X10 Pro realy better?
Gilles Labelle
want to use switches on an commercial application do I have to buy the X10
Pro switches ?
Gilles Labelle
Montréal, Québec, Canada
Brian Karas
X10Pro stuff is identical to the X100 stuff, especially when it comes
to look/feel.
[] [] "Gilles Labelle" <si...@videotron.ca> was saying:
>I am wondering if the X10 Pro modules are better than the regular one's. I
>want to use switches on an commercial application do I have to buy the X10
>Pro switches ?
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Ido Bar-Tana
are absolutely identical.
Next level up from X10 and its derivatives (X10 pro, plug and power and some
other names) is Leviton, which have AGC circuitry (gain control) they call
intellisense or something, that make the module more noise immune and have
better selectivity.
Next up are PCS switches, which have a better 'feel', so they say.
Ido
"Gilles Labelle" <si...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
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> I am wondering if the X10 Pro modules are better than the regular one's. I
> want to use switches on an commercial application do I have to buy the X10
> Pro switches ?
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Fringe Ryder
the x10 booth. Their stuff is made on the same line; they claim they get
first pick during the testing cycle. Which means, "no".
"Gilles Labelle" <si...@videotron.ca> sez:
>I am wondering if the X10 Pro modules are better than the regular one's. I
>want to use switches on an commercial application do I have to buy the X10
>Pro switches ?
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>Gilles Labelle
>Montréal, Québec, Canada
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ND Lindsey
repairs.
Fringe Ryder
accessories (video/audio transmitters, cameras, paste-on switches, etc.)
X10-Pro doesn't even carry most of that stuff.
The X10-Pro guy was very vehement that X10.COM is not actually part of the
same company. He claims that X10.COM is a marketing reseller, but not
closely affiliated with X-10, Inc. I have not made any effort to verify
this though.
Brian Karas
>The interesting thing about that is, x10.com pushes entertainment
>accessories (video/audio transmitters, cameras, paste-on switches, etc.)
>X10-Pro doesn't even carry most of that stuff.
>
>The X10-Pro guy was very vehement that X10.COM is not actually part of the
>same company. He claims that X10.COM is a marketing reseller, but not
>closely affiliated with X-10, Inc. I have not made any effort to verify
>this though.
This is true. X10.com was _supposed_ to IPO sometime early this year.
X10Pro is the manufacturer/importer of items using the X10 name and
technology. X10.com (not "X10") is simply a marketing company that
sells things on the web and via phone orders. X10.com is not X10 is
not X10Pro. Although, I agree, the line gets a little blurry
sometimes. :)
Randy
companies (X10 and X10.com) doesn't mean that they aren't actually the same
company... Lately it seems a common practice for manufacturers to create a
'not-the-same-company' website to sell the goods, generally at lower than
MSRP, thus not violating distribution policies. (Most manufacturers agree
not to undersell their distributors, which X10 clearly does)
"Brian Karas" <br...@futurestandard.com.doitsu> wrote in message
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Brian Karas
>companies (X10 and X10.com) doesn't mean that they aren't actually the same
>company... Lately it seems a common practice for manufacturers to create a
>'not-the-same-company' website to sell the goods, generally at lower than
>MSRP, thus not violating distribution policies. (Most manufacturers agree
>not to undersell their distributors, which X10 clearly does)
From what I am led to believe, there is a blurry like between X10 and
X10Pro, but X10.com is definitely a separate entity.
Randy
believe that x10.com is a seperate company.
Second- x10.com is registered to X10, Inc.
Third, and in conclusion, X10.com speaks in public as if they ARE in control
of the manufacture of new products. I believe that x10.com IS in fact x10.
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Jack Ak
produce new product at less cost than a rework/repair.
j. ak
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Neil Cherry
>There are no reworks or repairs. Automated assembly can
>produce new product at less cost than a rework/repair.
Hmmm, I not so sure in X10's case. I think I've received X10 devices
that still have resin from a repair or mod (maybe factory mod).
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Jack Ak wrote:
>
> There are no reworks or repairs. Automated assembly can
> produce new product at less cost than a rework/repair.
>
Fringe Ryder
X10Pro.com is registered out of BC and Florida, owned by Electronic House
Publishing. It appears to be run out of BC.
X10, Inc, looks like it is incorporated in New Jersey, which could be for
tax reasons. I believe it is descended from BSR out of England, but I
could be wrong. They've been based out of Cloister, NJ for over 15 years,
at any rate.
X10.com is registered out of Seattle, which matches the conversations I had
with both reps at X10.com and with X10 Pro at CES. However, they ship out
of Las Vegas. (Based on my boxes, at any rate.)
There doesn't seem to be much overlap. My guess is that X10, Inc. is a
slim shell around the (current and expired) patents, for licensing fees,
product engineering, and manufacturing coordination. They probably sell
to X10.COM and sell/license to X10Pro.com. This would all be fairly
consistent with what the X10Pro rep told me, except that he implied that
they (Pro) do some engineering. Nobody I met at CES could have done any of
it, but nobody in the Microsoft booth could write a quick program either;
marketing drones runneth amuck.
"Randy" <ra...@lotuselan.com> sez:
>Well, just because there's a separation aesthetically between the two
>companies (X10 and X10.com) doesn't mean that they aren't actually the same
>company... Lately it seems a common practice for manufacturers to create a
>'not-the-same-company' website to sell the goods, generally at lower than
>MSRP, thus not violating distribution policies. (Most manufacturers agree
>not to undersell their distributors, which X10 clearly does)
>
>
>"Brian Karas" <br...@futurestandard.com.doitsu> wrote in message
>news:38e0d6bc....@news.teleweb.net...
>> [] [] Fringe Ryder <fri...@fringedeleteweb.com> was saying:
>>
>> >The interesting thing about that is, x10.com pushes entertainment
>> >accessories (video/audio transmitters, cameras, paste-on switches, etc.)
>> >X10-Pro doesn't even carry most of that stuff.
>> >
>> >The X10-Pro guy was very vehement that X10.COM is not actually part of
>the
>> >same company. He claims that X10.COM is a marketing reseller, but not
>> >closely affiliated with X-10, Inc. I have not made any effort to verify
>> >this though.
>>
>> This is true. X10.com was _supposed_ to IPO sometime early this year.
>> X10Pro is the manufacturer/importer of items using the X10 name and
>> technology. X10.com (not "X10") is simply a marketing company that
>> sells things on the web and via phone orders. X10.com is not X10 is
>> not X10Pro. Although, I agree, the line gets a little blurry
>> sometimes. :)
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>> Check out the CPU-XA, ELK, and HAI mailing lists and tech-tips at
>FutureStandard.com
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>http://www.FutureStandard.com
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>
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More information about Leviton and some about PCS. Leviton used to
start with X-10 manufactured bodies and added value to them, but now
they manufacture their own products and are of a much higher quality.
(Not to mention they are warranted) The newer Leviton switches talk
extended data protocol of X-10 for advanced features, have top-on and
bottom-off, and their newer relay switches are quiet. PCS, to the
best of my knowledge, use a Litolier body and then add value with some
electronics (Preset Dim for advanced features, etc.).
Rick
On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:56:43 +0200, "Ido Bar-Tana"
<ido_bart...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I read that X10 pro go thru some testing. Apart from that, the components
>are absolutely identical.
>
>Next level up from X10 and its derivatives (X10 pro, plug and power and some
>other names) is Leviton, which have AGC circuitry (gain control) they call
>intellisense or something, that make the module more noise immune and have
>better selectivity.
>
>Next up are PCS switches, which have a better 'feel', so they say.
>
>Ido
>
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