Is Sears garage opener remote X10 compatible?
Fred Rowe
I just finished building a house and looked at the Sears model
when I was selecting door openers. My old house has a Stanley Lightmaker
door opener that uses standard X-10 to control lights, so I wanted to find
the same features. I bought one of the Sear's units and tried to get it to
work with my X-10 lamp modules, but had no luck. I asked the Sear's
salesperson about it but only got a blank look. A friend told me that he
had heard that the Sears brand modules were not compatible with X-10, my
tests seem to confirm that.
S. Keith Harrison (harr...@aur.alcatel.com) wrote:
: I moved into an existing house last November. The garage door opener is
: by Sears and has a three button remote control unit. I've seen a limited
: selection of Sears branded modules which are compatible with this remote.
: Does the Sears garage opener and remote control system use an X10 compatible
: protocol? None of the packages for the modules at Sears mentioned X10, and
: I don't have the book on the opener or remote. (I did scan the
: recently posted FAQ and didn't find the answer to this question.)
: I'd like to add control of my porch lamps and an interior light to the two
: available remote functions. Must I buy the Sears modules, or can I go with
: Leviton/BSR/etc.?
: --
: S. Keith Harrison
: harr...@aur.alcatel.com
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Walter Amante
: I moved into an existing house last November. The garage door opener is
: by Sears and has a three button remote control unit. I've seen a limited
: selection of Sears branded modules which are compatible with this remote.
: Does the Sears garage opener and remote control system use an X10 compatible
: protocol? None of the packages for the modules at Sears mentioned X10, and
: I don't have the book on the opener or remote. (I did scan the
: recently posted FAQ and didn't find the answer to this question.)
: I'd like to add control of my porch lamps and an interior light to the two
: available remote functions. Must I buy the Sears modules, or can I go with
: Leviton/BSR/etc.?
No, sorry, the Sears system is not compatable with X10.
Walt
RcWald
incompatible with the industry standard X10.
Steve Paynter
>Keith,
>
>I just finished building a house and looked at the Sears model
>when I was selecting door openers. My old house has a Stanley
Lightmaker
>door opener that uses standard X-10 to control lights, so I wanted to
find
>the same features. I bought one of the Sear's units and tried to get it
to
>work with my X-10 lamp modules, but had no luck. I asked the Sear's
>salesperson about it but only got a blank look. A friend told me that
he
>had heard that the Sears brand modules were not compatible with X-10, my
>tests seem to confirm that.
>
extend (no pun intended) your X-10 capability to include any of the RF
Transceivers (all of the security base units, or the RR501 or TM751) you
will literally leave your garage doors open to anyone who buys an RT504
multi channel radio controller !!! Proceed with caution.
Steve Paynter
HOME CONTROLS & SYSTEMS
George Jefferson
:I checked this out a few years ago and found the Sears system to be
:incompatible with the industry standard X10.
I believe this is sears' motto
--
george
geo...@mech.seas.upenn.edu
David Schneider
>Does the Sears garage opener and remote control system use an X10 compatible
>protocol?
Nope.
>I'd like to add control of my porch lamps and an interior light to the two
>available remote functions. Must I buy the Sears modules, or can I go with
>Leviton/BSR/etc.?
Unfortunately, your stuck with the Sears modules. While the Sears modules use
digitally encoded RF signals similar to X10's RR504 wireless remote, the
encoding appears to be quite different. I would love to have someone prove me
wrong ( Please! ). I would like to use the other two buttons on my Sears
remotes to tie into my home automation system ( without having to purchase and
butcher Sears receiver modules ).
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Dave Schneider, Manufacturing Engineer
Nicolet Biomedical Inc. Madison, WI USA
Philip Decker
In article 8...@netnews.upenn.edu, geo...@mech.seas.upenn.edu ( George Jefferson ) writes:
>
>:I checked this out a few years ago and found the Sears system to be
>:incompatible with the industry standard X10.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>I believe this is sears' motto
Despite rumors of Stanley's discontinuation of the garage
door opener (Lightmaker SL700) that transmits X-10 ,
it's still in Worthington's catalog (800-282-8864),
and presumably available, albeit at $225 +S&H.
