they are studying are flexible and are able to
handle adaptation, but most of it is not, and especially so on a
large organism like a person, animal, or plant.

It's not evolution. It's only adaptation.

If Darwin was right, we should see continual production of inter-
mediate forms of life from the former kind to the newer kind. We
have how many thousands of species and variations of kinds on this
Earth? Yet we don't see birds evolving into not-quite-birds, let
alone other-than-birds. They simply adapt to their surroundings,
based on how they were designed to adapt.

Give a bird an environment where a longer beak is needed, and those
with longer beaks begin to appear. But give a bird an environment
where resistance to hard radiation is needed, and all of the birds
die.

Evolution does not work. It's a failed "science." It is a lie
that gained traction before we understood genetics. And what we
are seeing today in all cases is ONLY adaptation. It is never
evolution. It is never the introduction of new information from
nothing. It is only the borrowing of existing information from
some sources, along with mutations, all of which ultimately prove
harmful, even if they may seem to be beneficial in the short-term.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

This refers to "some of the sequences in genomes."

> handle adaptation, but most of it is not, and especially so on a
> large organism like a person, animal, or plant.
>
> It's not evolution. It's only adaptation.
>
> If Darwin was right, we should see continual production of inter-
> mediate forms of life from the former kind to the newer kind. We
> have how many thousands of species and variations of kinds on this
> Earth? Yet we don't see birds evolving into not-quite-birds, let
> alone other-than-birds. They simply adapt to their surroundings,
> based on how they were designed to adapt.
>
> Give a bird an environment where a longer beak is needed, and those
> with longer beaks begin to appear. But give a bird an environment
> where resistance to hard radiation is needed, and all of the birds
> die.

This is because there is no variability in existence, no ability to
adapt to that new need, because it was never designed to handle that
kind of change. But the life in its various forms, deposited where
they are likely to be exposed to a particular range of variability
and need, these are provided for in their by-design location variables
built-in to their nature and ability to adapt.

> Evolution does not work. It's a failed "science." It is a lie
> that gained traction before we understood genetics. And what we
> are seeing today in all cases is ONLY adaptation. It is never
> evolution. It is never the introduction of new information from
> nothing. It is only the borrowing of existing information from
> some sources, along with mutations, all of which ultimately prove
> harmful, even if they may seem to be beneficial in the short-term.

By the way, if you all consider yourselves to be scientists, then
you should take a look at the evidence found in nature through
direct observation and see how it correlates to creation. There
has not been one thing seen in nature thus far that is not exactly
explained by creation as per the Biblical narrative. Everything
God has made fits into that which we have in the Bible.

Here's how we get variations in species, by the way. God designed
the variation into the master kinds, such that the original animals
contained all of the variability that would later be expressed, and
He placed an ability to auto-differentiate out to the various
species from the original master of its kind:

"One race, one blood" (referring to people, but it explains how
the process of diversification and adaptation to environments
works based on God's design -- Begins at 16:04):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbODW6XO8zY&t=16m4s

The enemy teaches you lies about "evolution" and things that do not
involve God and His design. "Everything's explainable by natural
processes if you just give it millions and millions of years."

God teaches you the truth. He designed things, put them here. Sin
has corrupted them, but in the original intent it was purposeful
for our pleasure and use, but today has turned.

When Jesus returns ... things will return to the way they were.
The wolf will lay down with the lamb. A child will sleep in a
den of vipers. And there will be no animosity between any of
them. It will be the paradise God created, and sin destroyed.

Each of you has the opportunity to be a part of that future.
The invitation goes out. Ask Jesus to forgive your sin, and you
too will receive forgiveness, eternal life, and be a part of the
way God intended for everything to be before sin entered in and
destroyed everything:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+21&version=KJV

There's coming a new Earth:

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven
and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And a New Jerusalem:

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God
out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And a new relationship with God ... face-to-face (once sin is taken
away and the last man/woman is saved):

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the
tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them,
and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with
them, and be their God.

God will provide for all of us as He intended from the beginning.
The enemy is striving greatly to keep you from that end:

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there
shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither
shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed
away.

All things are being made new ... meaning this sinful existence does
not go on forever. Everything will be restored to what God intended
before sin entered in a destroyed everything. The things here are
temporary, and they are provided FOR US to come to faith, and be
saved. Once the last person is saved, then it's all destroyed and
replaced:

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things
new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and
faithful.

Now we see who God is. From beginning to ending, He has accomplished:

6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning
and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain
of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God,
and he shall be my son.

But for those who reject truth, and embrace falseness:

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers,
and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall
have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:
which is the second death.

It's literal Hellfire for those who will not receive the truth. But for
those who will, the very paradise of God is given because we (those who
acknowledge their sin, and ask forgiveness for it) are returned to a
right standing with God, by His cleansing us of our sin through His Son
Jesus, who did the hard work for us at the cross so that we could be set
free from the lie of the enemy, and the condemnation of our soul that
lying enemy set us on a course toward through sin.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

At 14:01 this preacher explains how you can receive salvation,
eternal life, the new birth (birth into spirit):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb363WRk_B0&t=14m1s

"I don't know what else to do, but I want to be saved... and
you'd be surprised what will start in your life at that very
moment. You may not be saved right then, but your life will
take a drastic change... I'm telling you that God's word will
beget you..."

