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Tom Hwy101

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Feb 11, 2002, 12:45:33 AM2/11/02
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Is ThumbsPlus still the Premier Graphics Cataloger?

Looking to get something, just not sure what...

Thanks

diana

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Feb 11, 2002, 9:15:35 AM2/11/02
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"Tom Hwy101" <Hwy...@Accessbee.com> wrote

> Is ThumbsPlus still the Premier Graphics Cataloger?
>
> Looking to get something, just not sure what...

In my opinion it is! I'm using version 4.5 and testing beta 5 and it just
keeps getting better.

Diana
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Sally Beacham

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Feb 11, 2002, 9:07:36 AM2/11/02
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"Tom Hwy101" <Hwy...@Accessbee.com> wrote in message
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> Is ThumbsPlus still the Premier Graphics Cataloger?
>
> Looking to get something, just not sure what...
>
> Thanks
>

If you have PSP 7.04 Anniversary Edition, why not try Media Center Plus?
(And if you don't have it, I'd highly recommend it!)


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Uni

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Feb 11, 2002, 12:46:28 PM2/11/02
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Tom Hwy101 wrote:
>
> Is ThumbsPlus still the Premier Graphics Cataloger?
>
> Looking to get something, just not sure what...

I highly recommend it :)

Uni

>
> Thanks

Roy Petersen

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Feb 11, 2002, 3:41:04 PM2/11/02
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:07:36 -0500, "Sally Beacham" <p...@tension.you>
wrote:

>
>"Tom Hwy101" <Hwy...@Accessbee.com> wrote in message
>news:3C675A7D...@Accessbee.com...
>> Is ThumbsPlus still the Premier Graphics Cataloger?
>>
>> Looking to get something, just not sure what...
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>
>If you have PSP 7.04 Anniversary Edition, why not try Media Center Plus?
>(And if you don't have it, I'd highly recommend it!)

It was my understanding that this wouldn't catalog PSP images...or has
that changed? This was quite a while ago...of course, my memory isn't
perfect either...

jh

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Feb 12, 2002, 7:57:53 AM2/12/02
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Compupic Pro 6.1 in my opinion has surpassed Acdsee & Thumbsplus in fact I
think Acdsee has gone Retro.
Tom Hwy101 wrote in message <3C675A7D...@Accessbee.com>...

Ronald Vick

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Feb 12, 2002, 1:30:38 PM2/12/02
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Tom Hwy101 <Hwy...@Accessbee.com> wrote in message news:<3C675A7D...@Accessbee.com>...
> Is ThumbsPlus still the Premier Graphics Cataloger?
>
> Looking to get something, just not sure what...
>
> Thanks

Here's one that's free, fast and does everything I want a viewer to do!

http://www.irfanview.com/english.htm

Ron

Ember

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Feb 12, 2002, 5:42:09 PM2/12/02
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:57:53 -0000, "jh"
<jeremy...@baesystems.com> wrote:

>Compupic Pro 6.1 in my opinion has surpassed Acdsee & Thumbsplus in fact I
>think Acdsee has gone Retro.
>Tom Hwy101 wrote in message <3C675A7D...@Accessbee.com>...

As a Compupic pro user I agree with you 100% jh. But I hesitated in
recommending it to the original poster for one reason only: It doesn't
support the .psp file format. I work around that snag and I'm sure
they will add .psp as they support everything else. Its other
advantages outweigh.

I use it as my sole file manager. The proggy has so many features and
conveniences overall, such as different file types having different
coloured icons in the file plane. I use its sharpening tool over the
PSP tool as it's easy to quickly check results of various settings.
There is Advanced Batch Conversions will handle a zillion things.
Overall the program is very fast.

Others can check out a review (and many other reviews) at:

http://www.designer-info.com/Writing/compupic_pro_6.htm

Or the Photodex website at: http://www.photodex.com/

Ember

Kris Zaklika

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Feb 12, 2002, 6:35:24 PM2/12/02
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Ember wrote:
>
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:57:53 -0000, "jh"
> <jeremy...@baesystems.com> wrote:
>
> >Compupic Pro 6.1 in my opinion has surpassed Acdsee & Thumbsplus in fact I
> >think Acdsee has gone Retro.
> >Tom Hwy101 wrote in message <3C675A7D...@Accessbee.com>...
>
> As a Compupic pro user I agree with you 100% jh. But I hesitated in
> recommending it to the original poster for one reason only: It doesn't
> support the .psp file format. I work around that snag and I'm sure
> they will add .psp as they support everything else. Its other
> advantages outweigh.

