Paint Shop Pro 7.0 evalulation crack
DPawlak
Thomas Aldrich <T....@att.net> wrote in message
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> Hoefully you won't get here from any of us,suppose if you work at Mc
> D's apx 30 hrs you can earn a version,or is that asking too much
>
> curious george wrote:
> >
> > Is there a crack for psp7 trial yet?
curious george
Jack Walder
Take a hike you moron.
"curious george" <cur...@george.org> wrote in message
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Thomas Aldrich
D's apx 30 hrs you can earn a version,or is that asking too much
Verne Cotton
idiot. Do you work for free? I don't.
Grow up.
Cookie...~Ü~
Yep, it can be found at [ http://www.fbi.gov/ ] - I'm sure they'll be happy
to help you out.
HAND
sinenomine
>
>Is there a crack for psp7 trial yet?
>
>
go ahead and get the full version dude
Doug Abel
http://mainquad.com/flash/prev/crack.html
But it doesn't appear to be for the full version.
"curious george" <cur...@george.org> wrote in message
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Ronald Vick
>In article <49TA5.4112$46.3...@typhoon.san.rr.com>, cur...@george.org says...
>>
>>Is there a crack for psp7 trial yet?
>>
>>
>
>
>go ahead and get the full version dude
>
You're still telling lies, Bunker. It's a stripped down version with
most item missing.
Twit!
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Wombat
<ronal...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>On 29 Sep 2000 14:15:15 GMT, y...@here.com (sinenomine) wrote:
>>go ahead and get the full version dude
>>
>
>You're still telling lies, Bunker. It's a stripped down version with
>most item missing.
What items are missing?
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> On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:11:34 -0400, Ronald Vick
> <ronal...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >On 29 Sep 2000 14:15:15 GMT, y...@here.com (sinenomine) wrote:
>
> >>go ahead and get the full version dude
> >>
> >
> >
Bonebag
We did !
"curious george" <cur...@george.org> wrote in message
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Ronald Vick
<will...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>Wombat wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:11:34 -0400, Ronald Vick
>> <ronal...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On 29 Sep 2000 14:15:15 GMT, y...@here.com (sinenomine) wrote:
>>
>> >>go ahead and get the full version dude
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >You're still telling lies, Bunker. It's a stripped down version with
>> >most item missing.
>>
>> What items are missing?
>
>The integrity, honesty, and dignity tools.
>
Yes, those too, but Bunker is morally bankrupt and has been for many
years.
As to what's missing, well, the disk has about 400 megs or so. That
pirate Fosi offers 30. You figure it out.
Matt
"Bill Schnakenberg" <will...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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> Wombat wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:11:34 -0400, Ronald Vick
> > <ronal...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On 29 Sep 2000 14:15:15 GMT, y...@here.com (sinenomine) wrote:
> >
> > >>go ahead and get the full version dude
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >You're still telling lies, Bunker. It's a stripped down version with
> > >most item missing.
> >
> > What items are missing?
>
> The integrity, honesty, and dignity tools.
Also missing is the Scratch remover tool cause it's cracked software. :)
Jan Strømmen
You and your company must stop calling people "MORON".
Jan
Jack Walder <jwa...@home.com> skrev i
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Jan Strømmen
Jan
Jack Walder <jwa...@home.com> skrev i
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Ronald Vick
<jast...@online.no> wrote:
>For how long have you been working for Jasc Mr. Curious George.
>You and your company must stop calling people "MORON".
>Jan
Jan, if you think this is a newsgroup that applauds the actions of
sneak thieves and petty crooks, you are sadly mis-informed. Such
people deserve to be called 'Morons', at the very least
Jan Strømmen
I hope i never fall fown to the bottom like you.....
The only person who is acting wrong her is you.
You can't accuse awerybody for beeng dishonest.
I was hoping that I was dealing with a serious company.
But I belive that the rest of the Jasc people is more serious then you are.
