How do you pronounce "char"?
Ralph Silverman
Jim_...@transarc.com wrote:
: "Brian W. Smith" <bws...@bme.unc.REMOVEedu> writes:
: > (If this is a FAQ, please show mercy...:) )
: >
: > What is the correct pronunciation of "char"? Some of my professors say
: > "care" as in "carrot", but I have always said "charr" as in
: > "char-broiled steaks". Is there any consensus?
: >
: I don't think there's consensus. I always pronounce it car (with a
: short a sound, as in carrot), since it's short for character. However,
: I've heard it pronounced char also.
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absolutely, i know the answer to this !!!
first of all,
let's forget about California
unix and 'c'
...
this stuff originates in
new jersey
!!
i don't care about Oregon pronunciation
and the like; it is not canonical !!!
the west cost is irrelevant here !
frankly, the 'big city' pronunciation
here most relevant might be
Philadelphia ...
how would that sound ??
like 'car', as in the kind you drive
;
but
^^^
with an ever so slight touch of the
h
.
**************end r.s. response************************
Ralph Silverman
z007...@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us
Da Borg
Michael Tippach wrote:
> Ralph Silverman wrote:
> [... irrelevant shit ...]
> O.K. this is friday evening and I had some beer.
Yet, the fact of abusing drinking substances doesn't
give you any rights to flame others without substantial
reasons. Unlike many others, his article was on-topic
for most of groups it was crossposted. Why don't you
jump on others who posts real crap to the newsgroup(s)?
> So I have no problem typing it in:
>
> You're a fucking spamming idiot. Go visit the doctors!
No, that's you who needs to see a doctor. Silverman's
style is weird indeed but it's not spam.
> Ahh, and: get a life and, maybe, a job!
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Michael Tippach
Ralph Silverman wrote:
[... irrelevant shit ...]
O.K. this is friday evening and I had some beer.
So I have no problem typing it in:
You're a fucking spamming idiot. Go visit the doctors!
Ahh, and: get a life and, maybe, a job!
Wuschel
Paul Mesken
>Michael Tippach wrote:
>> Ralph Silverman wrote:
>> [... irrelevant shit ...]
>> O.K. this is friday evening and I had some beer.
>
>give you any rights to flame others without substantial
>reasons. Unlike many others, his article was on-topic
>for most of groups it was crossposted. Why don't you
>jump on others who posts real crap to the newsgroup(s)?
>
Yes, Silverman's article was on topic for most groups.
HOWEVER: did you notice the article Silverman responded to was only
directed to comp.lang.c?
Silverman seems to add comp.lang.asm.x86 on a regular (if not
consistent basis) to his responses (and comp.lang.c++ and
comp.os.msdos.programmer). Tippach is from comp.lang.asm.x86 and is
fed up with the cross posts originating from comp.lang.c (most
articles at comp.lang.asm.x86 come from comp.lang.c).
IOW Ralph Silverman is a troll and Tippach is right
(It's saturday morning and I'm having a hangover ;-> )
"All that has transpired has done so according to my design."
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usu...@euronet.nl Paul Mesken aka Technocrate
not.fo...@not.for.spam
On 4 Apr 1997 14:35:13 GMT, z007...@bcfreenet.seflin.org (Ralph Silverman)
wrote:
> like 'car', as in the kind you drive
> ;
> but
> ^^^
> with an ever so slight touch of the
> h
That's fine. Everyone can pronounce it however
they want to. I don't even char.
i82...@ix.netcom.com
I've always called it 'care' because it lookes like CHARacter,
and it holds a character. :)
take care,
Michael Tippach
Did you note where I set the followup from my previous
post? It's there again.
Da Borg wrote:
> No, that's you who needs to see a doctor. Silverman's
> style is weird indeed but it's not spam.
Before you respond in this way, consider the FACTS:
1.) I have no problems with other people's writing style,
who am I to judge?
2.) I *do* have problems with someone crossposting virtually
anything from c.l.c. into c.l.a.x and even c.o.m.p
( I fail to see the direct relevance of the subject
to DOS programming, I mean is it more relevant as
the pronouncation of "dog" ? ) I have even more
problems with someone doing it intentionally.
3.) So the article maybe "relevant" to one half of the
groups it is posted into. You said "most of the groups".
which remainds me of a professor telling his students:
"How often I ever may have told you that two halfes are
equal in size, the bigger half of you still didn't get it!"
or so...
4.) Use != abuse. I wasn't drunk ( I never do that ), it made
just the difference from deleting the arcticle ( as I
usually do after a review ) and sending it. My thrash bin
is full of never posted responses to Silvermann.
> /*********proceed with V.P response***************/
It doesn't assemble and is therefore considered irrelevant.
Regards
Wuschel
Lawrence Kirby
It is hopeless to try to agree on how to pronounce "char" if people don't
even agree on how to prounounce "character" (OK, it is hopeless anyway).
You appear to pronounce it "care-acter" but that is not universal. Over here
the a is pronounced short as in "cat" (assuming we pronounce cat the same
way!).
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John Warren
On Sat, 5 Apr 1997, Lawrence Kirby wrote:
> In article <334641...@ix.netcom.com> i82...@ix.netcom.com writes:
>
> >not.fo...@not.for.spam wrote:
> >>
> >> On 4 Apr 1997 14:35:13 GMT, z007...@bcfreenet.seflin.org (Ralph Silverman)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > like 'car', as in the kind you drive
> >> > ;
> >> > but
> >> > ^^^
> >> > with an ever so slight touch of the
> >> > h
> >>
> >> That's fine. Everyone can pronounce it however
> >> they want to. I don't even char.
> >
> >I've always called it 'care' because it lookes like CHARacter,
> >and it holds a character. :)
>
> It is hopeless to try to agree on how to pronounce "char" if people don't
> even agree on how to prounounce "character" (OK, it is hopeless anyway).
> You appear to pronounce it "care-acter" but that is not universal. Over here
> the a is pronounced short as in "cat" (assuming we pronounce cat the same
> way!).
Personally, I pronounce it 'char' - nearly like chair without the i sound.
Charles Dye
In his usual elegant style, z007...@bcfreenet.seflin.org (Ralph Silverman)
posits:
>: "Brian W. Smith" <bws...@bme.unc.REMOVEedu> writes:
>: > (If this is a FAQ, please show mercy...:) )
>: >
>: > What is the correct pronunciation of "char"? Some of my professors say
>: > "care" as in "carrot", but I have always said "charr" as in
>: > "char-broiled steaks". Is there any consensus?
>**************begin r.s. response**********************
> absolutely, i know the answer to this !!!
> first of all,
> let's forget about California
> unix and 'c'
> ...
> this stuff originates in
> new jersey
> !!
> i don't care about Oregon pronunciation
> and the like; it is not canonical !!!
