How do you Indent?
Marcus Edward Hennecke
Scott Persons <gol...@uslink.net> wrote:
>Darrell A. James wrote:
>> I have one simple question. What is the command to Indent in HTML?
>
>To indent, I use the command <dd>
Oh no, please don't. Of all the possible workarounds this is probably
the worst, right up with using transparent images. This is what
happens on the various browsers:
Netscape Indents first line.
XMosaic No effect.
MacMosaic Indents entire paragraph and everything thereafter. With
each <dd> the indentation gets larger.
Arena Indents entire paragraph.
MacWeb Same as MacMosaic.
Lynx No effect.
If you absolutely must indent and can't wait for vendors to implement
style sheets, use multiple or  .
The best way to do indents would be via style sheets if only more
browsers would support them. A particular style sheet language is
described at
http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/TR/WD-css1.html
Sample pages (with screen dumps, so you don't need a style sheet
supporting browser to see them) can be viewed at:
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~tzoq/HTML3/
http://www.w3.org/hypertext/WWW/Style/css/pres3/Overview.html
The latest developments are at
http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/Style/
Unfortunately, Netscape does not support style sheets. They would be
extremely useful for introducing a large variety of presentation hints
to an HTML document. Please, I urge you to write Netscape and ask them
to implement style sheets. Tell them how they would solve your
problem. If enough people ask, maybe we will see them in a future
version. Just goto Netscape's home and click on the feedback button at
the bottom of the page.
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Denise L. Voskuil
>I have one simple question. What is the command to Indent in HTML?
There is a <TAB> tag, but most browsers outside of UdiWWW and maybe
Arena don't recognize it. Write to the makers of your favorite
browser and complain. (BTW, this question is answered in the FAQ.)
- Denise
Scott Persons
>
> I have one simple question. What is the command to Indent in HTML?
>
Darrell:
To indent, I use the command <dd>
Works for me.
Scott Persons
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Darrell A. James
Adam Rice
James) wrote:
>I have one simple question. What is the command to Indent in HTML?
>
>Thanks in advance.
Ain't no such thing, friend. HTML doesn't care how it looks, just what it
means. "Indenting" doesn't carry any semantic value in particular.
Now, you can *simulate* indenting in a way that will work on most browsers
by enclosing the text with, say, the <blockquote> tag. This is a common,
easy technique for adding white space. You can also do it using tables.
If you mean indenting the first line of a paragraph, like this one,
the only way I know of is to insert a small transparent graphic. Inserting
the meta-character a few times may work, but as I understand it, is
a violation.
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Andy Maxwell
: I have one simple question. What is the command to Indent in HTML?
Well, previous complaints about specificity aside, I like using a table
to make an arbitrary width indentation that runs the entire page. Here's
an example that makes a 10 pixel margin.
<TABLE BORDER=0><TR><TD WIDTH=10></TD><TD>
Bunches of text. Bunches of text.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Abigail
++ I have one simple question. What is the command to Indent in HTML?
There isn't. HTML is about marking up the logical structure
of your document. Indent isn't a logical structure, but
a presentational thingy.
Stylesheets will be able to give you want you want. Ask your
browser authors to implement stylesheets.
Abigail
Paul Havemann
Abigail is technically right, as usual, but -- not unusually -- I
think she's trying to command the tide to stop coming in. ;)
To indent you can use <PRE> or <BLOCKQUOTE>. But don't tell her
I told you. ;)
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T. Joseph W. Lazio
PH> Abigail (abi...@mars.ic.iaf.nl) wrote:
>> In <4dke92$p...@ridge.xplor.com> darr...@xplor.com (Darrell
>> A. James) writes:
>> ++ I have one simple question. What is the command to Indent in
>> HTML?
>> There isn't. HTML is about marking up the logical structure of your
>> document. Indent isn't a logical structure, but a presentational
>> thingy.
>> Stylesheets will be able to give you want you want. Ask your
>> browser authors to implement stylesheets.
PH> Abigail is technically right, as usual, but -- not unusually -- I
PH> think she's trying to command the tide to stop coming in. ;)
Yes, unfortunate isn't it. Here's a means of reducing the traffic on
this group by 1/2, yet browser makers are more concerned with <BLINK>,
<MARQUE>, <FRAMES>, and BGSOUND, rather than something even more powerful.
