"Deep Paint" and image theft
Keith Clark
You will be getting a very large bill via certified mail.
I just wanted to share with the rest of the design community what
low-life thieves Right Hemisphere is.
On page 19 of the latest Publisher's Toolbox catalog (vol 33) is an ad
for Deep Paint with an image taken directly from my website WITHOUT
PERMISSION.
These guys are either very stupid or very arrogant, but this is going to
cost them big time.
This after many long conversations with their CEO, Mark Roberts where I
made it explicitly clear that no uncompensated uses of any of my images
is ever allowed.
Keith Clark
http://ww.clarkphoto.com/
Robert Barnett
resolution that the catalog (which isn't theirs) that one would have needed
a much more high resolution image than the low resolution on from your web
site. Maybe you should take the 40MB file down!
Robert
Keith Clark <ClarkPho...@spiritone.com> wrote in message
news:37DA7389...@spiritone.com...
Keith Clark
Yeah, they must've been desperate. And stupid. Wait till they see my bill. Hint
:the warning on the front page specifies the minimum I will sue for.
The file is about 400x300 pixels and highly compressed. It's used with other
images in the ad, and they tried to obscure mine behind others in a small size,
but the image is immediately obvious as having come from my site.
The image is on this page : http://www.clarkphoto.com/wave2.html except that
you cannot access that page without going through the main entrance. Try it.
You have to click on the "paintings" link first. I also disabled right clicking
on my pages just a few days ago. I'm going try to change everything to
javascript driven slide shows this weekend... That way the images can't bee
seen without javascript, and the javascript itself now disables the right mouse
button.
PLEASE DON'T SAY IT. I already know that there are plenty of other ways to
steal images.
"We" artists need a lobbying group to force software makers to disable screen
captures of watermarked images. We also need to force browser manufacturers to
not cache watermarked images. And java controls to empty a user's cache heh
heh heh.
Keith Clark, Nature Photographer
http://www.clarkphoto.com (correct URL this time - funny how being pissed makes
me mis-spell my own URL ;>)
Mike C.
> Mark Roberts, I hope you're reading this.
>
> You will be getting a very large bill via certified mail.
>
> I just wanted to share with the rest of the design community what
> low-life thieves Right Hemisphere is.
>
> On page 19 of the latest Publisher's Toolbox catalog (vol 33) is an ad
> for Deep Paint with an image taken directly from my website WITHOUT
> PERMISSION.
>
> These guys are either very stupid or very arrogant, but this is going to
> cost them big time.
>
> This after many long conversations with their CEO, Mark Roberts where I
> made it explicitly clear that no uncompensated uses of any of my images
> is ever allowed.
>
> Keith Clark
> http://ww.clarkphoto.com/
Which image from your site was the image they took? I went to your site
and could not find the image they have taken.
I have the catalog also...
???
--
Mike C.
* Logo Design
* DHTML & GIF Animation
* Custom Graphics for YOUR Site!
Stop by and see if my skills and talents are up to your standards.
Site at: http://www.artistmike.com
Email Mike at: mi...@artistmike.com
Keith Clark
Keith
Les Berkley
Understand your anger, guy! They do it to us writers too! ("They" meaning no
specific parties at moment.) Try slicing your images...
Les
----------
>From: Keith Clark <ClarkPho...@spiritone.com>
In article <37DA7389...@spiritone.com>, Keith Clark
Keith Clark
OK.
The image is definitely mine as any casual observation of the catalog and my
site will show.
I was just shocked to find my image used without permission or compensation
and I guess I flew off the handle a bit.
You're right, I should be more cautions in my tone.
Keith
Mark Edwards wrote:
> No cluons were harmed when Keith Clark
>
> [snip]
>
> >I just wanted to share with the rest of the design community what
> >low-life thieves Right Hemisphere is.
> >
> >On page 19 of the latest Publisher's Toolbox catalog (vol 33) is an ad
> >for Deep Paint with an image taken directly from my website WITHOUT
> >PERMISSION.
> >
> >These guys are either very stupid or very arrogant, but this is going to
> >cost them big time.
> >
> >This after many long conversations with their CEO, Mark Roberts where I
> >made it explicitly clear that no uncompensated uses of any of my images
> >is ever allowed.
>
> Keith, you might want to lighten up in your posts. Whether a theft
> occurred or didn't occur, your post comes across as Slanderous and/or
> Libelous, both of which could be actionable.