> the west cost is irrelevant here !
> frankly, the 'big city' pronunciation
> here most relevant might be
> Philadelphia ...
> how would that sound ??
> like 'car', as in the kind you drive
> ;
> but
> ^^^
> with an ever so slight touch of the
> h
> .
>**************end r.s. response************************
The Jargon File / Hacker's dictionary lists all three:
"car," "care," and "char." Oddly enough, it also
includes an entry on "New Jersey" .... but I'm sure
you already knew that!
Mister Llama
I always pronounce it "dee-bee" as in:
letter db "A"
;)
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Charles Dye (ras...@highfiber.com) wrote:
: The Jargon File / Hacker's dictionary lists all three:
: "car," "care," and "char." Oddly enough, it also
"car" would be confusing for the legions of lisp programmers
out there...
S.P.
Joseph M. O'Leary
Charles Dye <ras...@highfiber.com> wrote in article
<5i6plv$r...@underdark.highfiber.com>...
> >: "Brian W. Smith" <bws...@bme.unc.REMOVEedu> writes:
> >: > (If this is a FAQ, please show mercy...:) )
> >: >
> >: > What is the correct pronunciation of "char"? Some of my professors
say
> >: > "care" as in "carrot", but I have always said "charr" as in
> >: > "char-broiled steaks". Is there any consensus?
>
> The Jargon File / Hacker's dictionary lists all three:
> "car," "care," and "char." Oddly enough, it also
> includes an entry on "New Jersey" .... but I'm sure
> you already knew that!
Actually all of these are incorrect. The correct pronunciation if "char"
is
"OhMyGoshMyGollyHubbaHubbaGygax"
Happy to help.
Joe O'
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Dale Pennington
Joseph M. O'Leary <jmol...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
<01bc42cf$107ad480$0100007f@caffeine>...
[snip of various proposals]
> Actually all of these are incorrect. The correct pronunciation if "char"
> is
>
> "OhMyGoshMyGollyHubbaHubbaGygax"
>
> Happy to help.
>
> Joe O'
>
What do we have here ? An AD&D worshiper ?? (Ego Gygax strikes again)
CMIS 415-4011 Student 17
can anybody out there help me with developing an alogrithm
to do what the 'who' command already does...
i need to do this in the 'C' language...all help
is appreciated...if you know where it is, could you
point me there...
Lan ...
Joseph M. O'Leary
Dale Pennington <dpen...@ingr.com> wrote in article
<01bc4363$985baf20$87d9...@DKPENNIN.b15.ingr.com>...
17 years later and I still remember this dumb quote.
Joe O' (recovering nerd)
p.s. just curious to see if any other recovering nerds would respond.
Mark K. Kim
> >: > (If this is a FAQ, please show mercy...:) )
> >: >
> >: > What is the correct pronunciation of "char"? Some of my professors
say
> >: > "care" as in "carrot", but I have always said "charr" as in
> >: > "char-broiled steaks". Is there any consensus?
I personally used to pronounce it "char" (yes, as in "char-broiled
steaks"), but then I was involved in a C++ textbook project a while ago
with an author and it explicitely wrote in the book that "char" should be
pronounced "care" since it's part of the word "character" (he lives in
Texas and I live in California but I guess we both pronounce "character"
like "care-acter" even though we are from two different states). But then
again, my C professor from last quarter here at UC Davis pronounces it
"char" (as in "char-broiled...") and my assembly programming professor
pronounces it "car". And don't even ask how my Pascal teacher from two
quarters ago pronounced it -- he had some odd accent so he pronounced it
"caeh". (Anyone care to take a while guess what country he's from?)
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Mark K. Kim
CMIS 415-4011 Student 17 <cm41...@nova.umuc.edu> wrote in article
<Pine.GSO.3.96.970407182931.15376A-100000@nova>...
I had no idea MS-DOS also had a "who" command...
David Mikesell
>I personally used to pronounce it "char" (yes, as in "char-broiled
>steaks"), but then I was involved in a C++ textbook project a while ago
>with an author and it explicitely wrote in the book that "char" should be
>pronounced "care" since it's part of the word "character"
I'm glad he agrees with me :-), but I wonder who made him the
authority. It *should* be pronounced however anyone wants to pronounce
it...
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R.B. Young
In article <01bc43ea$a2ea3ec0$Loca...@ez074155.ucdavis.edu>,
"Mark K. Kim" <mark...@aol.com> wrote:
%CMIS 415-4011 Student 17 <cm41...@nova.umuc.edu> wrote in article
%<Pine.GSO.3.96.970407182931.15376A-100000@nova>...
%> can anybody out there help me with developing an alogrithm
%> to do what the 'who' command already does...
%> i need to do this in the 'C' language...all help
%> is appreciated...if you know where it is, could you
%> point me there...
%
%I had no idea MS-DOS also had a "who" command...
%
I had no idea that you had to spam several groups to get an answer to a stupid
question about how to write an algorithm that must be implemented in C. DOS
doesn't have a who command or a what command or a how, when of which. Mine does
have grep, sed and ls commands though.
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R.B. Young
In article <5i33j1$p...@nntp.seflin.org>,
z007...@bcfreenet.seflin.org (Ralph Silverman) wrote:
%Jim_...@transarc.com wrote:
%: "Brian W. Smith" <bws...@bme.unc.REMOVEedu> writes:
%: > (If this is a FAQ, please show mercy...:) )
%: >
%: > What is the correct pronunciation of "char"? Some of my professors say
%: > "care" as in "carrot", but I have always said "charr" as in
%: > "char-broiled steaks". Is there any consensus?
%: > ...
I always found it was a good idea to side with the views of my professors, at
the least temporarily. they all said "care".
^^^
Kaz Kylheku
In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.970407182931.15376A-100000@nova>,
CMIS 415-4011 Student 17 <cm41...@nova.umuc.edu> wrote:
>
>
>can anybody out there help me with developing an alogrithm
I researched that obscure algorithm years ago. It appeared in a very ancient
volume of the Journal of the ACM. It goes like this:
algorithm who;
begin
obtain list of logged in users from operating system
for each member of the list
print user's name, origin and login time
end
end
The usual caveats apply. I'm typing this from memory so I can't vouch for
its correctness.
Kaz Kylheku
In article <5iehhp$8...@sun001.spd.dsccc.com>,
Mike McCarty <jmcc...@sun1307.spd.dsccc.com> wrote:
>In article <Pine.PMDF.3.91.97040...@clem.mscd.edu>,
>John Warren <warr...@clem.mscd.edu> wrote:
>
>I pronounce it like the word char. The verb. ch as in church, ar as in
>far.
That's probably the best thing to do. After all, it's not really a character
type anyway. It's a small integral type.
