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Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 4, 2017, 11:27:54 PM3/4/17
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The Creator of the universe calls you to be with Him where He is in
the paradise of Heaven. He wants to forgive your sin and give you
eternal life in a body like the angels, young, beautiful, strong,
and without weakness or failing.

Jesus is the way to forgiveness, and His free gift of eternal life.

Go to church. Ask the Christians there to explain this to you in
a way you can understand. Before you go, say a prayer asking God
to guide you rightly, to the right church, to the right people. If
you are sincere in your search, He will do this for you, because He
loves you and He will honor your request.

Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin

Mr Flibble

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Mar 5, 2017, 1:05:37 PM3/5/17
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On 05/03/2017 04:27, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> The Creator of the universe calls you to be with Him where He is in
> the paradise of Heaven. He wants to forgive your sin and give you
> eternal life in a body like the angels, young, beautiful, strong,
> and without weakness or failing.

No gods detected. Heaven not detected.

> Jesus is the way to forgiveness, and His free gift of eternal life.

Jesus never existed; we know this because evolution is a fact.

> Go to church. Ask the Christians there to explain this to you in
> a way you can understand. Before you go, say a prayer asking God
> to guide you rightly, to the right church, to the right people. If
> you are sincere in your search, He will do this for you, because He
> loves you and He will honor your request.

Fuck off and die you obtuse off topic cunt.

/Flibble

Gareth Owen

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Mar 5, 2017, 1:07:23 PM3/5/17
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Mr Flibble <flibbleREM...@i42.co.uk> writes:

>> Jesus is the way to forgiveness, and His free gift of eternal life.
>
> Jesus never existed; we know this because evolution is a fact.

Worst. Syllogism. Ever.

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 5, 2017, 1:21:04 PM3/5/17
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People believe Jesus never existed. There is secular evidence of
His existence:

https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-christ/incarnation/jesus-did-not-exist/

Birth of Jesus and secular references:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IkPpnRVfSw

Mr Flibble

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Mar 5, 2017, 1:44:03 PM3/5/17
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On 05/03/2017 18:20, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> People believe Jesus never existed. There is secular evidence of
> His existence:
>
> https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-christ/incarnation/jesus-did-not-exist/

There is absolutely no contemporary evidence of Jesus's existence, none.
The gospels were written in the latter part of the first century and
not by people who were "eye witnesses" to Jesus as your shite website
claims.

As we know Evolution is a fact we know that Jesus's parents as described
in the Bible could never have existed and it follows that neither did Jesus.

[snip]

/Flibble

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 5, 2017, 2:02:18 PM3/5/17
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People believe evolution is a fact. It does not align with observational
science or genetic research. The Biblical account of "kinds" being made,
diversifying out to the forms we see today does align with both:

Science Confirms the Bible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFYswvGoaPU

The Wonder of DNA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ACCIu3jPrc

One Race One Blood:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbODW6XO8zY

Mr Flibble

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Mar 5, 2017, 3:46:48 PM3/5/17
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On 05/03/2017 19:01, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> People believe evolution is a fact. It does not align with observational
> science or genetic research. The Biblical account of "kinds" being made,
> diversifying out to the forms we see today does align with both:

More false assertions.

Evolution is fact regardless of whether or not people believe it is
fact: the evidence is there proving that evolution happens. There is a
theory of evolution that attempts to explain the fact of evolution but
the theory is quite separate from the fact.

/Flibble



Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 5, 2017, 5:10:58 PM3/5/17
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It is the ministry Paul faced in reaching the Gentiles (non-Jews). They
do not have the foundation to simply be persuaded. The enemy has
spent their entire lives teaching them false things which now they hold
on to as though they are truths. Any efforts of outreach face that inertia,
and are severely hampered by its effect on intelligent people.

https://image.slidesharecdn.com/judepart8-091029052835-phpapp02/95/jude-part-8-33-728.jpg?cb=1256794141

Mr Flibble

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Mar 5, 2017, 7:03:46 PM3/5/17
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On 05/03/2017 22:10, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> It is the ministry Paul faced in reaching the Gentiles (non-Jews). They
> do not have the foundation to simply be persuaded. The enemy has
> spent their entire lives teaching them false things which now they hold
> on to as though they are truths. Any efforts of outreach face that inertia,
> and are severely hampered by its effect on intelligent people.

The enemy (Christian preachers) have spent their entire lives preaching
false things which now they hold on to as though they are truths. Any
efforts of outreach face that inertia, and are severely hampered by its
effect on stupid, obtuse, fucktarded people who have invested so much
time and energy in falsehoods.

> https://image.slidesharecdn.com/judepart8-091029052835-phpapp02/95/jude-part-8-33-728.jpg?cb=1256794141

No Hell detected.

/Flibble

Real Troll

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Mar 5, 2017, 8:06:57 PM3/5/17
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On 05/03/2017 04:27, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> If
> you are sincere in your search, He will do this for you, because He
> loves you and He will honor your request.

So it is not automatic!! I knew there is a catch somewhere.

Did you go to the church today? Did you meet any nice and not very nice
people? Did you tell them to start programming in C, C++ and C# to make
them employable? Trump is going to stop all forms of migration so IT
talent would be in demand. Programmers would be in demand like Cobol
programmers were in demand when somebody managed to fool the world that
millennium bug is coming!!


Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 5, 2017, 8:58:49 PM3/5/17
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Many people professing to know Jesus Christ have done things that
are not Christ-like. This demonstrates to all that they were not doing
the Lord's work, but are misguided by the enemy.

It is good to identify the false and heinous things false "Christians"
do, because God does not call us to be like them, or to teach those
false things, but rather to teach and lead rightly. It's why I point you
to Jesus Christ Himself, asking you to say a prayer to Him first to
then guide you to the place HE has for you in this world.

