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Gene
freelancer with a fulltime job and a wife that hates the phrase "I'm
upgrading Lightwave again.", but I have some questions.
So if one upgrades to LW9 for $495, which is $100 over the normal upgrade
price (LW9 upgrade w/PDF manual), then pays a "special price" for the LW10
upgrade one gets a T-Shirt and some LW10 training.
And if one skips LW9 and upgrades to LW10 this fall the cost is $695 plus
the cost of a T-shirt and plus the task of self training from the manuals
until the LW10 videos hit the Newtek site.
Is that about it?
It seems to hinge on what 'special pricing' means and how free you are to
attend the events and training.
and in this economy - 'special pricing' needs to be clarified to get me
(and my wife) from the comfort zone of current LW to the great unknown of
LW10.
I also wonder what backward compatibility with the current lwo/lws format
exists in LW10.
Ma3rk
If you haven't upgraded to LW9 yet, I think you can definitely justify that for nodal texture feature alone. Save yourself the $100 though and don't get the printed manual. You'll find that searching the PDF file itself much more useful, then simply print selected pages if need be.
Unfortunately, one of the main features I was waiting for but they removed during the beta phase of 9.6 were the new tools for UV work in Modeler. There are free 3rd party tools that let you get around that however, but it is a little extra work. There are a lot of other unsung features & improvements and I'd suggest spending some time looking at William Vaughn's video tutorials on Newteks site as just reading about them won't convey their usefulness.
I'd have to assume that there'll be some compatability from 9.x to LW10 but didn't specifically hear that in the video on VFXCast. Personal note: I wish Newtek would have put that up on their site as a Quicktime file instead as the video quality of all of VFX's Flash content absolutely sucks.
I've only scratched the surface at learning 9.6 so won't be jumping onto the LW10 train for awhile to be honest. Even with the ability to configure the interface, the new workflow will take some time to get used to from what I saw, I'm sure that every 3rd party plug-in will need to be rewritten, even though that development cycle will be quicker, but perhaps a number of them won't be needed depending on what gets incorporated into 10 as is what happened with 9.x.
My 2 cents,
Mark
David McCall
come out,
but so far I've barely touched the new features in LW-6 and I don't look
forward to yet
another learning curve. Hopefully once the ---- hits the fan, they will drop
that $695
back to under $500 and I'll take another look then. Unfortunately I really
need to
learn AutoCAD for my next steep learning curve. I really don't want to
though.
Especially now that we have IES lighting (although I've not gotten it to
work yet).
I need AutoCAD to produce working drawings and schedules that apply to
theater lighting.
I have a program called LD Assistant that comes with imbedded in an OEM copy
of AutoCAD 8.
It does real-time simulation of stage lighting even with a lot of lights so
you can write cues in it.
You can also hook up a lighting console and create your lighting cues in
WYSIWYG mode.
David
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"Ma3rk" <m3dwh...@att.net> wrote in message
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My 2 cents,
Mark
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Ma3rk
I took some courses last year in VectorWorks as that's what's currently being touted with my union (Hollywood Local 728) for Set Lighting pre-viz. Oddly, one of the instructors stated that he prefers AutoCAD! An architech friend lent me an older version of AutoCAD to fiddle with and my eyes rolled back into their sockets. And he told me that each major revision nearly requires completely relearning it. No thanks.
VectorWorks is pretty slick and I was sort of getting the hang of it after a few months. However, the main reason for using it for Previz with their Spotlight module and RenderWorks I found quite lacking. You really needed a 3rd party app to fully manage instrument inventory & schedules, but if you had a set with more than a dozen or so lights, forget about any timely rendering. Plus, the RenderWorks output to my eye was only adequate.
On smaller budgeted films, they wouldn't be springing for pre-viz anyway. On larger shows you'd be doing that during the set design stage anyway, well before anything was constructed. The DP is often going to light it differently in any case. Theatre productions and workflow are completely different of course.