PH> To indent you can use <PRE> or <BLOCKQUOTE>. But don't tell her I
PH> told you. ;)
<PRE> could do it. However, <BLOCKQUOTE> is just that, a block
quote. Text in a block quote could, quite legitimately, be rendered
as
> This text is in a block quote.
Moreover, those browser which do indent block quotes, typically
indent *all* lines of a paragraph, not just the first line (as in this
paragraph).
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Anthony Boyd
> darr...@xplor.com (Darrell A. James) writes:
>
> ++ I have one simple question. What is the command to Indent in HTML?
>
> There isn't.
There is. <TAB indent=foo> from the HTML 3.0 specification. Currently
implemented in UdiWWW. Also, Netscape or Mosaic has it partially last
time I checked -- can't do the indents but can do the <TAB to=foo>.
Also, the HTML 3.0   and   will allow you to use multiple
spaces, so you could do it "manually" if you wanted five spaces before
each paragraph, two spaces after each period, etc. That would be entirely
valid HTML. However, I don't know any browser that implements these yet.
Maybe Arena.
Currently, all browsers will implement the <PRE> tag from HTML 2.0, and by
using that you can format text exactly as you type it.
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Susan Hagan
>darr...@xplor.com (Darrell A. James) wrote:
>>I have one simple question. What is the command to Indent in HTML?
>There is a <TAB> tag, but most browsers outside of UdiWWW and maybe
>Arena don't recognize it. Write to the makers of your favorite
I never saw a <tab> tag in the any of the specs for HTML 2.0 or 3.0, can
you point it out or point me to the faq?
Alan J. Flavell
On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, Paul Havemann wrote:
> To indent you can use <PRE>
Of course you can. Most people who are just looking for a neat
display consider that _that_ cure is worse than the disease.
> or <BLOCKQUOTE>.
Depends on the browser. If the indent forms a necessary part of
your information content, I think you'd want to be confident that
it will work that way on ALL browsers, without a single exception.
(And what are you going to do when you _really_ want a block
quote? And what is a WWW search tool going to do when a user asks
it to retrieve all the quotations from a WWW corpus?).
If the indent doesn't form a necessary part of your information
content, but you just want it because you think it's neat, then I
suggest you review the authoring style guide at http://www.w3.org/
and then give the readers a carefully reasoned argument that explains
why HTML is not a device-independent content-based markup language.
I can configure the UdiWWW browser to indent any structure that I
like indented. There's nothing the author can do about that; they
can only make the display worse if they insist on interfering in
that part of the display process.
> But don't tell her
> I told you. ;)
Ah, so you wouldn't want to take the risk of your position
getting discussed openly? I'm quite willing to take that risk,
that's why I post here.
best regards
Arnoud Galactus Engelfriet
In article <4eb6ke$m...@toolbox.rutgers.edu>,
The <TAB> tag is proposed in the March 1995 draft of the HTML 3 specs:
(page 38 if you print the document)
Horizontal Tabs
Permitted Context: %text
Content Model: Empty!
The TAB element can be used when you want fine control over the
horizontal positioning. The TAB element is used with the <tab
id=--name--> attribute to define named tab stops. Subsequently, you
can use the TAB element with the <tab to=--name--> attribute to move
to the previously defined tab stop. This approach avoids the need to
know the font metrics in advance. The TAB element, together with
style sheets, allows conversion software to preserve layout
information when importing documents created with conventional word
processing software.
For example:
<p><b>noct<tab id=t1>ambulant</b> - walking at night<br>
<tab to=t1>(from Latin: <i>nox noctis</i> night + <i>ambulare</i> walk)
which is rendered as:
noctambulant - walking at night
(from Latin: --nox noctis-- night + --ambulare-- walk)
Galactus
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Lars Eighner
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The lovely and talented Anthony Boyd wrote:
>abi...@mars.ic.iaf.nl (Abigail) wrote:
>> darr...@xplor.com (Darrell A. James) writes:
>>
>> ++ I have one simple question. What is the command to Indent in HTML?
>>
>> There isn't.
>
>There is. <TAB indent=foo> from the HTML 3.0 specification. Currently
>implemented in UdiWWW. Also, Netscape or Mosaic has it partially last
>time I checked -- can't do the indents but can do the <TAB to=foo>.