We do not answer to priests or pastors, but to Him directly. But He
still appoints priests snd pastors to be overseers, calling them to also
and always conduct themselves properly as a servant of the Lord,
and they too are subject to our calling them out and rebuking them
on wrong actions or teachings.

The Lord calls us to Him. We are saved by Him alone, and we are to
serve Him alone.

Juha Nieminen

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Mar 6, 2017, 3:43:03 AM3/6/17
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Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Go to church.

The irony is that sabbath is on saturday, not sunday. It was changed
by the Roman church in order to separate themselves from the jews.

Even according to your own religion you are distorting the commands
of your own god. Hypocrite.

Daniel

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Mar 6, 2017, 4:06:33 AM3/6/17
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On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 3:43:03 AM UTC-5, Juha Nieminen wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Go to church.
>
> The irony is that sabbath is on saturday, not sunday. It was changed
> by the Roman church in order to separate themselves from the jews.
>
Right. And Easter was a pagan festival, not a Christian one, there is no
celebration of Easter in the New Testament. It was a practical matter for the
Roman church to appropriate the pagan Spring festival, the northern bunny
goddess, the sweet bun offerings to the idols, etc.

Daniel

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 6, 2017, 6:51:53 AM3/6/17
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The New Testament church is not like the Jews and the Old Testament
church. It's not about religion or rote. We don't have rigid festivals to
celebrate or adhere to. It's not an outside-in list of rules and regulations
to be followed. It is an inside-out change, a new birth into the spirit:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/3.htm
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto
thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom
of God.
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be
born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom
of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born
of the Spirit is spirit.

A Christian is changed when they come to faith in Jesus Christ. The very
moment they ask Him to take away their sin, a real transaction takes
place, and the person is set free from their sin. This then means they
no longer have sin, and are no longer under any punishment from sin,
nor any condemnation by it. They are fully restored to their full
form, alive again spiritually, able to discern the things of God (He is
spirit, and His words are spirit and they are truth, but the natural-
only man cannot receive them because they are spirit. He is blind to
them because he has no faculties to discern them).

Our new spirit nature, the "born again" nature, asserts itself in a true
Christian's life, such that the inside-out welling-up spirit teaching and
inner guidance now moves us in this world. We cannot know where all
and what influences we will have, but He does. We simply live for Him
daily, hourly, minute-by-minute from that point forward, serving Him not
by ritual or custom, but as a pattern of a changed life.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound
thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth:
so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

It is the natural way for a born again Christian to move because we
then possess, by Jesus taking our sin away, the spirit nature.

Christians are to live for God daily, in all things. Not by religious rules or
rote. Most Christians assemble on the first day of the week, as a
remembrance of Jesus' resurrection day:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/20.htm
1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when
it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away
from the sepulchre...
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to
my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto
my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

We are later taught in Paul's writings that any day is acceptable, and
there are many Christians who assemble on Saturday, Sunday, Tuesday,
Wednesday, and every other day. It is written:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/14.htm
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth
every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

It is tradition that most churches assemble on certain days, not of
necessity on those particular days. It just works out better for
people for planning, scheduling, etc.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he
that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He
that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he
that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

Our lives are continuously given to the Lord, because He is our blessed
Redeemer, our Hope solidified, our dreams instantiated, and our full and
bright guiding light in this dark world. We give Him our all-in-all.

8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die,
we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might
be Lord both of the dead and living.

Jesus also gave us similar guidance for communion:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/11-25.htm
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped,
saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye,
as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

-----
Christianity is a higher calling than religion. It begins with a new birth,
and translates into a new life. The old passes away, the new is come:

http://www.biblehub.com/kjv/2_corinthians/5-17.htm
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old
things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

leigh.v....@googlemail.com

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You can dress it up any way you like but that does not change the fact that Christianity is a religion and no better than any other religion.

/Leigh

Daniel

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On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 1:44:03 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>
> There is absolutely no contemporary evidence of Jesus's existence, none.

There is evidence, see for example

http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/jesus-historical-jesus/did-jesus-exist/

Just not a lot of evidence, leaving the door open for skeptics,

http://www.exminister.org/Freke-Jesus-mysteries.html

> The gospels were written in the latter part of the first century and
> not by people who were "eye witnesses" to Jesus

That's true of the gospels. Paul, on the other hand, was a contemporary of
Jesus, although it's understood that Paul never met Jesus. Historians believe
that of the 27 documents in the New Testament that are attributed to Paul,
seven are genuine and from Paul's own hand, see

http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/people-in-the-bible/the-quest-for-the-historical-paul/

>
> As we know Evolution is a fact

Well, the pope has no problem with evolution, the Catholic church has had no
problem with evolution since at least 1950, the same can be said of the more
intellectually grounded protestant churches,

> we know that Jesus's parents as described
> in the Bible could never have existed

Curiously, Matthew and Luke build two entirely different genealogies of the
lineage from David through Jesus, with no names in common. But it had been
prophesied that the Messiah would be descended from David, and historicizing
prophecy, that is, writing as history things that had been prophesied in
earlier texts, was a common technique of biblical writers.

> and it follows that neither did Jesus.
>
Umm ... no.

Daniel

Rick C. Hodgin

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Christianity is not a religion in the traditional sense. It is a relationship,
a close personal relationship with Jesus Christ. His Holy Spirit dwells
within us, and He supernaturally guides us to "appointments" with
others where we will pray for people, teach, guide, advise, listen, learn,
act and do, help and team up to help, etc.

It's more than our lives moving by our will and impetus. He reaches in
and moves us as the John 3:8 reference teaches:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/3-8.htm
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound
thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth:
so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

He is that wind guiding us through our lives as born again servants of God.