PJD
Michael M. Knox
dsch...@nicmad.nicolet.com (David Schneider) wrote:
> >Does the Sears garage opener and remote control system use an X10 compatible
> >protocol?
> Nope.
If the Sears unit is like the Stanley LightMaker (which I thought it
was), the RF remote control is proprietary (non X-10), but the powerline
control for lamp/appliance module *is* X-10. If Sears uses a Door Open
Indicator like the Stanley, it uses a non X-10 powerline carrier signal.
> >I'd like to add control of my porch lamps and an interior light to the two
> >available remote functions. Must I buy the Sears modules, or can I go with
> >Leviton/BSR/etc.?
> Unfortunately, your stuck with the Sears modules. While the Sears modules use
> digitally encoded RF signals similar to X10's RR504 wireless remote, the
Sears used to sell X-10 compatible lamp/appliance modules under their
own name. Do you mean that their garage door openers used *another* set
of modules?
I'm a bit confused. None of the X-10 modules directly receive RF commands
from the RT504. The RT504 communicates with a "base" unit like the RR501
or one of the security consoles which then relays the command over the
powerline to the individual module. It seems to me if the Sears garage
door opener can signal lamp and appliance modules over the powerline,
there's a good chance it's X-10.
> wrong ( Please! ). I would like to use the other two buttons on my Sears
> remotes to tie into my home automation system ( without having to purchase and
> butcher Sears receiver modules ).
The buttons on the RF remote would not be able to communicate with any
X-10 equipment directly, but if they "tell" the opener to turn on/off
lamp modules, the opener may do so by issuing X-10 powerline commands.
I base all of the above on my assumption that the Sears opener which can
turn on lamps is a re-badged Stanley LightMaker. Most of Sears products
are re-badged "name brands".
Regards,
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Michael M. Knox
pde...@lds.loral.com (Philip Decker) wrote:
> Despite rumors of Stanley's discontinuation of the garage
> door opener (Lightmaker SL700) that transmits X-10 ,
> it's still in Worthington's catalog (800-282-8864),
> and presumably available, albeit at $225 +S&H.
I heard the "rumors" of it's demise from the fine people at Stanley's
Canadian Garage Door division and from two independent garage door
installers who checked their catalogs.
Perhaps it was just discontinued in Canada, or perhaps Worthington
has tons in stock.
David Schneider
Sorry to re-post the whole thread, but it's needed to clear up a few
misconceptions:
1. The Sears garage door opener is a 're-badged' Chamberlain ( or at least
uses the same RF remote control system.
2. As far as I know, no Sears garage door opener uses power line
communication ( like the Stanley does ).
3. Sears does market light switches that incorporate an RF receiver that
obeys commands from a Sears garage door opener remote control. Several Sears
remotes have three buttons for just such applications.
4. The RF signal between Sears remotes and receivers is not compatible with
the RF signal between X10's RR504 remote and RR501 base ( or similar ).
If the digitally encoded, and relatively secure code from my garage door
remote could be coupled to X10 or any home automation system, I'd be a happy
camper. The only way I can think to do this is to butcher one of Sear's RF
controlled light switches and use the control output as an input to my HCS.
Not pretty, but functional, flexible, and secure.
The opposite is very easy. That is: couple the signal from an X10 RF remote
to a garage door opener via a universal module. The system is not secure, and
my garage door could be opened by anyone with an X10 remote. This, of course,
is unacceptable.
Hope this clears things up for Mike and the original poster, who's name has
fallen into the bit bucket.
Leo Salemi
I had a little trouble following the main message and the following replies,
and being a fellow Bramptonian I just had to put my 2 cents in.
Yes the Stanley light-maker series is compatible with the X-10 product line
at least in my house it is. In fact its so compatible that every time my
neighbours garage door opener jams (he owns a stanley light maker unit)
my lights would flash!
Changing to another house code solves this problem (never leave them on "A")
however the continuous ON/OFF commands floods the AC line which means I can't
transmit any signals in my house.
Leo Salemi
ASCII question get an ANSI