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Öö Tiib]

On Monday, 5 March 2018 18:43:09 UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 10:15:39 AM UTC-5, Öö Tiib wrote:
> > On Monday, 5 March 2018 14:55:25 UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > Leigh, where is there evidence of evolution?
> > >
> > > Where have we observed it actually happening?
> >
> > The difference between fantasy and science is that science is
> > based on facts of real life and facts are easy to verify with
> > observations. Denial of apparent (to anyone, adult or kid) facts
> > is one of major reasons why the biblical literalists seem
> > repulsively backwards and stupid people.
> >
> > It is trivial to find enough papers about evidence for life-long
> > reading. Laboratory experiment of Lenski:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment
> >
> > Also movie made by Kishony:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cmp2m4HzTo
> >
> > What is there to deny? Evolution just happens.
>
> What you cite here is the very point I'm trying to make. We have
> never seen evolution, but only adaptation. The design of the organism
> allows for it to adapt to its surroundings rapidly, but fundamentally
> it is still an E. Coli.

I already said that you will deny facts explained to you shown and
painted red if needed, doesn't help.

There were billions of E. Coli individuals in that video. Not a single
individual did adapt. The probes were taken, the DNAs sequenced,
the locations of mutations shown. Few were replicated with mutation
to be resistant to lethal concentration of antibiotic. Then from
descendants of these few, again few evolved to be resistant to 10
times of lethal concentration and so on until bacteria that were
resistant to 1000 times lethal concentration of antibiotic were
evolved with 11 days.

> It hasn't evolved into a dog, or even some
> pre-cursor to a dog.

Bacterial colonies can't evolve into dogs before our very eyes without
magic. Since magic does nowhere exist it can not happen.
Dogs were breed from domesticated wolves. Again genes have been
sequenced and trees of evolution drawn. If you are interested then
read.
http://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(15)00432-7
Such things take thousands of years, not few weeks in laboratory.

Out of mercy I snip rest of your mindless denial ... like I said the crisis
of your religion lies in stupidity of its preachers. Who needs enemies
with so backwards friends?

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 12:29:42 PM UTC-5, Öö Tiib wrote:
> On Monday, 5 March 2018 18:43:09 UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 10:15:39 AM UTC-5, Öö Tiib wrote:
> > > On Monday, 5 March 2018 14:55:25 UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > > Leigh, where is there evidence of evolution?
> > > >
> > > > Where have we observed it actually happening?
> > >
> > > The difference between fantasy and science is that science is
> > > based on facts of real life and facts are easy to verify with
> > > observations. Denial of apparent (to anyone, adult or kid) facts
> > > is one of major reasons why the biblical literalists seem
> > > repulsively backwards and stupid people.
> > >
> > > It is trivial to find enough papers about evidence for life-long
> > > reading. Laboratory experiment of Lenski:
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment
> > >
> > > Also movie made by Kishony:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cmp2m4HzTo
> > >
> > > What is there to deny? Evolution just happens.
> >
> > What you cite here is the very point I'm trying to make. We have
> > never seen evolution, but only adaptation. The design of the organism
> > allows for it to adapt to its surroundings rapidly, but fundamentally
> > it is still an E. Coli.
>
> I already said that you will deny facts explained to you shown and
> painted red if needed, doesn't help.

I do not deny any facts. The facts themselves must be inerpreted.
I correct the incorrect explanation and beliefs as to the underlying
cause which drives the change that is observed. It is adaptation
only ... an allowance of movement from one form to another based on
environmental factors.

Watch the "One Race One Blood" video I posted and you can see how
the various species came from the master kind of each:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbODW6XO8zY&t=16m4s

It will teach you how it really happened, as is observable through
scientific evidence and observational science that can be proven
in a lab today.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[leigh.v....@googlemail.com]

Perhaps you should watch a video which actually explains what evolution is and how it works as it is painfully obvious that you don't understand it and how adaption to environmental factors plays a role.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

There is "evolution" in adaptation. It moves from one thing to the next,
with distinct changes as it goes. There's no question about that. But
that is micro-evolution.

The evolution that does not exist, is from nothing to Big Bang, to macro
molecules, to single-celled organisms, to Bombadier Beetles and Orange
Trees.

It doesn't happen, no not in billions of years.

Creation, on the other hand, is easy to visualize.

You're a developer, Leigh. With your mind, you could envision some very
complex software programs, and a wide range of them (graphics, network,
compute, etc., along with variations of the same). With a larger mind
(the mind of God), it can be visualized how He could create the things
we see, because we learn through science how it is a system of creation
from the definition of the "universe.c" program that defines the fundamental
operation of the entire universe from things on Planck scales up, to the
use of that design to handle macro things like molecules, to the use of
those molecules to form structures, to the use of those structures to form
organisms and all their variability, subtlety and nuance.

Creation explains everything. To buy the unobservable notion of molecules-
to-man evolution is ... unprovable, and arguably insane because we do not
see any evidence that something is spontaneously produced from nothing.

Think about the possibility, Leigh. #1 A creator making everything as He
has done ... compared to #2 a universe spontaneously arising out of nothing,
then evolving over billions of years to produce galaxies, ants, and Mozart.
The #2 idea there is insane.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Daniel]

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 2:24:38 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> Creation explains everything.