But if you want to see how it is really done in the real world,
and not in the dream world of stuff that browsers may one day
support, check out http://www.io.com/~eighner/oood.html or any
of my other text files. Download dot.gif while you are there.
Yes, it is a kludge.
But we are stuck with kludges until someone invents a markup
language that will represent the structure of language properly.
In a way, we ought to be grateful that the authors of HTML are
not carpenters. We would have houses with roofs and floors and
walls, but when you entered the front door you would be out the
back. The houses would not have any rooms.
"Space isn't part of structure," they would insist. "If
you want space you need a style sheet or something like that.
Don't ask us because we decided long ago that space has
nothing to do with structure, and of course that decision was
entirely ours to make."
Fortunately, they are not carpenters. And it could have
been much worse: think of the kind of cosmos one of them might
have designed! As it is, HTML does not collapse the universe.
It is just an irritation to people who wish to use the web to
communicate literary information. Let us hope for its swift
demise.
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Liam Quinn
>>> ++ I have one simple question. What is the command to Indent in HTML?
>>>
>>> There isn't.
>>
>>There is. <TAB indent=foo> from the HTML 3.0 specification. Currently
>>implemented in UdiWWW. Also, Netscape or Mosaic has it partially last
>>time I checked -- can't do the indents but can do the <TAB to=foo>.
> But if you want to see how it is really done in the real world,
>and not in the dream world of stuff that browsers may one day
>support, check out http://www.io.com/~eighner/oood.html or any
>of my other text files. Download dot.gif while you are there.
> Yes, it is a kludge.
Yes, indeed. Look at your page with a browser like Netscape and image
loading turned off. Then ask yourself if it was really worth it.
> But we are stuck with kludges until someone invents a markup
>language that will represent the structure of language properly.
It's been done, and it's called HTML. HTML 3.0 would seem to have an
ideal solution for your spacing problem.
> In a way, we ought to be grateful that the authors of HTML are
>not carpenters. We would have houses with roofs and floors and
>walls, but when you entered the front door you would be out the
>back. The houses would not have any rooms.
> "Space isn't part of structure," they would insist. "If
>you want space you need a style sheet or something like that.
>Don't ask us because we decided long ago that space has
>nothing to do with structure, and of course that decision was
>entirely ours to make."
You're getting the HTML Working Group (a.k.a. the authors of HTML)
mixed up with the browser makers. HTML 3.0 has the TAB element, but
browser makers don't seem to understand its importance and usefulness.
Apart from your mix-up, that analogy is really lame--it is first and
foremost the browser's/user's responsibility to decide whether or not
to indent text, and there is no reason why they cannot choose to
single space and indent all paragraphs.
> Fortunately, they are not carpenters. And it could have
>been much worse: think of the kind of cosmos one of them might
>have designed! As it is, HTML does not collapse the universe.
>It is just an irritation to people who wish to use the web to
>communicate literary information. Let us hope for its swift
>demise.
Nice attitude. If you don't like it, why are you bothering to write
pages with it? Are you not supporting it in doing so (despite your
kludgery)? Try taking a look at PDF, if you so hate HTML. Heck, if
all you want is the proper spacing, why not just serve up a plain text
file?
Liam Quinn
aqu...@hookup.net
http://www.hookup.net/~aquinn/liam.html
Arnoud Galactus Engelfriet
In article <vuGDxAwZ...@io.com>,
eig...@io.com (Lars Eighner) wrote:
> In a way, we ought to be grateful that the authors of HTML are
> not carpenters. We would have houses with roofs and floors and
> walls, but when you entered the front door you would be out the
> back. The houses would not have any rooms.
The first HTML 3 draft is TWO years old, by now. That's older than
Netscape Corp itself. And that draft INCLUDED <tab>, amongst others.
So it is NOT a matter of HTML designers being slow, but rather that of
BROWSER developers being lazy. I still wonder why Netscape can't do
something simple like <UL PLAIN> or even the semi-complicated <LI SRC>
or <FIG> construct, but CAN do all kinds of nifty frames and <FONT> stuff.
Galactus
"And don't get me started on <BLINK>"
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Ignacio
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Steve Stolle
ign...@iam.cl (Ignacio) wrote:
> <BLOCKQUOTE> How about this? </BLOCKQUOTE>
Except that on Internet Explorer 1.5 (Win3.1) it doesn't indent.