>
> Even so, I am not a lawyer, and don't play one on TV. Internet posts
> don't live in a vacuum...
>
> Mark Edwards
> ------------
> Stop! Think! There must be a harder way to do this!
Glenn Pechacek
permission to use your work. DI see you give them credit on your site.
Keith Clark wrote:
>
> Mark Roberts, I hope you're reading this.
>
> You will be getting a very large bill via certified mail.
>
> I just wanted to share with the rest of the design community what
> low-life thieves Right Hemisphere is.
>
> On page 19 of the latest Publisher's Toolbox catalog (vol 33) is an ad
> for Deep Paint with an image taken directly from my website WITHOUT
> PERMISSION.
>
> These guys are either very stupid or very arrogant, but this is going to
> cost them big time.
>
> This after many long conversations with their CEO, Mark Roberts where I
> made it explicitly clear that no uncompensated uses of any of my images
> is ever allowed.
>
> Keith Clark
> http://ww.clarkphoto.com/
Keith Clark
Glenn Pechacek wrote:
> Nice work Keith on your paintings. Yes, they should have asked
> permission to use your work. DI see you give them credit on your site.
>
Well, yeah. They have, in my opinion, a great product. At first I was like
"No, I can't tell anyone I use Deep Paint because it's like so easy and
intutive, anyone can do this stuff".
But hey, it want other people to use it.
I want them to be a successful company and come out with version 2, and
version 3, and etc.
Regardless of this situation.
All they would have had to do is say "May I please" and we would have worked
out something. They know this from talking to me back in May.
Keith
Keith Clark
below) seemed like a very nice, trustworthy person, and I thought we had a clear
written understanding.
Hell, he told me they didn't have money, so we had agreed on free software and
that they would help publicize my work, in exchange for ONE TIME RIGHTS to
another image, neither of which has happened that I know of - and then they used
an image they had no permission to, nor had they asked about.
I'm sure it's all just a misunderstanding and the whole thing will blow over
without making any lawyers richer. I was just very hurt and shocked to find my
image used commercially without them even asking. I had a lot of respect for
Mark up till now.
And I still like their products.
Regardless of this incident.
It's wonderful stuff. The new stuff I'm doing with it is going over really well
with a small gift shop.
I'm a photographer, not a painter...hell, I can't paint to save my life. But
Deep Paint lets me create a style all my own and use "artistic cloning" with my
Wacom Intuos to create new works from my photos. It's really an awesome product,
and please don't let this thread dissuade anyone from trying or buying it. The
tech support that Right Hemisphere gave me when I was just starting to use it is
more than some companies will give.
Keith
Les Berkley wrote:
> Hi!
> Understand your anger, guy! They do it to us writers too! ("They" meaning no
> specific parties at moment.) Try slicing your images...
> Les
>
> ----------
> >From: Keith Clark <ClarkPho...@spiritone.com>
> In article <37DA7389...@spiritone.com>, Keith Clark
Roy Russo
Hemisphere's business practices... no on listened. Mark Roberts came to me
wanting a link to his site on my pages, in exchange for a reciprocal link on
his site. I don't normally link to or post info on for-profit products on my
site, but he came across as a nice guy, so I put up a link to right
hemisphere. Lo and behold, two weeks later, I still had no link pointing
back to me. No sweat, I just removed his link and with it my support for his
product... which I did consider purchasing. I know it isn't as big a deal
as your graphic theft issue, but I believe it shows something about his
character. You'd think folks that want to make money would embrace the
photoshop community a little better. We are their bread and butter, after
all.
My $.02.
Regards,
Roy Russo
http://www.deepspaceweb.com
Keith Clark <ClarkPho...@spiritone.com> wrote in message
news:37DAE38F...@spiritone.com...
Robert Barnett
image? It is in a catalog that Right Hemisphere has no control over!
Robert
Keith Clark <ClarkPho...@spiritone.com> wrote in message
news:37DAB489...@spiritone.com...
> > Keith Clark <ClarkPho...@spiritone.com> wrote in message
> > news:37DA7389...@spiritone.com...
Keith Clark
I missed that post... But he offered me the same thing, and also reneged on his
offer. I don't link to them at all.
BTW, I re-did my paintings and Photoshop art galleries today. I was going to do
it anyway but this proved it was necessary.
Tomorrow I'm reformatting (no pun intended) my Photo galleries to the new style
as well.