There is one mention of religion in the New Testament:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/james/1-27.htm
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this,
To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to
keep himself unspotted from the world.

For our "religion," we are to help and guide the needy and unfortunate,
and to keep ourselves holy.

Daniel

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Mar 6, 2017, 7:45:43 AM3/6/17
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Just so :-)

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 6, 2017, 8:16:07 AM3/6/17
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To believe in evolution is to place death before sin. The Bible is
very clear that death entered in because of sin, and not before. It
is nothing less than a total denial of God, to the death of Jesus
Christ on the cross, His burial and resurrection, to believe in
evolution.

In addition, the nuances and complexities of information contained
within DNA is proving that evolution could not possibly exist. The
information contained within DNA is of such a complex ordered
structure it demands creation, in the same way a page with printed
text could only be concluded to have been arranged in that way on
purpose, even though the paper and ink are chemicals and can combine
through chemical processes, it's the specific arrangement and the
conveyance of information which makes them purposefully crafted.

The same is true with DNA, and that's something we're only truly
beginning to discover in this century, and even more so in this
decade.

Daniel

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Mar 6, 2017, 9:10:07 AM3/6/17
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On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 8:58:49 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Many people ... are misguided by the enemy.
>
I think by "enemy" you mean Knowledge :-) That's probably why, as suggested by your earlier posts, you don't read books by historical scholars about the history of religion, the books would only frighten you. But I think you should and I would encourage you to do so. Critical biblical scholarship was begun by Christian scholars as an application of the scientific approach into the humanities. Surprisingly (to me anyway) there are even fundamentalist Christian historians doing respected work in religious history. I can recommend "From Gods to God" by Avigdor Shinan and Yair Zakovitch, Old Testament Parallels by Victor H Matthews and Don C. Benjamin, "The Origins of Biblical Monotheism" and "The Early History of God" by Mark S Smith and "Stories from Ancient Canaan" by Michael D Cogan and Mark S Smith.

Be well,
Daniel


Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 6, 2017, 9:26:30 AM3/6/17
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On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 9:10:07 AM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:
> On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 8:58:49 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Many people ... are misguided by the enemy.
>
> I think by "enemy" you mean Knowledge

What does the Bible teach about knowledge?

http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_corinthians/8.htm

1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we
all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth
nothing yet as he ought to know.
3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

Another translation to make more clear the use of older English:

1 Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that "We all possess
knowledge." But knowledge puffs up while love builds up.
2 Those who think they know something do not yet know as they
ought to know.
3 But whoever loves God is known by God

And to be clear, the Bible teaches us who our enemy is:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_peter/5-8.htm

8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a
roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

The devil is our enemy. He is constantly examining us, poking us,
prodding us, investigating us, determining what it is we will believe
in which leads us away from God, and then reinforces that belief,
giving us more of the same so we will be led away by our own desires.

But for all who seek the truth, and do not follow after lusts for
lust's sake, but who will pursue the truth for the truth's sake, the
same are known to God. God then reaches in to their inmost core man
and flips invisible switches enabling them to come to Jesus Christ,
to know He is truth, to believe in Him, and to then be saved.

The rest who remain focused upon their lusts, turning away from God,
and turning toward their personal flavor of sin, the same remain in
judgment and condemnation from their sin, and will never come to be
saved.

-----
Seek your knowledge from the Bible, for such knowledge does not puff
up, but it humbles one's own soul, bringing low the heights of the
individual, forcing true acknowledgement within us as to our failings
and shortcomings before a holy God. And such knowledge then leads us
to repentance, and to come to Jesus and ask forgiveness for our sin.

It's been well said:

Either:

(1) Sin will keep you away from the Bible, or
(2) the Bible will keep you away from sin.

If you care about your eternal soul ... this is important knowledge
for you to gain, and an important application of that knowledge which
needs to take place in your life.

Daniel

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On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 9:26:30 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> Seek your knowledge from the Bible, for such knowledge does not puff
> up, but it humbles one's own soul ... And such knowledge then leads us
> to repentance ...
>
I don't think that qualifies as knowledge in the scientific meaning of the
term :-) No application of the scientific approach there.

Be well,
Daniel

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 6, 2017, 9:52:43 AM3/6/17
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You are quite correct, but it is the way to eternal life. So, using
your reasoning powers, Daniel, what does that tell you about the power
of man's approach to knowledge using the scientific method, when that
approach has no ability to save one's soul, or to even lead people to
the right path which leads them to the One who can save them from
eternal damnation?

This message of salvation is for everybody to hear, but it is not for
everybody to receive. The ONLY people who will receive this message
of salvation are those who are being saved. The rest will perish.

It is sad, but it is the way of things (because people will not receive
Jesus, they themselves maintain the barriers which keep them from
salvation as He has already done everything necessary to save us, now
requiring only that we come to Him, repent, and ask forgiveness of our
sin and no matter what we've done, how bad it was, He will forgive us
and receive us into His eternal Kingdom. He could not have made it
any easier and still given us a free will choice.)

Joseph Hesse

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Mar 6, 2017, 11:21:18 AM3/6/17
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This is a C++ newsgroup. I find it disgusting that there are replies to
this totally inappropriate post.
Joe

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 6, 2017, 11:44:42 AM3/6/17
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On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 11:21:18 AM UTC-5, Joseph Hesse wrote:
> This is a C++ newsgroup. I find it disgusting that there are replies to
> this totally inappropriate post.

You should read the posts for content, Joseph. There may be something
you're currently missing that is important to you.

Daniel

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Mar 6, 2017, 1:08:13 PM3/6/17
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On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 11:21:18 AM UTC-5, Joseph Hesse wrote:

> I find it disgusting that there are replies to this totally inappropriate
> post.