Mike McCarty
I pronounce it like the word char. The verb. ch as in church, ar as in
far.
Mike
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On 8 Apr 1997 22:40:57 GMT, jmcc...@sun1307.spd.dsccc.com (Mike McCarty)
wrote in comp.lang.c:
=> In article <Pine.PMDF.3.91.97040...@clem.mscd.edu>,
=> John Warren <warr...@clem.mscd.edu> wrote:
=> I pronounce it like the word char. The verb. ch as in church, ar as in
=> far.
I like 'kah' simply because 'car' (short a as in apple) sounded stupid even
though it is the first sound of 'character'.
[Note: I'm from (near) Boston, Massachusetts where 'park' is pronounced
'pahk' :-) ]
But it's still a byte.
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Mark K. Kim (mark...@aol.com) wrote:
:
: I personally used to pronounce it "char" (yes, as in "char-broiled
: steaks"), but then I was involved in a C++ textbook project a while ago
: with an author and it explicitely wrote in the book that "char" should be
: pronounced "care" since it's part of the word "character"
It's also part of "charm"...
: pronounces it "car". And don't even ask how my Pascal teacher from two
: quarters ago pronounced it -- he had some odd accent so he pronounced it
: "caeh". (Anyone care to take a while guess what country he's from?)
SE Asia?
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David Ray
>
> I pronounce it like the word char. The verb. ch as in church, ar as in
>
> Mike
> --
How do you get that? It is obviously char (as in CARE). Char (as in
charbroiling) makes no sense.
David
John Winters
In article <5i33j1$p...@nntp.seflin.org>,
Ralph Silverman <z007...@bcfreenet.seflin.org> wrote:
[pearls of wisdom snipped]
Who is this fool who keeps adding in irrelevant newgroups to threads.
Don't the inhabitants of comp.os.msdos.programmer and comp.lang.asm.x86
get fed up with him?
Follow-ups set.
John
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Tim Behrendsen
David Ray <dr...@cei.net> wrote in article <01bc44db$4c2067d0$4276b4cc@david>...
> >
> > I pronounce it like the word char. The verb. ch as in church, ar as in
> > far.
> >
> > Mike
>
> charbroiling) makes no sense.
It makes perfect sense (that's how I pronounce it). Pretend that
it isn't an abbreviation and say it.
Ch - ar
It's obvious to any moron that this is the superior pronounciation.
[ :-) for the humor-challenged ]
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Sue Spence
[flush]
I pronounce it "who-gives-a-crap"
Oddly enough I pronounce "kludge" the same way.
Patrick Wray
Yep, I agree. Pronounced "car", an abbreviation of "character"
On 9 Apr 1997, David Ray wrote:
> >
> > I pronounce it like the word char. The verb. ch as in church, ar as in
> > far.
> >
> > Mike
> > --
>
>
> How do you get that? It is obviously char (as in CARE). Char (as in
> charbroiling) makes no sense.
>
> David
>
>
Kaz Kylheku
In article <01bc4522$0dcd6360$87ee...@timpent.a-sis.com>,
Tim Behrendsen <t...@a-sis.com> wrote:
>It makes perfect sense (that's how I pronounce it). Pretend that
>it isn't an abbreviation and say it.
>
>Ch - ar
>
>It's obvious to any moron that this is the superior pronounciation.
I pronounce it @#$%. Since this can't really be spoken, each time I wish
to prounounce char, I hold up a sign exhibiting the characters @#$%.
For example, sizeof(char) would be read as:
``sizeof'', ``open parenthesis'', <hold up sign>, ``closed parenthesis''.
Nexx de Larochet
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: David Ray <dr...@cei.net> wrote in article <01bc44db$4c2067d0$4276b4cc@david>...
: > >
: > > I pronounce it like the word char. The verb. ch as in church, ar as in
: > > far.
: > >
: > > Mike
: >
: > How do you get that? It is obviously char (as in CARE). Char (as in
: > charbroiling) makes no sense.
:
: It makes perfect sense (that's how I pronounce it). Pretend that
: it isn't an abbreviation and say it.
:
: Ch - ar
:
: It's obvious to any moron that this is the superior pronounciation.
:
: [ :-) for the humor-challenged ]
it's spelled char, and not kaer, so why not pronounce it char (soft ch)?
btw -- it's superiour, humour, etc, you uncultured ppl (;
Nexx (by Ghod, I'm participating in this inanity!)
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Ronald In 't Velt
Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>
> In article <01bc4522$0dcd6360$87ee...@timpent.a-sis.com>,
> Tim Behrendsen <t...@a-sis.com> wrote:
>
> >It makes perfect sense (that's how I pronounce it). Pretend that
> >it isn't an abbreviation and say it.
> >
> >Ch - ar
> >
> >It's obvious to any moron that this is the superior pronounciation.
>
> I pronounce it @#$%. Since this can't really be spoken, each time I wish
> to prounounce char, I hold up a sign exhibiting the characters @#$%.
>
> For example, sizeof(char) would be read as:
>
> ``sizeof'', ``open parenthesis'', <hold up sign>, ``closed parenthesis''.
But someone taking dictation from you will not type char, but @#$%. You
will need to have a statement typedef char @#$%;
To avoid this sort of thing, and fights over the pronunciation in
general, our company has decided to ban the use of the char type in any
c/c++ program. This is set down in our programming guidelines and
enforced until the ANSI committee will accept our proposal to change
char into tfkac (Type Formerly Known As Char).
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In article <5ij3ov$2...@bcrkh13.bnr.ca>,
Kaz Kylheku <k...@vision.crest.nt.com> wrote:
>to prounounce char, I hold up a sign exhibiting the characters @#$%.
>
>For example, sizeof(char) would be read as:
> ``sizeof'', ``open parenthesis'', <hold up sign>, ``closed parenthesis''.
That's funny because I always pronounce sizeof(char) as "wun."
Eric
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[snip (a lot)]
pronounce "char" as 'kar' on a speech recognition system and you have to
do a search&replace("car","char"); or an typedef similar.
BTW: how do you pronounce 'mov'?
;-c
Jurgen
Miguel Quintero
On 9 Apr 1997 11:44:43 GMT, "David Ray" <dr...@cei.net> wrote:
>>
>> I pronounce it like the word char. The verb. ch as in church, ar as in
>> far.
>>
>> Mike
>> --
>
>
>How do you get that? It is obviously char (as in CARE). Char (as in
>charbroiling) makes no sense.
>
>David
For 99.9% if people who native language 'char' will be pronounced using 'ch' as in church and 'ar' as in car.
Very simple, David.
I have NEVER met anyone(professors,students,co-workers...) who say char as in CARE.