Now the images are displayed by a JavaScript slide show engine. It's really
slick, and the copyright warning is always present in the very bottom frame now.
There's a double advantage because now the path to the file is never revealed in
the browser, and right clicking is disabled because visitors can't see images
without it enabled.
I know, there's still at least 10 other ways to steal images from the
web...please don't say it...I'm not *totally* stupid. ;>
Does anyone know a good way to have an error message pop up if JavaScript is
disabled?
Keith Clark, Nature Photographer
http://www.clarkphoto.com
Roy Russo wrote:
> Well, I'd hate to say "I told you so", but I did post on here about Right
> Hemisphere's business practices... no on listened. Mark Roberts came to me
> wanting a link to his site on my pages, in exchange for a reciprocal link on
> his site. I don't normally link to or post info on for-profit products on my
> site, but he came across as a nice guy, so I put up a link to right
> hemisphere. Lo and behold, two weeks later, I still had no link pointing
> back to me. No sweat, I just removed his link and with it my support for his
> product... which I did consider purchasing. I know it isn't as big a deal
> as your graphic theft issue, but I believe it shows something about his
> character. You'd think folks that want to make money would embrace the
> photoshop community a little better. We are their bread and butter, after
> all.
>
> My $.02.
>
> Regards,
> Roy Russo
> http://www.deepspaceweb.com
>
> Keith Clark <ClarkPho...@spiritone.com> wrote in message
Keith Clark
somewhere.
I can guarantee you that the images used in the catalog were supplied by Right
Hemisphere.
Keith
Robert Barnett wrote:
> My question to you is how do you know it was Right Hemisphere that took your
> image? It is in a catalog that Right Hemisphere has no control over!
>
> Robert
>
> Keith Clark <ClarkPho...@spiritone.com> wrote in message
> > Keith Clark, Nature Photographer
> > http://www.clarkphoto.com (correct URL this time - funny how being pissed
> makes
> > me mis-spell my own URL ;>)
> >
> >
> > Robert Barnett wrote:
> >
> > > Wow they must have been desperate. One would thing that do to the high
> > > resolution that the catalog (which isn't theirs) that one would have
> needed
> > > a much more high resolution image than the low resolution on from your
> web
> > > site. Maybe you should take the 40MB file down!
> > >
> > > Robert
> > >
> > > Keith Clark <ClarkPho...@spiritone.com> wrote in message
> > > news:37DA7389...@spiritone.com...
Kenny A. Chaffin
ClarkPho...@spiritone.com says...
> Click on the "paintings" button and it will be obvious.
>
> Keith
>
>
> "Mike C." wrote:
>
> > Keith Clark wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > You will be getting a very large bill via certified mail.
> > >
> > > I just wanted to share with the rest of the design community what
> > > low-life thieves Right Hemisphere is.
> > >
> > > On page 19 of the latest Publisher's Toolbox catalog (vol 33) is an ad
> > > for Deep Paint with an image taken directly from my website WITHOUT
> > > PERMISSION.
> > >
> > > These guys are either very stupid or very arrogant, but this is going to
> > > cost them big time.
> > >
> > > This after many long conversations with their CEO, Mark Roberts where I
> > > made it explicitly clear that no uncompensated uses of any of my images
> > > is ever allowed.
> > >
> > > Keith Clark
> > > http://ww.clarkphoto.com/
> >
> > and could not find the image they have taken.
> >
> > I have the catalog also...
> >
> > ???
> >
> > --
> > Mike C.
> >
> > * Logo Design
> > * DHTML & GIF Animation
> > * Custom Graphics for YOUR Site!
> >
> > Stop by and see if my skills and talents are up to your standards.
> >
> > Site at: http://www.artistmike.com
> > Email Mike at: mi...@artistmike.com
>
>
And why in the world are we posting here (in the painter group) about it.
Jeeze!
KAC
--
KAC Website Design
Custom Programming, Web Design, and Graphics
ke...@kacweb.com - http://www.kacweb.com
Gruhn
Nothing a screen capture couldn't solve with far less effort than he put
into the slicing.
Gruhn
> > > resolution that the catalog
Not at all.
Gruhn
your
> > image? It is in a catalog that Right Hemisphere has no control over!
> Uhhh, you're new at this, aren't you? That's OK, we all have to start
> somewhere.
>
> I can guarantee you that the images used in the catalog were supplied by
Right
> Hemisphere.
Come on, you didn't answer the question. Your guarantee is not how you knew.
