PSP painting, was Re: Mini-Toot - Far-Out L@@KING Picture Frames in PSP!
JBc
meaning the thread got too long for OE to handle.
"Mike" wrote
> JBc wrote:
> > As for Mike's comment that sharpness and
> > fuzziness don't go together: no offense to
> > Mike, but that too is up to you.
> If he has a an object setting by the corner of a
> barn and the object is in focus and the corner
> of the barn is not, then the internal reality of the
> painting is broken.
Again, no criticism, but what I meant is that it is Joe's reality. A
painting has no reality in itself.
> It is just how the world is.
The world has a reality, but our eyes make their own depending on their
quality, our view on life, mood, etcetera.
> If he is trying to draw the world then he has
> to see it as it is...
So you see, I didn't look at Joe's images assuming he is striving for sheer
realism.
> if he does not abide by the
> 'rules' set up in his own painting then the
> illusion of the painting is broken.
> That is a very basic rule of painting.
Naturalist painting, true. But then there's Turner, Bosch, Dali...
> I don't believe he is at the point of his skills where
> he can break such rules and make it work.
We reasoned with different presets, I see now. Personally, I wouldn't strive
for realism with computer graphics - photographs can do that just fine.
Joske
Mike
JBc wrote:
>
> Had too start a new subject because I got the 'line too long' error message,
> meaning the thread got too long for OE to handle.
>
> "Mike" wrote
> > JBc wrote:
>
> > > As for Mike's comment that sharpness and
> > > fuzziness don't go together: no offense to
> > > Mike, but that too is up to you.
>
> > If he has a an object setting by the corner of a
> > barn and the object is in focus and the corner
> > of the barn is not, then the internal reality of the
> > painting is broken.
>
> Again, no criticism, but what I meant is that it is Joe's reality. A
> painting has no reality in itself.
A painting has 'internal' reality. If you violate it too often it
becomes a bad painting.
":^) ®
>
> > If he is trying to draw the world then he has
> > to see it as it is...
>
> So you see, I didn't look at Joe's images assuming he is striving for sheer
> realism.
I understand that ... but if he is trying to capture a version of
reality that is complete within itself; that is ... the painting is
complete within itself, as a version of reality, then the painting
must obey some rules or the painting will be a failure.
Now he can break the rules... after he has mastered them, and still
make the painting work. But I don't think he has mastered the basic
rules of painting yet.
":^) ®
>
> > if he does not abide by the
> > 'rules' set up in his own painting then the
> > illusion of the painting is broken.
>
> > That is a very basic rule of painting.
>
> Naturalist painting, true.
No... all paintings have internal rules set up by each painting. If
the rules of the individual painting are broken then the painting fails.
":^) ®
> But then there's Turner, Bosch, Dali...
Each painting has it's own set of rules... set up in each painting.
":^) ®
>
> > I don't believe he is at the point of his skills where
> > he can break such rules and make it work.
>
> We reasoned with different presets, I see now.
Then we both agree that he broke the rules of his own painting and I
think we agree that it was not working.
Correct?
":^) ®
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Uni
>
> JBc wrote:
> >
> > Had too start a new subject because I got the 'line too long' error message,
> > meaning the thread got too long for OE to handle.
> >
> > "Mike" wrote
> > > JBc wrote:
> >
> > > > As for Mike's comment that sharpness and
> > > > fuzziness don't go together: no offense to
> > > > Mike, but that too is up to you.
> >
> > > If he has a an object setting by the corner of a
> > > barn and the object is in focus and the corner
> > > of the barn is not, then the internal reality of the
> > > painting is broken.
> >
> > Again, no criticism, but what I meant is that it is Joe's reality. A
> > painting has no reality in itself.
>
> A painting has 'internal' reality. If you violate it too often it
> becomes a bad painting.
Only a TRUE Artist would know this!
Uni