Miguel
Miguel Quintero
On Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:24:37 +0200, Ronald In 't Velt <aaint...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>
>> In article <01bc4522$0dcd6360$87ee...@timpent.a-sis.com>,
>> Tim Behrendsen <t...@a-sis.com> wrote:
>>
>> >It makes perfect sense (that's how I pronounce it). Pretend that
>> >it isn't an abbreviation and say it.
>> >
>> >Ch - ar
>> >
>> >It's obvious to any moron that this is the superior pronounciation.
>>
>> I pronounce it @#$%. Since this can't really be spoken, each time I wish
>> to prounounce char, I hold up a sign exhibiting the characters @#$%.
>>
>> For example, sizeof(char) would be read as:
>>
>> ``sizeof'', ``open parenthesis'', <hold up sign>, ``closed parenthesis''.
>
>But someone taking dictation from you will not type char, but @#$%. You
>will need to have a statement typedef char @#$%;
>
>To avoid this sort of thing, and fights over the pronunciation in
>general, our company has decided to ban the use of the char type in any
>c/c++ program. This is set down in our programming guidelines and
>enforced until the ANSI committee will accept our proposal to change
>char into tfkac (Type Formerly Known As Char).
>
and then people will start saying TIFKAC or something, and this whole argument of pronounciation becomes recursive and
stupid.
>
>
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Nathaniel Anderson
Mark K. Kim (mark...@aol.com) wrote:
: CMIS 415-4011 Student 17 <cm41...@nova.umuc.edu> wrote in article
: <Pine.GSO.3.96.970407182931.15376A-100000@nova>...
: > can anybody out there help me with developing an alogrithm
: > to do what the 'who' command already does...
:
: I had no idea MS-DOS also had a "who" command...
:
If you are working in the UN*X environment (which I assume you are), try looking
at the man pages for utmp.h and getutent. All users that are currently logged
in are stored in the file /etc/utmp (at least on SYSV an BSD systems), and the
libraries provide functions for reading it.
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Alex Greenbank
Ronald In 't Velt (aaint...@xs4all.nl) wrote:
<snip>
: To avoid this sort of thing, and fights over the pronunciation in
: general, our company has decided to ban the use of the char type in any
: c/c++ program. This is set down in our programming guidelines and
: enforced until the ANSI committee will accept our proposal to change
: char into tfkac (Type Formerly Known As Char).
Aha, but won't you change that to some funny squiggle in the not too near
future? Then we'll have the wars on how to pronounce:-
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/ \
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====
and you'll have to get the new copy of the include file <char.h>
Included file: /usr/include/char.h
---CUT HERE
typedef char tfkac;
typedef tfkac ~^H?^H&;
typedef ~^H?^H& tfka~^H?^H&;
---CUT HERE
Call it what you want. Call it char (as in chargrilled), call it car, call it
care (if you want some strange looks), call it tfkac. It doesn't really
matter.
BTW, I pronounce tfkac as tee-fa-cack. How do you do yours?
-Alex (u4...@dcs.shef.ac.uk)
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Kevin Swan
Miguel Quintero (Miguel.A...@rexam.com) wrote:
: >> I pronounce it like the word char. The verb. ch as in church, ar as in
: >> far.
Why? Do you pronounce the whole word like "CHAR-ak-tur"? With the same
sound?
: >How do you get that? It is obviously char (as in CARE). Char (as in
: >charbroiling) makes no sense.
I agree. "Character" is pronounced "care", "ak", "tur". So if you're
going to abbreviate it, you'd just get the "care" at the front.
: For 99.9% if people who native language 'char' will be pronounced
^^^^^^^^^^^^
: using 'ch' as in church and 'ar' as in car.
Is there a word missing in there or something? What is that supposed to
mean? Am I a 0.1%? That pronounciation doesn't make sense, as it is
nothing like the full word.
: Very simple, David.
: I have NEVER met anyone(professors,students,co-workers...) who say
: char as in CARE.
Heh... sheltered life. :)
Kev.
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Just to fill you all in, char is short for character. So, pronouncing is
CARE would be correct, but I pronounce is ch (as in church) and ar (as in
bar).
Chris
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Miguel Quintero (Miguel.A...@rexam.com) wrote:
: I have NEVER met anyone(professors,students,co-workers...) who say char
: as in CARE.
I pronounce it 'care', since it refers to a character variable, and how do
you pronounce character? 'Care-acter', of course.
I think the whole 'chuh-ar' pronunciation must have come from people who
didn't understand what it was referring to...
Besides, using all those hard consonant sounds makes it sound ugly.
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I pronounce it like char as in the fish of that ilk. Pronouncing it like
care would sound very strange on the Eastern side of the Atlantic. We Brits
have a problem with this one in that the first syllable is actually quite
hard to enunciate on its own - it's very unnatural. I think that to suggest
that we on this side of the ocean don't appreciate the origin of the name
for this data type is an insult.
Mark Carter <mca...@freenet.npiec.on.ca> wrote in article
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Andrew Lynch
Alex Greenbank wrote:
[...]
> Call it what you want. Call it char (as in chargrilled), call it car, call it
> care (if you want some strange looks), call it tfkac. It doesn't really
> matter.
>
> BTW, I pronounce tfkac as tee-fa-cack. How do you do yours?
I would keep the tf together and pronounce it like "tough", so tfkac
becomes "tough kack" which is almost what I might say to people
who don't like the way I pronounce tfkac's original name...
Andrew.
Lawrence Kirby
>Miguel Quintero (Miguel.A...@rexam.com) wrote:
>
>: >> I pronounce it like the word char. The verb. ch as in church, ar as in
>: >> far.
>
>Why? Do you pronounce the whole word like "CHAR-ak-tur"? With the same
>sound?
The mistake here is in assuming that the abbreviated form need to be
pronounced similarly to the whole word. I'm curious, how do you
pronounce "enum", how do you pronounce "enumeration"?
As far as C is concerned "enum" and "char" are words in their own right,
there's no reason for their pronuncialtion has to be strictly tied to an
English word.
>: >How do you get that? It is obviously char (as in CARE). Char (as in
>: >charbroiling) makes no sense.
>
>I agree. "Character" is pronounced "care", "ak", "tur". So if you're
>going to abbreviate it, you'd just get the "care" at the front.
Anybody from over here saying it like that would very obviously be parodying
an American drawl. The a is pronounced short here as in "cat". According to
my dictionary the phonetic representation is a combined ae character (but
there's really no e in the sound).
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Da Borg
Lawrence Kirby wrote:
[.....]
> The mistake here is in assuming that the abbreviated form need to be
> pronounced similarly to the whole word. I'm curious, how do you
> pronounce "enum", how do you pronounce "enumeration"?
Exactly. That proves that there's nothing wrong with
pronouncing `char' as, say, `charm' without the `m'.
