EOL Reisistors for HAI Omni Pro II

[Bill F]

I need to terminate my alarm inputs for my HAI Omni Pro II. Any suggestions
on the best/fastest way to accomplish this?

Thanks,

Bill F

[Mike Nolan]

"Bill F" <wef...@hotmail.com> writes:

>I need to terminate my alarm inputs for my HAI Omni Pro II. Any suggestions
>on the best/fastest way to accomplish this?

The best way may not be the fastest way. You can place the resistor at
the panel, but that may mean that the circuit can be bridged without it
being detected. If you place it at the 'business' end (ie, at the door
or other zone device), it is more work. And depending on the zone, that
may not necessarily affect whether the zone can be bridged.
--
Mike Nolan

[G. Morgan]

On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 22:43:15 GMT, "Bill F" <wef...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I need to terminate my alarm inputs for my HAI Omni Pro II. Any suggestions
>on the best/fastest way to accomplish this?
>

Come to alt.security.alarms for more opinions. Put your safety
glasses, and hard hat on though. :-Ş

Regards,
Graham

[Bill F]

I would definitely like to have the resistor at the sensor, not the panel.

Should the resistor be soldered or is a "B" style crimp (or similar) OK?

Bill Falk

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[Robert L. Bass]

Hi Bill,

I've installed alarm systems for nearly a quarter century so I guess that
gives me some experience in this. :^)

You should definitely install the EOLs at the sensors. Don't use crimps for
in-wall splices. They can snag making it extremely difficult to pull the
sensor out when (not if) you need to service or replace it. Use a
staggered, in-line solder splice to accomplish this. That may sound like a
mouthful, but it's actually pretty easy to do.

Here are a couple of images that illustrate the simple technique
effectively:

http://www.tpub.com/neets/book4/32NE0334.GIF
--- and ---
http://www.tpub.com/neets/book4/32NE0335.GIF

Here's a FAQ page on splicing. There's a good lesson in the Western Union
Splice on it.
http://www.sasked.gov.sk.ca/curr_content/paasurvey/elec/Lesson5/Lesson5.html

Regards,
Robert L Bass

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[L. M. Rappaport]

On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 22:43:15 GMT, "Bill F" <wef...@hotmail.com> wrote

(with possible editing):

It depends upon the cable you're using and the flexibility you want.
If you're using 4 conductor cable with two conductor devices and a
normally closed device such as a contact, you can parallel the contact
and put the 1k EOL resistor at the panel using the SECOND pair. That
allows you to change zone configuration at the panel. The
disadvantage is that there isn't much room in the box for this sort of
thing and wiring gets really cluttered very quickly.

If you are using 2 conductor cable with 2 conductor devices, then the
EOL goes at the device. If you put it at the panel, you've defeated
the purpose. Same with 4 conductor cable and a 4 conductor device.

The above is for intrusion or HA devices only. Fire alarm EOL relays
and resistors go at end of line ONLY. (required by code)

--
Larry
ra...@lmr.com

[Robert L. Bass]

Agreed on all but one minor point, Larry. You can do a 4-wire supervised
loop with normally open or normally closed devices.

Regards,
Robert L Bass

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[L. M. Rappaport]

You're right, nice catch, don't know why I didn't say it correctly.

--
Larry
ra...@lmr.com

On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:30:07 -0400, "Robert L. Bass"
<rober...@comcast.net> wrote (with possible editing):

[Robert L. Bass]

Between the bunch of us we usually get it sorted out. That's what sets this
forum apart from the cesspool.

Regards,
Robert L Bass

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"L. M. Rappaport" <ra...@lmr.com> wrote in message
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[G. Morgan]

On Sat, 5 Oct 2002 16:07:22 -0400, "Robert L. Bass"
<rober...@comcast.net> wrote:

Well quit coming to the cesspool. You asshole. I wonder why it is a
cesspool? Wait I know, you keep tring to sell your wares without a
clue (or licence). ASA would be fine without you. All you do is try
to sell in newsgroups. You're tag line is only introduced when
soliciting a new poster. When you get dirty, the tag disappears. YOU
are not in the alarm trade. If you are post your licence#.

I am not going to post mine, it's not needed for an intaller. I'm not
selling anything online. But I have been verified. Check
http://www.alt-security-alarms.com ; No one can be listed without
verification of current licence, I am. RLB will be too, if he gets a
licence.

Graham

[RH Campbell]

Let me ask a serious question. I'm curious; how do you verify the validity
of an alarm company or alarm installer if he or they work in a province like
Ontario, Canada, where there simply are no alarm licenses to get even if you
wanted to....

I've also been a locksmith for 30 years, and I don't have a single license
in that trade either, that certifies I am a reputable character, or that I
know what I'm doing....

R.H.Campbell
Home Security Metal Products
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
www.homemetal.com

"G. Morgan" <gra...@hot.rr.com> wrote in message
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[Robert Skinner]

Robert, I have belonged to two dealer programs up to this point. Both of
the companies performed criminal background checks on me as well as credit
history reports. I must provide proof of insurance once a year to prove
that it is in force. The company I work with now sends inspectors out to my
customers to verify my installs. I get fined if they are not up to par.