There are replies, and then there are replies :-) In any case, it should be
easy to bring a post about beliefs back on topic, belief in a C++ creator vs
the scientific view that streams rule out intelligent C++ design, and so on.

Daniel

Mr Flibble

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Mar 6, 2017, 1:14:06 PM3/6/17
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On 06/03/2017 12:38, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Christianity is not a religion in the traditional sense.

You would say that wouldn't you because in your world view Christianity
is true and all other religions are false but it is nevertheless
bullshit: Christianity *is* a religion and it is no better than any
other religion.

/Flibble

Mr Flibble

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Mar 6, 2017, 1:14:36 PM3/6/17
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It is a fact.

/Flibble


Mr Flibble

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Mar 6, 2017, 1:18:22 PM3/6/17
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On 06/03/2017 12:31, Daniel wrote:
> On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 1:44:03 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>
>> There is absolutely no contemporary evidence of Jesus's existence, none.
>
> There is evidence, see for example

False. There is absolutely no contemporary evidence, none.

> http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/jesus-historical-jesus/did-jesus-exist/

Not going to read your random unscientific theologistic website.

[snip]
>
>>
>> As we know Evolution is a fact
>
> Well, the pope has no problem with evolution, the Catholic church has had no
> problem with evolution since at least 1950, the same can be said of the more
> intellectually grounded protestant churches,

If evolution is true then there was no Adam and Eve which means no
Original Sin, a cornerstone of Christianity and Catholicism.

/Flibble

Mr Flibble

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On 06/03/2017 12:31, Daniel wrote:
> On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 1:44:03 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>
>> There is absolutely no contemporary evidence of Jesus's existence, none.
>
> There is evidence, see for example
>
> http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/jesus-historical-jesus/did-jesus-exist/

Oh and by the way Josephus and Tacitus are not CONTEMPORARY sources so
are no better quality than the Gospels; CONTEMPORARY means alive at the
same time as and therefore contemporary to Jesus's supposed
lifetime/existence.

So, try again.

/Flibble

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 1:18:22 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 06/03/2017 12:31, Daniel wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 1:44:03 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> >> There is absolutely no contemporary evidence of Jesus's existence, none.
> > There is evidence, see for example
> False. There is absolutely no contemporary evidence, none.
> > [website provided]
> Not going to read your random unscientific theologistic website.
>
> >> As we know Evolution is a fact
> If evolution is true then there was no Adam and Eve which means no
> Original Sin, a cornerstone of Christianity and Catholicism.

Evolution is not true, Leigh. It's been taught as fact for so long
people believe it to be fact. But it is not.

There will come a time when the Lord stops reaching out to you when
you repeatedly refuse to hear His call. And that will be it for
your soul.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/1.htm
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge,
God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which
are not convenient;

When God stops calling out to you, there will be no more inner moral
guidance. It will be your own sin overtaking every area of your
life unrestrained. Such a person is not only the walking dead in
their unrepentant sin, Leigh, but they are the only ones remaining
without hope.

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness,
covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit,
malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors
of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural
affection, implacable, unmerciful:

This last verse of Romans 1 is where you are headed today, Leigh.

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such
things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have
pleasure in them that do them.

Gareth Owen

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Mar 6, 2017, 1:57:15 PM3/6/17
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It's definitely one fact, and it might well be two facts.
But its a terrible syllogism.

Gareth Owen

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Mar 6, 2017, 1:59:04 PM3/6/17
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There are no CONTEMPORARY sources for dinosaurs either. Contemporary
sources are great, but non-contemporary sources do have some value.

Mr Flibble

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On 06/03/2017 18:26, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 1:18:22 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 06/03/2017 12:31, Daniel wrote:
>>> On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 1:44:03 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>>>> There is absolutely no contemporary evidence of Jesus's existence, none.
>>> There is evidence, see for example
>> False. There is absolutely no contemporary evidence, none.
>>> [website provided]
>> Not going to read your random unscientific theologistic website.
>>
>>>> As we know Evolution is a fact
>> If evolution is true then there was no Adam and Eve which means no
>> Original Sin, a cornerstone of Christianity and Catholicism.
>
> Evolution is not true, Leigh. It's been taught as fact for so long
> people believe it to be fact. But it is not.

Evolution is fact: it happens which means no Original Sin which means
your religion is garbage.

/Flibble

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 2:16:35 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> Evolution is fact: it happens...

There is adaptation within a species, but this is only allowing various
traits which already existed to come forward and be dominant. It is
not the new information the theory of evolution says must happen, such
as a lower thing evolving into a higher thing. That has never been
observed, and it cannot happen with what we now know about DNA and the
information systems at work within DNA (thanks to computers).

> which means no Original Sin which means your religion is garbage.

Your base premise, the one you keep insisting on as though it were
fact, is not true, Leigh. Therefore, your entire conclusion that's
based upon it crumbles.

If you want to know how things really work, watch this video:

Science Confirms the Bible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFYswvGoaPU

If you want to remain in ignorance and wrong thinking, maintain the
walls you have up against the truth and remain where you are. But I
warn you, such a stolid stance against the truth will lead you to
only one place: Hell.

Mr Flibble

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On 06/03/2017 20:39, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 2:16:35 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> Evolution is fact: it happens...
>
> There is adaptation within a species, but this is only allowing various
> traits which already existed to come forward and be dominant. It is
> not the new information the theory of evolution says must happen, such
> as a lower thing evolving into a higher thing. That has never been
> observed, and it cannot happen with what we now know about DNA and the
> information systems at work within DNA (thanks to computers).

The evidence shows/proves otherwise so in a word: bullshit.

