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Do youtube videos not have a rating anymore ?

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Spiros Bousbouras

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Dec 21, 2021, 4:26:21 AM12/21/21
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Usually I access the pages of youtube videos for the purpose of getting
information about the video (as opposed to actually watching the video)
through a script of my own. One of the things it displayed until recently was
the rating of a video. Basically somewhere on the source of the video page
there would be something like

"averageRating":"4.9422383"

as part of a lot of Javascript. But in the last few days I have not be seeing
this. I saw it most recently with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXun3qpzpDk
on 2021-12-12. Now even that video doesn't have it. Looking at this and some
other video pages with a couple of different browsers I don't see any "rating"
(I still see "Likes" and "Dislikes"). So I am hoping that you can do some
tests of your own and report. If you have a youtube account (I don't) try the
page with and without being logged in to see if a rating appears on one
occasion but not the other.

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Andy Burns

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Dec 21, 2021, 4:43:20 AM12/21/21
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Spiros Bousbouras wrote:

> Usually I access the pages of youtube videos for the purpose of getting
> information about the video (as opposed to actually watching the video)
> through a script of my own. One of the things it displayed until recently was
> the rating of a video. Basically somewhere on the source of the video page
> there would be something like
>
> "averageRating":"4.9422383"

They recently disabled "disliking" a video, to prevent hurting people's
feelings, probably the rating had to go for the same reasons?

Marco Moock

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Dec 21, 2021, 4:52:38 AM12/21/21
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Am Dienstag, 21. Dezember 2021, um 09:43:18 Uhr schrieb Andy Burns:

> They recently disabled "disliking" a video, to prevent hurting
> people's feelings, probably the rating had to go for the same reasons?

They just don't want that people can say that they don't like some
videos. Especially government operated channel's videos were massively
disliked by some people, so they channel operator decided to turn the
voting system off. Not YT seems to have disabled the dislike function
at all, so people can't say "I don't like that" anymore.

Andy Burns

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Dec 21, 2021, 5:19:06 AM12/21/21
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Marco Moock wrote:

> YT seems to have disabled the dislike function
> at all, so people can't say "I don't like that" anymore.

You can still click dislike, but it doesn't show the world how many people have
done so.

Marco Moock

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Dec 21, 2021, 5:48:29 AM12/21/21
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Am Dienstag, 21. Dezember 2021, um 10:19:04 Uhr schrieb Andy Burns:

> You can still click dislike, but it doesn't show the world how many
> people have done so.
That is what some channel operator wanted: Others can't see anymore
that I video is being disliked by many people.

Spiros Bousbouras

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Dec 21, 2021, 6:34:53 AM12/21/21
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But the video uploader can , right ?

Marco Moock

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Dec 21, 2021, 6:47:42 AM12/21/21
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Am Dienstag, 21. Dezember 2021, um 11:34:52 Uhr schrieb Spiros
Bousbouras:
As I now know, yes.

Andy Burns

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Dec 21, 2021, 7:04:27 AM12/21/21
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Spiros Bousbouras wrote:

> Marco Moock wrote:
>
>> That is what some channel operator wanted: Others can't see anymore
>> that I video is being disliked by many people.
>
> But the video uploader can , right ?

yes, see EEVblab #89, so the initial argument it stops people feeling hurt that
people dislike their video, is bumph.


Rich

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Dec 21, 2021, 12:01:29 PM12/21/21
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Given the fragile snowflakes that have been raised as the most recent
new generation, where everyone got a "participation trophy" for the
game, but no team "won" or "lost" it coddles the new generation in the
way they have grown accustomed to being coddled.

Dan Espen

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Dec 21, 2021, 12:27:01 PM12/21/21
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Go here:

https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/134791097/update-to-youtube-dislike-counts?hl=en

This explains why you are no longer seeing that data.

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The Real Bev

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Dec 24, 2021, 1:23:02 PM12/24/21
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Snowflake Protection policy. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of
the kitchen.

OTOH, perhaps the Governments (apparently their videos draw a lot of
dislikes) themselves are the snowflakes...

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Marco Moock

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Dec 24, 2021, 1:24:57 PM12/24/21
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Am Freitag, 24. Dezember 2021, um 10:22:58 Uhr schrieb The Real Bev:

> Snowflake Protection policy. If you can't stand the heat, stay out
> of the kitchen.
>
> OTOH, perhaps the Governments (apparently their videos draw a lot of
> dislikes) themselves are the snowflakes...

For, Germany this is true and also applies to semi-governmental TV
stations. Also politicians and parties are affected by a big amount of
dislikes.

Spiros Bousbouras

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Dec 24, 2021, 11:27:50 PM12/24/21
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Does the rating of videos still affect the order in which youtube presents
videos , after a search for example ?

Theo

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Dec 26, 2021, 3:59:41 PM12/26/21
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In comp.misc The Real Bev <bashl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Snowflake Protection policy. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of
> the kitchen.

The opposite: the creator of the video can still see the number of dislikes.
If they were offended by that before, they still will be.

The difference is that an organised dislike campaign doesn't get any
gratification from seeing the dislike count rise, and YT hope this will
reduce the impact of campaigns to remove revenue from creators through using
the dislike feature as a weapon, like an inverse petition.

Theo

Otto J. Makela

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Jan 3, 2022, 5:52:50 AM1/3/22
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Rich <ri...@example.invalid> wrote:

> Given the fragile snowflakes that have been raised as the most recent
> new generation, where everyone got a "participation trophy" for the
> game, but no team "won" or "lost" it coddles the new generation in the
> way they have grown accustomed to being coddled.

The idea of "new participation trophies" is a myth.

https://slate.com/culture/2019/04/participation-trophy-history-world-war-i.html
https://www.insidehook.com/article/news-opinion/participation-trophies-pros-and-cons

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rtr

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Jan 26, 2022, 8:15:07 AM1/26/22
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Which is insane if you think about it. I guess it's their platform but
to me that just speaks: "Hey, since we can't moderate the
like-to-dislike ratio we will just disable it altogether".

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rtr

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Jan 26, 2022, 8:18:55 AM1/26/22
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Hm. I think it's more of not allowing the viewer to see the relative
like-to-dislike ratio of a particular video rather than curtailing any
"dislike campaigns". If they don't want anyone gaming that system they
could have just removed the whole like and dislike system.

But they didn't. They only removed the ability for dislikes to be seen.
So surely they still think that the "likes" matter.
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