> As far as C is concerned "enum" and "char" are words in their own right,
> there's no reason for their pronuncialtion has to be strictly tied to an
> English word.
On a similar topic: how do you prononce `stdio.h'? So far,
I heard the following variations:
es-tee-dee-i-ow-dot-eitch (`i' as in `pie', `ow' as in `low')
es-tee-dee-oh-dot-eitch (merging `dee' and `i' in one)
standard-i-ow-dot-itch (a professor with a weird accent)
No, I won't say how I do that. :)
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Da Borg <vla_d...@uniserve.com> wrote in article
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> Lawrence Kirby wrote:
> [.....]
> > The mistake here is in assuming that the abbreviated form need to be
> > pronounced similarly to the whole word. I'm curious, how do you
> > pronounce "enum", how do you pronounce "enumeration"?
>
> Exactly. That proves that there's nothing wrong with
> pronouncing `char' as, say, `charm' without the `m'.
There's nothing wrong with pronouncing any word any way, as long as the
meaning is understood. However, I think it sounds dumb to pronounce "char"
differently from "character." :)
I pronounce "enum" as in "enumeration." How do others? "Eh-numb"?
"Uh-numb" That's dumb, too. :)
It would be interesting to hear about words in the "real" language (i.e.
English) that are pronounced differently when abbreviated. I can't think of
any offhand, but that doesn't mean anything.
Bryce Bangerter
Da Borg (vla_d...@uniserve.com) wrote:
: On a similar topic: how do you prononce `stdio.h'? So far,
: I heard the following variations:
:
: es-tee-dee-i-ow-dot-eitch (`i' as in `pie', `ow' as in `low')
: es-tee-dee-oh-dot-eitch (merging `dee' and `i' in one)
: standard-i-ow-dot-itch (a professor with a weird accent)
I don't know that I've ever actually pronounced it this way, but when I
look at it, I think studio.
Bryce Bangerter
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Jos A. Horsmeier
| On a similar topic: how do you prononce `stdio.h'? So far,
| I heard the following variations:
|
| es-tee-dee-i-ow-dot-eitch (`i' as in `pie', `ow' as in `low')
| es-tee-dee-oh-dot-eitch (merging `dee' and `i' in one)
| standard-i-ow-dot-itch (a professor with a weird accent)
|
| No, I won't say how I do that. :)
I don't know how come, but I always (mentally) pronounce 'stdio.h'
as 'all the file stuff'; I group functions declared in those header
files by their basic functionality and that's why I don't like
'stdlib.h'; it's a hodgepodge ...
kind regards,
Jos aka j...@and.nl
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"Mark Wilden" <Ma...@mWilden.com> writes:
[snip]
> It would be interesting to hear about words in the "real" language (i.e.
> English) that are pronounced differently when abbreviated. I can't think of
> any offhand, but that doesn't mean anything.
>
S-tee-ven -> S-teee -v (silent e with effect on the v)
And for the record I pronounce "char" as in Charcoal, enum as in E-num
and stdio.h as "Stud-i-o dot h".
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Da Borg wrote:
>
> Lawrence Kirby wrote:
> [.....]
> > The mistake here is in assuming that the abbreviated form need to be
> > pronounced similarly to the whole word. I'm curious, how do you
> > pronounce "enum", how do you pronounce "enumeration"?
>
> Exactly. That proves that there's nothing wrong with
> pronouncing `char' as, say, `charm' without the `m'.
>
> > there's no reason for their pronuncialtion has to be strictly tied to an
> > English word.
>
> I heard the following variations:
>
> es-tee-dee-i-ow-dot-eitch (`i' as in `pie', `ow' as in `low')
> es-tee-dee-oh-dot-eitch (merging `dee' and `i' in one)
> standard-i-ow-dot-itch (a professor with a weird accent)
>
> No, I won't say how I do that. :)
>
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Steve Jones - JON wrote:
> And for the record I pronounce "char" as in Charcoal, enum as in E-num
> and stdio.h as "Stud-i-o dot h".
I second all three of those pronunciations! :)
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Da Borg
Chris wrote:
[........]
> Also, can I get some opinions on what's the best C/C++
> compiler/development tool, and does Linux come with its own compiler,
> and what others are available for Linux?
Sure it does, it is called GCC. Check http://www.linux.org/
for more details. Tons of other free development tools are
available. Everything is based on functionality and portability
rather than pretty interfaces. Standard Unix makefiles are
used for project management rather than some vendor/OS-specific
projects. GCC is also very flexible: the version that I use has
about 300 options (some of them platform specific).
> What I would really like to have is data on:
>
> which lets create your programs the most quickly?
I haven't really heard of any commercial compilers for
Linux because I really doubt they would be popular
thanks to already existing and free tools. So, the
only way I compare GCC is comparing it against other
CC Unix compilers:
> which compiles the fastest?
GCC is not the fastest. Sun CC is faster. Digital Unix
CC is faster.
> which makes the fastest/smallest/tighest code?
Can't make a fare comparison. Sun and Ultrix are RISC, executables
are bigger, sometimes quite a lot bigger, but run about the same.
Generally, many source files can generate surprisingly
small and tight executables, partially due to everything being
heavily dependant on shared libraries. Sometimes I can see that,
say, -O2, -O3 and -O4 with/without -fomit-frame-pointer and
with/without -fexpensive optimisations generate different
assembly code and binaries. I didn't notice this being as often
the case with other CC compilers (using similar options).
> and
> which one captures your heart?
>
> One other thing:
> I've been programming with M$ C 6.0 (about 7 yrs old) and once in a
> while it does some weird $^%t. Like it made this .exe once that was
> screwy as hell and just made DOS keep generating error messages. I
> recompiled it with no changes to the source code, and then it worked as
> it should. Also once in a while it will say it can't find a library and
> you have to go in and reselect your library options.
I haven't seen GCC do crazy stuff. It is not perfect, as a
recent example posted to this group by K. Kulheku shows, but
nothing's perfect. GCC generates a very good error reporting
and warnings and I don't have a need for any lint-like tools.
Regards,
Vlad
P.S, thanks to one of the posters who recommended to pronounce
`stdio.h' as `stoodio-dot-h', I find it very convenient. :->
Chris
Jos A. Horsmeier wrote:
> | On a similar topic: how do you prononce `stdio.h'? So far,
> | I heard the following variations:
> |
> | es-tee-dee-i-ow-dot-eitch (`i' as in `pie', `ow' as in `low')
> | es-tee-dee-oh-dot-eitch (merging `dee' and `i' in one)
> | standard-i-ow-dot-itch (a professor with a weird accent)
> |
> | No, I won't say how I do that. :)
>
> as 'all the file stuff'; I group functions declared in those header
> files by their basic functionality and that's why I don't like
> 'stdlib.h'; it's a hodgepodge ...