>
>> which means no Original Sin which means your religion is garbage.
>
> Your base premise, the one you keep insisting on as though it were
> fact, is not true, Leigh. Therefore, your entire conclusion that's
> based upon it crumbles.

That paragraph is almost correct: I simply need to change my name with
your name thus:

Your base premise, the one you keep insisting on as though it were fact,
is not true, Rick. Therefore, your entire conclusion that's based upon
it crumbles.


> If you want to know how things really work, watch this video:
>
> Science Confirms the Bible
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFYswvGoaPU

You honestly think I would watch such a video? The problem with
Christian anti-science videos is that they tend to not even have comedic
value.

>
> If you want to remain in ignorance and wrong thinking, maintain the
> walls you have up against the truth and remain where you are. But I
> warn you, such a stolid stance against the truth will lead you to
> only one place: Hell.

Hell doesn't exist dear: when you die conciousness ceases, that's it.

/Leigh

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 6:09:56 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 06/03/2017 20:39, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > If you want to know how things really work, watch this video:
> >
> > Science Confirms the Bible
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFYswvGoaPU
>
> You honestly think I would watch such a video?

It will teach you the truth, Leigh. Is your position/belief in
evolution so weak that you it can't even stand up to alternate
evidence? Watch the first five minutes.

This explanation describes what we see in observational science.
It aligns perfectly with Biblical teaching, and does not rely upon
"Over millions of years," and supposition statements like, "It must
have been that the earliest lifeforms..." and all of the other
guesswork which exists in evolution theory.

If you press in, Leigh, and examine the details (which these videos
by Answers in Genesis do), you will find they do not hold up to
rigorous scrutiny, and that they are standing only upon assumption
and guesswork. It is their belief that evolution is real, but it
is only a belief, and one not supported by the evidence.

The Wonder of DNA, Dr. Georgia Purdom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ACCIu3jPrc

One Race One Blood, Ken Ham
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbODW6XO8zY&t=3m53s

> > If you want to remain in ignorance and wrong thinking, maintain the
> > walls you have up against the truth and remain where you are. But I
> > warn you, such a stolid stance against the truth will lead you to
> > only one place: Hell.
>
> Hell doesn't exist dear: when you die conciousness ceases, that's it.

The Bible teaches that after we die, we go to sleep until the final day.
At that point we are awoken, summoned by name to appear before God. We
will either meet Him as our God, or as our Judge. We will either receive
rewards for our service to Him on this Earth, or we will give an account
of our life, self-condemning ourselves by our sinful actions. We will
then enter into Heaven, or we will be taken hold of, dragged to the edge
of the precipice, and cast into the eternal lake of fire from which there
will never be any return.

Heaven and Hell exist, Leigh. Which one you go to depends upon what you
did with Jesus Christ, because Jesus is the only one who can take away
your sin.

Mr Flibble

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On 06/03/2017 23:40, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 6:09:56 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> On 06/03/2017 20:39, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> If you want to know how things really work, watch this video:
>>>
>>> Science Confirms the Bible
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFYswvGoaPU
>>
>> You honestly think I would watch such a video?
>
> It will teach you the truth, Leigh. Is your position/belief in
> evolution so weak that you it can't even stand up to alternate
> evidence? Watch the first five minutes.

Quite the contrary: my knowledge of evolution being a fact allows me to
disregard your bullshit Christian video which attempts to dismiss that
fact without even watching 1 minute of it.

[snipped bullshit: tl;dr]

/Flibble

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 6:45:00 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 06/03/2017 23:40, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 6:09:56 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> >> On 06/03/2017 20:39, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >>> If you want to know how things really work, watch this video:
> >>>
> >>> Science Confirms the Bible
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFYswvGoaPU
> >>
> >> You honestly think I would watch such a video?
> >
> > It will teach you the truth, Leigh. Is your position/belief in
> > evolution so weak that you it can't even stand up to alternate
> > evidence? Watch the first five minutes.
>
> Quite the contrary: my knowledge of evolution being a fact allows me to
> disregard your .. Christian video which attempts to dismiss that
> fact without even watching 1 minute of it.

The first five minutes point out the logical fallacies in believing in
evolution. And the entire video demonstrates where modern science has
gone astray in teaching people things that are unprovable, unknowable,
and do not align with what we observe in the laboratory, in nature, or
in advanced genetic research.

The truth remains before you, Leigh. It's unknown to you presently,
but it knocks. It's hard to ignore the rap, rap, rap, because it's
getting louder as more and more scientific evidence in the field of
genetics is published. Even atheist scientists are concluding that
there is clearly a design at work (though they ascribe it to aliens
seeding the planet, or other such manner of "creation" and not to
God).

Mr Flibble

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I have had enough of this. Like most of your ilk you obtusely and
completely disregard whatever people say to you: you just want to
continue with your fucktarded proselytizing that nobody here is remotely
interested in. Welcome to my kill file (again).

*plonk*

/Flibble

Rick C. Hodgin

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On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 7:51:38 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> [snip]

Is vulgarity all you possess, Leigh? Is that the world you want to
live in? Is that all that you think you are? If so, that is all you
will ever be. But I am here to tell you that you are capable of so
much more. And that God has plans for you which extend beyond this
world, beyond our lives here, and into all of eternity.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/jeremiah/29-11.htm
11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the
LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an
expected end.

Juha Nieminen

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Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The New Testament church is not like the Jews and the Old Testament
> church. It's not about religion or rote. We don't have rigid festivals to
> celebrate or adhere to. It's not an outside-in list of rules and regulations
> to be followed.

Yeah, who cares about that musty old book and its commandments. It's not like
it's the word of some kind of god. All those commandments are optional. Follow
them or ignore them if you wish.