Jan
Ronald Vick <ronal...@mindspring.com> skrev i
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Jack Walder
Jasc (although I suspect they're a pretty good outfit to work for). Anyone
who posts a request for a crack in a newsgroup that has legit users, beta
testers who helped shape the program, and tech support people from the
company that sells said program is, in my not so humble opinion, a moron. I
stand by that.
Have a nice day.
Moron.
Wombat
<ronal...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>As to what's missing, well, the disk has about 400 megs or so. That
>pirate Fosi offers 30. You figure it out.
As I recall, when I bought PSP 6, it came on a disk of similar
proportions. Once installed, it only occupied something like 25 megs
on my hard drive, give or take. This seems to be true of most software
that comes on disk; much of the space is taken up by splash images,
animations, etc. which have nothing to do with the actual program.
My question is, what items are missing from this "Fosi" character's
illegal version of PSP 7? Is it really crippled, or is what's missing
not essential to the functionality of the program?
David and/or Jackie Laderoute
wrote:
>Ronald Vick
>I hope i never fall fown to the bottom like you.....
Ron is far from the bottom.
>The only person who is acting wrong her is you.
Nope - the only person acting wrongly here is the person who was asking
for cracked software.
>You can't accuse awerybody for beeng dishonest.
Sorry, but when someone asks for help in stealing a product, Ron can be
forgiven for thinking they are dishonest.
>I was hoping that I was dealing with a serious company.
You are. But I am having difficulty following your reasoning here -
somehow, protecting their copyrights would make a company less than
serious? Tell that to Microsoft, Adobe, Corel...
>But I belive that the rest of the Jasc people is more serious then you are.
Jan - this newsgroup is for users of Paint Shop Pro. Ron does not work
for Jasc any more than the rest of us. But we (as a newsgroup) have
chosen not to tolerate thieves and pirates. We don't do cracks, we
don't do warez. If you don't like that, then find yourself a group that
is more suited to dishonest dealings.
We paid for our programs; we support the company that makes the software
we love; and we don't want thieves and pirates messing it up for us.
Simple, really.
Jackie
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that you have no brain? Go somewhere else. Look for cracks. Smoke some
crack. Leave us alone, Strommen.
Jan Strømmen <jast...@online.no> wrote in message
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Ronald Vick
<jast...@online.no> wrote:
>Ronald Vick
>I hope i never fall fown to the bottom like you.....
So... people that promote the honest approach are at the bottom? That
certainly makes a statement about your character.
>The only person who is acting wrong her is you.
Check again. The majority of the users here are honest people. If
you cannot stand that thought, then I suggest you're in the wrong
area.
>You can't accuse awerybody for beeng dishonest.
Asking for cracks, warez, and other ways to steal a program is most
certainly dishonest. It's the very same thing as shoplifting.
>I was hoping that I was dealing with a serious company.
Write to JASC and tell them that you're stealing their program and the
money they'd make from it. See what their legal department has to
say, and then tell me they're not serious.
>But I belive that the rest of the Jasc people is more serious then you are.
Kid, you're in for a very rude awakening, if you're not already in
jail.
Bill Schnakenberg
I am going to rise to the top here and assume that since Jan is from Norway and may
not have command of the English language, he/she might have missed or misunderstood
the original message where "Curious" was asking one of us to supple him with a
pirated version of PSP.
"Jan, most of us here take a dim view of people trying to steal any program without
paying for it or trying to circumvent time limits within the evaluation programs.
Furthermore, someone asking for a pirated version or a crack for PSP in this
newsgroup is akin to someone walking into a Harley Owner's Group (H.O.G.) meeting
and asking where they can steal a Harley-Davidson motocycle. I would guess that they
would get more than a tongue-lashing."
Phoebe
BTW, most of these servers keep a log of the ISP numbers of downloaders. If
anyone is thinking about downloading the Pirate version, then they might want to
consider that when the law finds the server, they can also locate everyone who
thought stealing $99 worth of softwear was worth going to jail or paying a huge
fine.