;-)
Scampers
> for Deep Paint with an image taken directly from my website WITHOUT
> PERMISSION
Don't feel bad. As a composer, I've never been paid for 6 episodes of a
nationally televised series that I scored. I've got confirmations from
stations all over the US that they've actually aired. "Slam Dunk" copyright
case, right?
I can't find a lawyer that even wants to talk to me.....
ACK!!!!
On a similar note, I've also got a number of photographs at
http://www.city-jazz.com of my wife's jazz dance company that keep showing
up on other folks web sites all the time. I usually catch these folks by
careful study of my stats every week or so. Usually, the image thieves
don't even bother to copy the image, they just provide a link direct to my
site and load up MY server with requests!
Solution for this? I rename the original and place a NEW picture (usually
something fun from alt.binaries.erotica.pictures) with the original name in
the folder. This adds some REAL excitement to their sites for a few days.
I actually got a letter from one person that was mad at me for changing the
picture!! Give me a break!
Les
Robert Barnett
on your site and in the catalog I don't see how they could claim it isn't
yours.
Robert
Keith Clark <ClarkPho...@spiritone.com> wrote in message
news:37DB5482...@spiritone.com...
> Uhhh, you're new at this, aren't you? That's OK, we all have to start
> somewhere.
>
> I can guarantee you that the images used in the catalog were supplied by
Right
> Hemisphere.
>
> Keith
>
>
> Robert Barnett wrote:
>
> > My question to you is how do you know it was Right Hemisphere that took
your
> > image? It is in a catalog that Right Hemisphere has no control over!
> >
> > > > Wow they must have been desperate. One would thing that do to the
high
> > > > resolution that the catalog (which isn't theirs) that one would have
> > needed
> > > > a much more high resolution image than the low resolution on from
your
> > web
> > > > site. Maybe you should take the 40MB file down!
> > > >
> > > > Robert
> > > >
> > > > Keith Clark <ClarkPho...@spiritone.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:37DA7389...@spiritone.com...
> > > > > Mark Roberts, I hope you're reading this.
> > > > >
> > > > > You will be getting a very large bill via certified mail.
> > > > >
> > > > > I just wanted to share with the rest of the design community what
> > > > > low-life thieves Right Hemisphere is.
> > > > >
> > > > > On page 19 of the latest Publisher's Toolbox catalog (vol 33) is
an ad
> > > > > for Deep Paint with an image taken directly from my website
WITHOUT
Robert Barnett
Robert
Kenny A. Chaffin <ke...@kacweb.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.12452ecfb...@news.dimensional.com...
> In article <37DAC6C9...@spiritone.com>,
> ClarkPho...@spiritone.com says...
> > Click on the "paintings" button and it will be obvious.
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> > "Mike C." wrote:
> >
> > > Keith Clark wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mark Roberts, I hope you're reading this.
> > > >
> > > > You will be getting a very large bill via certified mail.
> > > >
> > > > I just wanted to share with the rest of the design community what
> > > > low-life thieves Right Hemisphere is.
> > > >
> > > > On page 19 of the latest Publisher's Toolbox catalog (vol 33) is an
ad
> > > > for Deep Paint with an image taken directly from my website WITHOUT
> > > > PERMISSION.
> > > >
> > > > These guys are either very stupid or very arrogant, but this is
going to
> > > > cost them big time.
> > > >
> > > > This after many long conversations with their CEO, Mark Roberts
where I
> > > > made it explicitly clear that no uncompensated uses of any of my
images
> > > > is ever allowed.
> > > >
> > > > Keith Clark
> > > > http://ww.clarkphoto.com/
> > >
Robert Barnett
is to do what he is doing now. Letting everyone know that either Right
Hemisphere or Publisher's Tool Box or maybe both have ripped him off. This
can cause more discomfort for them than anything else. Especially Right
Hemisphere is as strapped for cash and I think. They could just file for
bankruptcy and he would still get nothing.
Robert
Scampers <scam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:VsOC3.7863$mM.8...@news1.mia...
> > On page 19 of the latest Publisher's Toolbox catalog (vol 33) is an ad
> > for Deep Paint with an image taken directly from my website WITHOUT
jbl...@iname.com
Please accept my personal apology for any misuse of your images which
may have ocurred. Although I have not yet had an opportunity to check
out the image you are referring to, I can assure you that Right
Hemisphere didn't intentionally misappropriate your work.