You merely get italicized text. HTML doesn't work well as a page
layout language.
Arnoud Galactus Engelfriet
In article <ignacio-3101...@iam.cl>,
ign...@iam.cl (Ignacio) wrote:
> <BLOCKQUOTE> How about this? </BLOCKQUOTE>
Gets rendered as italics, rather than being indented.
At least, that's what happens on my browser.
Galactus
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Luke N. Kingland
: >darr...@xplor.com (Darrell A. James) wrote:
: >>I have one simple question. What is the command to Indent in HTML?
: >There is a <TAB> tag, but most browsers outside of UdiWWW and maybe
: >Arena don't recognize it. Write to the makers of your favorite
: I never saw a <tab> tag in the any of the specs for HTML 2.0 or 3.0, can
: you point it out or point me to the faq?
I can't do that, but if you want to indent, throw down a <dd> where you want
it, you DO NOT need and </dd>'s though, it is stand-alone.
Good Luck!
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T. Joseph W. Lazio
[Responding to a question about how to indent...]
LNK> I can't do that, but if you want to indent, throw down a <dd>
LNK> where you want it, you DO NOT need and </dd>'s though, it is
LNK> stand-alone.
No, a <DD> is part of a definition list. Nowhere is it written that
a definition list must be indented. (See
<URL:http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/MarkUp/> if you don't believe me.)
The proper way to indent is in a style sheet via
P { indent: 3en }
and then find yourself a decent browser that handles the power of
style sheets.
Mike Batchelor
whatever block markup you are using, with indents.
Indentation is not a feature of HTML, it's a feature of the browser.
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Alan J. Flavell
>dvos...@mcs.com (Denise L. Voskuil) writes:
>
>>There is a <TAB> tag, but most browsers outside of UdiWWW and maybe
>>Arena don't recognize it. Write to the makers of your favorite
>
>I never saw a <tab> tag in the any of the specs for HTML 2.0 or 3.0, can
>you point it out
It's still in the same place that it was early last year when the
now-expired HTML3.0 draft was posted. In the table of contents under
Horizontal Tabs. At the obvious place, http://www.w3.org/ , follow
the obvious links, here it is:
http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/MarkUp/html3/tabs.html
ttfn
Frank McNeil
: In our last episode <whisper-2501...@whisper.got.net>,
: Broadcast on comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html
: The lovely and talented Anthony Boyd wrote:
: >abi...@mars.ic.iaf.nl (Abigail) wrote:
: >> darr...@xplor.com (Darrell A. James) writes:
: >>
: >> ++ I have one simple question. What is the command to Indent in HTML?
: >>
: >> There isn't.
Bummer, I really would like to use a hanging indent so I can use my own
list (LI) headings.
: >There is. <TAB indent=foo> from the HTML 3.0 specification. Currently
: >implemented in UdiWWW. Also, Netscape or Mosaic has it partially last
: >time I checked -- can't do the indents but can do the <TAB to=foo>.
Isn't Netscape 1.22 the most popular browser? It can't do it.
Hence use I use       in my non commercial pages.
Commercial pages could use something like
<IMG SRC="../../resource/indent22.gif" ALT=" ">
and I've seen another option that a prestigious law journal USED that
I'll paste-in
<dt><dd> SEVERAL RECENT cases illustrate tax issues that arise in the
<BR>
</dt> family context. By inference, they suggest how to avoid tax problems
<BR>
for family members.
<BR>
<dt><dd> The family structure presents a unique tax planning opportunity
<BR>
</dt> to shift income from higher tax bracket members to lower tax bracket
<BR>
members, income tax savings result, benefitting the family unit. The
<BR>
to produce
SEVERAL RECENT cases illustrate tax issues that arise in the
family context. By inference, they suggest how to avoid tax problems
for family members.
The family structure presents a unique tax planning opportunity
to shift income from higher tax bracket members to lower tax bracket
members, income tax savings result, benefitting the family unit. The
I haven't studied this, but I wonder if it works on other browsers besides
Netscape. I believe I'm too set in my ways to redefine DD and DT so that
DT can contain DD. However it is a trick that might work for the browsers
that most people use without apearing distorted on other browsers.
: But if you want to see how it is really done in the real world,
: and not in the dream world of stuff that browsers may one day
: support, check out http://www.io.com/~eighner/oood.html or any
: of my other text files. Download dot.gif while you are there.