Phoebe
Thy sin's not accidental, but a trade - Shakespeare (Measure for Measure)
Me
wrote:
>I hope JASC is reporting these theives to the FBI, as soon as they pop up here.
>
>BTW, most of these servers keep a log of the ISP numbers of downloaders. If
>anyone is thinking about downloading the Pirate version, then they might want to
>consider that when the law finds the server, they can also locate everyone who
>thought stealing $99 worth of softwear was worth going to jail or paying a huge
>fine.
>
>
Only if they're in the United States and even then I doubt it would
stick. The FBI has no jurisdiction anywhere else and very few of these
servers are located there. Don't misunderstand, I'm not advocating
stealing software, just trying to point out that the internet is:
1.) Global and...
2.) Virtually unpoliceable
Cookie...~Ü~
| Ronald Vick
| I hope i never fall fown to the bottom like you.....
| The only person who is acting wrong her is you.
Funny you should say that... you're the one acting like a Politician... and
BTW learn how to spell, an education would probably go a long way to
improving your intelligence level (Currently at a negative value).
| You can't accuse awerybody for beeng dishonest.
That's right noone has accused "Everybody" for being dishonest... just
*YOU*.
| I was hoping that I was dealing with a serious company.
You are... I suggest you write them a letter in your own handwriting,
witnessed by several *CREDIBLE* witnesses outlining what you have done & how
you feel you are justified in *STEALING* their property & then personally
deliver said letter to JASC's legal team. I'm sure they'll be happy to
accomodate you.
| But I belive that the rest of the Jasc people is more serious then you
are.
You have already clearly indicated your beliefs, MORON !!!
HAND
Cookie
Bonebag
"Bill Schnakenberg" <will...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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> Wombat wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:11:34 -0400, Ronald Vick
> > <ronal...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On 29 Sep 2000 14:15:15 GMT, y...@here.com (sinenomine) wrote:
> >
> > >>go ahead and get the full version dude
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >You're still telling lies, Bunker. It's a stripped down version with
> > >most item missing.
> >
> > What items are missing?
>
> The integrity, honesty, and dignity tools.
>
> > --
> > w o m b a t
>
>
>
>
Stephan Ahonen
> stick.
You mean the U.S. hasn't taken over the world yet?
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Stephan Ahonen
> the world and we're going to start with the US.
Okay, just as long as I don't have to learn French.
No wonder our new youth pastor at church is Canadian!
Matt
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> On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:52:59 -0500, "Stephan Ahonen"
> <ansa...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >> Oh no, you've got it all wrong. It's Canada that intends to take over
> >> the world and we're going to start with the US.
> >
> >Okay, just as long as I don't have to learn French.
> >
> >
>
> "hoose" and "aboot". You'll also have to start spelling "-or" as
> "-our" and of course it will in future be pronounced "zed", not "zee",
> but that goes without saying.
hehe
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nuff said! eh!
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Diz
Conquer us, little buddy! Heheheheehe.
Sally
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Diz
rate, 'bout five hours outa do it, and he/she can swipe a whole lotta Happy
Meals on the way out the door, too.
Sally
"Thomas Aldrich" <T....@att.net> wrote in message
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> Hoefully you won't get here from any of us,suppose if you work at Mc
> D's apx 30 hrs you can earn a version,or is that asking too much
Bill Schnakenberg
> really, with the upgrade pricing and the current Northeast unemployment
> rate, 'bout five hours outa do it, and he/she can swipe a whole lotta Happy
> Meals on the way out the door, too.
I've been waiting 5 days for you to comment on this message! I knew you had to
when I first saw it. :-)
> Sally
>
> "Thomas Aldrich" <T....@att.net> wrote in message
> news:39D41245...@att.net...