As a software developer, intellectual property is Right Hemisphere's
only product and most important asset. In spite of how it may have
appeared to you, we are neither stupid nor arrogant.
Creative artists like you are our market, and we succeed only insofar
as we help you to realize your creative vision. We would never
intentionally violate any one's intellectual property rights.
I'm beginning an inquiry into what happened, and can assure you that,
if a mistake was made, it will not be repeated.
Jonathan Block
Vice President, Operations
Right Hemisphere USA
jbl...@righthemisphere.com
PS - I am gratified that, in spite of whatever misunderstanding has
occurred, you continue to support Deep Paint, encourage others to use
it, and wish us success. Right Hemisphere is commited to strengthening
Deep Paint's unique funtionality (exciting new things are in the works)
and extending its availability (the Macintosh version should be
available by the end of the year), all in the context of a (Photosphop)
user-friendly interface.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Zeitbauer
>From: Keith Clark ClarkPho...@spiritone.com
>Date: Sun, 12 September 1999 03:20 AM EDT
>Message-id: <37DB5482...@spiritone.com>
>> > > >
>> > > > You will be getting a very large bill via certified mail.
>> > > >
>> > > > I just wanted to share with the rest of the design community what
>> > > > low-life thieves Right Hemisphere is.
>> > > >
>ad
>> > > > for Deep Paint with an image taken directly from my website WITHOUT
>> > > >
>> > > > These guys are either very stupid or very arrogant, but this is going
>> to
>> > > > cost them big time.
>> > > >
>> > > > This after many long conversations with their CEO, Mark Roberts where
>> I
>> > > > made it explicitly clear that no uncompensated uses of any of my
>> images
>> > > > is ever allowed.
>> > > >
>> > > > Keith Clark
>> > > > http://ww.clarkphoto.com/
>> > > >
>> >
in this and that museum, and i have to say that you should be glad of the
exposure cause your images are pretty ordinary... there's nothing that stands
out beyond a slightly above kodak moment level...
you see these stock images companies... all the stuffffff....
get them to give you name credit... in the lame-o world we live in, just seeing
your name and web-site link is enough for most foto-fans and ad-sharks to drop
in.
i worked ciba at a pro-lab in boston for a while... it's easy to do, and the
product (like painting on velvet) has a certain appeal to the visually
challanged... why not give it a break and work with the guys? you ain't gonna
get the nobel prize for foto anyway.
my stuff got dumped and copied all over the new york media in the 80's... i
didn't mind, because i was creating a style, not a corpus of grab shots.
mike
jbl...@iname.com
As a registered user of Deep Paint (and one who contacted support just
now [Sunday] having forgotten your password and received and answer
within an hour), you can rest assured that Right Hemisphere is
not "strapped for cash".
I hope you continue to enjoy the product. We'll keep you posted as new
features are added.
Jonathan Block
RightHemisphere USA
jbl...@righthemisphere.com
In article <7rgju5$kke$1...@ultra.sonic.net>,
"Robert Barnett" <web...@sonic.net> wrote:
> Especially Right
> Hemisphere is as strapped for cash and I think. They could just file
for
> bankruptcy and he would still get nothing.
>
> Robert
Kenny A. Chaffin
> Why not little on Painter seems to get posted here :)
>
> Robert
>
Good Point....
Glenn Pechacek
Design Graphics, nice full page. Great.
Glenn Pechacek
Rhody0226
that this is the most fun I've had on a computer for years. I hope the creators
of the program get the proper pride they deserve in making a very functional,
intuitive and creative piece of software.
Keith Clark
Rhody0226 wrote:
I agree, it's GREAT software!
By the way, I added some new images yesterday to my "paintings" gallery. Note that
you will need JavaScript enabled to see any images (right clicking has been
disabled - sorry).
Keith
http://www.clarkphoto.com
Keith Clark
Zeitbauer blathered:
>
> >
>
> my stuff got dumped and copied all over the new york media in the 80's... i
> didn't mind, because i was creating a style, not a corpus of grab shots.
>
> mike
So let's see your stuff.
Zeitbauer
Rick Boden
> >So let's see your stuff.
> >
> >
> >
> what for?
>
> mike
I could be wrong but I think he means "put up or shut up".