You used <IMG SRC="dot.gif" WIDTH=30 HEIGHT=1 ALIGN=LEFT ALT=" . . . ">
Many months ago I converted 100-200 fan-fiction files with a perl script
that read the authors indention spaces and then used one of five gifs
along with a number of  --so Lynx version 2.4 readors could see
indentions
<IMG SRC="../../resource/indent22.gif" ALT=" ">
: Yes, it is a kludge.
: But we are stuck with kludges until someone invents a markup
: language that will represent the structure of language properly.
Well I like the attitude; but IMO we just have to wait for the death of
ms-windows 3.1+ and Microsoft to implement THEIR style-sheet mechanism.
: In a way, we ought to be grateful that the authors of HTML are
: not carpenters. We would have houses with roofs and floors and
: walls, but when you entered the front door you would be out the
: back. The houses would not have any rooms.
Very funny :).
IMHO, the originators of HTML created a spec on paper not in an
editor/browser world. Hence they aren't the only people responsible
for HTML. They gave us most but not all of HTML,
since HTML needs browsers to be real. Had they produced
a FREE (or commercial) browser it would have been more than a spec.
[Everything costs money & time.]
[deleted more funny stuff.]
frank
Lars Eighner
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The lovely and talented Frank McNeil wrote:
>Lars Eighner (eig...@io.com) wrote:
>: In our last episode <whisper-2501...@whisper.got.net>,
>: Broadcast on comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html
>: The lovely and talented Anthony Boyd wrote:
>
>: >abi...@mars.ic.iaf.nl (Abigail) wrote:
>: >> darr...@xplor.com (Darrell A. James) writes:
>: >>
>: >> ++ I have one simple question. What is the command to Indent in HTML?
>: >>
>: >> There isn't.
>
>Bummer, I really would like to use a hanging indent so I can use my own
>list (LI) headings.
I am not sure what you want to do here. But possibly you will
find <DL> more to your liking.
<DL>
<DT>This line starts flush left on many browsers.
<DD><IMG SRC="doodad.gif">This line is indented with a doodad in
front of it.
<DD><IMG SRC="doodad.gif">So does this one.
</DL>
On a number of browsers this will look like a <UL><LI><LI></UL>
list except that the dot the <LI> usually puts in will be
replaced with a doodad of your choosing.
Lars Eighner
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The lovely and talented Frank McNeil wrote:
>Here, I'll paste in some of the text.
>
>2.2 Exceptions:
> a) Posts in violation of paragraphs 12 and/or 13 of the Charter of
> misc.taxes.moderated as approved by the Usenet community warrant
> neither notice of rejection nor explanation of rejection, but
> may be sent either or both at the discretion of the moderator.
> b) Posts containing personal attacks, sarcastic remarks, or angry
> tone will be on a very low priority for being sent notice and/or
> explanation.
>
>MS-Word can handle the above easily, hence I think the leading browser(s)
>should also.
>
>Netscape 1.22 used to be the leading browser, I'll check to see if the
>Windows 95 world browser has reduced that lead; then I'll probably use UL,LI
>with an attribute that comes close.
> I'll provided a clearly visible link to the text version of the
>document under the Title in the HTML version. [I'll still put the text
>version in a PRE in an HTML file.]
Perhaps some combination of <BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE> with one
of the list types (<DL>,<UL>,or <OL>) would produce something
like you want with some browsers, although I can't vouch for the
validity of <BLOCKQUOTE> in lists as far as strict HTML goes.
If it works at all, it ought to work independently of window
size, which would make it preferable to kludging it with <BR>.
Bill East
><BLOCKQUOTE> How about this? </BLOCKQUOTE>
>
>:)
From the HTML 2.0 specification
(http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/MarkUp/html-spec/html-spec_5.html):
The BLOCKQUOTE element contains text quoted from another source.
A typical rendering might be a slight extra left and right indent,
and/or italic font. The BLOCKQUOTE typically provides space above and
below the quote.
Single-font rendition may reflect the quotation style of Internet mail
by putting a vertical line of graphic characters, such as the greater
than symbol (>), in the left margin.