> > Hoefully you won't get here from any of us,suppose if you work at Mc
> > D's apx 30 hrs you can earn a version,or is that asking too much
> >
> > curious george wrote:
> > >
> > > Is there a crack for psp7 trial yet?
Mike C.
> > > curious george wrote:
> > > > Is there a crack for psp7 trial yet?
I don't have such files on my site. Wink.
I would not have such files on my site. Wink.
I don't have an invisible link on my site that takes you to a
page to download such files. Wink.
Don't go to my site looking for such things. Wink.
:^) ®
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>>> the world and we're going to start with the US.
>>Okay, just as long as I don't have to learn French.
>No, you won't have to learn French. You will have to learn to say
>"hoose" and "aboot". You'll also have to start spelling "-or" as
>"-our" and of course it will in future be pronounced "zed", not "zee",
>but that goes without saying.
And have to say "eh" a lot. No way. Better if we (the USA) drops Agent
Orange all over Canada and all the leaves will fall down and we can
take over and call it the 51st state. Or maybe leave it (no pun
intended) as a protectorate, like Puerto Rico.
Caravela Books
134 Goodburlet Road
Henrietta, NY 14467
http://caravelabooks.com
whoever
Remember something the late, great Trudeau said when he was in office.
Something to the effect that, "living next to the USA is like sleeping
next to an elephant. No matter how good his intentions, he might roll
over and kill you." Makes sense to me.
whoever
Stephan Ahonen
Really, if anyone else had done that, it would have been hailed as a
lighthearted attempt at sending a would-be cracker on a futile search for a
PSP crack.
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sinenomine
all those frames, tubes (yuck!), etc. just the full working program.
however if we use your definition of "full" then what does that make the
downloadable version of PSP from JASC? _besides_ the predictable quips of
"legal, honorable", etc.
have you actually installed the FOSI version or are you just talking outta your
ass again?
and yes all the tools are there and they work.
Oh and to the babe that warned everyone that they may be recording your IP at
download and the FBI is on their way RIGHT NOW!
thanks for the laugh, the sad part is just how clearly ignorant you are when
you just spout off the usual dribble without understanding how the internet
really works as well as the fact that American law does not rule the world.
Ronald Vick
>well Ronnie, the FOSI version is a full one, but you're right it doesn't have
>all those frames, tubes (yuck!), etc. just the full working program.
>however if we use your definition of "full" then what does that make the
>downloadable version of PSP from JASC? _besides_ the predictable quips of
>"legal, honorable", etc.
JASC has already admitted that is an error and are working on it. Is
Fosi? Or does he just want to collect fees from those porn pictures
he advertises? What a respectful guy you advertise for.... a pimp.
Somehow it figures.
>have you actually installed the FOSI version or are you just talking outta your
>ass again?
I've been there and measured the size of the download. I have no need
to download it since I have the legal CD. Fosi has a pirated version
that is zipped and about 29.5 megs. Double compression doesn't really
do any good, but these pirates are usually a few bricks shy of a full
load anyway, aren't they?
>and yes all the tools are there and they work.
And the people that d/l it will be coming here to ask where they can
get all the neato masks, templates, buttons, etc that they've seen.
>
>Oh and to the babe that warned everyone that they may be recording your IP at
>download and the FBI is on their way RIGHT NOW!
>thanks for the laugh, the sad part is just how clearly ignorant you are when
>you just spout off the usual dribble without understanding how the internet
>really works as well as the fact that American law does not rule the world.
Personal honor and honesty isn't measured by the locks you can't
break.
I'd rather have her, ignorance and all, than you as a friend, so it
must not mean as much as you think.
Charles
original posting about my telephone chat with them on this matter.
It is not any kind of 'mistake' or 'accident' that the ESD (electronic software
delivery) version of PSP 7 is 'missing' some extra tubes.frames , tutorials
etc. They had to trim the package down to a size that was practical to
download. Jasc has already explained this to everyone.