Try and be more sure by writing to the company and
telling them the PSP file format can be found here:
http://www.jasc.com/specs/psp.asp

> I use it as my sole file manager. The proggy has so many features and
> conveniences overall, such as different file types having different
> coloured icons in the file plane. I use its sharpening tool over the
> PSP tool as it's easy to quickly check results of various settings.

Obviously you don't like unsharp mask and its three
parameters though there is proofing in the filter so
you can quickly check the effects of sharpening.
However, here's an idea for you. Duplicate the layer,
Effects > Sharpen > Sharpen More, slide the opacity
slider to modify the amount of sharpening. That's
pretty quick and simple.

> There is Advanced Batch Conversions will handle a zillion things.
> Overall the program is very fast.
>
> Others can check out a review (and many other reviews) at:
>
> http://www.designer-info.com/Writing/compupic_pro_6.htm
>
> Or the Photodex website at: http://www.photodex.com/
>
> Ember

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diana

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Feb 12, 2002, 11:28:05 PM2/12/02
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Roy Peterson wrote:

> It was my understanding that this wouldn't catalog PSP images...or has
> that changed? This was quite a while ago...of course, my memory isn't
> perfect either...

ThumbsPlus uses OLE to process psp, pfr, jsl, and tub files. You must have
PSP installed to create thumbnails for those file types with ThumbsPlus but
it works well.

Jasc Media Center Plus 3.10 supports the psp, pfr, etc file types natively
as you'd expect it to and because it does, it does thumbnailing of those
files faster but it doesn't have near the features that ThumbsPlus does. It
does make prettier web pages straight out of the box but the lack of an
Explorer type view of the the folders and thumbnails like PSP's own browser,
ThumbsPlus and ACDSee use is enough to make me not use it.

Tom Hwy101

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Feb 13, 2002, 2:34:49 AM2/13/02
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Ember wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:57:53 -0000, "jh"
> <jeremy...@baesystems.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Compupic Pro 6.1 in my opinion has surpassed Acdsee & Thumbsplus in fact I

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
How much is this program? Thanks


>>think Acdsee has gone Retro.

==================================================================
>> Please be careful with Quoting - Thanks You

==================================================================

John Blackburn

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Feb 13, 2002, 7:32:50 AM2/13/02
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I have noticed that Folders in my Casio QV3000 that contain PSP Browse
files cannot be deleted.

Paint Shop Pro's "Browse" creates a file called PSPBRWSE.JBF in each
Folder that you examine. It shows thumbnails of all the images, together
with data about each image. It is a very useful feature.

If, in PSP File/Preferences/General/Browser, the "save file to disk" box
is checked (this is the default), the PSPBRWSE.JBF file is saved
permanently in each Folder.

Since the Casio QV3000 is mounted as a drive, it is possible to "Browse"
the camera itself. When "save file to disk" is checked in PSP, a
PSPBRWSE.JBF file is created in any Folder examined on the Casio QV3000.
Which is OK, because that is what you expect to happen.

But when you delete the images in a Casio camera Folder (either
separately or using the camera's "delete Folder" feature), the Folder
itself is not deleted, and it cannot be deleted unless the PSPBRWSE.JBF
files are removed first. And you don't know it hasn't been deleted
because the Casio ignores empty Folders, since there are no images to
display.

Normally, deleting all images in a Casio Folder deletes a hidden "QVS"
file in the Folder, the Folder itself, and also deletes the "Preview"
Folder which holds thumbnails of all the images in the main Folder. If
PSPBRWSE.JBF is present when the deletion is done, all the images,
including the Previews, are deleted, but everything else remains. Your
camera gets cluttered up with old Folders containing Browse files.

I could ramble on at great length about how to fix this problem (the
easiest way is, of course, to reformat the memory card, which most users
do from time to time). But first - is anyone bothered by this? Does it
happen on any other brand of camera?