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In article <4f7q8d$b...@shellx.best.com>, ftme...@shellx.best.com (Frank McNeil) writes:
> IMHO, the originators of HTML created a spec on paper not in an
> editor/browser world. Hence they aren't the only people responsible
> for HTML. They gave us most but not all of HTML,
> since HTML needs browsers to be real. Had they produced
> a FREE (or commercial) browser it would have been more than a spec.
> [Everything costs money & time.]
Not sure exactly who you mean by "the originators of HTML", but on most
interpretations I would expect it to include the people behind Mosaic
and Arena, to mention only two.
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Abigail
++ You can ty using none breaking spaces.
++
++ this will indent two spaces. (quick fix)
Only on broken browsers.
Abigail
Chris Josephes
has anyone figured out how to do this with cascading style sheets? Does
it involve changing P explicitly, or P:first-line. I read the specs at
w3, but it didn't seem very clear. Also, how would you eliminate the
double space at the end of the stylesheet?
And finally, I guess I should ask if there are any Arena users out there
who would be willing to check up on my site once I implement the
stylesheet to make sure it looks right.
Thanks.
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Toby Speight
>>>>> Chris == "Chris Josephes" <cp...@winternet.com> writes:
Chris> has anyone figured out how to do this [indenting first line of
Chris> a pragraph] with cascading style sheets? Does it involve
Chris> changing P explicitly, or P:first-line.
The latter, I think. Use the indent attribute of P:first-line; email
me the URL if you want me to test your document (with w3-mode in
emacs).
Chris> I read the specs at w3, but it didn't seem very clear. Also,
Chris> how would you eliminate the double space at the end of the
Chris> stylesheet?
I'm not sure what you mean by this last question. My stylesheets all
end in a newline.
Chris> And finally, I guess I should ask if there are any Arena users
Chris> out there who would be willing to check up on my site once I
Chris> implement the stylesheet to make sure it looks right.
Arena isn't the only stylesheet browser, remember.
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Garrett Fitzgerald
Toby Speight <t...@ansa.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <4fleqs$l...@blackice.winternet.com>,
>>>>>> Chris == "Chris Josephes" <cp...@winternet.com> writes:
>
>Chris> has anyone figured out how to do this [indenting first line of
>Chris> a pragraph] with cascading style sheets? Does it involve
>Chris> changing P explicitly, or P:first-line.
>
>The latter, I think. Use the indent attribute of P:first-line; email
>me the URL if you want me to test your document (with w3-mode in
>emacs).
My stylesheet (which I still haven't tested myself :-( ) uses:
P { text-indent: 5em }
Michael Seaton
: >>>>> In article <4fleqs$l...@blackice.winternet.com>,
: >>>>> Chris == "Chris Josephes" <cp...@winternet.com> writes:
: Chris> has anyone figured out how to do this [indenting first line of
: Chris> a pragraph] with cascading style sheets? Does it involve
: Chris> changing P explicitly, or P:first-line.
: The latter, I think. Use the indent attribute of P:first-line; email
: me the URL if you want me to test your document (with w3-mode in
: emacs).
The former, actually. Hakon Lie admitted this wasn't clear in the draft,
so it will probably get clarified in the next revision.
So in theory, the correct method for indentation is
p {text-indent: 6en}
Which leads me to this question: does the current Arena version even
support 'en'? The last I checked, it interpreted '6en' to mean six
*pixels*.
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Chris Gray
Chris Josephes (cp...@winternet.com) wrote:
: Okay, I know the <dd>, <ul>, and blockquote tricks aren't repliable, but
: has anyone figured out how to do this with cascading style sheets? Does
: it involve changing P explicitly, or P:first-line. I read the specs at
: w3, but it didn't seem very clear. Also, how would you eliminate the
: double space at the end of the stylesheet?
P {text-indent: 5em }
: And finally, I guess I should ask if there are any Arena users out there
: who would be willing to check up on my site once I implement the
: stylesheet to make sure it looks right.
Sorry, can't help you yet: I *will* install Arena, just as soon as I get
hold of that Round Tuit.
Michael Seaton
: Chris Josephes (cp...@winternet.com) wrote:
: : Okay, I know the <dd>, <ul>, and blockquote tricks aren't repliable, but
: : has anyone figured out how to do this with cascading style sheets? Does
: : it involve changing P explicitly, or P:first-line. I read the specs at
: : w3, but it didn't seem very clear. Also, how would you eliminate the
: : double space at the end of the stylesheet?