You are nothing but a hypocrite. You don't even follow your own holy book.
You don't even obey the very commandments that you claim come from your god.
And then you proselytize other people, when you don't even follow it yourself.
You are the very definition of hypocrite.

Christian Gollwitzer

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Am 05.03.17 um 19:43 schrieb Mr Flibble:
> As we know Evolution is a fact we know that Jesus's parents as described
> in the Bible could never have existed and it follows that neither did
> Jesus.

Why do you keep posting this non-sequitur? Your logic is completely flawed.

There is massive evidence for evolution, there is a bit of evidence for
a person called Jesus, there is lots of evidence for the existence of
Christian groups during the first century, there is no evidence that he
actually resurrected from the death or that he is divine. Evolution does
not disprove the existence of Jesus. These are two completely
unconnected things. We know of some erroroneous claims of Einstein, does
this invalidate general relativity?

Christian

leigh.v....@googlemail.com

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It isn't a non sequitur at all; if you try using your brain and thinking about it you will see that the logic is fine.

/Leigh

Rick C. Hodgin

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Juha Nieminen wrote:
> Yeah, who cares about that musty old book and its commandments.
> It's not like it's the word of some kind of god. All those commandments
> are optional. Follow them or ignore them if you wish.

Compare your statement to that which Jesus taught:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/28.htm
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given
unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in
the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have
commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end
of the world. Amen.

See the contrast?

You are right that we do have a choice. The warning is that our choice
comes with real consequences.

> You are nothing but a hypocrite. You don't even follow your
> own holy book. You don't even obey the very commandments that
> you claim come from your god. And then you proselytize other
>people, when you don't even follow it yourself. You are the very
>definition of hypocrite

How so?

My teaching is that all of us are sinners (myself included), and that we
all need Jesus Christ to forgive our sin otherwise we will perish in Hell
under sin's judgment.

Bo Persson

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Mar 7, 2017, 5:45:14 AM3/7/17
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On 2017-03-07 00:09, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 06/03/2017 20:39, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> If you want to know how things really work, watch this video:
>>
>> Science Confirms the Bible
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFYswvGoaPU
>
> You honestly think I would watch such a video? The problem with
> Christian anti-science videos is that they tend to not even have comedic
> value.
>

This video actually HAS some comedic value. At least in the first 5
minutes I watched.

It claims that you cannot trust historical documents, because they might
not be true. Except for the bible, of course, where everything is true.

Based on that fact, Rick might be correct. :-)


Bo Persson


David Brown

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Mar 7, 2017, 6:50:51 AM3/7/17
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On 07/03/17 08:22, Juha Nieminen wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The New Testament church is not like the Jews and the Old Testament
>> church. It's not about religion or rote. We don't have rigid festivals to
>> celebrate or adhere to. It's not an outside-in list of rules and regulations
>> to be followed.
>
> Yeah, who cares about that musty old book and its commandments. It's not like
> it's the word of some kind of god. All those commandments are optional. Follow
> them or ignore them if you wish.
>

Certainly the commandments in the Bible (of which there are vastly more
than 10) are optional for Christians - they can pick and choose which
ones they deem important. It's fine to eat ham-and-cheese sandwiches,
but homosexuality is still to be condemned. You can not only disrespect
your father and mother, you are actually supposed to hate them. You are
not supposed to kill, unless of course you have a good excuse.

I'd rather they were a bit more honest, like the CotFSM (whose 8 "I'd
really rather you didn't" apply to all religions - the CotFSM is not
against religion, it is against doing stupid or evil things in the name
of religion).

<http://flyingspaghettimonster.wikia.com/wiki/The_Eight_I%27d_Really_Rather_You_Didn%27ts>

Richard

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[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]

Another troll feeder added to my KILL file.

Please everyone stop feeding these damned trolls! You are only giving
them what they want. Ignore them and they will go away because it's
like screaming into an empty room.
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Gareth Owen

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leigh.v....@googlemail.com writes:

> It isn't a non sequitur at all; if you try using your brain and
> thinking about it you will see that the logic is fine.

It's not. But we know that you and formal logic have a tenuous
relationship at the best of times, so its fine. Compared to Rick's
blathering, you're practically Bertrand Russell.

Mr Flibble

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Mar 7, 2017, 2:54:44 PM3/7/17
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Wrong. My logic is sound; try using your brain to work it out.

/Flibble


Gareth Owen

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Mar 7, 2017, 3:04:33 PM3/7/17
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Yeah. Sure. OK.

Mr Flibble

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We have been over this. Pray tell at what point in the genealogy of
Jesus Christ to Adam and Eve (Mary's line or Joseph's line, dealers
choice) does the genealogy transition from factual to fictional? What
evidence do you have for this transition? The truth is the entire
genealogy is suspect. The Bibles (OT and NT) that are supposedly divine
are demonstrably erroneous.

So what part of my logic is suspect exactly?

/Flibble


Gareth Owen

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Mar 7, 2017, 3:50:22 PM3/7/17
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Mr Flibble <flibbleREM...@i42.co.uk> writes:

> On 07/03/2017 20:04, Gareth Owen wrote:
>> Mr Flibble <flibbleREM...@i42.co.uk> writes:
>>
>>> On 07/03/2017 19:06, Gareth Owen wrote:
>>>> leigh.v....@googlemail.com writes:
>>>>
>>>>> It isn't a non sequitur at all; if you try using your brain and
>>>>> thinking about it you will see that the logic is fine.
>>>>
>>>> It's not. But we know that you and formal logic have a tenuous
>>>> relationship at the best of times, so its fine. Compared to Rick's
>>>> blathering, you're practically Bertrand Russell.
>>>
>>> Wrong. My logic is sound; try using your brain to work it out.
>>
>> Yeah. Sure. OK.
>
> We have been over this. Pray tell at what point in the genealogy of
> Jesus Christ to Adam and Eve

The historical existence of a religious figure called Jesus Christ, who
may or may not have had some disciples and been nailed to a cross, and
who claimed to be the Jewish Messiah, is not contigent on the truth
existence of Adam & Eve, the truth of his claimed heritage or whether or
not his mother was a virgin.

