Drawing strait lines at specified angles ? help?
Stanford E Locke
degrees ?
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degree angles...
For other degrees, if you don't mind the antialiasing, you could always draw
a staright horizontal/vertical line on an empty layer and then use the
deform tool's dialog (dbl-click the Deform button) to enter a precise
angle...
PjT
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use a drawing program. make a line. rotate it to the proper angle and size. hit printscreen. paste in PSP. copy it. paste it
with transparency (make sure the BG color is right).
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neelix
55.5
>degrees ?
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There's no specific command that I know of but when you use the line tool if
you look in the bottom left of the psp screen you have the coordinates and
also the angle of the line. So just click and drag and when you get to the
angle you want let go.
That should work pretty good.
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Stanford E Locke
drawings will be "free enough" not to be a problem with being off a couple
of pixels. I do need a method of making exact parallel lines and exact
crosses for some base frame designs . . . suspect I will have to try to
learn how to make rigid drawings in ACAD light and then import into PSP . .
.
Thanks for suggestions . . .
neelix wrote in message <6pdptm$qjb$1...@nr1.ottawa.istar.net>...
PnJnCA
>drawings will be "free enough" not to be a problem with being off a couple
>of pixels. I do need a method of making exact parallel lines and exact
>crosses for some base frame designs . . .
Hold down the SHIFT key as you draw your line with the line tool.
Works like a charm for straight, parallel and 45 degree.
Porter
gl...@alaska.net
> Is there a command or method to draw a line at a specific angle such as 55.5
> degrees ?
Stanford,
I use PSP to draw specific angles quite often. I do the following:
If the new line will be similar to another existing line:
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1) Use the magic wand or other selection tool to select the existing
line.
2) Select Image, Rotate, [Right | Left], Free, then specify an exact
rotation to a hundredth of a degree. The result is a copy of the
original line rotated as you specified. Move the rotated copy to the
correct location, then deselect with <ctrl> D.
If the new line is not similar to an existing line:
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1) Create a new layer and draw a new line at 0° or 90°. Hold down Shift
while using the line tool and the line will snap to the closest increment
of 45° (0°, 45°, 90°, etc.) Now select the line using the magic wand.
2) Select Image, Rotate, [Right | Left], Free, then specify an exact
rotation to a hundredth of a degree. The result is the line rotates as
you specified. Move the rotated line to its correct location, then
deselect with <ctrl> D.
3) Merge layers as appropriate.
These processes are similar to what can be done in AutoCAD ... in fact I
copied the technique from our AutoCAD14 draftsman.
One caution, and perhaps you've read about this before. When working
with a Grey Scale image, the following key strokes result in PSP
crashing:
L
press new layer button
(any number of key strokes using PSP)
merge layers
L
This sequence averts a crash:
L
press new layer button
(any number of key strokes using PSP)
merge layers
SAVE
L
Another way to avoid crashing is to *not* use the keyboard shortcut "L"
for the layer dialog, and use the menu item "Layer." I mention this
because in drawing lines, I frequently keep file size down with grey
scale images.
Glen
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Darr wrote:
> Stanford E Locke wrote:
>
>> Is there a command or method to draw a line at a specific angle such as 55.5 degrees ?
>
>
>
> Well, I'm still a rookie, but can't you just rotate the image 55.50 degrees (Image->Rotate, Free), snap a straight line, then
> rotate the image back the other way?
> ('Free' degrees retains the last setting; just invert the L/R button selected.)
>
> Hmmm... it seems too simple... why did I not see this solution from all the 'old hands'???
Anthony Argyriou
Or the "Rotate" tool.
Anthony Argyriou
c.g.a.psp FAQ developer
http://www.alphageo.com/psp/faq.html
Stanford E Locke
another . . .
What I have worked out and is working OK for this project is to draw a
longer line than I think I'll need being sure it is in a color distinct from
my drawing . . . then select it with the magic wand . . . then rotate to
specified angle , , , then drag it into place . . . then paint off the over
hang ends.