With Lightwave and the LWCAD tools, I could work faster and LW's render quality was vastly superior. I've played with the IES lights as well and the same issue exists as with VectorWorks in that most of the stage and motion picture instrument manufacturers haven't release library's of their products. Nor have I found any tools to edit and create my own for use in LW. Their just text files, but I haven't found a syntax listing. Perhaps I'll make another effort to research that in the near future.
Mark
Redeyes
"Ma3rk" <m3dwh...@att.net> wrote in message
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I REALLY wanted the UV tools as well, but as you say, free tools are
available. Link is here...
http://homepage2.nifty.com/nif-hp/index2_english.htm
Haven't had the chance to watch all the videos for 10, maybe tonight.
--
Bill Carey
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David McCall
"Ma3rk" <m3dwh...@att.net> wrote in message news:X%Hil.11708$4m1....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Hn
> I know I don't exactly represent Newtek's target group as a part time
> freelancer with a fulltime job and a wife that hates the phrase "I'm
> upgrading Lightwave again.", but I have some questions.
> I also wonder what backward compatibility with the current lwo/lws format
> exists in LW10.
Core is backward compatible, and Jim Plant goes over the special pricing
on the NT forum...
http://www.newtek.com/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=94787
Gene
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Thanks, that covers it well. 'priciate' it
Gene
Thanks man. That there is some possibility of UV tools is a
welcomed glimmer. Texturing using nodes is one of those things that are
a love hate thing for me. I love the concept but .... Nodal makes my
brain hurt.
Sounds like the 495 price is the PDF manual price but includes the 99
dollars someone who owns LW9 would pay for their CORE subscription. That
might be worth it - if just to see the GUI LW is going to look like and
work.
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> <font face="MS Sans Serif">Good questions and ones that I can't
> answer. I'm in the same category as you, less the wife.<br>
> <br>
> If you haven't upgraded to LW9 yet, I think you can definitely justify
> that for nodal texture feature alone. Save yourself the $100 though
> and don't get the printed manual. You'll find that searching the
> PDF file itself much more useful, then simply print selected pages if
> need be.<br> <br>
> Unfortunately, one of the main features I was waiting for but they
> removed during the beta phase of 9.6 were the new tools for UV work in
> Modeler. There are free 3rd party tools that let you get around
> that however, but it is a little extra work. There are a lot of
> other unsung features & improvements and I'd suggest spending some
> time looking at William Vaughn's video tutorials on Newteks site as
> just reading about them won't convey their usefulness.<br>
> <br>
> I'd have to assume that there'll be some compatability from 9.x to
> LW10 but didn't specifically hear that in the video on VFXCast.
> Personal note: I wish Newtek would have put that up on their site as a
> Quicktime file instead as the video quality of all of VFX's Flash
> content absolutely sucks.<br>
> <br>
> I've only scratched the surface at learning 9.6 so won't be jumping
> onto the LW10 train for awhile to be honest. Even with the
> ability to configure the interface, the new workflow will take some
> time to get used to from what I saw, I'm sure that every 3rd
> party plug-in will need to be rewritten, even though that development
> cycle will be quicker, but perhaps a number of them won't be needed
> depending on what gets incorporated into 10 as is what happened with
> 9.x. <br> <br>
> My 2 cents,<br>
> <br>
> Mark<br>
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> <pre wrap="">I know I don't exactly represent Newtek's target group
> as a part time
> freelancer with a fulltime job and a wife that hates the phrase "I'm
> upgrading Lightwave again.", but I have some questions.
>
> So if one upgrades to LW9 for $495, which is $100 over the normal
> upgrade price (LW9 upgrade w/PDF manual), then pays a "special price"
> for the LW10 upgrade one gets a T-Shirt and some LW10 training.
>
> And if one skips LW9 and upgrades to LW10 this fall the cost is $695
> plus the cost of a T-shirt and plus the task of self training from the
> manuals until the LW10 videos hit the Newtek site.
>
> Is that about it?
>
> It seems to hinge on what 'special pricing' means and how free you are
> to attend the events and training.
>
> and in this economy - 'special pricing' needs to be clarified to get
> me (and my wife) from the comfort zone of current LW to the great
> unknown of LW10.
>
>
> I also wonder what backward compatibility with the current lwo/lws
> format exists in LW10.
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