Everything, and nothing. Now it becomes necessary to explain creation. Sigh.

Daniel

[Daniel]

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 1:01:41 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> I correct the incorrect

Multiple choice, please choose the best answer

(a) Rick the wise
(b) Rick the foolish
(c) Rick the revelator
(d) Rick the prick

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Daniel,

I've tried to explain that we all:

1) Have sin
2) Sin condemns our soul to Hell
3) Jesus doesn't want that, and came to save us from that end

... but it's not received. So, I move toward teaching how God is real
in His own creation (the universe).

It's easy to visualize, but not everybody will be saved. I won't
argue with you, but I do try and teach you in multiple different ways
the truth. If you will not receive it, there's nothing I can do. I
have tried, and that's all the Lord asks us to do.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

On 05/03/2018 19:24, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 2:02:34 PM UTC-5, leigh.v....@googlemail.com wrote:
>> Perhaps you should watch a video which actually explains what evolution
>> is and how it works as it is painfully obvious that you don't understand
>> it and how adaption to environmental factors plays a role.
>
> There is "evolution" in adaptation. It moves from one thing to the next,
> with distinct changes as it goes. There's no question about that. But
> that is micro-evolution.
>
> The evolution that does not exist, is from nothing to Big Bang, to macro
> molecules, to single-celled organisms, to Bombadier Beetles and Orange
> Trees.

The Big Bang is unrelated to evolution (see below) so what you say can
be easily dismissed as a straw man.

>
> It doesn't happen, no not in billions of years.

An assertion without evidence: summarily dismissed.

>
> Creation, on the other hand, is easy to visualize.
>
> You're a developer, Leigh. With your mind, you could envision some very
> complex software programs, and a wide range of them (graphics, network,
> compute, etc., along with variations of the same). With a larger mind
> (the mind of God), it can be visualized how He could create the things
> we see, because we learn through science how it is a system of creation
> from the definition of the "universe.c" program that defines the fundamental

I recommend that you stay off the analogies because that one was
childish at best.

> operation of the entire universe from things on Planck scales up, to the
> use of that design to handle macro things like molecules, to the use of
> those molecules to form structures, to the use of those structures to form
> organisms and all their variability, subtlety and nuance.

How the universe "evolved" is entirely separate to biological evolution
on Earth; abiogenesis is not traditionally view as part of evolution and
has separate theories that attempt to explain it.

>
> Creation explains everything. To buy the unobservable notion of molecules-
> to-man evolution is ... unprovable, and arguably insane because we do not
> see any evidence that something is spontaneously produced from nothing.

An assertion without evidence: summarily dismissed.

>
> Think about the possibility, Leigh. #1 A creator making everything as He
> has done ... compared to #2 a universe spontaneously arising out of nothing,
> then evolving over billions of years to produce galaxies, ants, and Mozart.
> The #2 idea there is insane.

In my worldview #2 is more likely than #1 unless our universe is a
simulation.

[Daniel]

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:07:44 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> I won't argue with you ...

Of course not. You have no arguments. You assert, nothing more.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:09:13 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> How the universe "evolved" is entirely separate to biological evolution
> on Earth; abiogenesis is not traditionally view as part of evolution and
> has separate theories that attempt to explain it.

How do you conclude this? I've never heard someone say this before. In
order to produce "the Earth," "the universe" has to have come into existence.
With the Big Bang theory being the most prevalent theory taught in schools
to date, that would produce the environment which then allows the Earth to
form.

But even so, it goes from nothing (pre-Big Bang) to Big Bang to cooling and
coalescing and the formation of molecules, to aggregation of molecules into
macro molecules, to ... elephants, palm trees, and tuna.

How do you explain the conditions existing to begin the formation of the
Earth?

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:27:09 PM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:07:44 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > I won't argue with you ...
>

> ...You assert, nothing more.

My assertions are claims. But I don't just stop there. I don't
espouse something and then say, "TRUST ME!" Rather the reverse.
I say exactly, "DO NOT TRUST ME! Go to the Bible and see for yourself.
Go to local churches and speak to the people there yourself. Go and
look and see and read and study and examine the Biblical narrative for
yourself and see for yourself if it is as I indicate."

I do not leave it at me. I point you to other sources. It's easy to
disregard and discount me. It's much harder to disregard and discount
the Biblical narrative because you won't be able to find any flaws with
it, and when you go to speak to multiple people they'll teach you from
their perspective, using different words than I do, different examples.

You won't be able to discount it as easily as you summarily discount me.
The Bible teachings are profound and deep beyond measure.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

On 05/03/2018 20:30, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:09:13 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> How the universe "evolved" is entirely separate to biological evolution
>> on Earth; abiogenesis is not traditionally view as part of evolution and
>> has separate theories that attempt to explain it.
>
> How do you conclude this?

Because the definition of evolution within the context of the theory of
evolution is fucking biological evolution which has nothing to do with
how the fucking universe came into existence.