OK for a drawing or two, but I tell ya: next time I start a project where I
am going to have to start with a lot of defined shapes with specific angles,
I am going to figure out how to first do them in a cad (vector??) drawing
first, then move them into PSP if it is possible . . . I have access to a
friend's ACAD light and have played with it a bit . . . thinking of getting
my own . . . a lot easier and faster, more accurate etc. for precise scale .
. .
Anthony Argyriou wrote in message <35c0d50f...@news.dnai.com>...
Jim Baker
Stanford E Locke wrote in message <6pqmu2$qom$1...@ns2.foothill.net>...
> <snip>
>OK for a drawing or two, but I tell ya: next time I start a project where I
>am going to have to start with a lot of defined shapes with specific
angles,
>I am going to figure out how to first do them in a cad (vector??) drawing
>first, then move them into PSP if it is possible . .
Stanford, I've been reading this thread since you started it, and didn't see
anything wrong with just using the Line Tool, and watching the angle that
PSP indicated for you. It's straightforward, already there, and *should* be
accurate. But when I finally got around to checking it, I now see why you
don't like it. The angle isn't correct! If you note the starting and
finishing points of the line, then check the math, you don't come up with
the same angle that PSP indicates. All the ones I checked were about a tenth
of a degree off.
The problem appears to be in the step where PSP divides Width by Height -
that operation doesn't come out correctly, but the Trigonometry step IS done
correctly.
So, if your problem was being created by that tenth of a degree, maybe you
could just use trigonometry to figure the start and finish points.
Jim
Stanford E Locke
couple of images = especially "creative" and "free" images = however, I have
taken on a rather large project that requires that I make a slew of
templates based upon actual items that have fairly tight specifications.
I am not real familiar with PSP, just got into it a month ago, and up to the
time I asked the original question I was working with a mouse. The problem I
faced was the combination of "eye-balling" the start line target, clicking
without shifting a couple of pixels at start, holding until "just right" and
unclicking with slipping a couple more pixels. Pains in hand and elbow
preclude a whole lot of that . . . My new WACOM Pen helps, but still has
problem with slippage at both start point and end point. When two line that
"should" be parallel, are not, it does show,and in this project renders the
results unacceptable . . .
I'll leave the math up to people like you.
Not interested in it myself.
Jim Baker wrote in message <901914699.12258@flux>...
William Schnakenberg
program. For the precision you are looking for, you might want to spring for one
of those $1000 programs. Charge the client for the program.
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David and/or Jackie Laderoute
<will...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>I don't think that Paint Shop Pro advertises itself as an architectural drawing
>program. For the precision you are looking for, you might want to spring for one
>of those $1000 programs. Charge the client for the program.
Or Smartdraw - which will do the job for only $49 US. Besides, it comes
with a crime-scene library which is worth it just for the fun of
dropping chalk outlines... heh.
Jackie
Stanford E Locke
them bring them in to PSP for the fun stuff . . . Will have to look into how
get files from one to the other . . . lot to learn, maybe next week . . .
Thanks for help.
William Schnakenberg wrote in message <35C30534...@frontiernet.net>...
>I don't think that Paint Shop Pro advertises itself as an architectural
drawing
Stanford E Locke
Have you used it . . . create in smartdraw . . . modify in PSP ???
Real excited now!
I take a look at the site right now.
Thanks
David and/or Jackie Laderoute wrote in message
<35c3411d...@news.baynet.net>...
drawing
Stanford E Locke
I Want to tell EVERYONE = This looks like the ANSWER to tech shape needs =
SmartDraw ! ! !
I am going on a trip and will not be back for several days so I did not down
load the trial version: but did read some of their page . . . it exports in
gif an jpeg, and is OLE to word, WordPerfect etc.
Looks like a person can make accurate shapes/line drawings easily in
SmartDraw then take to PSP to do the artsie-craftie fun stuff . . . It is
offered similar fashion as PSP5 = full function version for thirty days etc.
Can't wait.
I thank everyone, especially Jackie, for help in getting this far = see ya
in a week.
David and/or Jackie Laderoute
<stan...@foothill.net> wrote:
>Went to suggested link: SmartDraw.