Now....both the Jasc download -and- the FOSI download are full working versions
minus the additional tubes and fluff I already mentioned. The FOSI version was
originally the retail Jasc ESD PSP 7 and was purchased and downloaded from Jasc
shortly after the release.
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Diz
silly package, huh Bill?
"Bill Schnakenberg" <will...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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> Diz wrote:
>
> > really, with the upgrade pricing and the current Northeast unemployment
> > rate, 'bout five hours outa do it, and he/she can swipe a whole lotta
Happy
> > Meals on the way out the door, too.
>
> I've been waiting 5 days for you to comment on this message! I knew you
had to
> when I first saw it. :-)
>
> > Sally
> >
> > "Thomas Aldrich" <T....@att.net> wrote in message
> > news:39D41245...@att.net...
> > > Hoefully you won't get here from any of us,suppose if you work at Mc
> > > D's apx 30 hrs you can earn a version,or is that asking too much
> > >
> > > curious george wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Is there a crack for psp7 trial yet?
>
>
>
>
Phoebe
>servers are located there. Don't misunderstand, I'm not advocating
>stealing software, just trying to point out that the internet is:
>
>1.) Global and...
>2.) Virtually unpoliceable
I don't know about it *not* sticking if they're US based. This is basically
Piracy, so I would think that there are several laws (even some international
ones) that would apply. And if it's nebulous, there is probably some nice judge
who wouldn't mind making a name for himself in case law, ala Napster.
Even though the FBI might not be able to do anything right now about non-US
based sites, eventually internet crimes will have to be treated as other crimes
- with investigators in different countries cooperating - helping to track down,
and prosecuating the criminals.
After all, they are already going international in persuit of computer virus
engineers.
Phoebe
Where am I going? And why am I in this HANDBASKET?"
Anonymous
Phoebe
>must not mean as much as you think.
>Jaggiemeister Ron- PSP Terrorist - D'Lanok de Caresk chapter, Executive Officer.
>Great Beginner info at http://www.jasc-canada-psp-edu.com
>FAQs at http://www.alphageo.com/psp/faq.html
>Very FAQ at http://members.aol.com/psptopten/topten.html
>My tips at http://hometown.aol.com/ronaldlvick/index.html
My thanks to you for the gallant defense. :o)
Phoebe
>Convention and/or the Berne Convention. Software piracy is indeed illegal in
>those countries and pirates can be prosecuted.
>
>International copyright: http://www.loc.gov/copyright/fls/fl100.pdf
>
>My bet is that Jasc is smart enough to secure copyrights in other countries
>and not just rely on other countries having treaties with the US to secure
>their copyright overseas.
>Tephra Adularia http://www.sector13.org/~tephra
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>FDDp5a A+ C+ M++ R+ Sf# RLC/CT/AT a c++ e+++ iwf+++ j+ p+ sf#
>To remove the spamblock: X=13
I thought this was the case. Most of my familiarity with copyright is through
belonging to a national writer's organization. Although softwear is a different
medium than the printed word, it is still intellectual property.
An interesting case I heard about a few days ago, had an author losing a
copyright infringement case because she failed to register her own copyright.
The magazine which failed to ask her permission to reprint her work may be
allowed to collect damages from her for the legal fees that they incurred.
Here's the link - http://www.nasw.org/
Oh. this isn't the organization I belong to, but it's something that could
affect every writer out there, and possibly other artists/musicians too.
Tephra Adularia
>I don't know about it *not* sticking if they're US based. This is basically
>Piracy, so I would think that there are several laws (even some international
>ones) that would apply. And if it's nebulous, there is probably some nice
> judge who wouldn't mind making a name for himself in case law, ala Napster.
Copyright is recognized by the countries that signed the Universal Copyright
Convention and/or the Berne Convention. Software piracy is indeed illegal in
those countries and pirates can be prosecuted.