You don't have the luxury to redefine well established terminology to
suit your bullshit lunatic theories; you might think you do but everyone
else disagrees.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:35:34 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 05/03/2018 20:30, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:09:13 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> >> How the universe "evolved" is entirely separate to biological evolution
> >> on Earth; abiogenesis is not traditionally view as part of evolution and
> >> has separate theories that attempt to explain it.
> >
> > How do you conclude this?
>
> Because the definition of evolution within the context of the theory of

> evolution is .. biological evolution which has nothing to do with
> how the .. universe came into existence.

I've never heard of that before. The Earth is part of the universe, and
obeys the same laws as everything else.

> You don't have the luxury to redefine well established terminology to

> suit your .. lunatic theories; you might think you do but everyone
> else disagrees.

I don't think you realize how absurd the idea is you're proposing. I
don't think you've ever thought it through, but have just heard the
professors speaking and agreed with them.

First, you try to divorce the creation of the universe and the creation
of life on Earth. The two cannot be divorced because the Earth is part
of the universe, and everything at a particular level is built atop lesser
things. Trees are built atop a system that's been designed which supports
their leaves from materials brought up through the roots. There has to be
tubes to bring up resources, pumps which lift it against gravity, the
general structure of the tree has to be there to support the branches,
and sub-branches, and leaves need to be able to point toward the sun, and
be comprised of materials that can do their work.

But then you get into greater details: leaves have cells, cells have
protein structures, protein structures have atoms, atoms have electrons,
protons, and neutrons, each of which have constituent parts.

Without the universe forming as it has, nothing above would work. And
when you look at the balanced-on-a-knife-edge set of equations that we
have discovered, some of which contain constants which are accurate
out to even 120 decimal places!!, you can see how finely tuned the uni-
verse itself is. Then you get into the design of the things at each
level to allow the things above it to work. Then the design moves from
mechanics into aesthetics.

Leigh ... you've been told an outright lie that, because of sin, you are
able to believe. But the truth is the master. The truth rules over all.
When you learn of the truth of design, the lie of <insert other teaching
here> MUST fall away.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Mr Flibble]

And here lies what is at the root of the problem with your belief
system: your own misunderstanding in thinking that direct causal
connections exist when in fact they do not; without such direct causal
connections an intelligent creator would make no sense. But of course
you are too blinkered to see the problem here.

So try to assimilate this new information (your bedded in belief system
may make this hard psychologically): biological evolution is unrelated
to abiogenesis and abiogenesis is unrelated to the Big Bang.

[Daniel]

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:30:47 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:09:13 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> > How the universe "evolved" is entirely separate to biological evolution
> > on Earth; abiogenesis is not traditionally view as part of evolution and
> > has separate theories that attempt to explain it.
>
> How do you conclude this? I've never heard someone say this before.

It is the essence of science. Science does not start with the idea of
producing a theory of everything. The theory of evolution is on very
firm ground. Cosmology is necessarily more speculative.

> In order to produce "the Earth," "the universe" has to have come into
> existence.

All scientific theories take some things as given. It's like in math,
you have to start with something, it can be the natural numbers, or it
can be sets, but something. As science advances, what is taken as
given gets pushed back, and is itself explained in terms of more basic
things.

Take your own way of thinking, which is reminiscent of an older pre-
scientific way of thinking. Your mind can't grasp the idea of being
uncertain, of not knowing, you must know! you must know now! so ergo, you
assert that god did it all. But if you were to think deeper, you'd realize
that that god is just an undefined concept that explains nothing. It might
help if you used the letter X to denote this undefined concept rather
than use the word god.

Daniel

[Ian Collins]

On 03/06/2018 09:30 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:09:13 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> How the universe "evolved" is entirely separate to biological evolution
>> on Earth; abiogenesis is not traditionally view as part of evolution and
>> has separate theories that attempt to explain it.
>
> How do you conclude this? I've never heard someone say this before.

Your willful ignorance of the science you deny (I won't say attempt to
disprove or debunk because you offer no evidence) is astounding. The
physical universe is governed by the laws of physics and we have the
brave souls (who I assume you would still burn as heretics) who defied
religious dogma to thank for our enlightenment.

If your deity created the laws of physics, it did great job of masking
its own existence.

--
Ian.

[Daniel]

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:45:44 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:35:34 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> >
> > Because the definition of evolution within the context of the theory of
> > evolution is .. biological evolution which has nothing to do with
> > how the .. universe came into existence.
>
> I've never heard of that before.

That's great! you've learned something new. And now is the time to read a book about scientific methodology to learn more, while you're digesting these insights.

Best regards,
Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:52:13 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> So try to assimilate this new information...: biological evolution is unrelated

> to abiogenesis and abiogenesis is unrelated to the Big Bang.

You're simply wrong, Leigh.

Even in chemistry physics is at work. The fundamental laws of our
universe determine how chemical interactions will occur. You cannot,
under any circumstances, divorce the two.

I'm amazed this is a real theory that exists. I've honestly never
heard it before.

You cannot take "the universe existing" as a given, and then build
atop that construct with a beginning for biology. The universe's
existence is the fundamental factor which lets everything thereafter
exist.

I am truly sorry if you have been taught that the two are separate.
I can only conclude that teaching exists because it makes it easier
or more palpable to deal with just one part of the whole, but it's
the whole that is reality, not just parts.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Scott Lurndal]

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> writes:
>On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:27:09 PM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:
>> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:07:44 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> > I won't argue with you ...
>>
>> ...You assert, nothing more.
>

>I say exactly, "DO NOT TRUST ME! Go to the Bible and see for yourself.