John Blackburn,
London UK.

Ilya Razmanov

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Feb 13, 2002, 9:11:43 AM2/13/02
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"Ronald Vick" <Ron...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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Another one, that I like more, is: http://www.xnview.com/

The advantages over Irfan (at least the version I tested) are:

1) Tumbnail caching.
2) Reading some weird formats, including FIFs I created years ago ;-)

It's much like ACDSee without all that junk they put in recently, small,
fast and reliable.

And yes, it does read PSP files.

Ilyich.
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Bob Dietz

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Feb 13, 2002, 10:22:14 AM2/13/02
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John Blackburn wrote:

Are you deleting the folders using the camera or are you deleting the folders
using Window's Explorer?
--
Bob Dietz

"It needs fanatical faith to rationalize our cowardice." - Eric Hoffer


Bill Schnakenberg

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Feb 13, 2002, 12:15:46 PM2/13/02
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Tom Hwy101 wrote:

> Ember wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:57:53 -0000, "jh"
> > <jeremy...@baesystems.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Compupic Pro 6.1 in my opinion has surpassed Acdsee & Thumbsplus in fact I
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> How much is this program? Thanks

$100 (US)

>
>
> >>think Acdsee has gone Retro.
>
> ==================================================================
> >> Please be careful with Quoting - Thanks You
>
> ==================================================================
>
> >>
> >
> > As a Compupic pro user I agree with you 100% jh. But I hesitated in
> > recommending it to the original poster for one reason only: It doesn't
> > support the .psp file format. I work around that snag and I'm sure
> > they will add .psp as they support everything else. Its other
> > advantages outweigh.
> >
> > I use it as my sole file manager. The proggy has so many features and
> > conveniences overall, such as different file types having different
> > coloured icons in the file plane. I use its sharpening tool over the
> > PSP tool as it's easy to quickly check results of various settings.
> > There is Advanced Batch Conversions will handle a zillion things.
> > Overall the program is very fast.
> >
> > Others can check out a review (and many other reviews) at:
> >
> > http://www.designer-info.com/Writing/compupic_pro_6.htm
> >
> > Or the Photodex website at: http://www.photodex.com/
> >
> > Ember
> >


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PSP Terrorist - D'Lanok de Caresk chapter - Anti-Troll Unit 235
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Uni

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Feb 13, 2002, 12:28:28 PM2/13/02
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Ilya Razmanov wrote:

> "Ronald Vick" <Ron...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:6c2a30c.02021...@posting.google.com...
> > Tom Hwy101 <Hwy...@Accessbee.com> wrote in message
> news:<3C675A7D...@Accessbee.com>...
> > > Is ThumbsPlus still the Premier Graphics Cataloger?
> > >
> > > Looking to get something, just not sure what...
> > >
> > > Thanks
> >
> > Here's one that's free, fast and does everything I want a viewer to do!
> >
> > http://www.irfanview.com/english.htm
> >
> > Ron
>
> Another one, that I like more, is: http://www.xnview.com/
>
> The advantages over Irfan (at least the version I tested) are:
>
> 1) Tumbnail caching.
> 2) Reading some weird formats, including FIFs I created years ago ;-)
>
> It's much like ACDSee without all that junk they put in recently, small,
> fast and reliable.

Works well, Ilyich! Thank you.

Uni

Disgusted

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Feb 13, 2002, 12:54:56 PM2/13/02
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I have used "Thumbs" since WfW 3.11 and Thumbsplus16 . . I love it.

I installed PSP yesterday. The "monitor gamma" seems more enhanced than
"Thumbs", however I have a lot to learn about PSP. Too bad all programs
don't have "actors" to assist us.


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Disgusted

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Feb 13, 2002, 12:58:57 PM2/13/02
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Thumbsplus is $79.95 + $5.00 s&h; http://www.cerious.com/

"Tom Hwy101" <Hwy...@Accessbee.com> wrote in message
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Kris Zaklika

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Feb 13, 2002, 1:03:49 PM2/13/02
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Disgusted wrote:
>
> I have used "Thumbs" since WfW 3.11 and Thumbsplus16 . . I love it.
>
> I installed PSP yesterday. The "monitor gamma" seems more enhanced than
> "Thumbs", however I have a lot to learn about PSP. Too bad all programs
> don't have "actors" to assist us.