Choosing a dealer who has been a part of a reputable dealer program or
performing reference checks are the only way that I know of to ascertain the
validity of a dealer.

The monitoring station is another matter. ULC/UL and when was the last
inspection.

"RH Campbell" <rh.ca...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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[RH Campbell]

Robert, I'm really glad to hear that !! Both the larger dealer oriented
companies you've been associated with have put in place some sort of
internal measurement scheme to guage the quality of work they are getting
from their subcontractors and dealers. At least there is SOMETHING in place
to ensure that a measure of competency and quality is adhered to. This is
fine for dealer programs, but there is nothing in place industry wide in
Ontario to ensure that most independant companies that are NOT part of a
dealer program, meet even minimum standards of competency. And these people
handle the majority of installations in our marketplace......

Here in Ottawa, I am one of over 200 independant dealers that operate at all
levels of size - from the 10 account dealers to the 5000 account dealers.
The buying public has absolutely no way to ensure that the alarm company
they are dealing with is above board, and knows what the hell they are
doing.... This is NOT how it should be !! Nor should a customer have to deal
with an expensive, larger company through a dealer simply to ensure that he
is dealing with a reputable company. Size and name mean nothing in our
business....hell...he can deal with ADT, and they're the worst of the lot
(at least here in Ottawa....)

Much as I hate government regulation, I must confess to leaning more and
more that way for our industry (but then, I look at how they've totally
screwed up the gun control legislation, and I REALLY have major second
thoughts.....)

CANASA makes a lot of noise about working with the government to bring in
competency tests etc, but so far that only seems to be more noise. I'll join
that organization only when I see some concrete action from their end.....

RHC

"Robert Skinner" <rgsandas...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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[Frank Olson]

In states (or provinces) that don't require licensing, getting listed as
a Dealer isn't a "toughie". Email me and I'll 'splain it... :-)

Frank

[Frank Olson]

Keep in mind that with a normally closed contact the only thing you're
supervising is the the line from the panel to the EOL. Someone could
still circumvent the contact (it's even easier if it's a surface one).
The BEST way to guarantee the integrity of the loop is to utilize
contacts with internal resistors that match the panel they're used with.
Same thing goes for PIR's or Glass Break sensors. Put the end of
lines in the detector and use one with a tamper switch if you have any
concerns for the particular customer.

Frank Olson
http://www.alt-security-alarms.com
Free listings for qualified security professionals.

[Jake]

Not totally correct Frank-
SPDT switches could be used if the panel will support them.

With a standard switches, paper-clips work well

Frank Olson <feo...@alt-security-alarms.com> wrote in
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[G. Morgan]

On Sat, 05 Oct 2002 21:18:38 GMT, "RH Campbell"
<rh.ca...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>Let me ask a serious question. I'm curious; how do you verify the validity
>of an alarm company or alarm installer if he or they work in a province like
>Ontario, Canada, where there simply are no alarm licenses to get even if you
>wanted to....
>
>I've also been a locksmith for 30 years, and I don't have a single license
>in that trade either, that certifies I am a reputable character, or that I
>know what I'm doing....

Hi,

I don't know how those Provinces legislate licening. In Texas a
criminal backround check of the last 10 years is required. The check
is by the FBI. Once approved it's legal to install and service
burglar alarms. Fire alarms are also strictly regulated by the state
insurance board. They require a competency test, and a backround
investigation.

Graham

[Frank Olson]

Any distributor that carries GRI. http://www.grisk.com

Frank

Rich wrote:

> Frank Olson
> Where can I get contacts with EOL in them?
> Eastern dist ? Alarm Max ?
> Rich
>
>
>

[G. Morgan]

On Sun, 06 Oct 2002 02:07:08 GMT, Frank Olson
<feo...@alt-security-alarms.com> wrote:

>Any distributor that carries GRI. http://www.grisk.com

I took a look at that site. It mentions the 3/8" contacts are
available in DPDT. How you get a double pole with one contact? This
seems weird. I could see a SPDT being used, but two poles with one
contact; What is that?

Thanks,
Graham

[G. Morgan]

"Rich" <Rich...@comcast.net> wrote:, On Sat, 5 Oct 2002 22:01:04 -0400,

>
>Frank Olson
>Where can I get contacts with EOL in them?
>Eastern dist ? Alarm Max ?
>Rich
>
>

What??

[G. Morgan]

"Robert L. Bass" <rober...@comcast.net> wrote:, On Sun, 6 Oct 2002 00:04:30 -0400,

>Any distributor that carries GRI can order them for you. Alarmax, ADI, ADS,
>AFY, Notrthern, Tri-Ed (I think).

>
>> Where can I get contacts with EOL in them?
>> Eastern dist ? Alarm Max ?

www.basshome.com would surely help.
>
>
>

[Spike]

Okay, Bob. I'll vouch for your character but let's not get carried away.

RH Campbell wrote in message ...
>....and I don't have a single license

[RH Campbell]

Hey, what gives Mike, why are you posting as "Spike"....

RHC

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[Jake]

He thinks this will make Spy come out?

"RH Campbell" <rh.ca...@sympatico.ca> wrote in

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