The bible is just another book of collected folk tales, like the Iliad.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

I thought you said you were a Christian, Scott. In fact, I called you
out on it rather staunchly previously saying that you are not saved, that
you are not a Christian.

If you make the claim you do above for real ... then you are lost and
have been deceived by the enemy.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Ian Collins]

Is that the other Rick, or a self parody?

--
Ian.

[Mr Flibble]

So 9/11 happened not because of the actions of a group of terrorists but
because of the Big Bang because everything is connected? Of course not
because they are INDEPENDENT EVENTS. I guess you are unaware of the
concept of INDEPENDENT EVENTS. There is a model for a universe which
doesn't have INDEPENDENT EVENTS where everything is pre-ordained and
free will is an illusion but I am not convinced by it especially when
you let quantum mechanics muddy the water.

[Daniel]

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:34:16 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> the Biblical narrative because you won't be able to find any flaws with
> it

What do you mean by flaws? What would you consider a flaw? Would you say
that there are flaws in Shakespeare, the Iliad and the Odyssey, and other
great works?

If you mean to suggest that there are no contradictions in the biblical texts, that's clearly not true, it was in fact the observation of contradictions that led to modern biblical scholarship.

Daniel

[Rick C. Hodgin]

"Science Confirms The Bible" ... Learn the culmination of
knowledge from creation scientists:

Live web stream in about 20 minutes (6:30pm Central):
https://livestream.com/accounts/6529618/events/8076580

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Ian Collins]

On 03/06/2018 01:11 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> "Science Confirms The Bible" ... Learn the culmination of
> knowledge from creation scientists:

Isn't "creation scientist" an oxymoron?

--
Ian.

[Daniel]

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 7:12:17 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> "Science Confirms The Bible" - creation scientists

New hope for dead people!

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 3/4/2018 2:59 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 04/03/2018 17:30, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 11:38:09 AM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>> On 04/03/2018 14:06, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 9:49:01 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 3/3/2018 5:46 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>>> It ends with, "Neither do I condemn you.  Go, and sin no more."
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> How many chances does she get ... ?  I think I
>>>>> actually read a number. Is it 70*7 times?
>>>>
>>>> Go to a local church and ask the people there.  You'll find they're
>>>> pleasant, friendly, and helpful.
>>>
>>> Every time you evade answering a direct question it speaks volumes about
>>> the credibility of both yourself personally and what you write about.
>>>
>>> So, answer the question. How many chances do you get?
>>
>> You don't care to hear the true response, Leigh.  You and Stephen
>> Fry have it all figured out.
>>
>> Go with what you believe.  Demand answers that only give responses
>> framed in your dictate.  See how much truth you find there in that
>> house of your own making.
>
> There is more truth to be found in my house than there is in yours mate.
>  In my house science trumps superstition and logic trumps irrational
> delusion.

To answer my own question, well take a look at:

https://faithinthenews.com/5-powerful-bible-verses-about-second-chances

Something like:
________________________
Matthew 18:21-22 “Then Peter came up and said to him, ‘Lord, how often
will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven
times?’ Jesus said to him, ‘I do not say to you seven times, but seventy
times seven.’”
________________________

So, for some reason I read 70*7? Rick, is that correct? What am I
missing here?

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 3/5/2018 4:54 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Leigh, where is there evidence of evolution?

If you get burned by a flame, you try to avoid touching a flame again right?

>
> Where have we observed it actually happening?
>

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 3/5/2018 7:29 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> =?UTF-8?B?w5bDtiBUaWli?= <oot...@hot.ee> writes:

>> On Monday, 5 March 2018 14:55:25 UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> Leigh, where is there evidence of evolution?
>>>

>>> Where have we observed it actually happening?
>

> The answer is as simple as "Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus"
>

Yikes!

[Chris M. Thomasson]

For some reason I want to answer a _and_ b. Humm...

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 3/4/2018 8:37 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 04/03/2018 14:06, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 9:49:01 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>> On 3/3/2018 5:46 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>> It ends with, "Neither do I condemn you.  Go, and sin no more."
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> How many chances does she get ... ?  I think I
>>> actually read a number. Is it 70*7 times?
>>
>> Go to a local church and ask the people there.  You'll find they're
>> pleasant, friendly, and helpful.
>
> Every time you evade answering a direct question it speaks volumes about
> the credibility of both yourself personally and what you write about.

Yeah. Why should I think that the individuals in the local church will
know the answer? I thought that Rick was a Teacher! ;^o

Why should I go bother/spam/annoy those kind souls? Well now, Rick is
the beacon of the Word in this group: right? I asked him a simple
question about the Bible. Wow.

> So, answer the question. How many chances do you get?