Rick
Keith Clark
Zeitbauer wrote:
> >Subject: Re: "Deep Paint" and image theft
> >From: Keith Clark ClarkPho...@spiritone.com
> >Date: Mon, 13 September 1999 05:36 PM EDT
> >Message-id: <37DD6E40...@spiritone.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >Zeitbauer blathered:
> >
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> my stuff got dumped and copied all over the new york media in the 80's... i
> >> didn't mind, because i was creating a style, not a corpus of grab shots.
> >>
> >> mike
> >
> >So let's see your stuff.
> >
> >
> >
> what for?
>
> mike
You act you're the best photographer that ever liver.
So put your images where your mouth is, that's what for.
Anine Swart
theft.
Take a close look at your image in the "photoshop art" catagory...
Scroll to img15.jpg.. intitled "cosmic"
Doesn't that hands-holding-the-statue-head image look familiar.. yes, it's
an image that comes
with Photoshop (one should be able to find it somewhere under goodies) and
i'm sure the good people
at Adobe has that image firmly copyrighted.
Nowhere do I see you give visible credit to Adobe for the commercial usage
of that image, instead I see
(c) 1995 Keith Clark very visible displayed on the image..
--
--------
Anine Swart
asw...@NOSPAMmikros.co.za
**spamblocking remove ALL CAPS to reply**
Roy Russo
Keith payed the $500.00 for Adobe Photoshop, to be able to use that image as
well. Did Deep Paint pay him something? Did I miss that? No, Deep Paint just
ripped him off, and all he gets is an apology... when his graphics helped
market their product.
--
Roy Russo
http://www.deepspaceweb.com
Anine Swart <aur...@NOSPAMreaper.org> wrote in message
news:7rimj2$rtg$1...@newnews.mikom.csir.co.za...
Tim Monk
> Buy their software, by all means. It's good stuff.
>
> But if these guys come to you asking about using your work, remember what
> they did to me.
>
> Keith Clark, Nature Photographer
> http://www.clarkphoto.com/
I received my copy of Publisher's Toolbox this afternoon. The first thing I
did was flip to the Deep Paint ad, and sure enough, I saw the image on your
website. This has never happened to me, but I work with a couple of people
who's work has been outright stolen. If this is indeed, your work I
question the integrity of Right Hemisphere. And you can rest assured I will
never purchase any product they are peddling.
To Right Hemisphere I say: "Prove yourself."
Good Nite, and Good Luck
Tim
Glenn Pechacek
there with Wesson and Adams.
Glenn Pechacek
Zeitbauer wrote:
> >
> what for?
>
> mike
Keith Clark
Glenn Pechacek wrote:
> Just saw your one of your pictures used in a review of Deep Paint in
> Design Graphics, nice full page. Great.
>
> Glenn Pechacek
Thanks, Glenn!
That issue hasn't hit the newsstands here yet and I've been dying to see how it
looks on press. I was supposed to get tear sheets as part of the agreement...
As yet they haven't paid me for that one yet either, though we had a written
agreement. Maybe Australians just have a different perspective on contractual
agreements?
Keith Clark
jbl...@iname.com wrote:
> Robert,
> <snip> you can rest assured that Right Hemisphere is
> not "strapped for cash".
>
> <snip>
>
> Jonathan Block
> RightHemisphere USA
> jbl...@righthemisphere.com
Well you know, John...
When you guys first started asking for permission to use my images, I
mentioned industry standard rates. Then you or Mark came back with "We're a
very small company and we can't afford to pay money to use people's art".
I remember Mark going on about bow beautiful things are down under, and
remember what I told him? Here's a quote from that mail :
">> Maybe if companies were more willing to pay for what they use, then
maybe
>> I
>> could AFFORD to travel to your country.
>>
>> Put yourselves in my shoes. You work hard to produce a product and
people
>> tell you that you should just give it away, but "we'll be sure to tell
>> everyone where we got it"...
>>"
If Right Hemisphere is not cash strapped they should put their money where
their mouth is and pay for what they use.
My original terms were quite reasonable.
Now I have to go and fight to get paid for world wide ad rights after the
fact, PLUS seek punitive damages, and somehow not give most of it to
frigging lawyers.
Keith Clark
what I preach, I removed that image when I got your email.
Cheers,
Keith
Keith Clark
Roy Russo wrote:
> Well, I as well use that image in my free filters area as a sample. I'm sure
> Keith payed the $500.00 for Adobe Photoshop, to be able to use that image as
> well. Did Deep Paint pay him something? Did I miss that? No, Deep Paint just
> ripped him off, and all he gets is an apology... when his graphics helped
> market their product.