>I Want to tell EVERYONE = This looks like the ANSWER to tech shape needs =
>SmartDraw ! ! !
It is - I do tech layouts, network diagrams and office floor plans in it
all the time. Great flowcharter, too. You can specify scale, save
objects in libraries... well worth the $. And don't forget the crime
scene library - for one particularly difficult client, I sent the final
floorplans to my boss with a chalk outline and a bloody hatchet
decorating the jerk's office - I did take it out of the version I sent
to him, though <g>. Cathartic, it was.
>I am going on a trip and will not be back for several days so I did not down
>load the trial version: but did read some of their page . . . it exports in
>gif an jpeg, and is OLE to word, WordPerfect etc.
>Looks like a person can make accurate shapes/line drawings easily in
>SmartDraw then take to PSP to do the artsie-craftie fun stuff . . . It is
>offered similar fashion as PSP5 = full function version for thirty days etc.
>Can't wait.
Yup - and it does line styles (dotted, dashed, arrowheads, etc.). I
have done some objects in it that I've saved for use in psp - lozenges,
rounded squares, etc. that I open in psp and then save as selections or
masks. For "fast and dirty" I just save objects to the clipboard and
paste into PSP.
>I thank everyone, especially Jackie, for help in getting this far = see ya
>in a week.
Have fun!
Jackie
Dave Yates
I use Visio (www.visio.com) . It's not too expensive for the Standard
version (about $120 from Software Street).
The Visio site is a nice one and has some demo's of what their product can
do.
HTH,
- dave -
William Schnakenberg wrote in message <35C30534...@frontiernet.net>...
John Kohnen
follow a curve, something PSP users always seem to be wanting to do,
considering how often they ask about it on this NG. <g> Xara Webster is a
drawing program that _will_ make text follow a curve, and it costs the same
$49 as SmartDraw. SmartDraw seems like a good enough drawing program, but
I wouldn't buy a drawing program that doesn't do curved text (unless I
needed that crime scene library).
On Sat, 01 Aug 1998 16:29:03 GMT
ja...@baynet.net (David and/or Jackie Laderoute) wrote:
> On 1 Aug 1998 12:09:00 GMT, William Schnakenberg
> <will...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> >I don't think that Paint Shop Pro advertises itself as an architectural drawing
> >program. For the precision you are looking for, you might want to spring for one
> >of those $1000 programs. Charge the client for the program.
>
> Or Smartdraw - which will do the job for only $49 US. Besides, it comes
> with a crime-scene library which is worth it just for the fun of
> dropping chalk outlines... heh.
>
> <Http://www.smartdraw.com>
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David and/or Jackie Laderoute
wrote:
>Before shelling out $49 for SmartDraw be advised that it can't make text
>follow a curve, something PSP users always seem to be wanting to do,
>considering how often they ask about it on this NG. <g> Xara Webster is a
>drawing program that _will_ make text follow a curve, and it costs the same
>$49 as SmartDraw. SmartDraw seems like a good enough drawing program, but
>I wouldn't buy a drawing program that doesn't do curved text (unless I
>needed that crime scene library).
I own Webster, too - and it's great. The main difference is in the
primary purpose of each program. Smartdraw is designed for technical
drawing - floorplans, flowcharts, wiring diagrams, etc. It is also
designed to draw _to scale_, something that Webster isn't designed for.
It's like the difference between AutoCad and Illustrator - they're both
vector format programs, but with a much different thrust.
So, it depends on your need - if you need exact scale and the ability to
make your own library of reusable objects, get Smartdraw. If you want
true colour, great gradients and text that follows a curve, get Webster.
If you're a shareware junkie like me, get both <g>. In my case,
actually, I tend to use Smartdraw for work - flow charts, floor plans
and diagrams don't need to be fancy, they need to be accurate and clear.
Webster is just for fun - although I have been lusting after CorelXara 2
<g>.
Both programs offer a trial (I'm spoiled - I can't abide the thought of
buying without trying these days), so it's easy enough to check out
which one will meet your needs.
Jackie