Read the word, unfortunately I had to find it myself for the Teacher was
of no help:

https://faithinthenews.com/5-powerful-bible-verses-about-second-chances

;^)

[David Brown]

On 04/03/18 15:06, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 9:49:01 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 3/3/2018 5:46 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> It ends with, "Neither do I condemn you. Go, and sin no more."
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> How many chances does she get ... ? I think I
>> actually read a number. Is it 70*7 times?
>
> Go to a local church and ask the people there. You'll find they're
> pleasant, friendly, and helpful.
>

Please take your own advice. Try talking to qualified people - priests
or ministers who have studied theology and know what they are talking
about, or experienced missionaries who understand how to spread their
faith. Hopefully you will realise that you are badly mistaken in many
aspects of what you believe and how you think you are supposed to act.
Then you can try to learn when to talk about your religious ideas and
when to keep quiet. You might even try talking to people that are
religious /and/ understand science, and learn how screwed up your
world-view actually is.

Of course, you will probably just assume that everyone you talk to is
possessed by the devil and only you alone have the "right" answer.
Paranoid delusions are always self re-enforcing.

[David Brown]

On 05/03/18 21:30, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:09:13 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> How the universe "evolved" is entirely separate to biological evolution
>> on Earth; abiogenesis is not traditionally view as part of evolution and
>> has separate theories that attempt to explain it.
>
> How do you conclude this? I've never heard someone say this before.

That's because you never listen to anyone who makes sense.

> In
> order to produce "the Earth," "the universe" has to have come into existence.
> With the Big Bang theory being the most prevalent theory taught in schools
> to date, that would produce the environment which then allows the Earth to
> form.
>
> But even so, it goes from nothing (pre-Big Bang) to Big Bang to cooling and
> coalescing and the formation of molecules, to aggregation of molecules into
> macro molecules, to ... elephants, palm trees, and tuna.

You are attributing purpose to something that has no purpose or guide.
The universe did not progress from the Big Bang to elephants. It is a
continuously changing system (I'd use the word "evolving", but it would
be in a very different sense than biological evolution, and would just
confuse you). At this particular sample point in time - a few million
year sample out of some 13.4 billion years so far, and a great many more
years in the future - and at this particular sample point in space,
there happen to be elephants. But thinking of elephants in the context
of the big bang and the universe is like finding an interesting
leaf-shaped cornflake in your breakfast, and concluding that the entire
food industry was build to give you that one cornflake.

You are so firmly in the mindset of thinking everything was designed for
humans, that you miss the point entirely. It is apparent in much of
what you write, and your massive misunderstandings about evolution.
(Why can't E.Coli evolve into a dog? For much the same reason that you
can't be father to your same-aged cousins. E.Coli are modern lifeforms,
just like dogs, and they have both evolved in the approximately 2
billion years since they shared a common ancestor.)

Oh, and the Big Bang theory does not have a "pre-Big Bang" or have any
idea what started it. There are many other theories that /do/ try to
figure out what was before the Big Bang, or to replace or modify the Big
Bang theory, but none as yet have much evidence or grounding. As has
been said, "Science doesn't know everything. If it did, we'd stop doing
it".

[David Brown]

On 05/03/18 21:33, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:27:09 PM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:
>> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 3:07:44 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> I won't argue with you ...
>>
>> ...You assert, nothing more.
>
> My assertions are claims. But I don't just stop there. I don't
> espouse something and then say, "TRUST ME!" Rather the reverse.
> I say exactly, "DO NOT TRUST ME! Go to the Bible and see for yourself.

If we are not to trust you, then why should we trust your book
recommendations? Why should we trust your claims that any of your
religious ranting is remotely relevant to anyone else?

It turns out that most - if not all - of the people you are yelling at
here are already somewhat familiar with the Bible, churches, and the
basics of Christian theology. I'd suggest that many have a far better
understanding than you do. (Obsessively quoting the Bible is not the
same as understanding what the various writers were saying.)

Those that think reading the Bible is relevant, or interesting, or
educational, or key to saving their souls, will already be reading it.
Those that want to go to church, will go to church.

All you manage with your foaming-at-the-mouth rants is to ensure that
people who are a little curious about learning more of Christianity will
keep away to avoid such madness.

[David Brown]

Perhaps Scott /is/ a Christian, but believes God gave him a brain with
the capacity for reason so that he would /think/. Understanding that
the Bible is a collection of writings of men (and perhaps some women,
carefully disguised), based on their knowledge at the time and written
for their peers in their society. There is nothing contradictory about
being a Christian and a follower of Jesus while not considering the
Bible to be more than a collection of stories and teachings from a
by-gone era.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 10:16:07 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> The truth is stronger than fiction and lies. It also has the unique trait of
> being the only thing that's correct and foundational upon which to build.
>
> If any of you want to know the truth, seek it out. When it comes to finding
> God, and knowing who you are, what sin is, who He is, and why you need Him in
> your life ... you will find it ... when you seek it with all your heart.

"Scientists" are supposed to look at facts, all facts, and come
to an objective conclusion. God has given us a historical narrative,
and over time science has confirmed it while "scientists" continue
to extend, revise, replace their former theories with new ones. But
the Biblical narrative has never changed, and remains consistent
with observable evidence, including modern genetics research which
has completely proven evolution is impossibke.

Here is the true history of creation, man, sin, and corruption, alomg
with redemption and salvation from the corruption, and a coming new
Earth and new Heaven. God has well provisioned for us:

Creation, the fall, and the spreading out of man after the flood,
why we see distinct people groups in various areas:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1-11&version=KJV

God's love for mankind, gifting him salvation from sin, and
eternal life:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1-11&version=KJV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+12-21&version=KJV

The future for all of mankind, saved and unsaved:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+19-21&version=KJV

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There is a real enemy at work teaching you all "a Godless explanation"
for all things, all paths, all choices. That enemy is just that:
your enemy. He is not looking out for your interests. He is looking to see your soul in Hell.