I either usually think of char as "character"; once in a while as
"char-broiled"... just like mom's cooking. But who cares? You can
always say the long version when you're talking to another programmer,
and you'll always be able to convey the idea. But I don't talk out loud
when I'm writing code, so I can't see the problem with it.
Also, can I get some opinions on what's the best C/C++
compiler/development tool, and does Linux come with its own compiler,
and what others are available for Linux?
What I would really like to have is data on:
which lets create your programs the most quickly?
which compiles the fastest?
which makes the fastest/smallest/tighest code?
Darin Johnson
Actually, if you've every had to help people over the phone, you learn
to pronounce things in unambiguous ways. Whereas a fellow experienced
programmer might recognize "studio dot h", most people would not.
Most people also don't understand "bang splat", like to type "\" when
you say "slash", and there is no universally understood way to say "#"
that won't be initially confusing to some ("shift three" isn't it,
especially if you're dealing with non-US keyboards).
So, as far as how to pronounce it? "s-t-d-i-o dot h", and even then,
some people have been known to type "dot"...
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IMO,
It is easiest to just truncate the character and say it like cat
but remove the t and make a r sound at the end.
stdio.h = standard - eye - oh - dot - h
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da...@usa.net.delete_this_part (Darin Johnson) wrote:
>Most people also don't understand "bang splat", like to type "\" when
>you say "slash", and there is no universally understood way to say "#"
>that won't be initially confusing to some ("shift three" isn't it,
>especially if you're dealing with non-US keyboards).
Joe Campbell in his "C Programmer's Guide to Serial Communications"
suggested the "#" be called the "nanogram" which means roughly "nine
squares". Other people have suggested "Octothorpe" and "Gridlet".
My favorite is "Tick-tack-toe sign". Joe goes on to say that "this
name, especially when enhanced by the gesture of overlaying the index
and middle fingers of both hands, has the virtue of clarity, though
its use invariably draws stares in professional circles". (It is
actually a very funny and informative book...)
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Craig Franck wrote:
> >Most people also don't understand "bang splat", like to type "\" when
> >you say "slash", and there is no universally understood way to say "#"
> >that won't be initially confusing to some ("shift three" isn't it,
> >especially if you're dealing with non-US keyboards).
In America, that '#' is usually referred to as a pound sign. For some
reason that key on the telephone is called "pound" and the naming
convention
stuck.
On the other hand, in England, a pound sign is a loopy 'E' that denotes
money. I think this confusion was one of the main causes of the
revolutionary
war.
Raymond E. Cook
Gentle23 <jda...@inw.net> wrote:
>Craig Franck wrote:
>> >Most people also don't understand "bang splat", like to type "\" when
>> >you say "slash", and there is no universally understood way to say "#"
>> >that won't be initially confusing to some ("shift three" isn't it,
>> >especially if you're dealing with non-US keyboards).
>
>In America, that '#' is usually referred to as a pound sign. For some
>reason that key on the telephone is called "pound" and the naming
>convention
>stuck.
A convention supported, no doubt, by the frequent punding of said key
while trying to get the attention of one's damned voice mail.
>
>On the other hand, in England, a pound sign is a loopy 'E' that denotes
>money. I think this confusion was one of the main causes of the
>revolutionary
>war.
Recall Churchill's insightful observation that England and America are
two countries divided by a common language.
Lawrence Kirby
In article <5jdmle$j...@mtinsc05.worldnet.att.net>
clfr...@worldnet.att.net "Craig Franck" writes:
>da...@usa.net.delete_this_part (Darin Johnson) wrote:
>
>>Most people also don't understand "bang splat", like to type "\" when
>>you say "slash", and there is no universally understood way to say "#"
>>that won't be initially confusing to some ("shift three" isn't it,
>>especially if you're dealing with non-US keyboards).
>
>Joe Campbell in his "C Programmer's Guide to Serial Communications"
>suggested the "#" be called the "nanogram" which means roughly "nine
>squares". Other people have suggested "Octothorpe" and "Gridlet".
Why don't people stop bickering and simply call it hash? :-)
It is a common enough name for it, neutral (AFAIK) and most importantly
short. The last thing you want when naming a sequence of characters
is a multi-syllable-mouthful, for example ...
>My favorite is "Tick-tack-toe sign".
Over here that games is called simly "noughts and crosses" so I'm saddened
to say it doesn't travel. ;-)
>Joe goes on to say that "this
>name, especially when enhanced by the gesture of overlaying the index
>and middle fingers of both hands, has the virtue of clarity, though
>its use invariably draws stares in professional circles". (It is
>actually a very funny and informative book...)
Sounds like a gesture to ward off techno-vampires.
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In article <5ii28j$k...@usenet.rpi.edu>, ne...@constellation.stu.rpi.edu
says...
> it's spelled char, and not kaer, so why not pronounce it char (soft ch)?
OK, then how do you pronounce "chaos"? :-) [just being devil's advocate -
I use the soft "ch"].
> btw -- it's superiour, humour, etc, you uncultured ppl (;
No argument from me!
John Winters
In article <335A68...@inw.net>, Gentle23 <jda...@inw.net> wrote:
>Craig Franck wrote:
>> >Most people also don't understand "bang splat", like to type "\" when
>> >you say "slash", and there is no universally understood way to say "#"
>> >that won't be initially confusing to some ("shift three" isn't it,
>> >especially if you're dealing with non-US keyboards).
>
>reason that key on the telephone is called "pound" and the naming
>convention
>stuck.
>
>money. I think this confusion was one of the main causes of the
>revolutionary
>war.
Actually it's a loopy L.
I always call # "hash". Whilst this may not be what everyone calls it,
is there any ambiguity? I.e., is there another character also known
as "hash"?
John
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John Winters <jo...@polo.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
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[]
> I always call # "hash". Whilst this may not be what everyone calls it,
> is there any ambiguity? I.e., is there another character also known
> as "hash"?
The '#' is universally well known as the 'sharp'.
But why doesn't my keyboard have a 'flat'?
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In article <01bc4aae$72664080$2f40...@WP5861.AECL>, Chris Vandergraaf
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>Just to fill you all in, char is short for character. So, pronouncing is
>CARE would be correct, but I pronounce is ch (as in church) and ar (as in
>bar).
>
>Chris
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Bryce Bangerter
Lawrence Kirby (fr...@genesis.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: >: >How do you get that? It is obviously char (as in CARE). Char (as in
: >: >charbroiling) makes no sense.
: >
: >I agree. "Character" is pronounced "care", "ak", "tur". So if you're
: >going to abbreviate it, you'd just get the "care" at the front.
:
: Anybody from over here saying it like that would very obviously be parodying
: an American drawl. The a is pronounced short here as in "cat". According to
Now is that 'cat' the same as the pronounciation of 'flat', or is it more
like 'caught' or 'cot'?