PSP should not change your monitor gamma at all. (I've
no idea what ThumbsPlus does.) In PSP go to File >
Preferences > Monitor Gamma and make sure everything
reads 1.00 then leave it like that in perpetuity.
(This changes gamma only for things viewed in PSP and
you don't want images in PSP to look different than
in all other applications, hence my advice.)

> "Tom Hwy101" <Hwy...@Accessbee.com> wrote in message
> news:3C675A7D...@Accessbee.com...
> > Is ThumbsPlus still the Premier Graphics Cataloger?
> >
> > Looking to get something, just not sure what...
> >
> > Thanks
> >

--

Trev

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Feb 13, 2002, 6:42:27 PM2/13/02
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"Bob Dietz" <rbdiet...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I think he is delating the images as he can not delate the foldrer untill he
has removed the browser file.
Now what I do is down load with the casio photo loader, Then browes those
imageLib files. Which are now on my hard drive


Ronald Vick

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Feb 13, 2002, 6:47:43 PM2/13/02
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:32:50 +0000, John Blackburn
<jo...@dircon.co.uk> wrote:

>I have noticed that Folders in my Casio QV3000 that contain PSP Browse
>files cannot be deleted.
>
>Paint Shop Pro's "Browse" creates a file called PSPBRWSE.JBF in each
>Folder that you examine. It shows thumbnails of all the images, together
>with data about each image. It is a very useful feature.
>
>If, in PSP File/Preferences/General/Browser, the "save file to disk" box
>is checked (this is the default), the PSPBRWSE.JBF file is saved
>permanently in each Folder.

Looks like the cure is to turn the option off. Let PSP re-create the
thumbs each time and not write into the camera memory. That's what I
do.

Ron

Ember

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Feb 13, 2002, 9:52:43 PM2/13/02
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:35:24 -0600, Kris Zaklika <kzak...@jasc.com>
wrote:

>Ember wrote:
>>....

>
>Obviously you don't like unsharp mask and its three
>parameters though there is proofing in the filter so
>you can quickly check the effects of sharpening.
>However, here's an idea for you. Duplicate the layer,
>Effects > Sharpen > Sharpen More, slide the opacity
>slider to modify the amount of sharpening. That's
>pretty quick and simple.
>

I'm not a fan of the Unsharp Mask although I keep trying it. I find
that I usually end up with Radius around 2 and Clipping around 10. The
main variable is strength. But I don't feel all the fiddling there is
worth it for routine "brightening up" of the image. But the brute
force "Sharpen" doesn't have enough control.

Your suggested alternate sharpening method above works well. A good
concept -- apply massive sharpening on a duplicate layer and then
dilute the effect with the Opacity slider. This way one can easily and
gradually adjust the sharpness and have a full-screen preview of the
result.

For anyone without CompuPic this 2-layer method makes sense. But for
sharpening I'll sick with Cpic for the time being. Up on
alt.binaries.comp.graphics I have posted this image:
Restaurant-Cpic.jpg

On Restaurant-Cpic.jpg I've taken a screen capture (with PSP) so
others can see the screen I use there for sharpening and other things.
In this shot sharpening is set at 4% (second row from very bottom).
The preview screen is quite large and updates quickly. Or I can hit
okay and have the main image altered, and it's fast too (Ctrl-Z to
undo). To my way of thinking the 0.1% sharpening steps can find the
optimum level very quickly and that is more useful to me than the
3-adjustment Unsharp Mask where I tend to jump about in larger steps
(and the preview window is small).

But all those other picture factors on the screen shot can be adjusted
at the same time. The x at the right resets individual elements, the
reset at the bottom resets everything. It's an excellent way to
preview an image and quickly determine the problem area to see if it's
fixable. The fix can be done right there, or, if it's a real problem
(typically in contrast adjustment where PSP has the strong ACE tool) I
can open PSP and fix it there.

Compupic or Compupic pro (they both have the same screen) won't
replace PSP but it's a good partner.