Read those passages above. Tell me where you find ANY FLAW with
the Genesis account. You won't be able to.

God has preserved His word. Everyone who has sin and wants to be
forgiven, to have eternal life in Heaven with God, to live in a body
like the angels that never tires or ages or is infirmed ... God gifts
us a second chance to, once again, be a part of His eternal Kingdom.
He does this by giving us Jesus ... to take our sin away, and give
us new life.

Read these things. Think on them. Try to find fault with them.

God is reaching out to save YOU. Receive His free gift of forgiveness,
and eternal life through Jesus Christ.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[David Brown]

On 06/03/18 12:26, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 10:16:07 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> The truth is stronger than fiction and lies. It also has the unique trait of
>> being the only thing that's correct and foundational upon which to build.
>>
>> If any of you want to know the truth, seek it out. When it comes to finding
>> God, and knowing who you are, what sin is, who He is, and why you need Him in
>> your life ... you will find it ... when you seek it with all your heart.
>
> "Scientists" are supposed to look at facts, all facts, and come
> to an objective conclusion. God has given us a historical narrative,
> and over time science has confirmed it while "scientists" continue
> to extend, revise, replace their former theories with new ones. But
> the Biblical narrative has never changed, and remains consistent
> with observable evidence, including modern genetics research which
> has completely proven evolution is impossibke.
>

Scientists /do/ look at the facts (though they sometimes get things
wrong, or succumb to bias, or miss things, just like everyone else).
God is not "fact", and the Bible certainly is not a source of any kind
of facts or evidence. Those that actually have a faith and a believe,
rather than just a psychosis, understand this - their belief in their
god (or gods) comes from faith, not demonstrable fact. And those that
understand science, theology, or both can easily see that the Bible (and
other religious texts from other religions) do not match with science
and observation any more than the average book of fairy tales. For
people who are actually Christian and not hysterical fanatics, this is
not an issue because they see their religious texts as a guide to their
beliefs and their way of life, rather than a science or history book.

Scientists - and everyone else - should follow the old adage: "Keep an
open mind, but not /so/ open that your brains dribble out".

<snip drivel>

[Rick C. Hodgin]

The Bible is the authority on things in this world. It was given to man
by God through His own Holy Spirit, an invisible spirit that comes to men
and guides them per God's guidance. When men sat down to write the Bible,
it wasn't men writing their own original thoughts. It was God guiding
them from within on what to write.

The Bible is inspired of God, and contains the necessary knowledge God
has given mankind to come to repentance and ask forgiveness for their sin.

There have been five distinct ages of man:

1) Garden of Eden before sin. Perfection, and flesh-based eternal
life.
2) The time post-sin before the flood of Noah.
3) The time before the Law was given to Moses.
4) The time after the Law was given to Moses, and before Jesus was
born.
5) The time since Jesus was born, which is the age we live in now.


God is restoring us to sinless perfection. He does this by sending us
His own Son to take away our sin. Jesus takes away our sin by being born
as one of us, under our laws, yet having no sin of His own (born of a
virgin, therefore not carrying Adam's original sin), living a sin-free
life, and being condemned by man as guilty, yet innocent before God, He
was able to take all of the sin for all who would believe in Him, past,
present, and future, and transfer that sin onto Himself at the cross,
and then die once and for all with that sin.

When Jesus did this the Earth shook. Things changed. Time was divided.
And after He was buried, and fifty days after His resurrection, He gave
man His own Holy Spirit, to guide everyone who is born again from within.

For believers:

God's with us each day as we go. He's there in spirit guiding us from
within. He communes with our own spirit. We are aware of things our
flesh cannot be aware of. We know things our flesh cannot know. We
can discern falseness and truth spiritually, even when our flesh can be
deceived.

-----
Each of you has sin. Each of you is already condemned to Hell because
of that sin (John 3:18). But each of you can be forgiven by acknowledging
your sin, and asking Jesus to forgive you.

Your life has value. You are an important creation to God. He hasn't
judged the whole Earth yet despite all its wickedness because He's still
waiting for the last of those who will come to Him and ask forgivevness
to do so. You can be one of them.

Ask Jesus to forgive your sin, and gain eternal life. Ditch the corrupt
and foul ways of the world, and embrace God's teaching toward truth and
righteousness. He will lead you in this world, and promises a future
where >99% of what we know today passes away because of its corrupt nature.
Heaven will not be like Earth. Heaven will be literal heaven.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 3/7/2018 6:48 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> The Bible is the authority on things in this world. It was given to man
> by God through His own Holy Spirit, an invisible spirit that comes to men
> and guides them per God's guidance. When men sat down to write the Bible,
> it wasn't men writing their own original thoughts. It was God guiding
> them from within on what to write.
>
> The Bible is inspired of God, and contains the necessary knowledge God
> has given mankind to come to repentance and ask forgiveness for their sin.
>
> There have been five distinct ages of man:

[...]