: P {text-indent: 5em }
: : And finally, I guess I should ask if there are any Arena users out there
: : who would be willing to check up on my site once I implement the
: : stylesheet to make sure it looks right.
: Sorry, can't help you yet: I *will* install Arena, just as soon as I get
: hold of that Round Tuit.
Better to give that Round Tuit to Arena's developers, so that they
actually *implement* 'em'.
: Chris Gray Chris...@bcs.org.uk Compuserve: 100065,2102
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Chris Josephes
: In article <s8ka1og4...@socrates.ansa.co.uk>,
: Toby Speight <t...@ansa.co.uk> wrote:
: >>>>>> In article <4fleqs$l...@blackice.winternet.com>,
: >>>>>> Chris == "Chris Josephes" <cp...@winternet.com> writes:
: >
: >Chris> has anyone figured out how to do this [indenting first line of
: >Chris> changing P explicitly, or P:first-line.
: >
: >The latter, I think. Use the indent attribute of P:first-line; email
: >me the URL if you want me to test your document (with w3-mode in
: >emacs).
: My stylesheet (which I still haven't tested myself :-( ) uses:
: P { text-indent: 5em }
Hmmm, Okay I'll try it tonight on one or two files.
Oh yeah, the double-space thing I mentioned regarded the vertical
formatting of the paragraph. For example.....
HTML (no style)
---------------
This is one paragraph. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog but
soon found that the dog wasn't all that tasty.
This is the second paragraph. Later on, a few other dogs came after the
quick brown fox and made sure their fallen fellow hound did not die in vein.
HTML (indented paragraphs, not as much vertical space)
------------------------------------------------------
This is one paragraph. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy
dog but soon found out that the dog wasn't all that tasty.
This is the second paragraph. Later on, a few other dogs came
after the quick brown fox and made sure their fallen fellow hound did not
die in vein.
(I know the content is a little weak, but you get my point).
Finally, just to make sure I'm doing this right, the HTML file would have
this line
<LINK REL=stylesheet TITLE=myStyle HREF="style1.css">
(plus I think there'd be some mentioning of the type of stylesheet format)
And the file "style.css" would be a regular text file with just this line
(so far.....)
p {text-indent: 5em}
Anyways, the first text document will be
"http://www.winternet.com/~cpj1/myst/myst1.html" and it should be ready
by midnight (Central time) tonight. Once I get some feedback, I will
expand the stylesheet use throughout the site. Arena/Emacs users feel
free to comment.
Chris Josephes
: Chris Josephes (cp...@winternet.com) wrote:
: : And finally, I guess I should ask if there are any Arena users out there
: : who would be willing to check up on my site once I implement the
: : stylesheet to make sure it looks right.
: Sorry, can't help you yet: I *will* install Arena, just as soon as I get
: hold of that Round Tuit.
No prob. (And once again I forgot that emacs users can also use
stylesheets). I figure if the indented paragraphs go well I might try
to experiment with dropcaps. I guess the nice benefit I have with this
is that I only have to change one stylesheet that can affect multiple
documents.
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Chris Gray
> Better to give that Round Tuit to Arena's developers, so that they
> actually *implement* 'em'.
Yup, since posting that I've heard that 5em will get you 5px :(.
Personally if I were asked which one measurement I wished to take
with me to a desert island, I would answer "em or en". In this
context pixels are about as much use as tits on a - oops, sorry,
not supposed to use that word.
Chris Josephes
> In article <4geak1$1...@blackice.winternet.com> you wrote:
> : Finally, just to make sure I'm doing this right, the HTML file would have
> : this line
>
> : <LINK REL=stylesheet TITLE=myStyle HREF="style1.css">
> : (plus I think there'd be some mentioning of the type of stylesheet format)
> That would be MEDIA="application/x-css1" or whatever the current
> MIME-type is.
Is that right? I used 'TYPE="text/css"' because that was the example
used on the w3 site regarding CSS
>
> : And the file "style.css" would be a regular text file with just this line
> : (so far.....)
>
> : p {text-indent: 5em}
>
> I don't know if you saw my follow-up, but as I said there, Arena doesn't
> support em or en units.
>
> (It treats them as being equivalent to pixels. :/ )
Hmmm, I'll check on support for inches or centimenters. Thanks!
>
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