>
> --
> Roy Russo
> http://www.deepspaceweb.com
I bought my first copy of Photoshop as a cross grade upgrade from Photostyler
(anyone remember that one?). Since then I've paid for several upgrades. I still
have the original CD for v3.0, and the manuals (and 4.0, and 5.02 - I'll pass on
5.5 because it's a worthless "upgrade" in my book). Remember when you used to
get manuals with software? Now you get a box of air and a CD. But I digress...
And yes, I paid FULL PRICE for Deep Paint. I was probably one of the first
people to register. I see they still haven't fixed that bloody registration
script. ;>
Companies absolutely should not rip people off for images.
But I'll tell you what makes it happen.
F*cking amateurs desperate to see their name in lights. "Oh, you'll give me
exposure, OK, suuure, duuude!"
"Exposure" doesn't pay the bills and that crap just hurts everyone.
Right Hemisphere will have to pay up for what they did.
Their "public apology" is an admission of guilt.
Keith Clark
But don't let this put you off.
Buy their software so they can pay me. ;>
Keith
Tim Monk wrote:
> > Buy their software, by all means. It's good stuff.
> >
> > But if these guys come to you asking about using your work, remember what
> > they did to me.
> >
> > Keith Clark, Nature Photographer
DLFrost
ClarkPho...@spiritone.com wrote:
> You know, I honestly forgot where that clip art came from. Just to
practice
> what I preach, I removed that image when I got your email.
>
> Cheers,
> Keith
>
> Anine Swart wrote:
>
> > Just remember that you cannot cry wolf if you yourself are guilty of
image
> > theft.
A point of order: It might not be a violation of Adobe's copyright
agreement to rework an image and post it on your website as an example
of your skills. Usage is, after all, governed by the agreement in the
package, not by Mz. Swart's accusation of hypocrisy. (Selling the
reworked image to another, however, is a violation if you don't have the
right to use it that way.) Most image and clipart packages/vendors
allow usage on a website. You might wish to review the license
agreement, as it would serve no purpose to remove your work when you
don't have to.
Doug Frost
pete
> As yet they haven't paid me for that one yet either, though we had a written
> agreement. Maybe Australians just have a different perspective on contractual
> agreements?
lol.. I doubt it Keith.
The design world is out to steal your images, it's an obvious conspiracy
we've been working on for years in Australia. They'll never pay you -
all the money they don't pay you goes directly to the friday arvo beer
money fund :-)
the guys down here at Graphic Design will find your comment above
especially amusing... NOT. Let's just hope they don't waste any more of
their resources and opportunity on people who choose to shit in their
face for no reason right?
speaking of shit, here's a little trip down memory lane courtesy of
yourself:
> Keith says on Sun 1.20:
"I just wanted to share with the rest of the design community what
low-life thieves Right Hemisphere is.
<Ed: I'm sure all the people at RH, their wives, children, pets,
everyone are all low-life thieves, hang them all>
On page 19 of the latest Publisher's Toolbox catalog (vol 33) is an ad
for Deep Paint with an image taken directly from my website WITHOUT
PERMISSION.
<Ed: contact CNN, don't dick around in here, this is obviously up right
there with other world events, 'do you remember where you were the day
you saw page 19?'>
These guys are either very stupid or very arrogant, but this is going to
cost them big time."
> The same Keith says on Tue 12.30:
"You know, I honestly forgot where that clip art came from. Just to
practice
what I preach, I removed that image when I got your email."
shucks, forgive him your honor, he has a bad memory and didn't mean any
harm... he's just either very stupid or very arrogant. doesn't sound
nice does it?
you can't have it both ways Keith. Chase the guys at Right Hemisphere as
much as you want (after all I am sure they set out to cause you
malicious harm and damage, right??), but one guess who the looser is
here.
hey gotta go, the beer's on early this week, I guess your money just
came thru, cheers Keith!
pete
Roy Russo
Take a moral and ethical stance. The web needs it.
Ciao for now,
Roy Russo
http://www.deepspaceweb.com
Roy Russo
shape, or form and we shouldn't allow it to go on or tolerate this from
anyone. I don't care if their product turns my crappy (and I mean crappy!)
photographs in to Rembrandts, I simply will not buy it after hearing all of
this and my own personal experiences with them.
Odd that a software company would do this, considering their products are
the most likely target for pirates.
--
Roy Russo
http://www.deepspaceweb.com
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