Ember

Kris Zaklika

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Feb 13, 2002, 11:51:30 PM2/13/02
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Ember wrote:

[snip]

> Compupic or Compupic pro (they both have the same screen) won't
> replace PSP but it's a good partner.

Obviously, you should use what works best for you. I was
simply pointing out how to get more control over sharpening
in PSP. Curiously, most people don't seem to think of the
trick I mentioned so maybe it is somehow unobvious.

Ilya Razmanov

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Feb 14, 2002, 7:16:10 AM2/14/02
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"Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message news:3C6AA4A1...@usa.net...

>
>
> Ilya Razmanov wrote:
>
> > Another one, that I like more, is: http://www.xnview.com/
> >
> > The advantages over Irfan (at least the version I tested) are:
> >
> > 1) Tumbnail caching.
> > 2) Reading some weird formats, including FIFs I created years ago ;-)
> >
> > It's much like ACDSee without all that junk they put in recently, small,
> > fast and reliable.
>
> Works well, Ilyich! Thank you.
>
> Uni
>

You're always welcome but you should thank XnView developer, not me. I have
nothing to do with it (at least until it start to support *my* plugins <g>).
I'm merely recommending this small, useful and quite non-obtrusive free
application instead of bloated ACDSee ;-) I'd call it "ACDSee off steroids",
more in a spirit of Olympic Games ;-)))

You know, when I find something really good and free, it makes me think
that, despite all those things happening on a regular basis, this world is
not such a hopeless place after all...

Ilyich.
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http://photoshop.msk.ru/ - Photoshop plug-in filters

"How did I get into this mess? I really don't know how. We
seem to be made to suffer. It's our lot in life." - C3PO, Star Wars
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Roy Petersen

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Feb 14, 2002, 7:47:27 AM2/14/02
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 04:28:05 GMT, "diana" <see-a...@signature.com>
wrote:

>Roy Peterson wrote:
>
>> It was my understanding that this wouldn't catalog PSP images...or has
>> that changed? This was quite a while ago...of course, my memory isn't
>> perfect either...
>
>ThumbsPlus uses OLE to process psp, pfr, jsl, and tub files. You must have
>PSP installed to create thumbnails for those file types with ThumbsPlus but
>it works well.

Not only have PSP installed, but when I bought this program, it
required 'teaching' it about PSP as an image type (simple process). It
didn't automatically recognize the format. This may have changed since
I installed mine.

>Jasc Media Center Plus 3.10 supports the psp, pfr, etc file types natively
>as you'd expect it to and because it does, it does thumbnailing of those
>files faster but it doesn't have near the features that ThumbsPlus does.

When I first heard of Media Center, it didn't support PSP files...I
suppose Jasc acquired the program from someone? Otherwise it seemed
odd to me that it wouldn't 'see' PSP's native format. Or perhaps they
felt that the PSP browser filled the need? Who knows...as Ron pointed
out, it does so now.
Thanks.

Uni

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Feb 14, 2002, 8:32:38 AM2/14/02
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Ilya Razmanov wrote:
>
> "Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message news:3C6AA4A1...@usa.net...
> >
> >
> > Ilya Razmanov wrote:
> >
> > > Another one, that I like more, is: http://www.xnview.com/
> > >
> > > The advantages over Irfan (at least the version I tested) are:
> > >
> > > 1) Tumbnail caching.
> > > 2) Reading some weird formats, including FIFs I created years ago ;-)
> > >
> > > It's much like ACDSee without all that junk they put in recently, small,
> > > fast and reliable.
> >
> > Works well, Ilyich! Thank you.
> >
> > Uni
> >
>
> You're always welcome but you should thank XnView developer, not me. I have
> nothing to do with it (at least until it start to support *my* plugins <g>).
> I'm merely recommending this small, useful and quite non-obtrusive free
> application instead of bloated ACDSee ;-) I'd call it "ACDSee off steroids",
> more in a spirit of Olympic Games ;-)))
>
> You know, when I find something really good and free, it makes me think
> that, despite all those things happening on a regular basis, this world is
> not such a hopeless place after all...

I will thank the developers via e-mail :) I too have developed DOS and
Windows based software for use at where I work. It just gives me a warm
and fuzzy feeling inside watching people use it :)

I must admit though, I was a little scared at first to download any of
the software from that web site. It did look a little scary at first :)

Thanks, again.