I asked you a simple question, and got nothing.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

In the longest evolution experiment, E. coli started out as E. coli, and is
still E. coli today.

http://www.darwinthenandnow.com/2018/01/longest-evolution-experiment-dead-end/

"Laboratory experiments repeatedly demonstrate how bacteria, while
having an incalculable capacity for change, continue as from the
beginning. Bacteria have not “been one of the great vindications
of the theory of evolution,” as touted by the University of Colorado.

"By starting with E. coli and ending with E. coli, Lenski’s laboratory
project now has the distinction as the industry’s longest evolution
experiment dead-end."

Not evolution. Only adaptation, as it design allowed / provided.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Öö Tiib]

On Saturday, 10 March 2018 03:58:22 UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> In the longest evolution experiment, E. coli started out as E. coli, and is
> still E. coli today.
>
> http://www.darwinthenandnow.com/2018/01/longest-evolution-experiment-dead-end/

You really repeat your expectation of hundreds of millions of years of
evolution on large planet to be mimicked as whole in decade of
experiment in tiny flasks? Dog did not jump out of substrate for
E.coli, so it failed? :D

[Rick C. Hodgin]

Not "dog," but something other than E. coli.

If E. coli cannot "evolve" in 30 years of an ideal accelerated
environment, how do you possibly think multi-celled mass organisms
evolved with all their incredible diversification in just a few
hundred million years?

It's not possible. Evolution does not exist. Only adaptation,
and that is by design for the very environment the creations would
live in.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[Rick C. Hodgin]

On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 7:27:51 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> I asked you a simple question, and got nothing.

So that you are completely clear on this, I will never communicate
with you again on any forum ... until you repent and ask forgiveness
from Jesus and are transformed.

I will remember you in my prayers for that day.

--
Rick C. Hodgin

[leigh.v....@googlemail.com]

Nobody cares.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

On 3/10/2018 4:20 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 7:27:51 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> I asked you a simple question, and got nothing.
>
> So that you are completely clear on this, I will never communicate
> with you again on any forum ... until you repent and ask forgiveness
> from Jesus and are transformed.

You truly are a teacher. ;^o

>
> I will remember you in my prayers for that day.

Thank you.

[Öö Tiib]

On Saturday, 10 March 2018 14:11:42 UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 6:24:04 AM UTC-5, Öö Tiib wrote:
> > On Saturday, 10 March 2018 03:58:22 UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > In the longest evolution experiment, E. coli started out as E. coli, and is
> > > still E. coli today.
> > >
> > > http://www.darwinthenandnow.com/2018/01/longest-evolution-experiment-dead-end/
> >
> > You really repeat your expectation of hundreds of millions of years of
> > evolution on large planet to be mimicked as whole in decade of
> > experiment in tiny flasks? Dog did not jump out of substrate for
> > E.coli, so it failed? :D
>
> Not "dog," but something other than E. coli.
>
> If E. coli cannot "evolve" in 30 years of an ideal accelerated
> environment, how do you possibly think multi-celled mass organisms
> evolved with all their incredible diversification in just a few
> hundred million years?

It is not too simple mathematics and you will deny facts anyway so
what is the point to explain? I believe into humans having
rational mind hiding under whatever madness so I try. Prove me wrong,
please. :D

The mutation rate in alive beings is somewhere from 10^-10 to 10^-8
per base-pair per generation. So for particular one base pair mutant
to occur we need 10^8 to 10^10 reproduction events. How fast mutation
is selected for depends on advantage that mutation provides over others
and that takes also lot of generations.

Lenski had populations daily fluctuating between 5*10^6 and 5*10^8 in
his 12 flasks. E.coli genome is 5*10^6 (actually 4.5*10^6 to 5.5*10^6)
base pairs. The experiment was set up so that there was about 6.5
generations per day (71000 in 30 years). So most beneficial mutation
occurred in couple of days. In Lenski experiment it took
in average about 1000 generations (or about 150 days) per occurred
beneficial mutation to be selected. Therefore in those 71000
generations there was about 70 new base pair changes selected
from about 5 million base pairs per flask. It was still E.coli indeed,
is anybody surprised?

> It's not possible. Evolution does not exist. Only adaptation,
> and that is by design for the very environment the creations would
> live in.

Only utter morons deny facts.

[Rick C. Hodgin]

When you look at the diversity of life, the various forms, the aesthetic
beauty, the varying chemistries, the range of abilities, each in their
distinct form, clearly distinct from the others, the well-suited
abilities for each of their environments, the complexities of thought,
reason, instinct, epigenetics, all built atop such a fragile replication
system that introduces failures at a steady rate through random
mutations ... do you really think that nothing ... turned into something ...
and that something ... turned into everything ... all by itself?

> > It's not possible. Evolution does not exist. Only adaptation,
> > and that is by design for the very environment the creations would
> > live in.
>
> Only utter morons deny facts.

I agree. The evidence of overt creation is staggering. And the
evidence for God is everywhere. Only in sin are we able to deny the
truth, or hold falseness up before us as though it were truth.

Öö Tiib, go to the Answers in Genesis YouTube page and watch some
of their videos. "One Race One Blood" teaches the true history of
creation and species diversification observed here in this world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbODW6XO8zY&t=16m0s

The videos by Dr. Georgia Purdom are also very informative.

--
Rick C. Hodgin