David Icke claimed to be the Son Of God also. That doesn't been he
doesn't exist, just that he's delusional.

Mr Flibble

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Mar 7, 2017, 4:04:52 PM3/7/17
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On 07/03/2017 20:50, Gareth Owen wrote:
> Mr Flibble <flibbleREM...@i42.co.uk> writes:
>
>> On 07/03/2017 20:04, Gareth Owen wrote:
>>> Mr Flibble <flibbleREM...@i42.co.uk> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 07/03/2017 19:06, Gareth Owen wrote:
>>>>> leigh.v....@googlemail.com writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It isn't a non sequitur at all; if you try using your brain and
>>>>>> thinking about it you will see that the logic is fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not. But we know that you and formal logic have a tenuous
>>>>> relationship at the best of times, so its fine. Compared to Rick's
>>>>> blathering, you're practically Bertrand Russell.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong. My logic is sound; try using your brain to work it out.
>>>
>>> Yeah. Sure. OK.
>>
>> We have been over this. Pray tell at what point in the genealogy of
>> Jesus Christ to Adam and Eve
>
> The historical existence of a religious figure called Jesus Christ, who
> may or may not have had some disciples and been nailed to a cross, and
> who claimed to be the Jewish Messiah, is not contigent on the truth
> existence of Adam & Eve, the truth of his claimed heritage or whether or
> not his mother was a virgin.

That FACTS are such that the BIBLICAL Jesus Christ (i.e. the Jesus
Christ as described in the Bible) cannot exist because Adam and Eve
cannot exist. Some other "historical" guy (your "religious figure")
which the fictional Jesus Christ may or may not have been partially
based on IS NOT THE SAME INDIVIDUAL. Evolution falsifies Jesus Christ
OF THE BIBLE and the ENTIRE Bible itself both OT and NT; this is undeniable.

>
> David Icke claimed to be the Son Of God also. That doesn't been he
> doesn't exist, just that he's delusional.

Plenty of delusional people around...

/Flibble


Chris M. Thomasson

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Mar 7, 2017, 4:41:22 PM3/7/17
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On 3/4/2017 8:27 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> The Creator of the universe calls you to be with Him where He is in
> the paradise of Heaven. He wants to forgive your sin and give you
> eternal life in a body like the angels, young, beautiful, strong,
> and without weakness or failing.
>
> Jesus is the way to forgiveness, and His free gift of eternal life.
>
> Go to church. Ask the Christians there to explain this to you in
> a way you can understand. Before you go, say a prayer asking God
> to guide you rightly, to the right church, to the right people. If
> you are sincere in your search, He will do this for you, because He
> loves you and He will honor your request.
>
> Thank you,
> Rick C. Hodgin
>

Hey Rick, I am wondering if you can compile and run this:

http://pastebin.com/raw/hXQfrCSN

Heck, its real C++!

Christian Gollwitzer

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Mar 7, 2017, 5:06:17 PM3/7/17
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Am 07.03.17 um 22:04 schrieb Mr Flibble:
> That FACTS are such that the BIBLICAL Jesus Christ (i.e. the Jesus
> Christ as described in the Bible) cannot exist because Adam and Eve
> cannot exist. Some other "historical" guy (your "religious figure")
> which the fictional Jesus Christ may or may not have been partially
> based on IS NOT THE SAME INDIVIDUAL.

C++ compilers don't exist. There are some other programs (g++, clang++,
vc++) which are partially based on the ISO standard for C++, but none
of them are perfect implementations, therefore they support only
dialects of C++ and are not the same as a C++ compiler.

Christian

Real Troll

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Mar 7, 2017, 5:09:20 PM3/7/17
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I suggest try something like this:

using System;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using System.Linq;
using System.Web;
using System.Data.Entity;

namespace MvcMovie.Models
{
public class Movie
{
public int ID { get; set; }
public string Title { get; set; }
public DateTime ReleaseDate { get; set; }
public string Genre { get; set; }
public decimal Price { get; set; }
}

public class MovieDBContext : DbContext
{
public DbSet<Movie> Movies { get; set; }
}
}

This should allow you to create a database "on the fly" . You can also
annotate the data with some validation tags so that stringlength, date
format or currency range can be checked at clients level as well as
server level. This is to stop hackers disabling javascript in their
browsers to corrupt the database.

Hope this gives you something to think about before next week.

Gareth Owen

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Mar 7, 2017, 5:30:49 PM3/7/17
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Mr Flibble <flibbleREM...@i42.co.uk> writes:

> Some other "historical" guy (your "religious figure") which the
> fictional Jesus Christ may or may not have been partially based on IS
> NOT THE SAME INDIVIDUAL.

I guess we're in "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter" territory here.

Abraham Lincoln - definite historical figure, almost certainly not a
vampire hunter. Jesus Christ - possible historical figure, almost
certainly not the water-fermenting, money-lender-table-tossing
steely-eyed dealer of leper-cures we sometimes hear about at Christmas.

Mr Flibble

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Mar 7, 2017, 5:32:21 PM3/7/17
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False analogy. Back to school mate.