Uni

diana

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Feb 14, 2002, 1:57:56 PM2/14/02
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"Roy Petersen" <port...@hotmail.com> wrote

> Not only have PSP installed, but when I bought this program, it
> required 'teaching' it about PSP as an image type (simple process). It
> didn't automatically recognize the format. This may have changed since
> I installed mine.

The same process for "teaching" ThumbsPlus exists today, telling TP what
type of image it is and to use OLE to thumbnail or view the images.

> When I first heard of Media Center, it didn't support PSP files...I
> suppose Jasc acquired the program from someone? Otherwise it seemed
> odd to me that it wouldn't 'see' PSP's native format.

I thought Jasc created it but perhaps the version(s) you tried were written
before the existence of the psp file type. I'm just guessing here...

Diana


John Blackburn

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Feb 14, 2002, 3:42:43 PM2/14/02
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Ronald Vick wrote:
>
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:32:50 +0000, John Blackburn
> >I have noticed that Folders in my Casio QV3000 that contain PSP Browse
> >files cannot be deleted.
> >If, in PSP File/Preferences/General/Browser, the "save file to disk" box
> >is checked (this is the default), the PSPBRWSE.JBF file is saved
> >permanently in each Folder.
>
> Looks like the cure is to turn the option off. Let PSP re-create the
> thumbs each time and not write into the camera memory. That's what I
> do.
> Ron
********************************************
I agree - as far as the camera files are concerned. But users with slow
PCs find that it takes a very long time to write a Browse file in a Hard
Disk folder, especially if they have a very large number of files in it.
These users might prefer the option left ON.

My own super-fast PC (900 MHz - it went obsolete while I was unpacking
it last year) is OK at writing JBF files "on the fly", except for one
Folder that has a huge number of images in it, as that seems to take
ages.

The problem of deleting empty Folders in the camera still remains. You
can do it with Windows Explorer, but you get a frightening error
message: "Folder contains a System file. The software may never work
again if you delete it. Continue Y/N?" - something like that.

The reason is that Casio have put a "secret" file in every folder,
xxxx.QVS, with its RHS attributes set. "RHS" means Read-only, Hidden,
System. Windows Explorer will delete it for you but needs to be SURE
that you know what you are doing.

I have tested this deletion procedure and it works reliably, when
Windows Explorer is communicating directly with the Casio via the USB,
using the drivers that Casio supplies. If your memory card is in a Card
Reader, then I have no idea if you can delete it reliably - it depends
on the card reader software, and not all them work perfectly.

Since the Casio QV3000 is an excellent Card Reader, I cannot see why
anyone would want to buy one.

You cannot assume that all DOS and Windows utilities work on a
USB-connected driver in the same way that they work on a Hard or Floppy
Disk. For example, I have an old utility called DELBAK.EXE that globally
finds and deletes all .BAK files in all Folders on a disk. I adapted it
(long ago when PSP3 was young) as DELJBF.EXE, to delete all PSP Browse
files. Both these programs work correctly on a Windows 98 machine, but
only delete .BAK and .JBF files in the currently selected Folder in a
USB-connected Casio QV3000 camera. It must use some "low-level" feature
of DOS (INT 25 and 26 ring a faint bell), but I have lost the C source
and I have no idea what the problem is.

Browsing Casio camera Folders can be slow, since the entire image has to
be transferred to the PC. It is better to Browse the "PREVIEW" Folders,
which contain a tiny version of the same image, typically 10 Kbytes in
size. These Preview images are very handy for Web page thumbnails. They
are also transferred to the PC when downloading the main images using
Photoloader.

BEWARE - Preview files have the same filename as the main image. I have
noticed, in another list, that users have rejected Casio cameras because
of the terrible "jaggies", and in some cases I think the users have
accidentally downloaded the Preview image. Casio users know very well
that their cameras don't suffer from terrible jaggies.

SUGGESTION for JASC:


If, in PSP File/Preferences/General/Browser, the "save file to disk" box

had an option to limit the "save to disk" to specific named drives, the
problem would be solved.