International copyright: http://www.loc.gov/copyright/fls/fl100.pdf
My bet is that Jasc is smart enough to secure copyrights in other countries
and not just rely on other countries having treaties with the US to secure
their copyright overseas.
--
Tephra Adularia
>And as far as ISP's keeping a log of downloads, (you mentioned this in
>a previous posting and I didn't address it), even if that were
>logistically possible it strikes me as a major invasion of privacy, on
>a par with wiretaps. YMMV
Most ISPs do keep logs, mostly to monitor the performance of their servers.
These logs are generally only looked at if there is a problem are have a short
life expectancy (being overwritten or deleted on a regular schedule). Since
it's ALL activity on their servers and not just the activity of one user it is
not 'on a par with wiretaps'. ISPs are partylines, it's on par with picking up
another handset and listening to everyone chattering away.
David and/or Jackie Laderoute
>On Thu, 05 Oct 2000 04:59:30 GMT, tep...@sectorX.org (Tephra Adularia)
>wrote:
>
>>Just Me <m...@nospam.ca> wrote:
>>>And as far as ISP's keeping a log of downloads, (you mentioned this in
>>>a previous posting and I didn't address it), even if that were
>>>logistically possible it strikes me as a major invasion of privacy, on
>>>a par with wiretaps. YMMV
>>
>>Most ISPs do keep logs, mostly to monitor the performance of their servers.
>>These logs are generally only looked at if there is a problem are have a short
>>life expectancy (being overwritten or deleted on a regular schedule). Since
>>it's ALL activity on their servers and not just the activity of one user it is
>>not 'on a par with wiretaps'. ISPs are partylines, it's on par with picking up
>>another handset and listening to everyone chattering away.
>
>might commit a crime strikes me as ideologically not very far removed
>from listening to my telephone conversations just in case I might be
>planning something illegal. Again, just my opinion.
Not really - no different from police obtaining telephone logs when they
are building a case against someone. In that case, as in this, there is
no "listening" - just a log that can be used later to prove that contact
was made. Circumstantial, sure, but can be used to build a body of
evidence and make a case.
Jackie
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Stephan Ahonen
of a couple web sites you visit being looked at by someone to whom you are
just a number in a database who they'll probably never even see passing on
the street in their entire life? It's likely that nobody will actually look
at this information at all, it'll just rot on a hard drive until it gets
deleted in the course of maintainance!
So my ISP knows what sites I visit, so bleeping what? I didn't do anything
illegal. Nobody who knows me will be looking through the database, only to
find that I'm the most insanely boring person in the world. What is there to
care about?
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Ahonen saying:
>So my ISP knows what sites I visit, so bleeping what? I didn't do anything
>illegal. Nobody who knows me will be looking through the database, only to
>find that I'm the most insanely boring person in the world. What is there to
>care about?
>
what happens when your insurance company gets ahold of the information
that you've been visiting alot of medical sites especially ones related
to cancer and you find yourself denied coverage or your rates
escalating?
granted this is somewhat of a hyperbole but the idea is that people are
losing more and more privacy without considering the long term effects.
The "I have nothing to hide. I'm not doing anything illegal" retorts
strike me as being naive because they fail to fully explore the
potential consequences of having one's actions an open book.
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> that you've been visiting alot of medical sites especially ones related
> to cancer and you find yourself denied coverage or your rates
> escalating?
I didn't say it was okay for the ISP to go around giving out your personal
information. I am strongly opposed to that, since for some people outside
the ISP (like the insurance company you mentioned) your information would be
more than just anonymous data. I'm opposed to the giving out of the
information, I'm just not against the simple collection and storage of it
where it would only be actually used when legally necessary, or to improve
customer service at the ISP (such as recommending a usage plan under which
you'd spend less money than you are now).
My point was that your ISP doesn't care what sites you go to, therefore
there's no harm in the collection of usage data that might be useful against
people who have broken the law.