/Flibble

Daniel

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Mar 7, 2017, 11:59:29 PM3/7/17
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On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 3:33:50 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>
> We have been over this. Pray tell at what point in the genealogy of
> Jesus Christ to Adam and Eve (Mary's line or Joseph's line, dealers
> choice) does the genealogy transition from factual to fictional? What
> evidence do you have for this transition? The truth is the entire
> genealogy is suspect. The Bibles (OT and NT) that are supposedly divine
> are demonstrably erroneous.
>
You have to keep in mind what the authors of Luke and Matthew were trying to
do. It had been prophesied that the Jewish Messiah would be a descendant of
David, they therefore felt it was necessary to imagine that lineage for
Jesus. Since they did so independently, they came up with different names.

That doesn't tell you anything about whether Jesus was an actual historical
figure, though.

Daniel

leigh.v....@googlemail.com

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Mar 8, 2017, 3:23:50 AM3/8/17
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Bullshit.

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 8, 2017, 8:00:48 AM3/8/17
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On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 4:41:22 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> Hey Rick, I am wondering if you can compile and run this:
> http://pastebin.com/raw/hXQfrCSN

What is it?

Rick C. Hodgin

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Mar 8, 2017, 8:19:04 AM3/8/17
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Knowledge of Jesus Christ doesn't come from the flesh. You won't be
able to reason your way into His Kingdom because it's not a flesh-
based thing. God is spirit, and those who come to Him will do so
from a different source than flesh-based reasoning. It's why the
gateway is through an inner drive/desire to seek the truth. It's not
even something we can find on our own (because it's spirit, and we do
not possess faculties to discern spiritual things). God has to reach
into our core and make changes to our inner being so that we are then
enabled to discern spiritual things. Only when that happens can a
person come to faith, and only then are they able to see His Kingdom,
place significance and priority on His Kingdom ahead of the things in
this world, and so on.

If you want to come to Jesus Christ, you have to set your sights on
the truth. You may not even know what you'll find, what it will be
like, how you will feel when you get there, etc. That's expected.
It is the truth-pursuit that God is seeking in each of us, and for
all of those who seek the truth with full-on vehemence, to those He
opens up our ability to receive it, and be saved.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/6-44.htm
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me
draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/6-63.htm
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are
life.

http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/3.htm
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be
born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom
of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born
of the Spirit is spirit.

You must be born again, and that's not something you can reason your
way into as by the flesh. Only when God makes that change within you
can you then see it. And all you have to do is seek the truth.

Some things to consider:

(1) Do you have sin? (Ever told a lie, stolen something, used
God's name as a cuss word, lusted after someone who was not
your spouse)
(2) When a person goes before a righteous judge, will the good
deeds of that person in their life outweigh their crime, such
as they won't be convicted of the murder because they've been
a good citizen, helping people, being kind, loving, generous?
(3) God is truth, and His court is perfect. When we stand before
Him, can we expect Him to honor the Laws of His Kingdom? Or
will He be as a corrupt judge taking bribes to allow the
guilty to pass through into His Holy Righteous Kingdom?
(4) We are taught in scripture (Romans 3:23, Romans 6:23) that
all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. We are
taught that "the wages of sin is death," meaning when you sin
you receive your wages for that activity: death, and the
death the Bible speaks of is not our physical death, but it
is the death of our soul in Hell forever, because all people
will die physically in their body, but that is just a door to
what comes after, it is not the end.
(5) Because of sin there was no way out for mankind. We were lost
forever. But God was not prepared to lose all of us, because
even here in this wretched hate-filled warring fallen world,
there are some people who will seek the truth, and do desire
love and compassion, who do want to help people without trying
to take advantage of them. So God sent His Son to make a way
out, a way out of now way because we could not save ourselves.
(6) If you are a sinner, then you need a savior. For this cause
Jesus entered the world ... to bring the lost into salvation,
to bring the guilty into a right standing with God. But, He
will only do this for those who seek the truth, and desire
from their inner core to be a part of that Kingdom, knowing
that their sin is wretched and filthy and evil and harmful,
and only for those desiring to then also cease their sin, and
follow after Him in this world in pursuit of truth, love, and
all manner of right and uplifting/helping things.
(7) We can do none of this on our own. We can only head in that
direction. God then reaches in and does the rest for us,
which is what makes the transformation possible. I, Rick,
cannot save myself. I can't make myself desire to be holy
and then do it. Only Christ living in me makes it possible,
because all Rick's flesh wants to do is pursue its lusts.

(8) It takes the spirit to overcome the flesh, and that is what
Jesus brings to us when He takes our sin away. We are born
again spiritually, which augments our existence so we are
then both flesh and spirit. But as we press in and pursue
the spirit with effort and discipline, we are able to in all
ways overcome the flesh and its lusts, its draws and pulls
on us in this world.

Jesus brings life to the lifeless. Hope to the hopeless. He makes
all things new, and sets our course once again on eternity, rather
than on the shiny trinkets of this dying world.

Chris M. Thomasson

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On 3/8/2017 5:00 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 4:41:22 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> Hey Rick, I am wondering if you can compile and run this:
>> http://pastebin.com/raw/hXQfrCSN
>
> What is it?

A distributed, bounded, multi-producer/consumer concurrent queue. It can
be used in different ways, but wrt the sample code, it is used as an
event queue for two threads, a producer and a consumer.

For now, the test only focuses on two threads. Fwiw, the spin waits on
boundary conditions can be removed by fast-pathed eventcounts. What are
eventcounts? Well, they are akin to condition variables for non-blocking
algorithms. Here is the original one I did some years ago:

https://groups.google.com/d/topic/comp.programming.threads/qoxirQbbs4A/discussion

http://www.1024cores.net/home/lock-free-algorithms/links
search the page text for SenderX... ;^)

Fwiw, this test focuses on using the multi-producer/consumer queue for
single-producer/consumer in spin mode. Well, wrt single
producer/consumer, we can get rid of the XADD's!

There will be more to come.
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