In my case, I would select Drive C: only. Then PSP would only write JBF
file to folders on Drive C, but NOT on D or E (my CD and DVD drives -
I'm sure that Jasc have fixed any problem that might occur if I tried to
do this, but I've never checked), and certainly not F: which is the
camera.

John Blackburn,
London UK.

Kris Zaklika

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Feb 14, 2002, 4:00:39 PM2/14/02
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John Blackburn wrote:
>
> Ronald Vick wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:32:50 +0000, John Blackburn
> > >I have noticed that Folders in my Casio QV3000 that contain PSP Browse
> > >files cannot be deleted.
> > >If, in PSP File/Preferences/General/Browser, the "save file to disk" box
> > >is checked (this is the default), the PSPBRWSE.JBF file is saved
> > >permanently in each Folder.
> >
> > Looks like the cure is to turn the option off. Let PSP re-create the
> > thumbs each time and not write into the camera memory. That's what I
> > do.
> > Ron
> ********************************************
> I agree - as far as the camera files are concerned. But users with slow
> PCs find that it takes a very long time to write a Browse file in a Hard
> Disk folder, especially if they have a very large number of files in it.
> These users might prefer the option left ON.
>
> My own super-fast PC (900 MHz - it went obsolete while I was unpacking
> it last year) is OK at writing JBF files "on the fly", except for one
> Folder that has a huge number of images in it, as that seems to take
> ages.

It's not unexpected that calculating many thumbnails takes
more time than calculating few thumbnails.

Noted

> In my case, I would select Drive C: only. Then PSP would only write JBF
> file to folders on Drive C, but NOT on D or E (my CD and DVD drives -
> I'm sure that Jasc have fixed any problem that might occur if I tried to
> do this, but I've never checked), and certainly not F: which is the
> camera.

The .jbf files are written to the PSP folder for drives
(like CD-ROM) that cannot be written to. If is is possible
to set the read-only attribute for the camera card then
the .jbf files would probably be put in the PSP folder as
well. (That's an untested guess.)
>
> John Blackburn,
> London UK.

John Blackburn

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Feb 16, 2002, 6:20:52 AM2/16/02
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> John Blackburn wrote:
> > SUGGESTION for JASC:
> > If, in PSP File/Preferences/General/Browser, the "save file to disk" box
> > had an option to limit the "save to disk" to specific named drives, the
> > problem would be solved.
> > In my case, I would select Drive C: only. Then PSP would only write JBF
> > file to folders on Drive C, but NOT on D or E (my CD and DVD drives -
> > I'm sure that Jasc have fixed any problem that might occur if I tried to
> > do this, but I've never checked), and certainly not F: which is the
> > camera.
>
Kris Zaklika wrote:
> Noted...
and added:

> The .jbf files are written to the PSP folder for drives
> (like CD-ROM) that cannot be written to. If is is possible
> to set the read-only attribute for the camera card then
> the .jbf files would probably be put in the PSP folder as
> well. (That's an untested guess.)
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Kris Zaklika Jasc Software, Inc.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

JB:
The situation regarding the Read-only attribute of folders and files in
the Casio QV3000 is:

All folders in the camera have the D and A attributes set (D means
Directory and A means Archive). In DOS/Windows, only the D attribute is
set (the A attribute can be set for a Directory but it has no obvious
function).

The camera memory card cannot be set to Read-only. Compact Flash cards
don't have a hardware "write-protect" feature (Smartmedia has this; it
is a self-adhesive label, which is hard to use in a hurry).

The Casio camera has an "image protect" feature which allow protection
of images, either individually, or by folder, or of all images in the
camera.

When this is used, the selected images have their Read-only attributes
set. PSP can of course still write Browse files to the camera.

All folders can have the R (Read-only) attribute set, including DCIM,
the "main" folder, but this makes no difference; folders can still be
deleted by the camera.

End of experiment. I now know all I wish to about the Casio OS.

I hope Jasc look kindly on my suggestion. I've used Paint Shop Pro for
years, right back to V3.11 and before. Now I own a digital camera (well
- several, actually), it's got serious and I tried PSP7.04. As Victor K.
would have said, I liked the program so much, I bought a copy.

John Blackburn,
London UK.

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