Course I tell the South Africans I know that there is no such thing as a
flat, they are really just flots.
Bryce Bangerter
Ben Hanson
Bryce Bangerter wrote:
<SNIP>
> Now is that 'cat' the same as the pronounciation of 'flat', or is it more
> like 'caught' or 'cot'?
> Course I tell the South Africans I know that there is no such thing as a
> flat, they are really just flots.
>
> Bryce Bangerter
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: Gentle23 <jda...@inw.net> wrote:
: >On the other hand, in England, a pound sign is a loopy 'E' that denotes
: >money.
It's a stylised 'L' as in libre, from the Latin for pound.
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"Peter N Roth" <pete*ro...@erols.com (remove '*' to email me)> wrote:
>
>John Winters <jo...@polo.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
><5jftjb$u...@polo.demon.co.uk>...
>[]
>> I always call # "hash". Whilst this may not be what everyone calls it,
>> is there any ambiguity? I.e., is there another character also known
>> as "hash"?
>
>The '#' is universally well known as the 'sharp'.
>But why doesn't my keyboard have a 'flat'?
>
>;-)
>
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Err, it does. I think you'll find it as a lowercase 'B'
(i.e. Bb = 'B flat', Gb = 'G flat' ad infinitum).......
/Nick
Ralph Silverman
Peter N Roth (pete*ro...@erols.com(remove'*'toemailme)) wrote:
: John Winters <jo...@polo.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
: <5jftjb$u...@polo.demon.co.uk>...
: []
: > I always call # "hash". Whilst this may not be what everyone calls it,
: > is there any ambiguity? I.e., is there another character also known
: > as "hash"?
: The '#' is universally well known as the 'sharp'.
: But why doesn't my keyboard have a 'flat'?
: ;-)
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certainly,
classically,
such generally was called
hash
as indicated ...
pound
also was used ...
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Chris Darnell
Jim Hyslop <jim.h...@leitch.com> wrote in article
<MPG.dc53f001...@news.leitch.com>...
I pronounce it like "car" simply because "char" is the beginning of
"character", which is pronounced with the 'k' sound.
Just my 2 cents...
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Miguel Quintero
On 16 Apr 97 16:24:21 GMT, ke...@kombat.acadiau.ca (Kevin Swan) wrote:
>Miguel Quintero (Miguel.A...@rexam.com) wrote:
>
>: >> I pronounce it like the word char. The verb. ch as in church, ar as in
>: >> far.
>
>Why? Do you pronounce the whole word like "CHAR-ak-tur"? With the same
>sound?
>
>: >How do you get that? It is obviously char (as in CARE). Char (as in
>: >charbroiling) makes no sense.
>
>I agree. "Character" is pronounced "care", "ak", "tur". So if you're
>going to abbreviate it, you'd just get the "care" at the front.
>
>: For 99.9% if people who native language 'char' will be pronounced
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>: using 'ch' as in church and 'ar' as in car.
>
>Is there a word missing in there or something? What is that supposed to
>mean? Am I a 0.1%? That pronounciation doesn't make sense, as it is
>nothing like the full word.
>
>: Very simple, David.
>
>: I have NEVER met anyone(professors,students,co-workers...) who say
>: char as in CARE.
>
>Heh... sheltered life. :)
Sheltered from CAREracters like you. :-6
>
>Kev.
>
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Michael Palmer
Bram Stolk wrote:
> John Winters wrote:
> > I always call # "hash". Whilst this may not be what everyone calls it,
> > is there any ambiguity? I.e., is there another character also known
> > as "hash"?
>
> This translates into 'little fence'.
I've seen this called "octothorpe."
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Bram Stolk
Hello programmer,
John Winters wrote:
>
> I always call # "hash". Whilst this may not be what everyone calls it,
> is there any ambiguity? I.e., is there another character also known
> as "hash"?
In Holland, we call it 'hekje'.
This translates into 'little fence'.
Bram
Walter Banks
> John Winters wrote:
>
> I always call # "hash". Whilst this may not be what everyone
> calls it, is there any ambiguity? I.e., is there another
> character also known as "hash"?
I think its real name is an octothorpe.
w..
Bob Stout
On 22 Apr 1997, Larry Yocum wrote:
> In the U.S. it's called the "pound" sign. I always thought it was
> shorthand for a unit of weight measurement, but I've never actually seen it
> used in that context. I think "hash" would be better, definitely not
> ambiguous.
I always heard it called the "pound sign", the "number sign", or (my
personal favorite) the "octothorpe".
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In the U.S. it's called the "pound" sign. I always thought it was
shorthand for a unit of weight measurement, but I've never actually seen it
used in that context. I think "hash" would be better, definitely not
ambiguous.
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Mikhovitch
I used to call it a 'Bogomip'. What is a Bogomip anyhow? When Linux
loads up on my pootie it says .... blah blah 60.08 Bogomips
It sounded good, so that's what I called it. I know a girl who calls it a
criss-cross as well. What a weirdo. <G> I call it a hash now, i think it
depends on where you come from.
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In article <335D2C...@bytecraft.com>, wal...@bytecraft.com says...
>
>> John Winters wrote:
>>
>> I always call # "hash". Whilst this may not be what everyone
>> calls it, is there any ambiguity? I.e., is there another
>> character also known as "hash"?
>
>I think its real name is an octothorpe.
>
>
You are right and here is a web page devoted to this very subject.
http://www.nynews.com/octohome.htm
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Darin Johnson
In article <01bc4e94$58870020$2106accf@than>, Peter N Roth wrote:
>> I always call # "hash". Whilst this may not be what everyone calls it,
>> is there any ambiguity? I.e., is there another character also known
>> as "hash"?
>
>But why doesn't my keyboard have a 'flat'?
Back to my original point; there may not be ambiguity, but there may
not be understanding either. If you tell someone "press the hash key"
or "push sharp now", there are plenty who will not understand you or
take a period of time before it dawns on them what you mean.
Programmers tend to be better (but then, if you say "press the
appropriate key", the guess right most of the time :-).
Actually, many Americans don't know that "#" means "pound" in the US,
as this usage has almost completely vanished from common use, except for
keyboards.
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Darrell Grainger
On 22 Apr 1997, Larry Yocum wrote:
> In the U.S. it's called the "pound" sign. I always thought it was
> shorthand for a unit of weight measurement, but I've never actually seen it
> used in that context. I think "hash" would be better, definitely not
> ambiguous.
You could use the term octothorp. This is the term my typesetting teacher
used to use.
Craig Franck
da...@usa.net.delete_me (Darin Johnson) wrote:
>Actually, many Americans don't know that "#" means "pound" in the US,
>as this usage has almost completely vanished from common use, except for
>keyboards.
Have a push button telephone handy? If you press "#" it generates
the internationally standardized tones of 941 and 1477Hz. Ask any
operator in the US how to use call forwarding and they will say
"if you have the service activated, you press pound 72 and then
number you want to forward to". They call "*" a "star" as in "hit
star 70 to disable call waiting". You don't do much phreaking do
you? :-)
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Phil Carmody
> > John Winters wrote:
> > I always call # "hash". Whilst this may not be what everyone
> > calls it, is there any ambiguity? I.e., is there another
> > character also known as "hash"?
Walter Banks wrote:
> I think its real name is an octothorpe.
I've seen American literature refer to it as 'pound'.
Perhaps this is due to it being shifted 3, where a (thinks...ALT 156) £
symbol is on a UK typewriter.
I unfortunately have got into the habit of sometimes calling it 'pound',
and I use it to denote pounds sterling (yes, I use a US keyboard
setting).
Phil
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Dik T. Winter
In article <335DD0...@scigen.co.uk> p...@scigen.co.uk writes:
> Walter Banks wrote:
> > I think its real name is an octothorpe.
Not its real name, this has been concocted at Bell Labs if I remember right.
> I've seen American literature refer to it as 'pound'.
> Perhaps this is due to it being shifted 3, where a (thinks...ALT 156) £
> symbol is on a UK typewriter.
Nope, it is because the 'pound' in American literature is 'pound weight'
(or 'force'?). It has been used to denote that, and that usage
predates ASCII by a large margin.
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Ell
Darin Johnson (da...@usa.net.delete_me) wrote:
: Actually, many Americans don't know that "#" means "pound" in the US,
: as this usage has almost completely vanished from common use, except for
: keyboards.
Many voice mail and automated telephone response systems (for banks, job
lines, etc.) ask the user to press the "pound" key at the end of a key
sequence.
Elliott
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Kevin Swan wrote:
>
> Miguel Quintero (Miguel.A...@rexam.com) wrote:
>
> : >> I pronounce it like the word char. The verb. ch as in church, ar as in
> : >> far.
>
> Why? Do you pronounce the whole word like "CHAR-ak-tur"? With the same
> sound?
>
> : >How do you get that? It is obviously char (as in CARE). Char (as in
> : >charbroiling) makes no sense.
>
> I agree. "Character" is pronounced "care", "ak", "tur". So if you're
> going to abbreviate it, you'd just get the "care" at the front.
>
> : For 99.9% if people who native language 'char' will be pronounced
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> : using 'ch' as in church and 'ar' as in car.
>
> Is there a word missing in there or something? What is that supposed to
> mean? Am I a 0.1%? That pronounciation doesn't make sense, as it is
> nothing like the full word.
>
> : Very simple, David.
>
> : I have NEVER met anyone(professors,students,co-workers...) who say
> : char as in CARE.
>
> Heh... sheltered life. :)
>
>
Char as in charcole, or to scorch, is pronounced with a 'ch' like
church. Check your dictionary. Therefore 'char' (the type cast), is
pronounced the same. Besides, does it really matter?
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This little debate was on comp.lang.ada a while back, so for those that
actually wish to know about the early references of # its meanings and
definitions, go to Deja-News and do a search on it.
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James Youngman
In article <335DD0...@scigen.co.uk>, p...@scigen.co.uk says...
>
>> > John Winters wrote:
>> > I always call # "hash". Whilst this may not be what everyone
>> > calls it, is there any ambiguity? I.e., is there another
>> > character also known as "hash"?
>
>> I think its real name is an octothorpe.
>
>Perhaps this is due to it being shifted 3, where a (thinks...ALT 156) £
>symbol is on a UK typewriter.
>and I use it to denote pounds sterling (yes, I use a US keyboard
>setting).
This is an unwarranted assumption on the part of us Brits.
It turns out that Americans sometimes use # as an abbreviation for pounds (as
in weight) and have done since before the dawn of ASCII.
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Bill B.
Michael Palmer wrote:
>
> Bram Stolk wrote:
> > John Winters wrote:
> > > I always call # "hash". Whilst this may not be what everyone calls it,
> > > is there any ambiguity? I.e., is there another character also known
> > > as "hash"?
> >
> > This translates into 'little fence'.
>
>
I've pronounced it as "pound" as the Unix shell statement header
pronounced "pound-bang" for "#!" I've seen/heard others call the
same sequence "hash-bong."
Ciao,
B.
Josh McDonald
> > In the U.S. it's called the "pound" sign. I always thought it was
> > shorthand for a unit of weight measurement, but I've never actually
seen it
> > used in that context. I think "hash" would be better, definitely not
> > ambiguous.
>
> I always heard it called the "pound sign", the "number sign", or (my
> personal favorite) the "octothorpe".
This is because on older PCs, it _was_ literraly (sp?) the sign for a
pound (ie uk currency), as well as the hash, it's real name. For example,
on an apple // machine, you could change how they were displayed. It
was a switch on the //c machine. I think you could do it from basic on
the others with a PR #n statement.
-Josh
Alex Greenbank
Bill B. (becker@*arkres.com) wrote:
From Jargon File:
#
Common: number sign; pound; pound sign; hash; sharp; {crunch};
hex; [mesh]. Rare: grid; crosshatch; octothorpe; flash;
<square>, pig-pen; tictactoe; scratchmark; thud; thump; {splat}.
-Alex (u4...@dcs.shef.ac.uk)
R J Collins
Char is pronounced 'car'. We British are always right. Haven't you yanks
bastardised (note, ised) our language enough?
Cheers,
Roh Collins
Mike McCarty
In article <5jm07n$l4o$1...@news2.digex.net>, Ell <e...@access4.digex.net> wrote:
)Darin Johnson (da...@usa.net.delete_me) wrote:
): Actually, many Americans don't know that "#" means "pound" in the US,
): as this usage has almost completely vanished from common use, except for
): keyboards.
This is true. And I find myself frequently pounding on my keyboard.
)Many voice mail and automated telephone response systems (for banks, job
)lines, etc.) ask the user to press the "pound" key at the end of a key
)sequence.
)
)Elliott
The -name- of the character is octothorpe (greek for eight points). I
usually call it "sharp" from the name of the similar symbol in music.
Mike
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John Johnson <joh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Anyone ? (Seriously)
Well, this one was cross-posted to c.l.a.x86 so:
I always pronounce B.Stroustrup as: "The man who made 'asm' an Ansi
keyword" ;-)
Lawrence Kirby
In article <01bc517f$83be1420$LocalHost@pippin>
rohi...@collins.prestel.co.uk.REMOVE "R J Collins" writes:
>Char is pronounced 'car'.
The Oxford English dictionary doesn't agree with you.
>We British are always right.
Well, nearly! :-)
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